The Good, the bad and ugly vs 49ers

[nextgen_RavensFan]

This team lacks discipline and shows zero sense of urgency. Hats off to the coach's for creating a group of care free players who celebrate single plays mean while they over all are a pathetic group. I would fine any player who celebrates after a play. No reason to be happy for individual success when as a team you are clueless. Harbaugh seems complacent, Pee's does not know how bad he actually is and the players... just wow to them.  Folks are thinking of trying to ask SS Sr to play another year for this team, what an offer huh ? 

 

Trade him to a team in contention he deserves it. 

[omar586]

tank and rebuild w/good draft . we had a good run last decade, lets tank & rebuild. forget about this season people.

[BmoreBird22]

Great minds.

Wonder if that Broncos fan would still rather have Sly Williams. Ha...

[ravensdfan]

I think they can make some starting position changes and move some players around, but other than that, what can the FO really do? 

 

FA market is a baron wasteland of mostly low-talented players, there aren't any quality players to trade for (nor does it make sense to do so when you're 1-5), and even coaching changes is just putting a band aid on a broken bone.

 

Can certainly see some depth chart changes coming internally, but other than that, I just don't see what else can be done this year. The only real solution is players just simply have to play better. 

 

I can't think of a single player on this roster (even including guys like Yanda and Tucker) who have consistently played well this season. Not one. A coaching change can't solve that problem.

Someone needs to be held accountable for this despicable defensive showing this year. For a player who has been here a week covering Torrey and without any Safety help. What is that? The 3rd week in a row that Pees has made that type of move with someone on the opposing team's top receiver?

 

Someone has to be held accountable for 35 yd bombs on 3rd and 4 and a 2 min drill where players have no urgency and are jogging to the ball.

 

One can argue for Trestman, running someone else's offense, very few weapons. But the excuses for Pees have run their course. We can't keep on cutting players and bringing in new guys, watching guys who have played okay elsewhere suddenly forget how to play upon arriving here, guys who played like crap here playing decent elsewhere, and keep on claiming it is the players. The defense has been given talent. It might not be pro bowl talent but it is not the garbage that everyone wants to claim in order to absolve Pees.

 

Harbs is safe but whoever calls down from the booth to advise on challenges needs to be gone too.

 

You can't just keep on doing the same old thing and not hold people accountable. That sends a losing mentality to your players.

[Dr. Kelley]

Eugene Monroe had a solid game for the second straight week. When healthy, he's great. It's just been an issue having a healthy Monroe

That lack of hustle during the 2 minute drill irks me bad though

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Wonder if that Broncos fan would still rather have Sly Williams. Ha...

Ha. All depends on his level of bias unfortunately.

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Eugene Monroe had a solid game for the second straight week. When healthy, he's great. It's just been an issue having a healthy Monroe

I didn't watch him closely but I'll take your word for it. He had some issues down the stretch last season and I'm glad to hear that he's bounced back thus far. He looked terrific last week.

[BmoreBird22]

That lack of hustle during the 2 minute drill irks me bad though

No doubt considering he's probably the most well conditioned offensive lineman the Ravens have, but the timeout management shouldn't have made it a point to discuss. I love Harbaugh, think he's top five, but his clock management and time out usage is porous

[Guest]

Yeah, he's shown up for the past 3 or 4 years stirring the pot. He usually goes away at some point, but with the way things are going he's got plenty of ammo.

It is pretty bad, but there were just too many unknowns going into the season. I kinda think that's one of the reasons I'm not that upset, really didn't have high expectations for this year. That along with all of the injuries.......I'm just not ready to call out the coaching staff and FO.

 

I hear you deferring.

 

I've seen some inexplicable things though and you know that is why people retire.  If people didn't grow old there would be no reason to retire from jobs they could still easily do.  The thing is as they age, they can't do it like they did.  That doesn't only apply to football players.  

[BmoreBird22]

I didn't watch him closely but I'll take your word for it. He had some issues down the stretch last season and I'm glad to hear that he's bounced back thus far. He looked terrific last week.

I didn't watch him too closely this week because I was often just left shaking my head, and I saw him get walked back a few times in pass protection, but he's been a revelation compared to Hurst. Can't actually say I saw him allow a hit. I also think they really missed his athleticism to trap and get up field in the run game.

[Underdogsontop!]

I was at the game and big changes gotta be coming soon! IMO

[rmcjacket23]

Someone needs to be held accountable for this despicable defensive showing this year. For a player who has been here a week covering Torrey and without any Safety help. What is that? The 3rd week in a row that Pees has made that type of move with someone on the opposing team's top receiver?

