The Good, the bad and ugly vs 49ers

[Underdogsontop!]

I saw some purple though. At least what I could see on my TV.

I was the loudest cheering purple guy there! lol rocking a Mosley jersey.

[cookiedood]

I will leave the venting and bashing to everyone else. I just want to remind the real Raven fans that this season is really a blessing in disguise. The NFL is setup differently than any other professional sport, and the entire concept is set up to provide parrity throughout the league.The draft order and the salary cap are the two steps that keep every team in contention. Teams that are consistently winners year in and year out, are not rewarded with high draft picks and are constantly drafting near the bottom of every round. If the Ravens are be a contender again, then they need to have a few losing seasons in order to rebuild the team through the draft. The teams that are the exceptions to this are the teams that are blessed with Hall of Fame quarterbacks, who can usually find a way to keep their teams in contention even with draft picks from the lower tier. The Ravens unfortuneately do not have that type of quarterback. I do not mean this as a slur on Joe Flacco, because I think that Joe is a lot better than most people give him credit for. What I am saying is this: Just relax and be patient, this is not their year, but don;t give up on them, because this season as bad as it seams is really a good thing, because we will now be drafting from the top tier, and that can make a huge difference for the future.

[HoldingCall]

The Good: Not as many injuries this week; Ross wasn't bad; OL; DL.

The Bad: Slow starts continue; another QB had a good day; no safety help for the new cb watching Torrey.

The Ugly: Watching the team play slightly below the level of competition each week. Seeing Torrey and Anquan in red and knowing with either one, the Ravens are likely 4-2 at worst, 6-0 at best, in spite of team list of injuries and penalties.

[HoldingCall]

Ray's a great motivator without question.  I'd love to see evidence that he can scheme for an entire defense though.

Ray Lewis definitely understood what was beside and in front of him but the best IQ players usually don't want to be coaches, look at John Elway and Ozzie Newson.

[HoldingCall]

Question: Why assign Wright to cover Torrey (without help), the #2 WR from the team you just got cut from because you couldn't cover the receivers? If I didn't know better, I'd think this was a Los Vegas designed move.

Edited October 19, 2015 by HoldingCall

[HoldingCall]

That lack of hustle during the 2 minute drill irks me bad though

And then the time it used up after the snap to launch the bomb down field.

[BSHU_Miami]

I'll say it again, what really killed me was seeing only one raven in the area of the ball during the Hail Mary. Is Steve smith the only person who wants to win? On the replay Crockett didn't even make it to the end zone. That was a shame. It looked like we really just gave up today.

[HoldingCall]

Lets admit the fact that there were already problems seen last season. The lack of quality talent beyond the starters was already obvious. Factor in the exit of Gary Kubiak (a winning OC), his staff and some players who went with him, then McPhee and Torrey in FA. The team is left with a gap in quality coaching and players that has been magnified by injuries. Their replacements haven't quite measured up.

[52520Andrew]

Just in case you were curious about how long it takes to fly back here after the west coast games, the Ravens just landed at KBWI.

[Inqui]

Just in case you were curious about how long it takes to fly back here after the west coast games, the Ravens just landed at KBWI.

I wonder if I've got time to catch them for autographs.

[usmccharles]

Flacco has cost this team 3 games this season with his turnovers and resulting scores. The secondary has been brutal as well. Time to bench him. He say's the SAME things after every game "My Fault". So why keep him in there!?!?! Tired of this crap every week!!!

Yep. Flacco dropped that easy TD against Denver Week 1.  He dropped those two EZ catches today as well.  And what is a QB suppose to say, he should say its his fault, he gets the credit when we win, he gets it when we lose.  Bench him is absolutley is absolutly no solution, a solution would be to get us a playmaker not named SSR.  Its clear Joe only trust him, i dont blame him.

 

And what is up with our tackling? or lack there of?  To see Mosely stiffarmed by a FB just made me shake my head.  Ray would of ran that dude over. 

[Stakemate]

Despite this being a horrible season, pretty much playing without a secondary and only having one legit WR, I think it is interesting to see that in all games we have had the ball within the last two minutes to win the games.

 

Our biggest defeat was the one at Denver (6 points.) For a team that would allow even me to throw for 300+ yards, we still find a way to keep things close. 

