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[Moderator 3]

Back on topic, please.

[Inqui]

Is it over yet?

[K-Dog]

Umm...that's why I said "nearly" K-Dog.  

I  guess we define "nearly" differently

[K-Dog]

Look people, reality is we CAN win this.

[Dfence4champs2052]

This is such a sleeper game. No one expects us to win.........and the Cards are capable of laying eggs. But its too much to ask for with Pees' defense out there. Their WRs will feast I believe.

[RavensFanMania]

Every game to this point has been close and we are losing by a little more than 4 points per game.   Many people are calling for a blowout this game, but I believe t he Ravens are going to come out on top.  Ravens 27 - Cardinals 24.

[Sherly_Tebow]

We're not a team that gets blown out 45-3. We're a team that will keep it close no matter what. I believe that this is a realistically winnable game, despite what many are saying. Expect another nail better... Just hope we finish!

[Kid87]

If we do win this one, lookout.. but the San Diego game is make or break

Edited October 26, 2015 by Kid87

[Militant X 1]

If we do win this one, lookout.. but the San Diego game is make or break

 

Versus the Cardinals is make or break cause being 2-5 is better than being 1-6.

[Sherly_Tebow]

If we do win this one, lookout.. but the San Diego game is make or break

3-5 at the bye gives us a chance, considering our games after the bye week. Jags, Rams, Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs, Steelers, Seahawks, Bengals. If we were 3-5 and won 7 out of those last 8, maybe 6, were in

[RavensPunkXVX]

Maybe someone can enlighten me about the defense. I know we lack receivers on the offensive side of the ball but for the most part, they do their job.

Is the defense really that banged up that we can put the blame there or are the players just not as good as we once thought?

For the most part, our defensive line has been getting after the QB, ranking somewhere between 7-8 I believe. We have a really solid LB core, though Mosley has been struggling.

Then, we get to the secondary. We all dreamt of a healthy duo of Webb and Jimmy at some point. This year, they've struggled as well. Will Hill has been decent. The other safety spot has been a rotating door with injuries as has the nickel corner spot.

So, defensively, would you say our players aren't as good as we thought or maybe they don't fit the defensive scheme? Outside of the safety spot with Lewis and nickel spot, this is the team we wanted right?

[Purple_ICE 81]

I currently need Carson Palmer to win me 2 fantasy matchups (which he should if he lives up to Projections)... But I keep thinking to myself what if we end up playing lights out on D and hold their offense in check...or at least somewhat in check.

[ravens88]

Maybe someone can enlighten me about the defense. I know we lack receivers on the offensive side of the ball but for the most part, they do their job.

 

From what ive seen and my opinion as strictly a fan. It looks like there is no communication. we still lack a true free safety that can make the right adjustments for coverage and cover over the top. We don't have a solid #2 corner and jimmy hasn't been doing enough consistently. secondary just cant prevent the big play and I don't think the pass rush has been that great most of our sacks and pressures are from ILB blitzing.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Maybe someone can enlighten me about the defense. I know we lack receivers on the offensive side of the ball but for the most part, they do their job.

Is the defense really that banged up that we can put the blame there or are the players just not as good as we once thought?

For the most part, our defensive line has been getting after the QB, ranking somewhere between 7-8 I believe. We have a really solid LB core, though Mosley has been struggling.

Then, we get to the secondary. We all dreamt of a healthy duo of Webb and Jimmy at some point. This year, they've struggled as well. Will Hill has been decent. The other safety spot has been a rotating door with injuries as has the nickel corner spot.

So, defensively, would you say our players aren't as good as we thought or maybe they don't fit the defensive scheme? Outside of the safety spot with Lewis and nickel spot, this is the team we wanted right?

We most definitely need more defensive backs. Aside from Jimmy Smith...who has single handedly been beat numerous times this season...our secondary badly needs help.

For some reason we think that 1 solid CB surrounded by mediocre C- grade at best CBs can get it done. We definitely need to sure up our secondary which has been a reoccurring problem for us over Harbaugh and Flaccos tenure here. Lardarius Webb is done, Kyle arrington is nothing more than a depth guy, and beyond that we have nothing else. If we had 1 or 2 more CBs and could drop Webb/Arrington down to 4th/5th on the depth chart as package guys/reserve guys, our secondary would be much improved. I feel like Jimmy is a lone wolf out there.

Id love to see us grab a CB with our 1st rd pick after the season is over, while also looking for vet CBs in free agency like we always do. Another cornerstone corner to play aside Jimmy would be a sweet deal.

We also need some more pass rush help for sure with Suggs future in question, and with Doom getting older we could definitely use another sack artist.

If we sure up the pass defense, add some pass rush talent we could be back on track as a top 10 overall D.

[Edug27]

A secondary that can't cover for long, and no pash rush to force the QB to get the ball out quick ... So the QB can literally pick apart the defense like target practice.

