The Good, the bad and ugly vs 49ers

[jazz1988]

well if it wasn't wright it would have been arrington or walker.

 

don't see any of them doing better.

 

heck jimmy got burned by boldin of all people....

 

also i don't understand why people all of a sudden don't agree with that play call.

they want pressure , they want blitzes, they want more man cov, they want no prevent.

 

seriously since week 3 we have been doing this and it has not been pretty at all.

 

also please dont bring up playing press.

 

jimmy our best CB doing that tried it and it pretty much lost us valuable time getting flagged and it got melvin benched and cut.

 

you wanna know why they dont press or play closer ^^^^

 

I don't know man  that's just a bad play call. I can understand it better if Ladarius Webb was out there or some other solid number 2 corner was out there but to have Wright cover Torrey Smith with no safety help is bad. People can say Torrey Smith isn't a great route runner or what ever be he's still a playmaker and one of  the better deep threat receiver in the league.

 

Putting Wright on a island (whom was grade out as one of the worst cornerback last year) matchup against Torrey Smith is  bad man especially when facing up against a quarterback that can buy time with his feet. We like to see The Ravens defense play with confidence and play physical but don't play that confident to the point you willing to have a cornerback that hasn't even been on the team for that long to cover Torrey Smith with out any safety help.

[Purple_City39]

On that 76 yard TD to Smith, the CB played about 8-9 yards off Torrey

Nobody plays press coverage with no over the top help.  Nobody.  When you're the last line of defense, every CB would play off.  

This is why I say people don't really understand defense in the NFL

[Purple_City39]

well if it wasn't wright it would have been arrington or walker.

 

don't see any of them doing better.

 

heck jimmy got burned by boldin of all people....

 

also i don't understand why people all of a sudden don't agree with that play call.

they want pressure , they want blitzes, they want more man cov, they want no prevent.

 

seriously since week 3 we have been doing this and it has not been pretty at all.

 

also please dont bring up playing press.

 

jimmy our best CB doing that tried it and it pretty much lost us valuable time getting flagged and it got melvin benched and cut.

 

you wanna know why they dont press or play closer ^^^^

Pretty much.  We have one pure pass rusher on the team and it's easy to chip him at that point.  We have only been getting sacks by blitzing.

 

If Pees doesn't blitz, fans call him out for it

If Pees sends a blitz and puts faith in a CB who gets burned, fans call him out for it

If Pees calls zone, fans call him out for it

If Pees calls man and the CB gets beat, fans call him out for it.

 

It's almost comical.  Jimmy Smith is being beat left and right.  A rookie made him look horrible on the first drive of his second game.  I think the secondary coach is a bigger problem than Pees right now.  All Pees is doing is exactly what fans want and then fans complain about that.

[gtalk12]

Nobody plays press coverage with no over the top help.  Nobody.  When you're the last line of defense, every CB would play off.  

This is why I say people don't really understand defense in the NFL

 

Who said anything about playing press? No safety help with Torrey Smith running full-speed against a guy who's only been there a couple of days AND is playing 8 yards out. Here comes Torrey gaining speed and then he explodes right off him.

 

Defenses last year knew better against Torrey, but you know....we don't smh.

 

All this is happening because we don't have the pass rush up front, blitzing is not going to help.

[Tru11]

I don't know man  that's just a bad play call. I can understand it better if Ladarius Webb was out there or some other solid number 2 corner was out there but to have Wright cover Torrey Smith with no safety help is bad. People can say Torrey Smith isn't a great route runner or what ever be he's still a playmaker and one of  the better deep threat receiver in the league.

 

Putting Wright on a island (whom was grade out as one of the worst cornerback last year) matchup against Torrey Smith is  bad man especially when facing up against a quarterback that can buy time with his feet. We like to see The Ravens defense play with confidence and play physical but don't play that confident to the point you willing to have a cornerback that hasn't even been on the team for that long to cover Torrey Smith with out any safety help.

 

there wasn't anyone else we could play on the outside at CB there.

its simply not really realistic to have a safety deep for the entire game just because of torrey lol.

 

wright only had 1 job and that is not get beat deep and he had a 10 yard lead on him.

if he kept his distance he would have been fine but when torrey slowed down he was basically standing next to him and thus its when he got beat.

