[News] John Harbaugh: People Can Scoff, We Will Fight

[Crusader]

Yes, you fans sure do suck.

Yea, but were right!

[Ravenshine]

Yea, but were right!

I strongly disagree. I think there is too much extreme blame being placed on the team. They are hardly playing their best, but to say 'they suck' when all 6 games have been within a single score and down to the wire is not a sucking team. It's a team playing good but not good enough. But at least they are fighting. Fans, many are simply giving up in the face of adversity, which is not what this team is about. So that's why I say the fans (some) suck for being so consistently negative...like that will get the job done!

[Crusader]

They will be fighting this adversity well into next year and longer if Ozzie blows another draft year. I been " negative " because I have seen what was developing. You don't get bad over night nor do you get good.

[BillyD]

I strongly disagree. I think there is too much extreme blame being placed on the team. They are hardly playing their best, but to say 'they suck' when all 6 games have been within a single score and down to the wire is not a sucking team. It's a team playing good but not good enough. But at least they are fighting. Fans, many are simply giving up in the face of adversity, which is not what this team is about. So that's why I say the fans (some) suck for being so consistently negative...like that will get the job done!

I tell you Ravenshine, when I first saw your comment about the fans I was thinking what is this person talking about?  But seeing your response above I get it.  And I agree with you. And yes, there is a ton of negativity here on the boards, to be expected when we're sitting at 1-5 after being expected to compete for the SB this season.  I think this roster does have talent.  I think we have been in every single game.  That being said, for me and in my opinion I am questioning the coaching, the leadership of the coaching staff, the inability to scheme for not only an opponent but in situations throughout the game, the inability to develop players with regards to talent AND discipline.  It's just lacking across the board.  It was more than apparent as the entire offense strolled down the field after Steve's catch with less than a minute to play.  Everyone...and I mean EVERYONE on that offense was just lazily coming down the field.  That is unacceptable.  And in my opinion, if we had the right leaders, whether coaches or players, that wouldn't happen.  But it does, week in and week out.  There's no fire, will, determination...that "X" factor to make this team take it up a notch.  We obviously have the talent.  We aren't getting blown out form week to week.  But something is missing. 

 

I'll still be rooting every week.  But I'll be doing so without my rose colored glasses.  This "team" is bad.  And since I do believe we have talent on the roster, it makes losing the same way even more frustrating (Yeah, Harbs, I said it.  I'm frustrated.)

[Ravenshine]

We're not at 'bad' IMO. Injuries plus 5 of 7 road games to start off. Plus all within 6 points score per game (some even less). It will be interesting to see how second half of season goes...the entire picture remains to be seen. @ week 6 the season is hardly over, even tho many fans have predicted it is.

[Ravenshine]

@BillyD - fair enough, I can see your perspective too. I have posted here in past we need leaders to step forward, and I agree the leadership hasn't gelled yet, I would say that's the real missing link here. Not talent or fight, just confidence a leader or leaders inspire...like the great Ray Lewis, tough shoes to fill. But someone def needs to step up.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

"As coaches, you find a way to put the players in a position to succeed" Pees is not doing that. He refuses to believe his soft zone prevent scheme is the problem. When a fullback blows through the zone, and nobody picks him up, ITS A PROBLEM.

[thieverycorporation]

Wow, a real stinker last night. Joe looked pitiful and when he didn't, his receivers did. I wouldn't have been shocked to see Shaub out there in the 2nd half. This is going to be a hard season to sit through. They can't give up but knowing you're playing without a chance at the ultimate goal, has to be hard as well. We're playing to save some pride at this point. Gonna be an interesting off season, that's for sure!

I believe Givens is a great pick-up and will be auditioning for a more prominent role. He, Butler and Ross may prove to be acquisitions that prove their worth for next year's roster. Those on the sidelines should be given every opportunity. If i where Trestman, I'd be inputing my stamp on the O going forth. Pee's just needs a clue or to be dispatched with extreme prejudice. Givens looked hungry and motivated to play in the game. And his stats where impressive coming out of college and was just beatin out in the pro's due to draft picks his team chose to roll with. Even Ross shares a similar story.