[The Raven]

Maybe someone can enlighten me about the defense. I know we lack receivers on the offensive side of the ball but for the most part, they do their job.

Is the defense really that banged up that we can put the blame there or are the players just not as good as we once thought?

For the most part, our defensive line has been getting after the QB, ranking somewhere between 7-8 I believe. We have a really solid LB core, though Mosley has been struggling.

Then, we get to the secondary. We all dreamt of a healthy duo of Webb and Jimmy at some point. This year, they've struggled as well. Will Hill has been decent. The other safety spot has been a rotating door with injuries as has the nickel corner spot.

So, defensively, would you say our players aren't as good as we thought or maybe they don't fit the defensive scheme? Outside of the safety spot with Lewis and nickel spot, this is the team we wanted right?

 

I don't think our defensive line is as good as the numbers indicate. I know that sounds backwards, but bear with me. 

 

Last game, an announcer said we had the most 3rd down sacks in the league. We're tied at seventh for most sacks overall in the league. However, I would argue that many of these sacks are the result of zone blitzes on third down. We are not getting consistent pressure. We are getting a lot of sacks on blitzes, and that's it. And that's where it makes the secondary look even worse. If we don't get that sack on the blitz, it's a big play the other way. 

 

Simply put, we're not getting consistent pressure with a four man rush. If you can't get pressure with four, you won't do well as a defense.

 

As far as the secondary... I don't know what's going on back there. I think they lack chemistry because of all the injuries. Chemistry is huge back there, especially since we have a zone heavy coverage scheme. I also think Pees might not be using our safeties effectively. I'd like to see Kendrick Lewis as the deep guy, not Will Hill. I think we have corners who all fit different schemes. The issues I saw with our original starting secondary were lack of chemistry, not lack of talent.

[Purple_City39]

I don't think our defensive line is as good as the numbers indicate. I know that sounds backwards, but bear with me. 

 

Last game, an announcer said we had the most 3rd down sacks in the league. We're tied at seventh for most sacks overall in the league. However, I would argue that many of these sacks are the result of zone blitzes on third down. We are not getting consistent pressure. We are getting a lot of sacks on blitzes, and that's it. And that's where it makes the secondary look even worse. If we don't get that sack on the blitz, it's a big play the other way. 

 

Simply put, we're not getting consistent pressure with a four man rush. If you can't get pressure with four, you won't do well as a defense.

 

As far as the secondary... I don't know what's going on back there. I think they lack chemistry because of all the injuries. Chemistry is huge back there, especially since we have a zone heavy coverage scheme. I also think Pees might not be using our safeties effectively. I'd like to see Kendrick Lewis as the deep guy, not Will Hill. I think we have corners who all fit different schemes. The issues I saw with our original starting secondary were lack of chemistry, not lack of talent.

Two things here.  First, there's more to rating a d-line than just their pass rush.  Second, we primarily run a 3-4 (although I don't know the percentage split), and it's not the d-line's job to get pressure in a 3-4.  It's more on the LBs, the lineman are tasked with occupying space/blockers to free up LBs to get stops/pressure.  Them getting pressure is an added bonus

[Cillmatic]

Just some fun facts for everyone:

In the 2000 regular season, Ravens allowed a total of 165 points. Today, they need 3 to break that.

Also,

We may see a combo of Wright, Arrington and Trawick on the field for most of the game, In fact if Kendrick and Webb don't play Trawick(first career start) and Wright will be starters.

Also,

Cardinals have out scored teams 100-50 this season,

Edited October 26, 2015 by Cillmatic

[JEEPercreepermd]

The Ravens will lose because some scrub DB falls down or blows a coverage late.

Then, you will all blame Dean Pees and squabble like 8 year olds.

[The Raven]

Two things here.  First, there's more to rating a d-line than just their pass rush.  Second, we primarily run a 3-4 (although I don't know the percentage split), and it's not the d-line's job to get pressure in a 3-4.  It's more on the LBs, the lineman are tasked with occupying space/blockers to free up LBs to get stops/pressure.  Them getting pressure is an added bonus

 

In 2015, defensive linemen are expected to get pressure. I'm well aware of the expectations of the traditional 3-4, but the traditional 3-4 is archaic. Defensive linemen need to get pressure, or at least push. We aren't doing that. 

[rmcjacket23]

In 2015, defensive linemen are expected to get pressure. I'm well aware of the expectations of the traditional 3-4, but the traditional 3-4 is archaic. Defensive linemen need to get pressure, or at least push. We aren't doing that. 

But what's the basis for this? How do you determine if we're getting push or not. You said yourself we don't need to get sacks in order to get pressure, so how exactly do you determine that we aren't?

 

The eye test isn't a valid measurement, because its subjective and deceiving. While I agree that we generally aren't getting pressure and sacks from a 4 man rush, that's not necessarily reflective of the defensive line, since one or two of those players aren't likely labeled as defensive lineman to begin with. We already know our main struggles with pressure come from the lack of talent alongside Dumervil at OLB.