 

also i'm not sure if he did not have any help.

 

lewis started as the deep safety and came when the TE switched sides.

in that it seemed hill was supposed to drop deep but after the snap it was actually mosley who did as he jumped boldin crossing route.

before the snap we had 9!!! players in the box  and only 4 actually attacked the LOS after the snap.

 

hill and lewis where basically just standing there watching it while smith covered the RB.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25yBUTPjoe8

 

if you stop it at the 50 sec mark you will get a pretty good view of what happened.

 

TBH keap sold the PA and us rushing 4 against max protect gave him enough time to make the throw and torrey sold the double move great as well.

 

its certainly aint the best or smartest call but its what the masses demanded lol.

no more soft prevent stuff right 

[77rus]

Pretty much.  We have one pure pass rusher on the team and it's easy to chip him at that point.  We have only been getting sacks by blitzing.

 

If Pees doesn't blitz, fans call him out for it

If Pees sends a blitz and puts faith in a CB who gets burned, fans call him out for it

If Pees calls zone, fans call him out for it

If Pees calls man and the CB gets beat, fans call him out for it.

 

It's almost comical.  Jimmy Smith is being beat left and right.  A rookie made him look horrible on the first drive of his second game.  I think the secondary coach is a bigger problem than Pees right now.  All Pees is doing is exactly what fans want and then fans complain about that.

I don't remember anyone blaming Pees for Jimmy's mistake. The issue is, as I see it, is Pees not giving Jimmy a second chance to correct his mistakes, and going right back to playing way off, which time and again has been proven doesn't work

[Tru11]

I don't remember anyone blaming Pees for Jimmy's mistake. The issue is, as I see it, is Pees not giving Jimmy a second chance to correct his mistakes, and going right back to playing way off, which time and again has been proven doesn't work

 

he played great press coverage on that flag  that got thrown at the end of the game.

heck he played 10 yards off on boldin and got burned for 51 yards

 

he tried both and these are the results in this game alone.

both pretty huge plays.

 

so what more do you suggest he should try ?

[77rus]

he played great press coverage on that flag  that got thrown at the end of the game.

heck he played 10 yards off on boldin and got burned for 51 yards

 

he tried both and these are the results in this game alone.

both pretty huge plays.

 

so what more do you suggest he should try ?

You are pointing out separate instances. It would be interesting to see the percentage of plays Jimmy plays press and off.

If the percentage of plays was about 50-50 and he was getting beat on them equally, then you have a point. 

[jazz1988]

there wasn't anyone else we could play on the outside at CB there.

its simply not really realistic to have a safety deep for the entire game just because of torrey lol.

 

wright only had 1 job and that is not get beat deep and he had a 10 yard lead on him.

if he kept his distance he would have been fine but when torrey slowed down he was basically standing next to him and thus its when he got beat.

 

also i'm not sure if he did not have any help.

 

lewis started as the deep safety and came when the TE switched sides.

in that it seemed hill was supposed to drop deep but after the snap it was actually mosley who did as he jumped boldin crossing route.

before the snap we had 9!!! players in the box  and only 4 actually attacked the LOS after the snap.

 

hill and lewis where basically just standing there watching it while smith covered the RB.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25yBUTPjoe8

 

if you stop it at the 50 sec mark you will get a pretty good view of what happened.

 

TBH keap sold the PA and us rushing 4 against max protect gave him enough time to make the throw and torrey sold the double move great as well.

 

its certainly aint the best or smartest call but its what the masses demanded lol.

no more soft prevent stuff right 

 

Tru leaving a cornerback that's only been on your team for like four days on a island  against a receiver like Torrey is not smart . There's no buts or ifs  about that man .  I'm not even questioning Dean Pees or Harbaugh decision/reason  for having Wright to start right away on the outside but you don't do that.

 

How is it not realistic? We have seen many of times during games where opposing defenses  consistently keep a safety deep to watch out for Torrey when he was here. The only time when a cornerback should be left on a island with a receiver like Torrey or better is if that cornerback is a  solid cover corner.

