Cut, Trade, or Re-sign

[52liveforever]

What are yall talking about?! This seasons been over lol. This is the time to grab someone like Patterson on the cheap. Heck I'll do it for a 4th even a 3rd the way these scouts look at WR'S lol

So you'll trade the chance of getting a Brandon Williams, Carl Davis, Crocket Gilmore, Dennis Pitta, Juice, or MARSHAL YANDA on a cheap rookie deal for four years to get a back up for a year or two?

I am so glad you are not our GM. Now a 5th or a 6th I would part with. I think Patterson is better than most of what we have on the depth chart, but I'm not willing to trade a 3rd or 4th for him.

[rmw10]

There's a Flacco thread. Please take it there.

 

This is the time of year where I really feel for the mods.  Every thread turns into a Flacco thread lol

[ravensfan520]

1. You're right... they've both having good years. They both also have much more talent overall, particularly on defense, than we do.

2. The FO, to this point, has been operating under the same way we've always wanted them to... run the ball, play great defense (by investing in the defense, both in the draft and financially). The reason that's not working this year is because the defense isn't very good.

3. Nobodies making excuses for him... he gets full blame when he throws dumb INTs just like every QB does. But there's a gigantic difference between thinking that we are making excuses for him and suggesting that he should be released. Suggesting he should be released is ludicrous, as largely proved by my post earlier outlining the basic optimal expectation you can have for releasing him, and showing how that optimal replacement (basically a Dalton/Newton type) might take several years to obtain. In the mean time, we lose games, plain and simple.

I'm as critical of Joe as anybody, because he's an incredibly pedestrian regular season QB for the most part. This nothing new to anybody, so why all of the sudden now its somehow a conversation topic I don't understand. We know his postseason play speaks for itself, which is why he is paid what he is paid.

We amplify his regular season struggles (which again, are nothing new) ONLY when the team isn't doing very well. In the grand scheme of things, he's playing better than he did in 2013, when he was below average, and the team still won 8 games. Yet, this team probably has no realistic shot at winning 8 games... so whats the difference? He's better than his previous season where he had very little weapons, and the teams winning less games. The difference? The other personnel on the team.

Cutting Joe doesn't solve any problems... it creates new one's. If you want to bash him for throwing dumb picks and when he plays poorly, go for it. Its the flavor of the week when the team is struggling.

But why wasn't anybody suggesting we cut him after last season when he had (yet again) another great postseason and his best regular season as a pro? You mean in 6 regular seasons games he's somehow gone from being worth every penny we paid for him (and frankly more) to now not even being worth a roster spot?

Sorry, logically that just doesn't hold up. These QBs ain't growing on trees in the back yard where you can just go grab one at will...

O, and Pro Bowls are beauty contests. Nobody cares about them, half the invitees turn them down, and its never a positive to reference it in the context of proving how good somebody is. Our current backup QB, who's 1/100th the QB Joe is, has been to a Pro Bowl, and Joe hasn't.

Its utterly meaningless.

Well to be honest I have never been a Flacco fan... I was always a fan of the team. I held the belief that we should have went the route of letting him walk and take the comp pick if someone signed him... build an offense around the running game and defense... like the bills should be doing for Taylor.(defense is not playing like they should). Why do it know to me sounds like the best chance... we are going to have a high draft pick and we are going to have more cap space... let's use that to build on for the future and not just continue the cycle that we are on his since his last contract... in the playoffs out of playoffs... etc. Our staples players are gone... and to believe that Flacco is the guy who will be the staple player of Raven football is what's crazy... even when we're down before Flacco we had teams that people loved to watch... a disruptive defense that brought passion and ground and punded into submission. Now we have a team and it had been like this for a while... an offense that can't get on track 3 and out punt... get lucky on a deep ball or Steve Smith who is leaving break off a great monster run. When Steve is gone... are we to expect that our rookie who can't get on the field or the other wrs are going to do that. Maybe Flacco is bummed because his best field may not be Ravens much longer and he is wanting to flame out. This team has slowly lost its edge since Ray and now Sizzle is down... build it back... and Flacco is not that guy. And everyone talks about Flacco in the playoffs... what about his 4th quarter int to lose it for us when we had the ball moving with about a minute to go. Boldin is not here... He is not going to jump and grab a high throw and come down with it to save the game. I love SSS but he is not that guy.

