The Good, the bad and ugly vs 49ers

[gtalk12]

I'm telling you, it's lack of focus with Joe Flacco. It's like he wakes up everyday and is like "is it the playoffs yet? no? ok I'm not going to show up".

 

I don't get the man but I still love the dude.

 

He threw one ball up and prayed it would not be an INT. I saw him hold the ball and run around, and STILL nobody was getting open.

 

The run game is not good enough to hide the fact our WR's can not get open fast enough. Even with all that extra time he had. He forced MANY throws into tight windows that honestly our WR's can't make with the exception of a 5'9 WR who is 76 years old with a horrible back. This is the guy we rely on day in and day out.

 

Watching Boldin and Torrey torch us was painful, with who Flacco has become and in this offense we could have really used the both of them.

 

I ived through the Boller years, we will be alright come offseason with a top pick. Give it time, that SB run set us a back a bit. We have lost way way too many players and last year with the genius of Kubiak and the run game managed to get into the playoffs and do damage.

 

 

The real difference I see now is that the defense has all but vanished. We don't play with intensity anymore -See Titans game last year when Brooks MAULED the TE. That is all but gone.

 

RAVENS ALL DAY EVERYDAY. WE WILL BE BACK TO THE PROMISED LAND MEN, PATIENCE

Edited October 19, 2015 by gtalk12

[rmcjacket23]

He said "single coverage". Look back at the film. It was cover zero. No safety help. NO ONE has demanded playing cover zero. Not me at my least.

If you want to have your cake and eat it too, meaning play more man coverage AND get to the QB, Cover 0 is a coverage you're going to have to play quite often.

 

For what its worth, in Cover 0 on that play, there's only one thing Wright is responsible for... and its the exact opposite of what he did.

Edited October 19, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[sharkh20]

Man coverage. That's what that was. Man coverage consistently played doesn't mean you get safety help over the top all the time.

 

You play the right coverage, and it doesn't matter how fast he is, because the corner's got a 10 yard head start to the pylon.

 

You want pressure on the QB on a team with only one legitimate pass rusher, there's only one way to do it. 

 

Sounds like we've identified a weakness in the whole "lets play more man coverage theory". Explain to me how you can successfully play man coverage consistently with these corners when the only way to get pressure on the QB is to blitz?

He was also playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage when he got burnt on the deep ball which is the exact opposite of what people were asking for.  When you play that far off, you have to guess the route.  You are planted waiting instead of moving with your guy.  You are forced to make a decision of whether you should try and jump the 10 yard route or turn your hips and guess deep pass.  Wright tried to play the out and got beat on the double move.  It has happened in this defense so many time now when playing off.  Pees says he puts the players back there to protect the deep route and yet every time we have them off and the other team runs a deep route, they are wide open.  

 

Nobody was asking for single man coverage only.  Everyone was asking for don't play off 10-15 yards off every play.  Once we started playing up in the second half, we started causing 3 and outs which we haven't done all season playing off.  Wright just happened to fall down in coverage on the second TD.  Everyone else on the field was well covered.

 

Even if you have your guys play 3-5 yards off, it makes it much easier on the decision making.  If they are trying to beat you deep, their move is typically deeper than 5 yards, which means you are already on them when they are making a move.  Your job is simple at that point.  Just stick with your man.  No guessing.

 

Nobody was asking that we bring both safeties up on each play either.  

Edited October 19, 2015 by sharkh20

[HoldingCall]

It was behind, but not low. It hit him right in both hands

I will agree that we disagree. I saw both attempts and believe one of the missed TD attempts can be blamed on SSS but not the other. Either way the team could have won in more ways than the missed passes to SSS and they just couldn't do it. They keep finding ways to lose and that's the signature of a bad team.

[ashoganesyan]

after the first few losses I still had hope, I still thought this team will come together because the core was there and because they showed glimpses of promise. But after yesterday's loss, I will say that even though I am still gonna cheer for them, realistically this team is really bad. I mean apart from Steve Smith Sr. who came in after a back injury and was throwing himself around the field and hustling the hardest, there is nothing else positive. The staple of these Ravens team has always been their defense. They have always been able to rely on their defense no matter what the situation was. I means teams would be scared to come out and play against the Raven's defense, they would terrorize people. Thats far gone now, I can't even call it a shell of what it was. There is zero leadership on both sides of the field and the secondary can't catch or tip a single ball, every quarterback who has played against us has set the most yards on the year, that's embarrassing to this team that other teams were just afraid to throw the ball against. The offense has also not showed anything, The running game is mediocre at best, except for Smith the receivers don't show any hustle, and the offensive line is having trouble, and sorry to say this but Flacco is not worth the money the Ravens have paid him. He is the most inconsistent quarterback. You never know which Flacco you are going to get and so far this season every game we have gotten an average Flacco. He cannot lead this team and after each loss he doesn't even seem like he is disappointed! he has this look like well hey it happens. Thats not the way a quarterback, SuperBowl MVP, and a hundred million dollar man should look like after a season like this. Im sorry but he is nowhere close to elite. And I really think he was just lucky to be a part of this team who had a stellar defense that won the superbowl, he is no Brady, no Rogers, no Luck, no Manning, no Newton, not even a Stafford. This team came out this year thinking its gonna be easy, having high hopes for themselves, and haven't showed anything, they need to go back to the basics and come out and play the gritty hustling football that they have showed in their successful times. And Coach H. needs to just admit that he has a bad team right now, he has to stop saying that they are gonna get it done because he looks worse and worse after each loss. He his great coach but he needs to come out and say hey we joked it this year, we gotta go back to the drawing board, and get ourselves together because right now, we are a terrible team, as a whole.   