Edited October 19, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[Ravens_Flock]

The team will keep "battling" because that's what they get paid to do, and they're obligated by the league to play out their remaining schedule. But this team has not fight or fire in it. If it did, we'd have won at least a couple of these "close losses". And that lack of fire starts at the top, with the coach and the QB.

[Ravens_Flock]

@Ravenshine no offense, but I'm not really sure where you come off. Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but telling those of us fans who are disgusted with what we see on the field this year, that WE suck?  We pay our money, and spend our time watching the same team you do. That means we have a right to call garbage what it is: garbage. And quite frankly, what are you talking about "Rankings"? Power Rankings? Because we're rightly ranked near dead last. Our D is ranked 25th. I'm really not sure what ranking you're talking about. Because the only "ranking" that matters, is that we are dead last in the AFC North, and while we're technically tied with JAX and KC as the worst team in the AFC, NFL.com lists as as dead last. No matter how you spin it, this team sucks this year. Worse than any Ravens squad I've watched, because they play with no heart. They don't play like they want to win, which is precisely why they haven't won all these "close" games. A GOOD Ravens team could have or arguably would have won all of those games, yes. But good is not what the 2015 Ravens are, and it's time for people to just accept that.

[btfan2]

John, of course people are scoffing!! We are 1 and 5!!! What else needs to be said. How many "years" has everyone scoffed at the Browns, Miami etc. When you lose people lose respect and interest. This is the problem I have with this guy he lives in some other world

We are the fans, we don't lost interest and yes we are spoiled rotten, so what?? I see no real reason or excuse why we shouldn't continue to be. Are New Yorkers spoiled with the Yankee's, or New England with the Pat's? We expect this team to win. When you make statements like we have to play better -- Expect that to happen. We're the fans excuse us if we act like fans.

[Mystigo_Dragon]

I just want to know how do professional corners and safeties miss cover assignments as drastically and as regularly as they do?  

The Run Game is pretty solid.

The Pass protection is pretty good but Joe locks one guy and ignores others.

The Front Four are getting penetration and learning to stop the run w/o Haloti.

 

All could improve, of course, but they are playing and scoring enough points to win! That Secondary is a major issue!

 

 

 

P.S. -- Indy 'Mayflowers' FO & Chuckie P are souring!  

Edited October 19, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon

[Mystigo_Dragon]

I strongly disagree. I think there is too much extreme blame being placed on the team. They are hardly playing their best, but to say 'they suck' when all 6 games have been within a single score and down to the wire is not a sucking team. It's a team playing good but not good enough. But at least they are fighting. Fans, many are simply giving up in the face of adversity, which is not what this team is about. So that's why I say the fans (some) suck for being so consistently negative...like that will get the job done!

 

I get tired of hearing that lame excuse! There is NO playoff slot for sub-par teams who lose by 3, 4,or 5 points!

 

 This isn't Pop Warner "feel Good" leagues where every participant gets a trophy!

Edited October 19, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon

[Ravenshine]

I get tired of hearing that lame excuse! There is NO playoff slot for sub-par teams who lose by 3, 4,or 5 points!

 

 This isn't Pop Warner "feel Good" leagues where every participant gets a trophy!

Who said anything about "feel good"? Trust me, there is no 'feel good' for me watching these games. And no excuses either...I just see some decent plays being done by O and D at times, and I'm not going to go all postal on the team because they aren't winning games. And yes I find that last line a bit funny.

[Mystigo_Dragon]

Who said anything about "feel good"? Trust me, there is no 'feel good' for me watching these games. And no excuses either...I just see some decent plays being done by O and D at times, and I'm not going to go all postal on the team because they aren't winning games. And yes I find that last line a bit funny.

They've been good but never "ALL GOOD" and bad but never "ALL BAD",... we all get that!

But as long as this collection of Ravens continues to come out on the losing side of games,... until they learn how to protect leads and close out games for the win, who cares if they lose by one or forty points?

It's a lame excuse!

[RaRaRavens]

John, my good lil lad, people aren't scoffing on you, people are scoffing on You. All the troubles of this team begin from the top. No, not from Steve or Oz. Not even from You. But from our OC and DC. Some of our games have been lost because of one of them, some because of the other. And the rest because of both of them. But the fact that You fail to recognize this, and the fact that you keep blaming players, and screaming on players on national television, proves that you are the reason those coordinators are still here. And that puts you at fault the most. So unless you change your perspective, we'll be at this slump for a loooong time. I'm calling it now, either our coordinators need to step up or go, or our HC must.