[ravens88]

wow to the cutting flacco talk.

 

Lets go ahead if you really want to set this franchise back a decade to come. this is a passing league now we need some more receivers. Forsett is in the top 5 rushing yards right now and were still 1-5. we need to improve defense and keep the offense while adding some speed. the FO counted on having Perriman on the field to at least replace the missing deep threat of Torrey that hasn't happened and now we have Aiken at No.2 WR and no speed at WR. its a bad year we have injuries we need to take this destined 6-10 or worse season and draft well and we right back into the playoff mix next year. I mean look at Atlanta they go 6-10 4-12 draft franchise LT and OLB plus other pieces freeman, coleman they didn't cut Matt Ryan after looking bad due to lack of players around him without Julio Jones and a bad defense. you keep the core and build were still building from 2012 we barely made the playoffs last year this team is building still and the cap didn't help this year along with 12 people on IR already.

[rmcjacket23]

Well to be honest I have never been a Flacco fan... I was always a fan of the team. I held the belief that we should have went the route of letting him walk and take the comp pick if someone signed him... build an offense around the running game and defense... like the bills should be doing for Taylor.(defense is not playing like they should). Why do it know to me sounds like the best chance... we are going to have a high draft pick and we are going to have more cap space... let's use that to build on for the future and not just continue the cycle that we are on his since his last contract... in the playoffs out of playoffs... etc. Our staples players are gone... and to believe that Flacco is the guy who will be the staple player of Raven football is what's crazy... even when we're down before Flacco we had teams that people loved to watch... a disruptive defense that brought passion and ground and punded into submission. Now we have a team and it had been like this for a while... an offense that can't get on track 3 and out punt... get lucky on a deep ball or Steve Smith who is leaving break off a great monster run. When Steve is gone... are we to expect that our rookie who can't get on the field or the other wrs are going to do that. Maybe Flacco is bummed because his best field may not be Ravens much longer and he is wanting to flame out. This team has slowly lost its edge since Ray and now Sizzle is down... build it back... and Flacco is not that guy. And everyone talks about Flacco in the playoffs... what about his 4th quarter int to lose it for us when we had the ball moving with about a minute to go. Boldin is not here... He is not going to jump and grab a high throw and come down with it to save the game. I love SSS but he is not that guy.

If you want to be the Bills, go for it. They aren't winning any SBs with Tyrod Taylor as their QB. Doesn't matter how well they run the ball and how well their defense plays, because eventually, there's going to be crucial games where one of those units isn't playing well, and its going to be up to the QB to lead them with his arm down the field in crucial spots.

 

Remember, the team you want to be right now is the textbook definition of a mediocre football team. Is that what you are really striving for?

 

We already know this team can be a lot better than mediocre with Joe, and there's really no reason to think we can't be again. And yes, Joe did throw the INT that sealed the game. He also threw 4 TDs that kept us in the game all together, since our defense certainly wasn't going to do it. And there were some VERY highly paid players on that defense who were apart of that, just like there were a lot of VERY highly paid players on that defense in 2012 when we won a SB with an extremely mediocre defense.

 

There isn't any QB you think you can get or will get that can win with a mediocre defense. And remember... that was BEFORE Joe got paid.

