Cut, Trade, or Re-sign

[usmccharles]

So he is coming back at 34 yrs old coming off an Achilles injury to anchor the defense??!! I'm going out on a limb here and say he will be a shell of his prime. How many players came off great years only to decline sharply?? Jared Allen, freeney. And if you get below the surface of things he was a non factor in new England and finished the regular season on kind of a sack drought. Surprise Surprise the defense played better against Peyton's arm?? As long as the Suggs anchored ravens Defense play qbs that can't throw over 45 yards it can dominate?? Awesome!! That and a buck will buy a bag of potato chips.

Peyton has some great games this year, pretty sure we are the only team to hold him under 200 yards, i may be wrong though. 

 

You are right, he isnt in his prime but he is still an effective pass rusher, cutting him is not the answer.  This just started because i was correcting your decleration of age, apparently everyone is 35 to you.  Google is your friend

[rmcjacket23]

So he is coming back at 34 yrs old coming off an Achilles injury to anchor the defense??!! I'm going out on a limb here and say he will be a shell of his prime. How many players came off great years only to decline sharply?? Jared Allen, freeney. And if you get below the surface of things he was a non factor in new England and finished the regular season on kind of a sack drought. Surprise Surprise the defense played better against Peyton's arm?? As long as the Suggs anchored ravens Defense play qbs that can't throw over 45 yards it can dominate?? Awesome!! That and a buck will buy a bag of potato chips.

Just as an FYI, the very FIRST thing every fan should do when they are claiming or asking for somebody to be cut is to go look at the contract situation. I know fans generally have zero understanding of the salary cap or how contracts work, but its ignorance on their part to not know such things and make these demands.

 

Suggs contract all but guarantees he's on the team next season. His on-field production actually is completely irrelevant in that regard. Cutting Suggs costs more against the salary cap than keeping him does.

 

This is why fans should understand fundamental salary cap situations before they launch debates over irrelevant aspects of football. Generally speaking, unless there's some weird reasoning (Ray Rice), players who cost more to cut than to keep end up staying on the team, regardless of how good or bad a football player they are.

 

No point in discussing further... you're arguing over irrelevant details.

[Winchester]

Just as an FYI, the very FIRST thing every fan should do when they are claiming or asking for somebody to be cut is to go look at the contract situation. I know fans generally have zero understanding of the salary cap or how contracts work, but its ignorance on their part to not know such things and make these demands.

 

Suggs contract all but guarantees he's on the team next season. His on-field production actually is completely irrelevant in that regard. Cutting Suggs costs more against the salary cap than keeping him does.

 

This is why fans should understand fundamental salary cap situations before they launch debates over irrelevant aspects of football. Generally speaking, unless there's some weird reasoning (Ray Rice), players who cost more to cut than to keep end up staying on the team, regardless of how good or bad a football player they are.

 

No point in discussing further... you're arguing over irrelevant details.

Your right I do not pay much attention to the salary cap. Just how much cutting a guy saves and how much to keep. One of my issues with oz. He structures salary so that knockout cap Hits are absorbed once a player is over his prime. Since fantasy football got so out of control, peeps go to much by numbers and not what a player has in physical skill to do or not do what is planned for that player. It is not that there is a problem with guys nearing 35 yrs old. I don't like counting on them go be the anchors. Suggs or Dumervil is fine as long as there is a young alpha male like a Chandler Jones to throw all the weight on. Forcing the ball to 36 yr old ss til he broke is just silly!! Shocker he didn't make it through the season!! Very poor shameful management. And next year oz is going to do same thing with Suggs and Dumervil. Until no longer starter caliber and then he is going to run out and grab whatever name is in the hat to replace them. Like Elam,Upshaw,Brown. (perriman is a huge need pick as well). Then everybody is going to be so surprised the team finishes 4-12 every year. Oz must have zero confidence in his skill to reload talent without all the advisors he had when the team came to baltimore. Because he will count on Suggs to anchor the defense until he gets thrown off the field into his lap by opposing olines. Why does everybody want the guy that already racks up over 100 sacks and the WR that already has 800 catches for 12000 yards?? Like Suggs and Vincent. Let's go find the next edge rusher to get 130 sacks and next WR to catch 800 throws for 13000 yards. Because then in the next year or so the ravens are going to be kicking everybody's butts!!