[Ravenshine]

@ Mystigo - Well, I think we have a different viewpoint on 'what's important'. To me the collective momentum is important, supporting the team is important, the energy put into the power of 'believe' is important. I mean common, this is Ray Lewis 101 philosophy here. NEVER QUIT your team. Never stop believe you can turn things around.

On a related note, call me a 'die hard head in the clouds fan' but...I haven't ruled them out of making playoffs. Their schedule was front loaded, we all knew this coming into the season. I'm waiting to see how the second half of season goes for them before I count them out of playoffs...very much BECAUSE they've played close games. And only if it became mathematically impossible for that to happen, would I concede that's not going to happen. Cause, I still think it CAN happen

Edited October 19, 2015 by Ravenshine

[curtis0360]

I think its time to entertain a change if our season goes 3-13 2-14 or worse 1-15 then we need to change coaches. Chuck pagono is waiting right around the corner, john your job is not as secure as you think it is. All the success you have had in the past will be dumped if you don't start showing some improvement this year. 

[curtis0360]

John, my good lil lad, people aren't scoffing on you, people are scoffing on You. All the troubles of this team begin from the top. No, not from Steve or Oz. Not even from You. But from our OC and DC. Some of our games have been lost because of one of them, some because of the other. And the rest because of both of them. But the fact that You fail to recognize this, and the fact that you keep blaming players, and screaming on players on national television, proves that you are the reason those coordinators are still here. And that puts you at fault the most. So unless you change your perspective, we'll be at this slump for a loooong time. I'm calling it now, either our coordinators need to step up or go, or our HC must.

 

John, my good lil lad, people aren't scoffing on you, people are scoffing on You. All the troubles of this team begin from the top. No, not from Steve or Oz. Not even from You. But from our OC and DC. Some of our games have been lost because of one of them, some because of the other. And the rest because of both of them. But the fact that You fail to recognize this, and the fact that you keep blaming players, and screaming on players on national television, proves that you are the reason those coordinators are still here. And that puts you at fault the most. So unless you change your perspective, we'll be at this slump for a loooong time. I'm calling it now, either our coordinators need to step up or go, or our HC must.

Chuck Pagono is waiting right around the corner. 

[FloridalovesRavens]

Yes the Ravens are not a good football team right now but calling them names is really childish don't you think. Making fun of players who are giving all they have (which is just not enough) right now is also childish. Yes we are spoiled brats. Enough slamming please. The season is bad enough without that kind of attitude.

[Ravenshine]

I think its time to entertain a change if our season goes 3-13 2-14 or worse 1-15 then we need to change coaches. Chuck pagono is waiting right around the corner, john your job is not as secure as you think it is. All the success you have had in the past will be dumped if you don't start showing some improvement this year.

Call me crazy but, I see us finishing 9-7 ..which might not be good enough for wild card, but then again it could be. Depending on other teams. Our two losses toss up between our Cardnals, Bengals and Pits games but not all three but 2 of those 3 teams...the rest of teams we play: San Diego, Jax, Rams, Browns, Miami, Seattle, and KC...all very beatable teams than we had the first 6 games. Edited October 19, 2015 by Ravenshine

[curtis0360]

Call me crazy but, I see us finishing 9-7 ..which might not be good enough for wild card, but then again it could be. Depending on other teams. Our two losses toss up between our Cardnals, Bengals and Pits games but not all three but 2 of those 3 teams...the rest of teams we play: San Diego, Jax, Rams, Browns, Miami, Seattle, and KC...all very beatable teams than we had the first 6 games.

I admire your optimism, but i want you to look at the teams we have lost to, the browns and 49ers are a combined record of 4-8 do you have any idea how bad that looks. It means we are not only a bad team, but maybe the worst team in the league, and like i said chuck pagono is right around the corner. If john can't get the job done, then we will find a headcoach who can. 

[Ravenshine]

I admire your optimism, but i want you to look at the teams we have lost to, the browns and 49ers are a combined record of 4-8 do you have any idea how bad that looks. It means we are not only a bad team, but maybe the worst team in the league, and like i said chuck pagono is right around the corner. If john can't get the job done, then we will find a headcoach who can.