[Pino]

i just wanna commend you guys and all of us, really, as fans. i don't see anyone jumping off a bridge with others to follow. everyone's pretty level-headed and trying to take the most honest look at the team and really trying to get the bottom of it. i say this because the buffalo bills fanbase is basically in a civil war over their  QB situation or defcon 1 because their defense hasn't played to expectations. they are insulting eachother, accusing others of being trolls, banning members from their forums, and calling for the immediate firing of rex ryan and the GM... meanwhile they're sitting at 3-3. god i'd feel so good right now if we were 3-3

Edited October 20, 2015 by Pino

[rmcjacket23]

He was also playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage when he got burnt on the deep ball which is the exact opposite of what people were asking for.  When you play that far off, you have to guess the route.  You are planted waiting instead of moving with your guy.  You are forced to make a decision of whether you should try and jump the 10 yard route or turn your hips and guess deep pass.  Wright tried to play the out and got beat on the double move.  It has happened in this defense so many time now when playing off.  Pees says he puts the players back there to protect the deep route and yet every time we have them off and the other team runs a deep route, they are wide open.  

 

Nobody was asking for single man coverage only.  Everyone was asking for don't play off 10-15 yards off every play.  Once we started playing up in the second half, we started causing 3 and outs which we haven't done all season playing off.  Wright just happened to fall down in coverage on the second TD.  Everyone else on the field was well covered.

 

Even if you have your guys play 3-5 yards off, it makes it much easier on the decision making.  If they are trying to beat you deep, their move is typically deeper than 5 yards, which means you are already on them when they are making a move.  Your job is simple at that point.  Just stick with your man.  No guessing.

 

Nobody was asking that we bring both safeties up on each play either.  

Nope, but everybody was asking to get more pressure on the QB. And when you can't get there with 4, you've got to bring more.

 

This is a byproduct of what happens when you blitz and don't get there. 

 

We want something we can't have with the personnel on this team currently. We can't have 4-5 man pressure get there AND have quality secondary coverage. We don't have the horses for that. 

[January J]

after the first few losses I still had hope, I still thought this team will come together because the core was there and because they showed glimpses of promise. But after yesterday's loss, I will say that even though I am still gonna cheer for them, realistically this team is really bad. I mean apart from Steve Smith Sr. who came in after a back injury and was throwing himself around the field and hustling the hardest, there is nothing else positive. The staple of these Ravens team has always been their defense. They have always been able to rely on their defense no matter what the situation was. I means teams would be scared to come out and play against the Raven's defense, they would terrorize people. Thats far gone now, I can't even call it a shell of what it was. There is zero leadership on both sides of the field and the secondary can't catch or tip a single ball, every quarterback who has played against us has set the most yards on the year, that's embarrassing to this team that other teams were just afraid to throw the ball against. The offense has also not showed anything, The running game is mediocre at best, except for Smith the receivers don't show any hustle, and the offensive line is having trouble, and sorry to say this but Flacco is not worth the money the Ravens have paid him. He is the most inconsistent quarterback. You never know which Flacco you are going to get and so far this season every game we have gotten an average Flacco. He cannot lead this team and after each loss he doesn't even seem like he is disappointed! he has this look like well hey it happens. Thats not the way a quarterback, SuperBowl MVP, and a hundred million dollar man should look like after a season like this. Im sorry but he is nowhere close to elite. And I really think he was just lucky to be a part of this team who had a stellar defense that won the superbowl, he is no Brady, no Rogers, no Luck, no Manning, no Newton, not even a Stafford. This team came out this year thinking its gonna be easy, having high hopes for themselves, and haven't showed anything, they need to go back to the basics and come out and play the gritty hustling football that they have showed in their successful times. And Coach H. needs to just admit that he has a bad team right now, he has to stop saying that they are gonna get it done because he looks worse and worse after each loss. He his great coach but he needs to come out and say hey we joked it this year, we gotta go back to the drawing board, and get ourselves together because right now, we are a terrible team, as a whole.