[usmccharles]

Well to be honest I have never been a Flacco fan... I was always a fan of the team. I held the belief that we should have went the route of letting him walk and take the comp pick if someone signed him... build an offense around the running game and defense... like the bills should be doing for Taylor.(defense is not playing like they should). Why do it know to me sounds like the best chance... we are going to have a high draft pick and we are going to have more cap space... let's use that to build on for the future and not just continue the cycle that we are on his since his last contract... in the playoffs out of playoffs... etc. Our staples players are gone... and to believe that Flacco is the guy who will be the staple player of Raven football is what's crazy... even when we're down before Flacco we had teams that people loved to watch... a disruptive defense that brought passion and ground and punded into submission. Now we have a team and it had been like this for a while... an offense that can't get on track 3 and out punt... get lucky on a deep ball or Steve Smith who is leaving break off a great monster run. When Steve is gone... are we to expect that our rookie who can't get on the field or the other wrs are going to do that. Maybe Flacco is bummed because his best field may not be Ravens much longer and he is wanting to flame out. This team has slowly lost its edge since Ray and now Sizzle is down... build it back... and Flacco is not that guy. And everyone talks about Flacco in the playoffs... what about his 4th quarter int to lose it for us when we had the ball moving with about a minute to go. Boldin is not here... He is not going to jump and grab a high throw and come down with it to save the game. I love SSS but he is not that guy.

I somewhat see what your saying...but its still nonsense

 

- Letting Joe walk means we dont have a qb, obviously.  I rememember the terrible qb cycle prior to him, he has been the most constant thing in our franchise basically after Ray.  So he walks, who do we sign?  Play Tyrod? I just dont see how anyone in their right mind thinks letting Joe walk after the post season he  had is a smart move.  He had his best year last year...he had weapons, this year he has broken weapons and i dont even consider most of them weapons, our WR corps is a joke as is.  Hes a constant variable in a winning forumula, yea he cost a lot, but thats what market value is, supply and demand my friend

 

- Of course those teams were fun to watch, we had one of the best defense in the nfl for basically ten years.  We had the best ball hawk of all time in Ed.  We had the best leader on the field the game has ever seen, who was also the best MLB of all time.  Ngata, Suggs, Pollard hitting people, Bart Scott....we had so many elite players at so many positions, thats extremely hard to duplicate, hence why we havent yet. 

 

- Its like you dont realize how much is working against this team right now...but if you dont see it, you dont see it. 

 

- You want to say Joe lost the Pats game, well i disagree.  He gave Torrey a great chance, Torrey didnt even attempt to jump, let alone put his hands up...but that argument will never stop. 

Edited October 23, 2015 by usmccharles

[Militant X 1]

On second thought, the same discussion is already happening there so please drop it here.

 

Lol!

[52520Andrew]

I mean everything looks great when you start finding the outliers, but outliers are outliers for a reason. Heck, we should just keep holding out hope that we find a 6th round gem like Tom Brady, and lets just ignore the fact that its been 15+ years since that happened.

Lets be realistic here... the college QB market is a baron wasteland. QBs like Blake Bortles and Derek Carr are about the absolute best you can expect from college right now.

Straight face and all, how many QBs drafted since 2008 (the year Flacco was drafted) are walking around in this league that play QB better than Joe Flacco right now?

Lets take a look:

If you take just QBs drafted from 2009-2014, lets go round by round at who these QBs are:

1st round QBs: Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Jack Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin, Ryan Tannehill, EJ Manuel, Blake Bortles, Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel

Of those guys, which even ONE, besides Andrew Luck, am I supposed to be impressed enough to say "yeah, that guy will do better than Flacco will right now"? I don't see a name on that list. The only debatable one's at this point would be Newton/Stafford/Tannehill, and they all get paid top dollar.

Lets go further:

2nd round QBs: Pat White, Jimmy Clausen, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Brock Osweiler, Geno Smith, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garapolo

Same question, who am I supposed to be impressed by? Dalton?