I would like to see us spending the rest of the season getting the future talent into the mix, even if it means losing some (more) stupid games along the way. Utilise the talented TE's more, be more aggressive offensively (like 3rd and 4th quarter yesterday,) find out who are worth keeping for next season including coaches.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Stakemate

[rmcjacket23]

I completely LOL'd when we had to dump it down on a flea flicker because our WR couldn't get open.... How pathetic.

I was trying to think if I've ever even see a flea flicker where the completion went to the RB who did the pitch. I can't recall a time I've seen that, though I'm sure it's happened.

[BmoreBird22]

Beat me to it. Just saw this post after stating basically the same thing. Good call.

People are way too reactionary and emotional on this board

[BmoreBird22]

How sad is it that I'm most impressed by what Jeremy Ross has done recently and he was a practice squad player two weeks ago? That just speaks volumes to the "talent" on the team

[JEEPercreepermd]

So, is everyone STILL fairweather fans for calling 1-5 for what it is..game over. ?

[Tartan Raven]

When a team is struggling you need the best players on the team to step up and lead by example. Please don't mistake this as me saying these players aren't good enough, but we need a lot more from them right now!

Flacco- too many horrible interceptions

SSS - too many dropped chances

J Smith - gave up some big plays

Mosley - struggling at times in his 2nd year

O-line - too inconsistent in run and pass protect has been very poor imo

Then there are others who are just not playing to the best of their ability... Will hill, Jernigan

Only original roster players I think are deserving of a Ravens jersey right now are Brandon Williams, Forsett, and Gilmore ( I know he dropped pass in week 1 but that's one mistake, rest are talking weekly mistakes). Rest have shown poor heart and fight and are letting everyone down including themselves.

Please also note that none of the above are backups! Stop blaming injuries. You have a 53man roster every week and a practice squad. It's not who has the best starters on paper, its which players perform best on the day.

[jimmypowder]

The defense has so much talent its sickening to see this, Dean pees must go NOW!!!!!

I'm not so sure about that .

[usmccharles]

So, is everyone STILL fairweather fans for calling 1-5 for what it is..game over. ?

No, its called being realistic

[Ravens4Real]

At some point, people need to stop questioning the coaching decisions and begin to question the perceived talent, on this team. Because we have guys that either played way over their head, in the past or are just not doing very well this year.

Wagner, Forsett, Flacco, Osemele, Jernigan, Dumervil, Upshaw, D. Smith, Mosley, J Smith have all seemed to of regressed. It doesn't help when almost every guy the FO has brought in has been a complete disaster. Losing Kendrick Lewis isn't that big of a deal because he literally did nothing to deserve his starting position to begin with.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Ravens4Real

[January J]

Well it's official- the Ravens just aren't that good. They always try to give one little push when it's too late just to get your hopes up , only to come up short. This was the last game I was giving them to " turn things around" .. And it was the same old story. Here are my thoughts.

1) this team cannot tackle, cannot cover, and cannot catch. The 3 basic fundamentals of football. I knew the Ravens were going to lose on the very first play of the game. All teams have to do is run to one side of the feild and then cut back and reverse directions and this defense is so slow and stupid they get fooled every time. They cannot contain. Give them one little juke and they fall down. When you get burnt by a fullback you know something is wrong.

2) sharice WRONG. One teams trash is another teams ....trash . We continue to think we can patch up weaknesses with little band aids. Obviously you get what you pay for. I just knew Torrey was gonna burn us atleast once. It was inevitable. Nothing more to say here, just made another sub par qb look like a joe Montana. It's pretty embarrassing. We had a potential 3 interceptions if our guys could actually catch. Too bad they can't.

3) once again, harbaugh displays horrible clock management , and horrible timeout management . Why in the world he challenged that boldin catch il never know , whether it was the ppl upstairs who told him to or not- it's no excuse. You have the power to veto as the coach. Another blown timeout in a close game that could have potentially given us an extra 3 or 4 plays on that last drive. Makes no sense to me how these ppl get paid millions of dollars to make decisions like this and fail to execute on the feild. I love harbaugh to death but his clock, challenge, and timeout management has always frustrated the hell out of me.