 

As I said before we not talking about Webb or any other legit starting cornerback but Wright whom was one of the worst as a cover corner last year. What about Wright should have gave The Ravens defensive coordinator or even Kendrick Lewis the right to feel comfortable  to leave him on island with Torrey?  There is no legit reason to leave Wright hanging like that when Torrey Smith is  a consistent threat to beat a defense deep. Seems like you making excuse for Dean Pees man and yes we ask him to allow the defensive players to play more physical but not dumb.

[rmw10]

Who said anything about playing press? No safety help with Torrey Smith running full-speed against a guy who's only been there a couple of days AND is playing 8 yards out. Here comes Torrey gaining speed and then he explodes right off him.

Defenses last year knew better against Torrey, but you know....we don't smh.

All this is happening because we don't have the pass rush up front, blitzing is not going to help.

Exactly. I'm not calling for press there. It seems some think the only options are press or off man. Just because a guy is playing at the LOS does not mean it's going to be press coverage.

[arnie_uk]

Didn't see the game, but I can safely say none of our corners, even jimmy is fit to match Torrey Smith in a zero cover defense. We should have been playing single high at minimum virtually every snap.

Often when he was here, any single high or zero coverage look opposing defenses gave us, there was an automatic audible in smiths route to just run deep and fast and Flacco put it up there.

If we had both safety's at the LOS as many have said, I bet both smith and kap immediately knew that smith was to go long and he was to put it up for him.

It's poor coaching to leave anyone on a island with someone as fast as smith. He wasn't a great receiver, but he could damn well beat virtually any corner for speed and pees should have known that.

Unless of course they didn't think kap could hit him.

[Tru11]

Tru leaving a cornerback that's only been on your team for like four days on a island  against a receiver like Torrey is not smart . There's no buts or ifs  about that man .  I'm not even questioning Dean Pees or Harbaugh decision/reason  for having Wright to start right away on the outside but you don't do that.

 

How is it not realistic? We have seen many of times during games where opposing defenses  consistently keep a safety deep to watch out for Torrey when he was here. The only time when a cornerback should be left on a island with a receiver like Torrey or better is if that cornerback is a  solid cover corner.

 

As I said before we not talking about Webb or any other legit starting cornerback but Wright whom was one of the worst as a cover corner last year. What about Wright should have gave The Ravens defensive coordinator or even Kendrick Lewis the right to feel comfortable  to leave him on island with Torrey?  There is no legit reason to leave Wright hanging like that when Torrey Smith is  a consistent threat to beat a defense deep. Seems like you making excuse for Dean Pees man and yes we ask him to allow the defensive players to play more physical but not dumb.

 

like i said i know it wasn't the smartest  play to call.

 

but you cant deny that if wright did what he was supposed to do we would not be talking about it.

 

Do you truly believe neither harbough nor pees had a talk with him about if he is capable of playing and what he can or could not do?

Do you truly believe he had no idea about that play?

You really think they dont script the plays they are going to run and practice them?

You really think nobody sat down with him to get down what his assignments and so are?

 

if wright wasn't ready to play he should have said it.

 

i mean why you think harbaugh was so furious that he even spoke about a player?

 

you guys seriously need to stop treating these guys like they are some mentally challenged players with no speaking ability and should not be trusted to do anything.

[ravensdfan]

like i said i know it wasn't the smartest  play to call.

 

but you cant deny that if wright did what he was supposed to do we would not be talking about it.

 

Do you truly believe neither harbough nor pees had a talk with him about if he is capable of playing and what he can or could not do?

Do you truly believe he had no idea about that play?

You really think they dont script the plays they are going to run and practice them?

You really think nobody sat down with him to get down what his assignments and so are?

 

if wright wasn't ready to play he should have said it.

 

i mean why you think harbaugh was so furious that he even spoke about a player?

 

you guys seriously need to stop treating these guys like they are some mentally challenged players with no speaking ability and should not be trusted to do anything.

And you need to stop treating Pees like he's the same.

 

Is Pees responsible for anything in your eyes when it fails? Or only when it is successful?

[Tru11]

And you need to stop treating Pees like he's the same.

 

Is Pees responsible for anything in your eyes when it fails? Or only when it is successful?

 

if you read the very first sentence you might notice it.

 

i have pretty much criticize him alot for playing certain players not to their strength when we had the option to do so.

check them old elam and brown threads and there a few more.