3rd round QBs: Colt McCoy, Ryan Mallett, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Mike Glennon

Here, there's Wilson, and a bunch of career backup type QBs

4th round QBs: Stephen McGee, Mike Kafka, Kirk Cousins, Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, Tyler Wilson, Landry Jones, Logan Thomas, Tom Savage

Kirk Cousins is the BEST of this group. Yikes.

I'd list all the 5th to 7th rounders, but its not worth it. The most accomplished on that list are Tyrod Taylor (who hasn't even started for a full season), Zach Mettenberger, and TJ Yates.

Not really that hard to see why "starting over" is so difficult for teams like the Browns, because you spend an eternity looking for a player who comes around once every five years, at best. And even that player is an Andy Dalton type.

Where's the upside? I don't care if the Browns are better than us right now... they're going to win 6-7 games just like they did last year and be irrelevant... just like they've been for many years. They got a pretty good defense and it means nothing because they have no consistency at QB and haven't for a long time. Until then, they are irrelevant.

I'd bet the Browns would cut half their defense just for the opportunity to sign Flacco, because they understand what most teams understand... good defensive players exist annually in the draft. Good QBs are incredibly rare these days.

Great post. People take for granted how long it took us to find Flacco in the first place.

[rmcjacket23]

Great post. People take for granted how long it took us to find Flacco in the first place.

People also forget that their are multiple organizations who have been looking for a QB of Joe's caliber for over a decade... some of them for arguably 15-20 years

 

Joe Flacco would probably be the best QB the Buffalo Bills would have had since Jim Kelly. He last played in 1996, almost 20 years ago.

 

Joe Flacco would probably be the best QB the Miami Dolphins would have had since Dan Marino. He last played in 1999, over 15 years ago.

 

Cleveland Browns, New York Jets, SF 49ers, Kansas City Chiefs, etc. No shortage of teams who have spent a good decade looking for a QB that's as good as Joe Flacco, and most of these teams are still looking.

Edited October 24, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[bertopr]

So you'll trade the chance of getting a Brandon Williams, Carl Davis, Crocket Gilmore, Dennis Pitta, Juice, or MARSHAL YANDA on a cheap rookie deal for four years to get a back up for a year or two?

I am so glad you are not our GM. Now a 5th or a 6th I would part with. I think Patterson is better than most of what we have on the depth chart, but I'm not willing to trade a 3rd or 4th for him.

Yup. Cause those guys u listed are really helping us win games. Other than all pro Yanda YOUR list isn't that all impressive. N why would we have him for only 1-2 years? N to the guy that asked why would they trade, well be because their not using him AT ALL..that's when teams usually trade away players. Btw this is a trade etc tread.

[rmcjacket23]

Yup. Cause those guys u listed are really helping us win games. Other than all pro Yanda YOUR list isn't that all impressive. N why would we have him for only 1-2 years? N to the guy that asked why would they trade, well be because their not using him AT ALL..that's when teams usually trade away players. Btw this is a trade etc tread.

1. About half the guys that he listed were pretty vital in us winning games last season, which naturally a lot of fans seem to ignore because it doesn't fit their narrative for this season. If you think Williams or Gillmore weren't crucial to our success last season, then you weren't watching games, and I can't help you there.

 

2. If you are referencing my post regarding why the Bears wouldn't trade Jeffery, your post makes no sense. I'm assuming its because, again, you're not actually watching games.

 

Jeffery has been hurt for much of the season, which wouldn't have changed if he was a Raven or a Bear, so if you claim the Bears aren't using him, it means the Ravens aren't using him either, because he can't play. As it were, the two games he did play in, he averaged 6.5 catches for for about 112 yards per game, which is indicative of the exact opposite of somebody not being used.

 

This ain't Madden. Young players playing for cheap who are averaging over 100 yards per game generally aren't traded, regardless of how bad the team is. And by the way... the Bears are in basically a better spot than the Ravens right now.

 

Again, I don't see the logic.

[redrum52]

Trade KO for a 3rd rounder? I think Urshel's ready.