[The Raven]

But what's the basis for this? How do you determine if we're getting push or not. You said yourself we don't need to get sacks in order to get pressure, so how exactly do you determine that we aren't?

 

The eye test isn't a valid measurement, because its subjective and deceiving. While I agree that we generally aren't getting pressure and sacks from a 4 man rush, that's not necessarily reflective of the defensive line, since one or two of those players aren't likely labeled as defensive lineman to begin with. We already know our main struggles with pressure come from the lack of talent alongside Dumervil at OLB.

 

That we aren't getting consistent pressure with four is very reflective of our defensive line. What else does that lack of pressure reflect?

 

For all intents and purposes, Dumervil, Upshaw, and Zadarius are defensive ends, despite their position name. OLB is just a label. They function as defensive linemen.

[rmcjacket23]

That we aren't getting consistent pressure with four is very reflective of our defensive line. What else does that lack of pressure reflect?

 

For all intents and purposes, Dumervil, Upshaw, and Zadarius are defensive ends, despite their position name. OLB is just a label. They function as defensive linemen.

If that's the case, then yes, our D-line isn't getting pressure.

 

I treat 3-4 different than a 4-3 due to the responsibilities being different, so I don't look at those guys as DE's.

[Purple_City39]

In 2015, defensive linemen are expected to get pressure. I'm well aware of the expectations of the traditional 3-4, but the traditional 3-4 is archaic. Defensive linemen need to get pressure, or at least push. We aren't doing that. 

How do you determine who isn't getting pressure or not?  By most accounts, Lawrence Guy has been getting decent pressure.  Brandon Williams has been pushing one or two men back constantly.  Carl Davis has had his moments.  Whenever Dumervil is the 4th man on those 4 man rushes, he's been getting pressure.  They aren't getting sacks on 4 man rushes but you specifically requested pressure.  Of course, 4 men constantly beating 5, 6, or 7 is unreasonable

[atomicfront]

3-5 at the bye gives us a chance, considering our games after the bye week. Jags, Rams, Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs, Steelers, Seahawks, Bengals. If we were 3-5 and won 7 out of those last 8, maybe 6, were in

 

We just lost to two 5 loss teams in a row.  I don't see how the schedule can get much easier than our last two games.  

[ravensdfan]

The Ravens will lose because some scrub DB falls down or blows a coverage late.

Then, you will all blame Dean Pees and squabble like 8 year olds.

Or the offense will put up 30 some odd points, miss a TD late after the defense blows a 4th quarter lead and everyone will blame the offense. Could go either way.

[Militant X 1]

Been watching some NFL information.  Not one analyst is picking the Ravens to win tonight.  Don't blame them based upon what they've shown over the course of 6 weeks.  But now; it's time to shock the world!  I'm all in!

 

GO RAVENS!!

[Inqui]

I don't think our defensive line is as good as the numbers indicate. I know that sounds backwards, but bear with me. 

 

Last game, an announcer said we had the most 3rd down sacks in the league. We're tied at seventh for most sacks overall in the league. However, I would argue that many of these sacks are the result of zone blitzes on third down. We are not getting consistent pressure. We are getting a lot of sacks on blitzes, and that's it. And that's where it makes the secondary look even worse. If we don't get that sack on the blitz, it's a big play the other way. 

 

Simply put, we're not getting consistent pressure with a four man rush. If you can't get pressure with four, you won't do well as a defense.

 

As far as the secondary... I don't know what's going on back there. I think they lack chemistry because of all the injuries. Chemistry is huge back there, especially since we have a zone heavy coverage scheme. I also think Pees might not be using our safeties effectively. I'd like to see Kendrick Lewis as the deep guy, not Will Hill. I think we have corners who all fit different schemes. The issues I saw with our original starting secondary were lack of chemistry, not lack of talent.

This is what the guy was talking about in the article I linked last week. Statistically we're getting to the QB as often as we were last year (similar percentage of snaps played), but the difference is that this year we're having to blitz more to get that pressure (ironically doing what a lot of fans asked him to do last year) and the result is that it's been exposing the secondary even more and we can't get off the field.

[Militant X 1]

Or the offense will put up 30 some odd points, miss a TD late after the defense blows a 4th quarter lead and everyone will blame the offense. Could go either way.

 

No!  No!  No!

 

Here I am "trying" to put my best positive foot forward (created the "Rally-Ravens" thread) for tonight's game by backing our Ravens after I have smoked them all week long for their piss poor gameplay and have even predicted them to lose tonight and you say stuff like this?

 

C'mon now!  Help a brotha out!

[darklight1216]

Been watching some NFL information.  Not one analyst is picking the Ravens to win tonight.  Don't blame them based upon what they've shown over the course of 6 weeks.  But now; it's time to shock the world!  I'm all in!

 

GO RAVENS!!

Oh, the irony.