 

i already said he aint the guy to inspire players nor he is the guy that seems to be very strict which a young core like ours probably needs that.

i also said he should probably push some of his position coaches more cause  players are having tackling issues and communication issues and it does not seem to be resolved.

 

heck ive defended players plenty of times when they did what was asked and the opponent still made the play.

 

he been the DC since 2012 so gl going through all the threads if you want to proof im lying.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Tru11

[jazz1988]

like i said i know it wasn't the smartest  play to call.

 

but you cant deny that if wright did what he was supposed to do we would not be talking about it.

 

Do you truly believe neither harbough nor pees had a talk with him about if he is capable of playing and what he can or could not do?

Do you truly believe he had no idea about that play?

You really think they dont script the plays they are going to run and practice them?

You really think nobody sat down with him to get down what his assignments and so are?

 

if wright wasn't ready to play he should have said it.

 

i mean why you think harbaugh was so furious that he even spoke about a player?

 

you guys seriously need to stop treating these guys like they are some mentally challenged players with no speaking ability and should not be trusted to do anything.

 

I honestly not sure if Wright had  no idea about that play at all . He definitely look lost on that second touchdown  he gave up which is understandable for a new guy. I don't think it's really realistic to expect new a guy that doesn't have any knowledge of the play book or know any one besides Jimmy Smith to be ready to go to the point he can cover one of the better deep threats in the league.

 

I think Harbaugh was just anger because he's really tired of seeing his cornerbacks getting beat deep/giving up touchdowns(of course losing as well).  Wright bit on the double move which is inexcusable but no way should Harbaugh had high confidence in Wright to cover Torrey Smith on his own with out safety help.In my opinion that's some serious unrealistic expectations when every body knew Wright was the worst cornerback in the league last year..

 

Who ever said anything about players not speaking up?  I know I didn't say that and honestly what player really going to say coach I'm not ready to play in this game. I never really heard that in my life to be honest with you unless they was too injuried to play  and I'm not saying that can't happen but usually it's the head coach  whom decides who play and who doesn't play. I was surprised that Wright even started over  Walker but I guess Harbaugh/Pees don't have alot faith in him yet.

 

 

You admitted your self it wasn't a smart play call and honestly Dean Pees is not in  the position to be making beyound smart decisions at the moment. He's not working with a good defense at all I think he should try his best to make better decisions especially since at that time The Ravens were in a  must win game .Marc Trestman and Joe Flacco can do but for so much why put them in situation where there would be more added pressure on them to score? That doesn't make sense when our only threat  at receiver is Steve Smith.

[Militant X 1]

Didn't see the game, but I can safely say none of our corners, even jimmy is fit to match Torrey Smith in a zero cover defense. We should have been playing single high at minimum virtually every snap.

Often when he was here, any single high or zero coverage look opposing defenses gave us, there was an automatic audible in smiths route to just run deep and fast and Flacco put it up there.

If we had both safety's at the LOS as many have said, I bet both smith and kap immediately knew that smith was to go long and he was to put it up for him.

It's poor coaching to leave anyone on a island with someone as fast as smith. He wasn't a great receiver, but he could damn well beat virtually any corner for speed and pees should have known that.

Unless of course they didn't think kap could hit him.

 

You didn't need to see it!  If you have seen the other 5 games they played...this one was the same ole' same ole'...

 

slow starts

sluggish offense

defense giving up big plays

Flacco tossing bone headed pics

receivers dropping TD's

defense getting stupid penalties and not getting off the field

settling for FG's in the redzone instead of TD's.

offense trying to rally from behind late in the game

 

Yada, yada, yada!

[Tru11]

I honestly not sure if Wright had  no idea about that play at all . He definitely look lost on that second touchdown  he gave up which is understandable for a new guy. I don't think it's really realistic to expect new a guy that doesn't have any knowledge of the play book or know any one besides Jimmy Smith to be ready to go to the point he can cover one of the better deep threats in the league.

 

I think Harbaugh was just anger because he's really tired of seeing his cornerbacks getting beat deep/giving up touchdowns(of course losing as well).  Wright bit on the double move which is inexcusable but no way should Harbaugh had high confidence in Wright to cover Torrey Smith on his own with out safety help.In my opinion that's some serious unrealistic expectations when every body knew Wright was the worst cornerback in the league last year..

