Cut, Trade, or Re-sign

[omar586]

we jus need 2 use da players we have  , more snaps 4 givens & ross.

[mhedge]

Out - KO, Camp, LT,  Elam, Arrington, Monroe

In - Upshaw, Aiken, 

Retired - Pitta, SSS, 

 

Pitta is on the roster to collect his guaranteed money. It only makes sense for him to stay on as long as he can.

KO will get big money like Grubbs. We can't compete.

Monroe is just not good enough to keep if his contract allows us to cut him.

Upshaw and Aiken are affordable role players

 

I don't think we have any legitimate trade bait. Maybe Doom or Webb but I doubt it.

 

If we draft high enough I see us taking a LT or a Suggs replacement. If we're in the middle, I see a corner or best available O or D lineman.

[-Truth-]

Out - KO, Camp, LT,  Elam, Arrington, Monroe

In - Upshaw, Aiken, 

Retired - Pitta, SSS, 

 

Pitta is on the roster to collect his guaranteed money. It only makes sense for him to stay on as long as he can.

KO will get big money like Grubbs. We can't compete.

Monroe is just not good enough to keep if his contract allows us to cut him.

Upshaw and Aiken are affordable role players

 

I don't think we have any legitimate trade bait. Maybe Doom or Webb but I doubt it.

 

If we draft high enough I see us taking a LT or a Suggs replacement. If we're in the middle, I see a corner or best available O or D lineman.

 

We'd save just $2.1 million if we cut Eugene Monroe given the dead money. He's played well when on the field this season, so the amount saved wouldn't be worth it, especially if it's creating a void so large that we'd need to use a top-end selection to fill it.

[rmcjacket23]

Out - KO, Camp, LT,  Elam, Arrington, Monroe

In - Upshaw, Aiken, 

Retired - Pitta, SSS, 

 

Pitta is on the roster to collect his guaranteed money. It only makes sense for him to stay on as long as he can.

KO will get big money like Grubbs. We can't compete.

Monroe is just not good enough to keep if his contract allows us to cut him.

Upshaw and Aiken are affordable role players

 

I don't think we have any legitimate trade bait. Maybe Doom or Webb but I doubt it.

 

If we draft high enough I see us taking a LT or a Suggs replacement. If we're in the middle, I see a corner or best available O or D lineman.

Pitta has no guaranteed money left on his contract after this season.

 

Cutting him or him retiring only saves us $600K pre-June 1.

[VeiledPsychosis]

Camp will probably end up getting cut for room on the roster, we'll probably hold on to him through preseason though. LT isn't going anywhere, he's a 4th rounder who showed improvement and is on a cheap deal, he'll stay on board as our power back, Forsett in goalline/short yardage situations is just hard to watch.

Let Marlon go, he's regressed and we are no longer hurting for height. He has a hard time getting open, doesn't use his height well and is always injured. He's replaceable.

Tucker will be signed once the offseason starts, I'm sure the FO is just waiting for the dead cap relief or he'll be tagged.

I also have faith that KO will end up being back next year, Ozzie can make it happen, a couple years back we thought it was impossible to resign both Pitta and Monroe (perhaps we'd be better off if it were impossible...) but Ozzie made it happen.

If Pitta comes back and makes an impact then I can see him being dangled as trade bait, with him we've got 4 TEs, one of them will probably be somewhere else come next season and since Pitta is the oldest with injury problems, not to mention I think we save about $1 mill, he should be shopped first.

Canty should be cut (or he should retire) for obvious reasons.

It'd be nice to trade Elam but I doubt we could get anything for him, disappointing player coming off a season ending injury...he's probably going to stay or be cut at worst/best.

Webb should stay on board until after the draft or until after we sign some FA, like it or not he's still the second best corner on the team. Considering we'd save money by getting rid of him maybe he can be used as trade bait to a needy team.

 

It's a bit early to be asking this question. This'll be all changed up once the season is over and we know where we'll be picking in the draft. If we do make any moves then it won't be early in the offseason, noboby will probably be cut until after the draft, unless we bring in a good FA

[VeiledPsychosis]

Out - KO, Camp, LT,  Elam, Arrington, Monroe

In - Upshaw, Aiken, 

Retired - Pitta, SSS, 

 

Pitta is on the roster to collect his guaranteed money. It only makes sense for him to stay on as long as he can.

KO will get big money like Grubbs. We can't compete.

Monroe is just not good enough to keep if his contract allows us to cut him.

Upshaw and Aiken are affordable role players

 

I don't think we have any legitimate trade bait. Maybe Doom or Webb but I doubt it.

 

If we draft high enough I see us taking a LT or a Suggs replacement. If we're in the middle, I see a corner or best available O or D lineman.

Monroe isn't going anywhere, we don't save enough to be worth it. We cut him and then what? do you think we could just pick up anyone and plug them in? even a high end rookie shouldn't be starting on the left side immediately. Monroe may be cut next year when we save more and we've had time to groom a replacement but this year it won't be anywhere near worth it.