 

 

So more people can complain about Ozzie if Urhsel doesn't perform?

[PurpleCity5]

You know, I think we have a good shot at keeping K.O.

I remember when people thought Eugene Monroe was going to break the bank and many feared he would be gone, turns out he didn't really break as we thought he would, and thats a bit of a shock given how teams value LT. K.O could return, it just depends on how much free agency values him.

I def. see Canty getting cut as well.

Edited October 25, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[rmw10]

You know, I think we have a good shot at keeping K.O.

I remember when people thought Eugene Monroe was going to break the bank and many feared he would be gone, turns out he didn't really break as we thought he would, and thats a bit of a shock given how teams value LT. K.O could return, it just depends on how much free agency values him.

I def. see Canty getting cut as well.

 

I'm resigned to the fact that KO is gone.  I just can't see us soaking that much money into the OL as a whole.  Yanda and Monroe have the big contracts right now, and Zuttah's isn't exactly small either.  Wagner is up for a contract next year and I'd imagine T is the priority over G, especially with Urschel pegged as KO's replacement for now.  I think it's just tough soaking that much money into one unit when we have other areas that absolutely need to be addressed.

[GrimCoconut]

I brought up something similar to that when talking about how we've invested too much at CB and not enough at safety. I just think we can keep K.O depending on how FA goes. I'd like to believe we can keep our unit together, an elite Offensive Line can get you far but I also believe we have other positions to invest in as well. I just think that if the FA market is kind to us, keeping K.O is a possibility.

I don't want to bring back KO unless it's cheap, which it won't be if Oher got a nice deal. KO has struggled at various times throughout his career due to injury and our issues with dead money and guys not playing up to their deals doesn't make me confident in giving him a long-term deal he probably deserves. 

Edited October 25, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[rmw10]

I brought up something similar to that when talking about how we've invested too much at CB and not enough at safety. I just think we can keep K.O depending on how FA goes. I'd like to believe we can keep our unit together, an elite Offensive Line can get you far but I also believe we have other positions to invest in as well. I just think that if the FA market is kind to us, keeping K.O is a possibility.

 

And this is the part where I think being hopeful is blinding realism.  KO is going to get paid.  I see no reason he wouldn't.  He started the season slow but has really turned it around and has been absolutely dominating in the second level.  Teams are going to pay for that.

 

I get that we want to keep such a great group together, but there is only so much cap room and so many contracts that can be handed out at one positional group.

[flynismo]

Have you seen our defense? He is a perfect fit for our defense at the present.

haha truth

[PurpleCity5]

I don't want to bring back KO unless it's cheap, which it won't be if Oher got a nice deal. KO has struggled at various times throughout his career due to injury and our issues with dead money and guys not playing up to their deals doesn't make me confident in giving him a long-term deal he probably deserves.

I do anticipate K.O will get paid and we opt not too match, I just wouldn't give up on him, IMO there could be teams worried about the injuries. I mean sometimes Free Agency turns on its most anticipated guys. I expect him to get paid reguardless of the injury concerns

[PurpleCity5]

And this is the part where I think being hopeful is blinding realism. KO is going to get paid. I see no reason he wouldn't. He started the season slow but has really turned it around and has been absolutely dominating in the second level. Teams are going to pay for that.

I get that we want to keep such a great group together, but there is only so much cap room and so many contracts that can be handed out at one positional group.

Yeah, thats absolutly wishful thinking and I agree K.O will get paid and we won't match. I personally wouldn't write him off, I will admit I've bought into Urschel since his time starting last season in limited action, he certainly impressed me. I see more reasons to let K.O go then keep him but I just believe it is possible, its just that I feel what happens between now and Free Agency is unpredictable at this point.