We can never get off the feild on third down. 31st in the league. And when we finally do on the niners last drive it gets negated by a defensive holding call on jimmy that gave them a first down. Typical Ravens. That took off atleast another 1:00 that we would have had on our last drive. It's always something. We did a good job cutting down on the penalties - but when we commit one its at the most inoppurtune time.

4) flaccos not innocent here. Although he had two (or 3)potential tds dropped early on that could have changed the whole dynamic of the game, once again throws an interception where it's like he doesn't even see the defender. Then he throws another of his back foot that killed the first drive of the second half. He usually doesn't make poor decisions like that but this year you can tell he's just trying to force things bc nobody's open! And every single time we run a play action he has a defender right In his face. I just don't understand bc once the game is almost over and were in a hole all of a sudden our offense just opens up and starts humming!? Where was that play calling earlier in the game? How bout we play with a sense of urgency and be aggressive the entire game. We're 1-5 for christs sake.

Sadly were done, this was the last opportunity for us to get it together. After the Michigan v Michigan st. Ending the night before it was clear this is just not the harbaughs year. Then Pittsburgh beats Arizona with a third string qb! Cincis still undefeated and Cleveland damn near took out Denver in overtime. It's just not in the cards this year. You could point out a million different reasons, but it doesn't even matter, the point is were just not a good football team. Doesn't matter what the wildcard picture looks like if you just can't win games. Rant over. Along with the season.

Edited October 19, 2015 by January J

[Guest]

Flacco has cost this team 3 games this season with his turnovers and resulting scores. The secondary has been brutal as well. Time to bench him. He say's the SAME things after every game "My Fault". So why keep him in there!?!?! Tired of this crap every week!!!

 

I'm not good at spotting Stooler Trolls, but in your first post you hit on something that needs to be considered.  Why can't our 20 million dollar QB play an elevated game when we have to have it?

 

The short answer is that he is flawed and needs the proper "tools" around him to be effective. 

 

What's even more troubling is that this is not the first rodeo for denying him those tools and I don't blame Joe Flacco for that.

 

It begins with the running game and we did not firmly establish a good running game. There's a lot of happy talk about our Offensive Line, but in regard to the run in this game that's all it is.....Happy Talk.

 

Our QB had a 77 rating....We made an All Pro out of Kaepernick with a 128 rating.

 

We literally have no secondary and our receivers and Joes rapport with them is laughable....save an injured S.Smith who probably should not have been playing this game and gets a pass for his mistakes.

 

We don't have good horses, but that is not Flacco's fault.

[Purple_ICE 81]

This just aint our year, things could not be going any worse for us. And to top it off the Steelers continue to win with backup QBs with Roethelisberger about to return, and the damn Browns are even playing better than us.

Our defense looks immature, weak, and seriously unmotivated out there. I feel like at this point we just HAVE to fire Dean Pees. Hopefully in turn we can maybe give our defense a much needed push in a better direction, similar to when we fired Cam Cameron in 2012 and our terrible offense made some improvements.

Aside from Old Man Peyton, every other QB we faced has absolutely NUKED our defense, and at this point the missed tackles, awful penalties, and overall lack of motivation out there is unacceptable.

Our team literally looks like a few veterans playing with high schoolers out there, high schoolers who just want the game to be over already so they can go home and play Xbox or something.

All I kept thinking after the loss yesterday is somewhere out there right now Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are shedding tears thinking to themselves "Daaaaamn my team needs me right now".

It's crazy how much Rays loud mouth pregame speeches really got our guys fired up and motivated to play. We could be undermanned, injured, or just flatout untalented and Ray and Ed could motivate young guys to step up and win games, and if we didn't win our guys would be fired up enough to go out and play with 150% effort.

Still can't believe we are 1-5 right now. Absolutely can't believe it

[rmcjacket23]

At some point, people need to stop questioning the coaching decisions and begin to question the perceived talent, on this team. Because we have guys that either played way over their head, in the past or are just not doing very well this year.

Wagner, Forsett, Flacco, Osemele, Jernigan, Dumervil, Upshaw, D. Smith, Mosley, J Smith have all seemed to of regressed. It doesn't help when almost every guy the FO has brought in has been a complete disaster. Losing Kendrick Lewis isn't that big of a deal because he literally did nothing to deserve his starting position to begin with.