Maybe if KO were a FA last year he'd be getting Grubbs money, but not now. He won't be cheap and could easily be gone but he isn't getting that kind of money.

[omar586]

monroe isn't going anywhere , who we gonna replace him with .

[Cillmatic]

monroe isn't going anywhere , who we gonna replace him with .

A traffic cone would work just as well. Hell I'd consider putting Urcshel out there.

[omar586]

A traffic cone would work just as well. Hell I'd consider putting Urcshel out there.

lol, up and down seasons 4 monroe.

 

sooner  Hurst will take over.

[rmcjacket23]

Weddle is probably on the trade block...

Why trade for him now when he's a FA next season?

[rmcjacket23]

Monroe isn't going anywhere, we don't save enough to be worth it. We cut him and then what? do you think we could just pick up anyone and plug them in? even a high end rookie shouldn't be starting on the left side immediately. Monroe may be cut next year when we save more and we've had time to groom a replacement but this year it won't be anywhere near worth it.

Maybe if KO were a FA last year he'd be getting Grubbs money, but not now. He won't be cheap and could easily be gone but he isn't getting that kind of money.

Only way Monroe gets cut is if the FO really likes a LT in the draft and selects one early. Probably see a post June-1 cut at that point.

 

Not likely though. He's an average LT when he plays, and his contract isn't that prohibitive. He wouldn't crack my top 5 of areas that we need to upgrade.

[rmcjacket23]

SSS agent said steves chance comming back is now '50-50'. No chance he'll goto another team via trade.

It's almost a guaranteed..

That's not from Steve by the way. That's his agent THINKING that Steve's chances are 50/50, because he doesn't think Steve will retire playing at this level.

 

His agent isn't reporting anything from Steve himself, who to this point is still adamant he will retire.

[52520Andrew]

Weddle is probably on the trade block...

And we don't have the near cap to fit him

[Ravenseconbeast]

That's not from Steve by the way. That's his agent THINKING that Steve's chances are 50/50, because he doesn't think Steve will retire playing at this level.

His agent isn't reporting anything from Steve himself, who to this point is still adamant he will retire.

I haven't heard anything to point out he was adamant about retiring.

[GrimCoconut]

I haven't heard anything to point out he was adamant about retiring.

Just an exaggeration regarding the severity of his decision, but nonetheless true that Steve suggested his plans to retire haven't changed.

[VeiledPsychosis]

Why trade for him now when he's a FA next season?

Getting something vs. just letting him go and getting nothing. Our office has played this game quite a few times.

[GrimCoconut]

I think the trade deadline has passed

[redlobster]

I think the trade deadline has passed

Trade deadline is tomorrow

[redlobster]

Third, Ravens linebacker Arthur Brown was available at one point earlier in the year. It’s unclear whether he’s still available. With the Ravens at 1-6, however, pretty much everyone on the roster should be available.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/01/a-couple-of-other-names-emerge-on-the-trade-chatter-grapevine/

Edited November 1, 2015 by redlobster

[rmcjacket23]

I haven't heard anything to point out he was adamant about retiring.

He was asked again, after the first time he said he was retiring, about retirement. He said he was still retiring. 

[rmcjacket23]

Getting something vs. just letting him go and getting nothing. Our office has played this game quite a few times.

Wrong player.

 

My question was in regards to trading FOR Eric Weddle.

[Nge2grads]

Don't trade Elvis Kool Dumervil.  I can understand other teams having some interest, but close that door Ozzie, please!

[VeiledPsychosis]

Wrong player.

 

My question was in regards to trading FOR Eric Weddle.

But its the same idea. Why when we do it there are teams that'll make the deal? So they have a guarantee of acquiring the player and it significantly increases the odds that you can sign them to a long term deal because you have more time. If they wait until free agency and there's a bidding war then you can end up paying way more than you would by trading for them. I'm not advocating that we trade for Weddle, I'm just saying the reasoning behind it is there.

[rmcjacket23]

But its the same idea. Why when we do it there are teams that'll make the deal? So they have a guarantee of acquiring the player and it significantly increases the odds that you can sign them to a long term deal because you have more time. If they wait until free agency and there's a bidding war then you can end up paying way more than you would by trading for them. I'm not advocating that we trade for Weddle, I'm just saying the reasoning behind it is there.

No, its not the same idea.

 

Trading for a player in a contract year only guarantees you two things... 1. he plays for you during that season (which is meaningless for us, since we are 1-6, and 2. you get to negotiate exclusively with him for a short window.

 

While the second aspect is great, it in no way shape of form means you won't be in a bidding window, nor does it mean you will get him at a discount. A smart player, which he is, knows he has 100% of the leverage in that situation, because he doesn't have a contract. So, he can easily just refuse any contract offer he gets from the Ravens and go to FA and find out in the first few days what the market is for him. If he doesn't find anything better, he signs with Baltimore.