[GrimCoconut]

I do anticipate K.O will get paid and we opt not too match, I just wouldn't give up on him, IMO there could be teams worried about the injuries. I mean sometimes Free Agency turns on its most anticipated guys. I expect him to get paid reguardless of the injury concerns

Oh, for sure. I don't think the injuries come into play when it comes to getting paid. You just can't account for injuries. KO is going to get paid and he's going to be a 4th round compensatory pick for us, most likely. I'm not sure, though. He may go higher because I think this FA class is pretty crappy, IMO. 

[redlobster]

So more people can complain about Ozzie if Urhsel doesn't perform?

At this point they need to see if urschel can start, after they lose to Arizona, trade ko for at least a 4th ( considering he will net at least a 4th for a comp) and find out if urschel is a future starter or just a quality back-up, instead of going into next season assuming he is good to go.

[balfan23]

You know, I think we have a good shot at keeping K.O.

I remember when people thought Eugene Monroe was going to break the bank and many feared he would be gone, turns out he didn't really break as we thought he would, and thats a bit of a shock given how teams value LT. K.O could return, it just depends on how much free agency values him.

I def. see Canty getting cut as well.

I'm not ruling it out, but I don't know about it being a good shot. 

 

I hate that game 7 has yet to take place and I'm talking about the off-season and salary cap. People are happy about the amount of dead money that goes off the books after this year, but the problem is that I can see a fresh load of new dead money going on the books this off-season... created mostly by Pitta and Webb.

 

If you break out our the list of guys who we have under contract for 2016, we're already very close to the cap and that only includes 40+ players. I think once we go through the roster and release players to create space, we'll have somewhere in the neighborhood of $20M in free cap space, but only 36 roster slots filled and holes at several starting positions. Its going to be hard to fill out that roster with any single high dollar players. Tucker may be the highest paid FA on this team that we'll manage to sign. 

 

There are so many keys to next season and how we fare ... but on this topic, the biggest is how we are able to manage the massive jump in cap regarding Flacco's contract. People talk like it is no problem that that we'll wave a wand and the number will shrink ... but I don't know what to expect. We need a meaningful reduction in that number - and a reduction that is settled on early in the off-season or I think KO will be unable to be retained. 

[PurpleCity5]

I'm not ruling it out, but I don't know about it being a good shot. 

 

I hate that game 7 has yet to take place and I'm talking about the off-season and salary cap. People are happy about the amount of dead money that goes off the books after this year, but the problem is that I can see a fresh load of new dead money going on the books this off-season... created mostly by Pitta and Webb.

 

If you break out our the list of guys who we have under contract for 2016, we're already very close to the cap and that only includes 40+ players. I think once we go through the roster and release players to create space, we'll have somewhere in the neighborhood of $20M in free cap space, but only 36 roster slots filled and holes at several starting positions. Its going to be hard to fill out that roster with any single high dollar players. Tucker may be the highest paid FA on this team that we'll manage to sign. 

 

There are so many keys to next season and how we fare ... but on this topic, the biggest is how we are able to manage the massive jump in cap regarding Flacco's contract. People talk like it is no problem that that we'll wave a wand and the number will shrink ... but I don't know what to expect. We need a meaningful reduction in that number - and a reduction that is settled on early in the off-season or I think KO will be unable to be retained. 

I do see some guys getting cut that will free up some room. I do think that our cap situation may not be as bright as it some may lead it to be. We will have to deal with Flacco's cap spike, not to mention other players who will spike like Pitta and Jimmy, but I still believe we'll have more to work with than last year, though it may not be that great. Oz does have a way of making things work. 

 

As far as K.O goes, I do believe we don't retain him. Maybe saying we have a good shot may not be realistic, but the Free Agency market can get pretty unpredictable. To be honest, I've kind of change my stance on it. I want Brandon Williams all day over K.O who we have to extend, no question about it. I'd rather play a wait-and-see with K.O, let him test the Free Agency market and see how much teams value him. If some crazy thing happens then I guess that turns the tide, if not then you let him go. 