 

Who ever said anything about players not speaking up?  I know I didn't say that and honestly what player really going to say coach I'm not ready to play in this game. I never really heard that in my life to be honest with you unless they was too injuried to play  and I'm not saying that can't happen but usually it's the head coach  whom decides who play and who doesn't play. I was surprised that Wright even started over  Walker but I guess Harbaugh/Pees don't have alot faith in him yet.

 

 

You admitted your self it wasn't a smart play call and honestly Dean Pees is not in  the position to be making beyound smart decisions at the moment. He's not working with a good defense at all I think he should try his best to make better decisions especially since at that time The Ravens were in a  must win game .Marc Trestman and Joe Flacco can do but for so much why put them in situation where there would be more added pressure on them to score? That doesn't make sense when our only threat  at receiver is Steve Smith.

 

well when you are desperate you will do things that might not be wise lol

 

walker arrington and asa have show not to be the answer so if they guy comes in and says he has what it take then why not give him the benefit of the doubt.

i mean peas has tried pretty much everything at this point lol.

i doubt anyone expect wright to be revis but keeping a guy in front of you while have 10 yards of advantage is not really to much to ask.

wright is not a slow guy in terms of speed.

i think they expected him to keep torrey in front and not try to be a hero and jump the pass lol

 

would i trust based on last season : hell no.

would i trust based on what he is telling me right now and the state of the CBs and a recommendation by jimmy: well aint got much to loose at this point lol

 

i probably should word it better and i wont blame english not being my main language but what my point is basically:

 

im not saying what he did or did not do is the right/wrong thing but i certainly seeing the circumstances understand what he is trying to do.

 

the man is on the hot seat and he knows it because whether its his fault or not he is the captain so he is the first to go down.

its how things are.

 

also i firmly believe neither the offense nor the defense are doing each other any favours this season.

1 is giving up big plays and points and cant force a 3 and out.

the other is turning the ball over , cant score much and seems to go 3 and out a little bit to much.

might as well throw in special teams with the missed FGs and the coaching staff burning TOs.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Tru11

[January J]

well when you are desperate you will do things that might not be wise lol

 

walker arrington and asa have show not to be the answer so if they guy comes in and says he has what it take then why not give him the benefit of the doubt.

i mean he has tried pretty much everything at this point lol.

i doubt anyone expect him to be revis but keeping a guy in front of you while have 10 yards of advantage is not really to much to ask.

wright is not a slow guy in terms of speed.

i think they expected him to keep torrey in front and not try to be a hero and jump the pass lol

 

should i trust based on last season : hell no.

should i trust based on what he is telling me right now and the state of the CBs and a recommendation by jimmy: well aint got much to loose at this point lol

 

i probably should word it better and i wont blame english not being my main language but what my point is basically:

 

im not saying what he did or did not do is the right/wrong thing but i certainly seeing the circumstances understand what he is trying to do.

 

the man is on the hot seat and he knows it because whether its his fault or not he is the captain so he is the first to go down.

its how things are.

 

also i firmly believe neither the offense nor the defense are doing each other any favours this season.

1 is giving up big plays and points and cant force a 3 and out.

the other is turning the ball over , cant score much and seems to go 3 and out a little bit to much.

might as well throw in special teams with the missed FGs and the coaching staff burning TOs.

we also have to get creative with our blitzes due to a lack of pass rush. Sometimes that means having to rely on our corners to not get burnt. That was probably his only responsibility on that play and he blew it and that's why harbaugh was so pissed.

[Nicky-B]

How much better do you think we'll be by signing other team's rejects?

[Purple_City39]

Who said anything about playing press? No safety help with Torrey Smith running full-speed against a guy who's only been there a couple of days AND is playing 8 yards out. Here comes Torrey gaining speed and then he explodes right off him.

 

Defenses last year knew better against Torrey, but you know....we don't smh.

 

All this is happening because we don't have the pass rush up front, blitzing is not going to help.

Torrey plays pretty much all snaps.  We get no pressure without blitzing.  No secondary can consistently cover with no pass rush.  So what do you do?  Trust your CBs or do nothing and let them get picked apart?