 

Someone has to be held accountable for 35 yd bombs on 3rd and 4 and a 2 min drill where players have no urgency and are jogging to the ball.

 

One can argue for Trestman, running someone else's offense, very few weapons. But the excuses for Pees have run their course. We can't keep on cutting players and bringing in new guys, watching guys who have played okay elsewhere suddenly forget how to play upon arriving here, guys who played like crap here playing decent elsewhere, and keep on claiming it is the players. The defense has been given talent. It might not be pro bowl talent but it is not the garbage that everyone wants to claim in order to absolve Pees.

 

Harbs is safe but whoever calls down from the booth to advise on challenges needs to be gone too.

 

You can't just keep on doing the same old thing and not hold people accountable. That sends a losing mentality to your players.

He most likely will be held accountable via an offseason firing. There's just not really much point in doing it now.

 

I don't see much secondary talent. I think Jimmy is a good player who has made some rookie mistakes in coverage this season (though I don't think he's played poorly) and I think Will Hill is a good box safety and is vastly overrated as a safety in coverage (again, don't think he's played poorly). 

 

You've got as unreliable a corner as there gets in Webb, and no quality depth at corner behind that, and I'm convinced that Kendrick Lewis has absolutely no idea what coverage we are in on at least 50% of the plays. Either that, or he has horrendous instincts.

 

Getting a new DC won't solve people blowing their assignments. It can solve some other problems, but it won't ever solve that one.

 

As far as "hanging Wright out to dry" on that Torrey play goes, if Wright knows that he's got no help behind, then he really has one single job... don't get beat deep. He knows the WR across from him runs mostly deep routes, and he knows that giving up a 10-15 yard completion in front of him is borderline "acceptable" given that we are blitzing and/or at least showing blitz.

 

He did the one thing he can't do. Play 10 yards off the receiver for all I care, and let them complete it in front of you. To me, what it looks liked was that Wright didn't know the coverage, and he was somewhat expecting safety help. That's his problem. 

[rmcjacket23]

No doubt considering he's probably the most well conditioned offensive lineman the Ravens have, but the timeout management shouldn't have made it a point to discuss. I love Harbaugh, think he's top five, but his clock management and time out usage is porous

Thought the TV crew overreacted a bit to that one. They weren't sprinting, and they could have hustled more, but they didn't slow the play down. They got to the line slightly before Joe did, so its not like he was waiting for them to get set.

 

Joe botched that drive earlier by not spiking after the first significant completion. Cost at least 5-10 seconds.

[omar586]

at least we know that marlon sucks, and his snaps are going 2 GIVENS & ROSS. SSS>AIKEN>ROSS>GIVENS.

[Smothy]

Are we going to see another "Ravens know how to deal with adversity" article tomorrow?

[redlobster]

I'm glad I went grocery shopping at Walmart instead of watching the game.

For the love everything please play Arthur brown and tray walker. Let's see what they have

[BmoreBird22]

Thought the TV crew overreacted a bit to that one. They weren't sprinting, and they could have hustled more, but they didn't slow the play down. They got to the line slightly before Joe did, so its not like he was waiting for them to get set.

 

Joe botched that drive earlier by not spiking after the first significant completion. Cost at least 5-10 seconds.

I was confused as to where the crew got the "lack of hustle" costing 15 seconds. I didn't think it cost more than like three or four, but I do agree about the spike. Not a whole lot of urgency setting up right there to even get their actual play off.

[Tank 92]

I hear you deferring.

 

I've seen some inexplicable things though and you know that is why people retire.  If people didn't grow old there would be no reason to retire from jobs they could still easily do.  The thing is as they age, they can't do it like they did.  That doesn't only apply to football players.

Sizzle, Perriman, Webb, etc. healthy and playing, I doubt we are having this conversation.

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I didn't watch him too closely this week because I was often just left shaking my head, and I saw him get walked back a few times in pass protection, but he's been a revelation compared to Hurst. Can't actually say I saw him allow a hit. I also think they really missed his athleticism to trap and get up field in the run game.

That's fair. I also didn't see him allow much pressure. Definitely night and day between he and Hurst.

[rmcjacket23]

That's fair. I also didn't see him allow much pressure. Definitely night and day between he and Hurst.

Glad people are at least acknowledging this now. For awhile last season it seemed like people actually thought Hurst was better. I have no idea how that opinion was ever formed by anyone.