Edited October 25, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[52liveforever]

1. About half the guys that he listed were pretty vital in us winning games last season, which naturally a lot of fans seem to ignore because it doesn't fit their narrative for this season. If you think Williams or Gillmore weren't crucial to our success last season, then you weren't watching games, and I can't help you there.

 

2. If you are referencing my post regarding why the Bears wouldn't trade Jeffery, your post makes no sense. I'm assuming its because, again, you're not actually watching games.

 

Jeffery has been hurt for much of the season, which wouldn't have changed if he was a Raven or a Bear, so if you claim the Bears aren't using him, it means the Ravens aren't using him either, because he can't play. As it were, the two games he did play in, he averaged 6.5 catches for for about 112 yards per game, which is indicative of the exact opposite of somebody not being used.

 

This ain't Madden. Young players playing for cheap who are averaging over 100 yards per game generally aren't traded, regardless of how bad the team is. And by the way... the Bears are in basically a better spot than the Ravens right now.

 

Again, I don't see the logic.

 

It's worse than that he was talking about Cordarrele(spelling?) Patterson. He would trade a third or fourth for...Patterson.

[rmcjacket23]

It's worse than that he was talking about Cordarrele(spelling?) Patterson. He would trade a third or fourth for...Patterson.

O I know who he was talking about. That's what makes it so puzzling...

 

I swear that the Patterson hype train is completely based around Matthew Berry loving him as a fantasy player and him scoring ONE TD against the Ravens two years ago.

 

Other than that, I have no idea what's to like about him to be honest. I suppose everybody loves his speed, but we have a similar speed guy on the roster already that cost us less to obtain.

 

Doesn't make sense to me.

[rmcjacket23]

At this point they need to see if urschel can start, after they lose to Arizona, trade ko for at least a 4th ( considering he will net at least a 4th for a comp) and find out if urschel is a future starter or just a quality back-up, instead of going into next season assuming he is good to go.

And what if nobody wants to trade for him, particularly not knowing if they can sign him to an extension or not?

 

There's also the possibility that we may sign him to an extension...

[rmw10]

O I know who he was talking about. That's what makes it so puzzling...

 

I swear that the Patterson hype train is completely based around Matthew Berry loving him as a fantasy player and him scoring ONE TD against the Ravens two years ago.

 

Other than that, I have no idea what's to like about him to be honest. I suppose everybody loves his speed, but we have a similar speed guy on the roster already that cost us less to obtain.

 

Doesn't make sense to me.

 

I'm convinced most people haven't watched him do anything other that returns.  He's as explosive as they come, but as a WR, he can't run a route, can't catch, and gives up on plays.  Sounds exactly like the type of guy we'd want, right?

[B-more Ravor]

I'm resigned to the fact that KO is gone.  I just can't see us soaking that much money into the OL as a whole.  Yanda and Monroe have the big contracts right now, and Zuttah's isn't exactly small either.  Wagner is up for a contract next year and I'd imagine T is the priority over G, especially with Urschel pegged as KO's replacement for now.  I think it's just tough soaking that much money into one unit when we have other areas that absolutely need to be addressed.

 

 

This absolutely.  Unless the market for KO is way under who anyone would expect, there's no way to keep him, given how their Cap is likely to shape out.  Pay 2 Guard at the top of the market isn't very wise - especially if you have what appears to be a viable option in place - and, as you mentioned, Wagner is also coming up for a deal and you'd rather pay for your RT than your Guard.

[GrimCoconut]

This absolutely. Unless the market for KO is way under who anyone would expect, there's no way to keep him, given how their Cap is likely to shape out. Pay 2 Guard at the top of the market isn't very wise - especially if you have what appears to be a viable option in place - and, as you mentioned, Wagner is also coming up for a deal and you'd rather pay for your RT than your Guard.

Yeah, look at the Saints, who paid both guards big money.

[Cillmatic]

Jaryd Hayne just got cut! We should definitely pick him up.