Yes, the Browns loss really hurt...a home game that we really should have won. That was a downer after coming off the win @ Pittsburg. Then after losing to Browns we lose to 49 ers...stupid mistakes cost us that game. If we keep making those kinds of mistakes, yes, count the team out. If they finally get a grip on things, count us in. We will have to see. The next few games decide everything. Maybe even jobs. But I'm not in a hurry to push out Harbs...law of averages he's had more winning seasons than losing, by far.

[catgirl54]

John, of course people are scoffing!! We are 1 and 5!!! What else needs to be said. How many "years" has everyone scoffed at the Browns, Miami etc. When you lose people lose respect and interest. This is the problem I have with this guy he lives in some other world

We are the fans, we don't lost interest and yes we are spoiled rotten, so what?? I see no real reason or excuse why we shouldn't continue to be. Are New Yorkers spoiled with the Yankee's, or New England with the Pat's? We expect this team to win. When you make statements like we have to play better -- Expect that to happen. We're the fans excuse us if we act like fans.

 

I agree - I'm tired of Harbaugh's defensive stance.  I would like to hear him apologize to the fans for once, as he fails to prepare his team to play week after abysmal week.

[Jim from Ellicott City]

If you ask me, which you didn't but I will say it anyway, John Harbaugh lost this team with that idiotic west coast 10 day trip. That for me was the beginning of the end. We never recovered. It was arrogance. Spend a million dollars, keep the team out west and away from there families just two weeks into the season. From the outside looking in it really appears that Harbaugh is a my way or the highway kind of guy. He ran off every player with a strong personality. He surrounds himself with weak coaches. Kubiak was the exception but Kubiak was not his choice either. He even had a sit down with Steve Smith before he was signed and tell him the type of player he had to be. Based on this, I would expect an undisciplined (rank in top 10 for penalties) and poorly coached (player consistently out of position, no 2 minute offence, poor clock management) team. We are doing nothing well and I do not believe that will change. John Harbaugh needs to take a lesson from Tom Coughlin and admit that he is a big part of the problem.

[January J]

You ppl are just so spoiled and used to winning that you don't know how to handle losing.

[BillyD]

@BillyD - fair enough, I can see your perspective too. I have posted here in past we need leaders to step forward, and I agree the leadership hasn't gelled yet, I would say that's the real missing link here. Not talent or fight, just confidence a leader or leaders inspire...like the great Ray Lewis, tough shoes to fill. But someone def needs to step up.

I agree. We're young. With Sizzle out there is a void because he was the leader out there, although I don't think anyone will ever match Ray and Ed. We were blessed for so many seasons with their leadership. Hopefully someone will step up and fill that void to some extent. Let's go Ravens! Get it done!

[CQ1]

"We will find a way to win" = when a blind chicken gets to pick a little bit of corn !

[BillyD]

I agree - I'm tired of Harbaugh's defensive stance. I would like to hear him apologize to the fans for once, as he fails to prepare his team to play week after abysmal week.

Yeah, it would be nice to see that, wouldn't it? I just don't think it's in Harbs' DNA to concede anything or to apologize. I have no doubt that the players are working hard and the coaches are trying to figure a way out of this mess. Harbs might not be frustrated, but I sure am. Just tired of the same storyline every week. But I'll keep pulling for my Ravens.

[The Ez Factor]

I can't believe what I'm reading here. People actually want Harbaugh gone? Lets get some perspective here folks, You don't fire a head coach after 1 bad season. Thats what the bad organizations do. Thats what the Browns, the Raiders, and the Jets of the NFL do. I know you can't just rest on past accomplishments but that is not the answer.

I'm fine with getting rid of Peas tho, the defense has never been very good ever since Chuck Pagano left us. Blame can be shared everywhere on the team but injuries have BURIED us this year. May seem like a cop out but thats the true culprit this year. Yes, the team does have some clear issues but there are no quick fixes right now. The season is obviously lost but don't expect them to be this bad next year. The front office has done too good of a job in the past for us to lose faith in them now. 1 bad season doesn't mean you fire everyone. Lets not be like spoiled New England fans, keep your heads up.