[usmccharles]

Your right I do not pay much attention to the salary cap. Just how much cutting a guy saves and how much to keep. One of my issues with oz. He structures salary so that knockout cap Hits are absorbed once a player is over his prime. Since fantasy football got so out of control, peeps go to much by numbers and not what a player has in physical skill to do or not do what is planned for that player. It is not that there is a problem with guys nearing 35 yrs old. I don't like counting on them go be the anchors. Suggs or Dumervil is fine as long as there is a young alpha male like a Chandler Jones to throw all the weight on. Forcing the ball to 36 yr old ss til he broke is just silly!! Shocker he didn't make it through the season!! Very poor shameful management. And next year oz is going to do same thing with Suggs and Dumervil. Until no longer starter caliber and then he is going to run out and grab whatever name is in the hat to replace them. Like Elam,Upshaw,Brown. (perriman is a huge need pick as well). Then everybody is going to be so surprised the team finishes 4-12 every year. Oz must have zero confidence in his skill to reload talent without all the advisors he had when the team came to baltimore. Because he will count on Suggs to anchor the defense until he gets thrown off the field into his lap by opposing olines. Why does everybody want the guy that already racks up over 100 sacks and the WR that already has 800 catches for 12000 yards?? Like Suggs and Vincent. Let's go find the next edge rusher to get 130 sacks and next WR to catch 800 throws for 13000 yards. Because then in the next year or so the ravens are going to be kicking everybody's butts!!

finding hall of famers isn't that easy to just go get. I highly doubt any gm says... "I think this is the year we want hall of fame talent, let's really get it right this time". They try to get every pick right, you will miss some ans some will be right... Nature of the game.

[rmcjacket23]

Your right I do not pay much attention to the salary cap. Just how much cutting a guy saves and how much to keep. One of my issues with oz. He structures salary so that knockout cap Hits are absorbed once a player is over his prime. Since fantasy football got so out of control, peeps go to much by numbers and not what a player has in physical skill to do or not do what is planned for that player. It is not that there is a problem with guys nearing 35 yrs old. I don't like counting on them go be the anchors. Suggs or Dumervil is fine as long as there is a young alpha male like a Chandler Jones to throw all the weight on. Forcing the ball to 36 yr old ss til he broke is just silly!! Shocker he didn't make it through the season!! Very poor shameful management. And next year oz is going to do same thing with Suggs and Dumervil. Until no longer starter caliber and then he is going to run out and grab whatever name is in the hat to replace them. Like Elam,Upshaw,Brown. (perriman is a huge need pick as well). Then everybody is going to be so surprised the team finishes 4-12 every year. Oz must have zero confidence in his skill to reload talent without all the advisors he had when the team came to baltimore. Because he will count on Suggs to anchor the defense until he gets thrown off the field into his lap by opposing olines. Why does everybody want the guy that already racks up over 100 sacks and the WR that already has 800 catches for 12000 yards?? Like Suggs and Vincent. Let's go find the next edge rusher to get 130 sacks and next WR to catch 800 throws for 13000 yards. Because then in the next year or so the ravens are going to be kicking everybody's butts!!

1. That's no an issue with Ozzie. That's an issue (even though its really not an issue) league-wide. Every single NFL team largely structures their deals in the same way... large signing bonus up front in "guaranteed" money so that in can be prorated throughout the deal, low base salary up front, increasing base salaries in the back end of the deal that are not guaranteed.

 

General rule of thumb for mid-to-large size extensions are that the player is largely guaranteed 2-3 years on that contract before there's significant cap savings to cut them. Suggs is currently in year 2 of that deal and next year will be year 3.

 

Again, not an Ozzie problem. Its simply how NFL contracts work these days.

 

2. I'm all for going and finding the next elite pass rusher.... and I suspect it occurs with an early round draft pick. But that obviously doesn't mean you cut somebody just for the heck of it because you drafted somebody.

 

Those kinds of players don't grow on trees obviously, and the draft is the best place to get them. Otherwise, you'll end up paying $8-10M a year for one, which we don't have to spend.