 

You could argue that negotiating exclusively with him would lead to us overpaying for him, because we frankly have no basis for determining what other teams are willing to pay him, and the only way you'll get him to a sign a deal is to pay him a very high number.

 

Think of it from Weddle's perspective... under what scenario are you resigning with the Ravens without finding out what the market value for you is? I can think of one... you get an enormous contract. He has 100% of the leverage, because he loses nothing by saying no. There's zero risk on his end.

 

And remember... its a trade. By definition, we have to give up something (draft pick or picks). Signing him as a FA costs us only money. Trading him and resigning him costs us money AND draft pick, and there's a risk to that. We may give up a draft pick for a half a season rental for a team not going to the playoffs (worst case scenario), or we may give up a pick and sign him to a huge contract that he could have gotten from us without the draft pick.

 

That's why you see a lot of these trades are to teams that are IN contention this season, because at least there's value there.

Edited November 1, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[GrimCoconut]

Why was Weddle inactive today? Is he hurt or possibly going to be traded? I found that strange.

[rmw10]

Why was Weddle inactive today? Is he hurt or possibly going to be traded? I found that strange.

 

Hurt.  He's been out since week 6.

[Kid87]

SHOULD we trade for another WR like Alshon, or Tate before the deadline? OR somebody else?

[jazz1988]

SHOULD we trade for another WR like Alshon, or Tate before the deadline? OR somebody else?

 

I'm not sure if The Ravens will do that. Trading for Alshon doesn't make sense unless they strongly believe a contract extension can get done. I don't know where The Ravens stand cap wise so not sure if  they can fit Tate salary.

[Cillmatic]

SHOULD we trade for another WR like Alshon, or Tate before the deadline? OR somebody else?

Why would we trade for anyone?

[VeiledPsychosis]

No, its not the same idea.

 

Trading for a player in a contract year only guarantees you two things... 1. he plays for you during that season (which is meaningless for us, since we are 1-6, and 2. you get to negotiate exclusively with him for a short window.

 

While the second aspect is great, it in no way shape of form means you won't be in a bidding window, nor does it mean you will get him at a discount. A smart player, which he is, knows he has 100% of the leverage in that situation, because he doesn't have a contract. So, he can easily just refuse any contract offer he gets from the Ravens and go to FA and find out in the first few days what the market is for him. If he doesn't find anything better, he signs with Baltimore.

 

You could argue that negotiating exclusively with him would lead to us overpaying for him, because we frankly have no basis for determining what other teams are willing to pay him, and the only way you'll get him to a sign a deal is to pay him a very high number.

 

Think of it from Weddle's perspective... under what scenario are you resigning with the Ravens without finding out what the market value for you is? I can think of one... you get an enormous contract. He has 100% of the leverage, because he loses nothing by saying no. There's zero risk on his end.

 

And remember... its a trade. By definition, we have to give up something (draft pick or picks). Signing him as a FA costs us only money. Trading him and resigning him costs us money AND draft pick, and there's a risk to that. We may give up a draft pick for a half a season rental for a team not going to the playoffs (worst case scenario), or we may give up a pick and sign him to a huge contract that he could have gotten from us without the draft pick.

 

That's why you see a lot of these trades are to teams that are IN contention this season, because at least there's value there.

Nobody ever said getting an exclusive window for signing him would automatically mean we'd get him, that's obvious. But it greatly increases the chances. Theres a difference between determining a player's worth and getting caught in a bidding war, signing a player outright without other suitors always results in a lower contract, that isn't to say it'd be cheap, just cheaper.

Who knows Weddle's perspective? there are plenty of cases where players opt not to test the waters to resign with a certain team. Getting them in house and comfortable would give an advantage. Some players are not hawking for the biggest contract possible.

Who knew both scenario's cost money, you blew my mind with that one...of course both cost money, but one costs significantly less money and could easily make up for a lost draft pick if he performs on a high level like this particular player does consistently.To get him we'd have to give up at most a second rounder, and even that is doubtful, if the Chargers think trying to re-sign him is a lost cause. Losing a pick, even with Ozzie, isn't the worst thing in the world by along shot. And there are scenarios in which a player in a trade hinges on being signed to a new contract, happens quite a bit - Chargers sign him to a long term contract then trade him (and he knows he getting shipped out once the new contract is negotiated). No new contract, no trade.

...and pertaining to the bolded part - you could say that about almost any player that is set to hit free agency but clearly considering most big name players will never see the market at all, it's just not that simple.

 

And as I said before, I am not advocating we trade for Weddle, in fact I really don't want it to happen (or think it'll ever happen, we just don't trade for big name players), but the rationale is clearly there

Edited November 1, 2015 by VeiledPsychosis