funny it seemed to me like the offense carried us through that entire 2012 Super Bowl run. Although The defense was known for being extremely physical , they had regressed quite a bit. You can't even argue with 12 tds and zero interceptions. Cmon that's just silly. It's also funny he has more wins since he came in the league than all those quarterbacks you listed. He's actually tied with manning I believe. So yeah. Your a little off. He could be doing better this year, but it's obvious he is trying to force things due to a lack of weapons. And you never hear him complaining or making excuses about having had a new OC every single year he's been in the nfl.

[redrum52]

What? WHO on the forum has been demanding the team let a few agent Bench warmer play cover zero(single coverage) against one of the fastest WR's in the league?

Since last year when we had a mash unit at CB. You really haven't seen it? Usually accompanied with soft zone, 3 man rush, doesn't blitz... Doesn't ring a bell?

Isn't this what people wanted? Man blitzes and no more zone? Trust the back end right? Well, here you go...

Edited October 20, 2015 by redrum52

[Cillmatic]

Since last year when we had a mash unit at CB. You really haven't seen it? Usually accompanied with soft zone, 3 man rush, doesn't blitz... Doesn't ring a bell?

Isn't this what people wanted? Man blitzes and no more zone? Trust the back end right? Well, here you go...

Wasn't me so the "irony" you were speaking of doesn't apply to me. (:

[redrum52]

Wasn't me so the "irony" you were speaking of doesn't apply to me. (:

I wasn't saying you. I'm pretty you asked who was asking. I just told you what I've seen.

[ravensdfan]

Also felt it was kind of crappy to pick on Wright of all people. What about everyone else that has played terribly in the previous 5 weeks? It's not like this is new, and we pick on the player that had been here the shortest amount of time.

Not only that, Wright was put in the most horrible position as well. On Torrey, all alone. WTH?

[Tru11]

I wasn't saying you. I'm pretty you asked who was asking. I just told you what I've seen.

 

yup all those DCs in the pees thread made some top notch recommendations that worked like a charm   

he should do this or he should do that if not he should get fired.

he does it and it fails , fire him anyways.

 

priceless 

Edited October 20, 2015 by Tru11

[Purple_City39]

yup all those DCs in the pees thread made some top notch recommendations that worked like a charm   

he should this or he should or he should get fired.

he does it and it fails , fire him anyways.

 

priceless 

I don't think Pees is as bad as some make him out to be, and I don't think he's great either, but it amazes me that people actually think the problem is more with the DC than the talent on defense.  Then again, people still think CBs play 10 yards off on every single play because Pees tells them to so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[gtalk12]

I don't think Pees is as bad as some make him out to be, and I don't think he's great either, but it amazes me that people actually think the problem is more with the DC than the talent on defense.  Then again, people still think CBs play 10 yards off on every single play because Pees tells them to so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

 

On that 76 yard TD to Smith, the CB played about 8-9 yards off Torrey

[Tru11]

On that 76 yard TD to Smith, the CB played about 8-9 yards off Torrey

 

that is actually pretty standard when its zero coverage lol.

 

pretty much every CB in the NFL gives the WR space when its man to man and there is there no safety over the top and they line up against a speedster.

 

even revis , PP, Sherman and you name it.

 

on that coverage they have only 1 assignment  which is dont get beat deep and wright was actually playing it well till he fell for the stop and go.

[JEEPercreepermd]

You better get that sports almanac back from Biff Tannen, Marty McFly

Nice, underhanded and soft. Just how I like it.

[ravensdfan]

that is actually pretty standard when its zero coverage lol.

 

pretty much every CB in the NFL gives the WR space when its man to man and there is there no safety over the top and they line up against a speedster.

 

even revis , PP, Sherman and you name it.

 

on that coverage they have only 1 assignment  which is dont get beat deep and wright was actually playing it well till he fell for the stop and go.

A place Wright never should have been. A place Arrington never should have been. Twice. A place Chykie never should have been last season. These are bad bad bad decisions. Now tell me they aren't Pees decisions and the guys line up anywhere they like.

 

Either way, ANY coach who week after week throws his players under the bus with statements like "I just call the plays" "Week 1 proves the scheme works" (though we've not seen those disguised blitzes since), "the scheme is fine, it's the players"  has lost their players and it shows. They have no fire nor passion nor desire. They aren't buying what he's selling and no wonder. He has become a problem beyond his old school theme that doesn't work in the 21st century.