[BSHU_Miami]

Glad people are at least acknowledging this now. For awhile last season it seemed like people actually thought Hurst was better. I have no idea how that opinion was ever formed by anyone.

me neither, hurst looked trash from Jump street...its pretty obvious Monroe played hurt last year.

[BmoreBird22]

That's fair. I also didn't see him allow much pressure. Definitely night and day between he and Hurst.

  

Glad people are at least acknowledging this now. For awhile last season it seemed like people actually thought Hurst was better. I have no idea how that opinion was ever formed by anyone.

I was firmly of the mindset that injuries undid him last season. I think we're seeing more of 2013 from him in 2015 and that's a very good thing. Too many people jumped ship on him too soon

[rmw10]

Glad people are at least acknowledging this now. For awhile last season it seemed like people actually thought Hurst was better. I have no idea how that opinion was ever formed by anyone.

 

I remember people talking about trading Monroe last year and letting Hurst take over.  They all look crazy now.  A healthy Monroe is a godsend.  Unfortunately for us, we haven't really seen that version of him until now other than the half season of him after the trade.

[BSHU_Miami]

I completely LOL'd when we had to dump it down on a flea flicker because our WR couldn't get open.... How pathetic.

[rmw10]

I completely LOL'd when we had to dump it down on a flea flicker because our WR couldn't get open.... How pathetic.

 

Speaks to how our season is going at the position.  In the past 3 weeks with the better version of our OL, Joe has had quite a bit of time in the pocket on numerous occasions but no one has been open.  Joe isn't doing himself many favors of course, but man, the group were trotting out at WR is pretty bad.

[jboy]

We just don't have the playmakers in the defensive secondary, or the wide receivers. Pee's should be done. Changing the OC every year has caught up to Joe. With all our problems we're still very close to 5-1, unreal. Oh, and a run of bad luck with injuries also. And the salary cap has hit us hard with Ray Rice and other dead money. Time to start rotating in the games young players and see if they can contribute. I'm starting to wonder if Harbs is burned out or has he lost touch with the players. I get a weird vibe watching the bench, but it could simply be losing breeds discontent. We have lost all the old leaders also who would keep the guys focused. We've had a very good team for many years and got used to winning. The next 10 games could get ugly for the team.

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Glad people are at least acknowledging this now. For awhile last season it seemed like people actually thought Hurst was better. I have no idea how that opinion was ever formed by anyone.

I certainly don't intend for this to be a pat on the back as I would've preferred for Hurst to turn out to be a diamond in the rough, but I had significant concerns about his pro-potential going back to his North Carolina days. I thought he footwork or lack thereof was a major concern and it has shown to be an issue thus far. Monroe didn't have an impressive 2014 campaign, but it should be noted that he also had his knee scoped during the season. I've had two of those myself and my road to recovery was lengthier than I expected, so I can only imagine how difficult it must've been for Monroe to have a mid-season scope and return to face REs and ROLBs on a weekly basis. Not to mention that he was also dealing with ankle and foot problems down the road. He was phenomenal in 2013 and it looks like he could be back to form.

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I was firmly of the mindset that injuries undid him last season. I think we're seeing more of 2013 from him in 2015 and that's a very good thing. Too many people jumped ship on him too soon

Beat me to it. Just saw this post after stating basically the same thing. Good call.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I think what upsets me more than anything is our attitude. The team doesn't seem like it consistently plays to win. I honestly feel like fans here care more that the team wins than the actual players do when I watch them. That's a real problem for me. I wouldn't be mad or take losing badly if we played hard and just got beat straight-up. The problem is we are really in these games and can win them all, but we are clearly far away from winning due to attitude. 

 

Perhaps victory has defeated us? Lol. I've referenced Batman a lot lately. I need to go watch it. The problem for me is I just don't like to lose. It's not that I am OK with losing, but I could stomach losing more if we put our heart out there and lost. This just isn't what I like to see.

Agreed. The 'Attitude' is just not there consistantly. I wonder if it has more to do with leadership. I don't recognize this 'brand' of Ravens football at all. It's competitive like a corporate team building weekend, but not like a band of brothers in battle. There's not enough collective passion or purpose out there. Just a workout where no one wants to be the reason for losing so the fear of losing rules the day. No sway.

The Ravens are better than our 1-5 record would suggest, but we won't be until everyone on the field commits to being fearless.

Sorry for the rant. I don't know what I'm looking at this season.

[Ravenmanwoody]

Flacco has cost this team 3 games this season with his turnovers and resulting scores. The secondary has been brutal as well. Time to bench him. He say's the SAME things after every game "My Fault". So why keep him in there!?!?! Tired of this crap every week!!!