[jazz1988]

Torrey plays pretty much all snaps.  We get no pressure without blitzing.  No secondary can consistently cover with no pass rush.  So what do you do?  Trust your CBs or do nothing and let them get picked apart?

 

You don't need  to have both of your safeties  near the line of scrimmage or  have them  blitz to get a  pass rush going leaving a cornerback that just literally got to your team less than 7 days with no  help. I would understand the play call better if it was Anquan Boldin or overall receivers out there that can't beat you deep but  it's foolish to leave one of our worst cover corner alone with out safety help when there's speedy receiver on the field that's a proven deep threat..

 

There's really no excuse for that play call and even if wasn't Dean Pees call there is no excuse for Will Hill and Kendrick Lewis  to forget Torrey Smith is on the field and leave Wright hanging like that.. If Webb was out there it would be more understandable because he's  a way better cover corner with more experience. 

[HoldingCall]

You don't need  to have both of your safeties  near the line of scrimmage or  have them  blitz to get a  pass rush going leaving a cornerback that just literally got to your team less than 7 days with no  help. I would understand the play call better if it was Anquan Boldin or overall receivers out there that can't beat you deep but  it's foolish to leave one of our worst cover corner alone with out safety help when there's speedy receiver on the field that's a proven deep threat..

 

There's really no excuse for that play call and even if wasn't Dean Pees call there is no excuse for Will Hill and Kendrick Lewis  to forget Torrey Smith is on the field and leave Wright hanging like that.. If Webb was out there it would be more understandable because he's  a way better cover corner with more experience. 

I agree with you here, and I am sure they wish they could have that play back; a blundering gamble indeed.

[Raven_Lunatic]

That wasn't a gamble, that was russian roulette...and bang! Lol

[Dfence4champs2052]

And the 49ers are getting embarrassed on TNF. I know this isn't college football, but does that make our loss to them look worse? 

[Dfence4champs2052]

Didn't see the game, but I can safely say none of our corners, even jimmy is fit to match Torrey Smith in a zero cover defense. We should have been playing single high at minimum virtually every snap.

Often when he was here, any single high or zero coverage look opposing defenses gave us, there was an automatic audible in smiths route to just run deep and fast and Flacco put it up there.

If we had both safety's at the LOS as many have said, I bet both smith and kap immediately knew that smith was to go long and he was to put it up for him.

It's poor coaching to leave anyone on a island with someone as fast as smith. He wasn't a great receiver, but he could damn well beat virtually any corner for speed and pees should have known that.

Unless of course they didn't think kap could hit him.

 

 

Oooooops lol. Honestly I don't think anyone thought we were THAT bad. Then the 49ers came.

[Militant X 1]

And the 49ers are getting embarrassed on TNF. I know this isn't college football, but does that make our loss to them look worse? 

 

Naw!  It just means that these teams get geared up to play the Ravens and the Ravens never seem to match those teams intensity from the start of the game until the end to win.  No doubt Torrey and Q was looking forward to that game last week!  Pretty sure they had it marked on their calendars. 

 

They both showed up and showed out while the Ravens receiving core looked and played well below mediocre at best (with the exception of SSS).  So, the teams that beat us one week lose badly the next.  That's what we're witnessing for the most part imo!

Edited October 23, 2015 by Militant X 1

[AirforceOne79]

Naw!  It just means that these teams get geared up to play the Ravens and the Ravens never seem to match those teams intensity from the start of the game until the end to win.  No doubt Torrey and Q was looking forward to that game last week!  Pretty sure they had it marked on their calendars. 

 

They both showed up and showed out while the Ravens receiving core looked and played well below mediocre at best (with the exception of SSS).  So, the teams that beat us one week lose badly the next.  That's what we're witnessing for the most part imo!

 

Nah, the Ravens are just that bad.....the defense that is.

[Static]

We made the 49ers look like the 2007 patriots but Then they played a real defense and Got 3 freaking Points.

[codizzle]

How bad is our defense hahaha

[CalvinSmoke]

Ray Lewis as a coach... No thanks. Idk if I'm in the minority here, but I can't handle him taking credit for our teams and ir players success anymore. He's runner me the wrong way lately.