Need vs BPA 2016 edition

[rmw10]

On most downs, yeah. On pure passing downs, Nkemdiche could kick out to OLB to be an edge rusher.

He's nearly 300 pounds. I wouldn't expect to see him as an OLB at any point. He may be athletic, but having him work the edge as a standup guy is a stretch.

[RaineV1]

He's nearly 300 pounds. I wouldn't expect to see him as an OLB at any point. He may be athletic, but having him work the edge as a standup guy is a stretch.

He may be 300 pounds, but he can move like a linebacker. Just look at him playing as a receiving runningback on this play

Edited October 23, 2015 by RaineV1

[Ravenseconbeast]

I hope all of you guys loved the 2014 draft. That was completely a need based draft.

Never again Ozzie. Pick the players that are going to make an impact.

[rmw10]

He may be 300 pounds, but he can move like a linebacker. Just look at him playing as a receiving runningback on this play

 

What makes him best to me is that insane explosion off the snap, and I think you lose that by standing him up.  His value comes from shooting through gaps.  He's definitely one of the most athletic big men I've seen, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stand him up.

[Mt. Crushmore]

He would be a Boss for us

Even autocorrect knows how good he is

[GrimCoconut]

I hope all of you guys loved the 2014 draft. That was completely a need based draft.

Never again Ozzie. Pick the players that are going to make an impact.

2014 or 2015? 

[Inqui]

2014 or 2015? 

I genuinely don't understand the hate the 2014 draft class seems to be getting. I'll admit I was initially underwhelmed by it, but aside from Urban (who the jury is still out on but has a ton of potential) and Wenning (who was just a bad pick) EVERY player selected has been a contributor to the team, as was an undrafted player. With a successful draft being one that has three or four contributors, taking seven players who are at least useful (eight if you count Hurst) is unbelievable.

[Cillmatic]

I genuinely don't understand the hate the 2014 draft class seems to be getting. I'll admit I was initially underwhelmed by it, but aside from Urban (who the jury is still out on but has a ton of potential) and Wenning (who was just a bad pick) EVERY player selected has been a contributor to the team, as was an undrafted player. With a successful draft being one that has three or four contributors, taking seven players who are at least useful (eight if you count Hurst) is unbelievable.

CJ's regressed

Jernigan's regressed

Brooks probably isn't good

Hurst sucks.

That's why some people are souring on the 2014 draft

Edited October 24, 2015 by Cillmatic

[GrimCoconut]

CJ's regressed

Jernigan's regressed

Brooks probably isn't good

Hurst sucks.

That's why some people are souring on the 2014 draft

They all looked great last year. Well, except Brooks. He had his moments but it was hot and cold. He had that one really dumb play against a team last year. I can't remember what happened anymore. Other than that, it's hard to call the class bad after some bad games this year when it was solid last year. Lol, some people have real short-term memory.

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah man I've totally bought into Rob. I think he's going to be a great player, he's tied with Bosa right now IMO but I might give the edge Nkemdiche, I just love his ceiling more and I think he can be flat out dominant, 

Edited October 24, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[DomMcRaven]

They all looked great last year. Well, except Brooks. He had his moments but it was hot and cold. He had that one really dumb play against a team last year. I can't remember what happened anymore. Other than that, it's hard to call the class bad after some bad games this year when it was solid last year. Lol, some people have real short-term memory.

Oh gosh, that was against the Saints last season. I still remember that (unfortunately). He would have had that INT if he didn't just stand there and wait for it like it was a punt.  

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Sophmore slumps happen and even then CJ and Jernigan have not TOTALLY regressed. They have flashed their old selves. So I am honestly not the most worried. This is just the year where everything that can go wrong, has gone wrong.

[Cillmatic]

They all looked great last year. Well, except Brooks. He had his moments but it was hot and cold. He had that one really dumb play against a team last year. I can't remember what happened anymore. Other than that, it's hard to call the class bad after some bad games this year when it was solid last year. Lol, some people have real short-term memory.

He's looked good on EXACTLY one play.

[ravefan52]

Nkemdiche isnt going to be playing OLB for any team. He's clearly an interior pass rusher. Could play the 5tech, but standup edge rusher is stretching it. It'd just be a waste considering how good he is inside.

[balfan23]

Need vs. BPA ... given we are now looking like we'll have so many needs, the probability will be high that BPA will be at a position of need. FS (and I mean FS ... please no SS), CB, OLB, WR are all clear needs ... OL, DE and (sadly) ILB are still potential areas to shore up. RB, QB and TE are the only positions I don't see us taking high. 

[Stevin]

ILB are still potential areas to shore up. 

how many ILB do you need ?

i think 5 it's to much allready

[JoeyFlex5]

Nkemdiche isnt going to be playing OLB for any team. He's clearly an interior pass rusher. Could play the 5tech, but standup edge rusher is stretching it. It'd just be a waste considering how good he is inside.

since when does the olb have to be a standup rusher? doom very rarely, if ever, rushes from a 2 point.

[balfan23]

how many ILB do you need ?

i think 5 it's to much allready

The question really is, how many good ILBs do you need and I think the answer is 2. The reason I said "sadly" is that Brown was supposed to be one of those guys. 