Edited October 20, 2015 by ravensdfan

[Tru11]

A place Wright never should have been. A place Arrington never should have been. Twice. A place Chykie never should have been last season. These are bad bad bad decisions. Now tell me they aren't Pees decisions and the guys line up anywhere they like.

 

who would you have played there?

[ravensdfan]

who would you have played there?

4 days. The man was here for 4 days. And we put him on an island with Torrey, who we know well what he does. Please. No excuse.

[Tru11]

4 days. The man was here for 4 days. And we put him on an island with Torrey, who we know well what he does. Please. No excuse.

 

who would you have played there?

[usmccharles]

4 days. The man was here for 4 days. And we put him on an island with Torrey, who we know well what he does. Please. No excuse.

you don't need an extended amount of time in a new system to play one on one... He got beat by a fast guy, that's it.

[rmw10]

you don't need an extended amount of time in a new system to play one on one... He got beat by a fast guy, that's it.

Oh yeah for sure. I think the bigger issue is leaving said player 1-on-1 vs. a guy that we should know very well. Not to excuse Wright, but I think he was put in an awful situation.

[redrum52]

Oh yeah for sure. I think the bigger issue is leaving said player 1-on-1 vs. a guy that we should know very well. Not to excuse Wright, but I think he was put in an awful situation.

In Pees defense, it's not like Wright didn't practice against him. He was on the same team. Have some pride as a player. He essentially showed why they cut him.

[usmccharles]

Oh yeah for sure. I think the bigger issue is leaving said player 1-on-1 vs. a guy that we should know very well. Not to excuse Wright, but I think he was put in an awful situation.

agreed, that's exactly what I said before. You don't leave a guy like that one on one with no help over the top with someone that fast. And he bit pretty hard.

[rmw10]

In Pees defense, it's not like Wright didn't practice against him. He was on the same team. Have some pride as a player. He essentially showed why they cut him.

Even practicing against him, I think it's clear that Wright's skill against Torrey's skill is a distinct disadvantage to Wright.

[redrum52]

Even practicing against him, I think it's clear that Wright's skill against Torrey's skill is a distinct disadvantage to Wright.

Not saying you, but according to most here, Torrey can't run routes, catch and forced our QB to throw numerous picks. He vanishes from games. Are you saying Wright is that awful?

Don't answer that last question. I'm friends with Chargers fans and I have an idea of the response...

[rmw10]

Not saying you, but according to most here, Torrey can't run routes, catch and forced our QB to throw numerous picks. He vanishes from games. Are you saying Wright is that awful?

Don't answer that last question. I'm friends with Chargers fans and I have an idea of the response...

Not going to pretend Wright is good at all. I hated the signing and still think he's a very bad player. My biggest issue is that he was put in the worst possible situation. 1-on-1, playing off against one of the fastest WRs in the league. He has to react to what Torrey does when plays that far off. It's hard for any CB to do much with that coverage with no help. Wright gave us the worst case scenario of course. Most guys will take the PI and call it a good play. Wright isn't exempt from blame, but the play call did him absolutely no favors.

[Tru11]

well if it wasn't wright it would have been arrington or walker.

 

don't see any of them doing better.

 

heck jimmy got burned by boldin of all people....

 

also i don't understand why people all of a sudden don't agree with that play call.

they want pressure , they want blitzes, they want more man cov, they want no prevent.

 

seriously since week 3 we have been doing this and it has not been pretty at all.

 

also please dont bring up playing press.

 

jimmy our best CB doing that tried it and it pretty much lost us valuable time getting flagged and it got melvin benched and cut.

 

you wanna know why they dont press or play closer ^^^^

Edited October 20, 2015 by Tru11

[ashoganesyan]

funny it seemed to me like the offense carried us through that entire 2012 Super Bowl run. Although The defense was known for being extremely physical , they had regressed quite a bit. You can't even argue with 12 tds and zero interceptions. Cmon that's just silly. It's also funny he has more wins since he came in the league than all those quarterbacks you listed. He's actually tied with manning I believe. So yeah. Your a little off. He could be doing better this year, but it's obvious he is trying to force things due to a lack of weapons. And you never hear him complaining or making excuses about having had a new OC every single year he's been in the nfl.

No you are right, i kinda underrated the offensive in 2012, but realistically, Baltimore paid Flacco over a hundred million dollars after the superbowl win, and so far since then he has looked pretty average. Don't get me wrong he has his games and he has glimpses of being great, but overall he has been very inconsistent. And I would say that he actually performs better in the playoffs but you gotta get to the playoffs first before performing there and thats been kinda tough ever since the superbowl. But you are right, his lack of weapons and a new OC every year doesn't make life on him any easier. Hopefully next year they can pick up a few good receivers for Flacco there are a bunch of good free agent WR next year, Harvin or Jeffrey would be solid pick ups