Coaches coach and players play.

 

There isn't a scheme that any coach runs that says "give up big plays and miss a bunch of tackles", and that's precisely what this defense has been doing for weeks now.

[Ravens2343]

At some point, people need to stop questioning the coaching decisions and begin to question the perceived talent, on this team. Because we have guys that either played way over their head, in the past or are just not doing very well this year.

Wagner, Forsett, Flacco, Osemele, Jernigan, Dumervil, Upshaw, D. Smith, Mosley, J Smith have all seemed to of regressed. It doesn't help when almost every guy the FO has brought in has been a complete disaster. Losing Kendrick Lewis isn't that big of a deal because he literally did nothing to deserve his starting position to begin with.

 

I am not defending everyone, but Forsett is playing well this year even against stacked boxes.  Mosley is being asked to cover speed running backs like Duke Johnson and people wonder why he is getting burned.  In Jimmy and Dumveril's case, they both are good and playing well but they don't have anyone opposite of them to help them.  Dumveril is our ONLY pass rusher, teams just double him and leave Upshaw on the other side standing there.  This team Is not very good, but there is a ton of talent on this team and until Pees is fired and the replacement stinks I will not believe anything different.

[atomicfront]

Yep. Flacco dropped that easy TD against Denver Week 1.  He dropped those two EZ catches today as well.  And what is a QB suppose to say, he should say its his fault, he gets the credit when we win, he gets it when we lose.  Bench him is absolutley is absolutly no solution, a solution would be to get us a playmaker not named SSR.  Its clear Joe only trust him, i dont blame him.

 

And what is up with our tackling? or lack there of?  To see Mosely stiffarmed by a FB just made me shake my head.  Ray would of ran that dude over. 

 

Mosley is the most overrated player on the team. 

[usmccharles]

Mosley is the most overrated player on the team.

I don't know how to adress this..

[rmcjacket23]

I am not defending everyone, but Forsett is playing well this year even against stacked boxes.  Mosley is being asked to cover speed running backs like Duke Johnson and people wonder why he is getting burned.  In Jimmy and Dumveril's case, they both are good and playing well but they don't have anyone opposite of them to help them.  Dumveril is our ONLY pass rusher, teams just double him and leave Upshaw on the other side standing there.  This team Is not very good, but there is a ton of talent on this team and until Pees is fired and the replacement stinks I will not believe anything different.

There is no scheme on this planet that doesn't require MLBs in a 3-4 defense to cover RBs or TEs. Not one.

 

Changing the coordinator will not in any way change that. 

[Ravens4Real]

There is no scheme on this planet that doesn't require MLBs in a 3-4 defense to cover RBs or TEs. Not one.

Changing the coordinator will not in any way change that.

As stated, linebackers cover TE's and RB's on every team in the NFL. If Mosley is not good enough to do it, then he should simply be used as a two down thumper and be pulled on 3rd downs and obvious passing downs.

[atomicfront]

I don't know man... What Harbaugh said was pretty true and it's not like Wright is a rookie and  he was facing against his old team in which he has practice with since training camp. Nothing really should  have been a  surprise for him even if he hasn't been on The Ravens team long.

 

The guy got beat bad for a two touchdowns by double moves in which one he actually gave up by falling downs. I think that's embrassing even for a guy that's only been on the team for less than 2 weeks.

 

Wright is being used as a scape goat.  If he was good he wouldn't have been waived.  The coaches should have known he wasn't good enough to cover speedy receivers.  He probably won't be on the team long.  Why call out someone you picked to be on the team just a few days before?  If Wright is so bad why is he on the team to begin with?  

 

Harbaugh needs to take responsiblity for his own mistakes.  Like challenging a play that he had no chance in winning which cost the team a valuable time-out which could have been the difference in the game.  Harbaugh didn't get signed a day ago.  He has been doing this for 8 years.  Passing blame on the weakest links when he should be taking it is not what a leader does.  And it is the exact same thing he did last year.  

 

If he is going to blame someone for mistakes it should be people who have been here all season.  The offense had all their starters and they didn't produce well enough.  Why not go there....