 

Actually, I would think when he was drafted the plan was that this would be Smith's last year. Clearly, it can't be. We have to carry him the term of his contract, pay him 4.3M next year and then we'll need someone after him. I'm willing to bet we planned on freeing that 2.6M from our cap in 2016, but that isn't going to happen. 

 

But I get your drift ... as I stated FS, CB, OLB, WR, OL, DE would all be higher priority positions, Given that FS, CB, WR and OLB range between strong and flat out desperate needs, it is likely that ILB doesn't get worked out and come 2017, we'll be fielding Mosely and a potted plant at the position. 

[rmw10]

since when does the olb have to be a standup rusher? doom very rarely, if ever, rushes from a 2 point.

 

???

 

Dumervil may play close to the line, but he rarely has his hand in the dirt.

[Purple_ICE 81]

*SIGH* The only thing going for us this season is the potential top 10-15 pick we likely have coming next draft.

And honestly its what we badly NEED right now an impact player someone who will eventually have a 90rating in Madden (hopefully)...not a guy who might do something in his career with development, we need a special talent who will give us a spark from day 1.

So many positions to choose from too thinking/hoping its either a OT/PassRusher/Safety depending on all the rankings...haven't watched much college this year and haven't looked into anything 2016 draft wise just yet.

Hopefully we get a cornerstone player.

[ravefan52]

since when does the olb have to be a standup rusher? doom very rarely, if ever, rushes from a 2 point.

Well that's what the OLB does in our system... And Doom is rarely in a 3 point stance Edited October 25, 2015 by ravefan52

[rmw10]

Nkemdiche isnt going to be playing OLB for any team. He's clearly an interior pass rusher. Could play the 5tech, but standup edge rusher is stretching it. It'd just be a waste considering how good he is inside.

 

Meant to reply to this earlier, but yes.  This.  I'm sure Nkemdiche could play as a standup OLB as a different look on the rare occasion with his athleticism, but he's clearly a DL prospect.  His best skills are his burst and ability to shoot through gaps, and that would be wasted as an edge rusher.

[Maryland]

how many ILB do you need ?

i think 5 it's to much allready

We really need another ILB if we're planning ahead for when Daryl gets cut or retires, preferably one with good cover skills. 

 

This is a pretty deep ILB class if every prospect declares. Myles Jack, Jaylon Smith, Dominique Alexander, Ragland, Scooby Wright. Would not mind drafting one if the value meets the draft position. 

[JoeyFlex5]

i must be losing my mind because i could swear doom rushes out of a 3 point... like when i typed that, i was never so sure of something in my life lol. 

[January J]

They all looked great last year. Well, except Brooks. He had his moments but it was hot and cold. He had that one really dumb play against a team last year. I can't remember what happened anymore. Other than that, it's hard to call the class bad after some bad games this year when it was solid last year. Lol, some people have real short-term memory.

yeah sophomore slumps aren't that uncommon.

[Stevin]

The question really is, how many good ILBs do you need and I think the answer is 2. The reason I said "sadly" is that Brown was supposed to be one of those guys. 

 

Actually, I would think when he was drafted the plan was that this would be Smith's last year. Clearly, it can't be. We have to carry him the term of his contract, pay him 4.3M next year and then we'll need someone after him. I'm willing to bet we planned on freeing that 2.6M from our cap in 2016, but that isn't going to happen. 

 

But I get your drift ... as I stated FS, CB, OLB, WR, OL, DE would all be higher priority positions, Given that FS, CB, WR and OLB range between strong and flat out desperate needs, it is likely that ILB doesn't get worked out and come 2017, we'll be fielding Mosely and a potted plant at the position. 

D.Smith very good ILB.  4.3M for very good ILB it's very good deal

[RaineV1]

I think ILB is a need based on whether or not D. Smith feels close to retiring. If he thinks next year might be his last, then go ahead and grab someone. They can learn under Smith for that year and be ready to be a full time starter the next season. I'd only cut Smith if there was a real impact player on FA and the little bit of extra money would help sign them.

[Xmadraven]

Daryl smith has regressed each year guys. In 2013 he was bad against the run in 2014 he sucked the first half and finished amazingly. Mosley has had a down year but that happens so whatever, Jernigan hasn't started many games but has had some flashes... Still should be starting over lawrence guy (who's solid but cmon man) anyway ILB should be adressed in the mid rounds. OLB should be the top priority in FA since rookie pass rushers almost never contribute (barring u get lucky) 

[FastEddie]

Bosa would be nice, but see him being more natural and productive in 4-3

 

I would really like to draft a guy like Ramsey, but would be disappointed in a way since we just signed Will Hill and Kendrick for the back end. Seem's like our defense is really confused with so many new faces. Maybe one more year to get more comfortable.

 

I think the BPA/Need fit for us would be VH3 considering where we are now and our schedule for the remainder of the season. Might still be even a little to high in my opinion, but needless to say he has the skill and ability to play DB and fall into this category.

 

Oh and I am hopeful for a new DC after the season.