DefensiveMind top 25 big board (2016) plus top 5 needs

[DefensiveMind]

Big Board

 

1. Joey Bosa (DE-OSU)
2. Jalen Ramsey (CB/S - FSU)
3. Robert Nkemdiche (DT/DE -Ole Miss)
4. Ronnie Stanley (OT-ND)
5. Jaylon Smith (LB-ND)
6. Vernon Hargreaves (CB-Florida)
7. Jared Goff (QB-Cal)
8. Laremy Tunsil (OT-Ole Miss)
9. Laquon Treadwell (WR-Ole Miss)
10. Leonard Floyd (OLB- Georgia)
11. Connor Cook (QB- MSU)
12. DeForest Buckner (DE- Oregon)
13. Myles Jack (LB-UCLA)
14. Kenny Clark (DT- UCLA)
15. Ezekiel Elliot (RB- OSU)
16. Tre'Davious White (CB-LSU)
17. Reggie Ragland (LB- Alabama)
18. Taylor Decker (OT-OSU)
19. Vadal Alexander (OL-LSU)
20. Emmanuel Ogbah (DE- Oklahoma St.) 
21. Shawn Oakman (DE-Baylor)
22. Tyler Boyd (WR- Pitt)
23. Josh Doctson (WR- TCU)
24. Shilique Calhoun (DE-MSU)
25. Kendall Fuller (CB- VT)

 

Top 5 Needs

 

1. CB- Our secondary is awful
2. OLB- Suggs and Dumervil are getting up there
3. WR- Who knows when Perriman will see the field. If SSS is actually retiring, we have an awful group of receivers.
4. DE- We need a pass rush (see need 2)
5. RB- Toss up between RB and OL but they go hand in hand and Forsett is getting up there in age and isn't the game breaker we need for the future.

 

Top 5 at need positions

 

CB

1. Jalen Ramsey
2. Vernon Hargreaves
3. Tre'Davious White
4. Kendall Fuller
5. KeiVarae Russell

OLB

1. Jaylon Smith
2. Leonard Floyd
3. Myles Jack
4. Su'a Cravens
5. Jordan Jenkins

WR

1. Laquon Treadwell
2. Tyler Boyd
3. Josh Doctson
4. Michael Thomas
5. Corey Coleman

DE

1. Joey Bosa
2. Robert Nkemdiche
3. DeForest Buckner
4. Emmanuel Ogbah
5. Shawn Oakman

RB

1. Ezekiel Elliot
2. Derrick Henry
3. Corey Clement
4. Devontae Booker
5. Tre Madden

[JoeyFlex5]

cb isnt the need in the secondary, FS is, its by far a bigger need. 

[Cillmatic]

Currently extremely split between Boyd, Ramsey, Treadwell and Floyd. All four would fill huge needs.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Cillmatic

[RaineV1]

Outside of Bosa, Nkemdiche is the Ravens best chance of fixing the pass rush, and I think he can work as a DE in a 3-4. He's the same size as Watt, and plays similar to the way Watt does. Sadly though, he'll probably be picked before the Ravens have a shot.

[PurpleCity5]

I'm with Joey here, FS is arguably the biggest need on the team along with WR. We have injuries to our pass rushers right now and that's a huge contributing factor. I'm not trying to downplay the need for a pass rusher, it's a huge need but not a bigger one than WR and FS, as far as WRs go we have no play-makers outside of Steve Smith Sr. I also agree with the fact that CB is an overrated need, our guys just need to return to form. We have talent at CB, we have none at FS and arguably WR until we see what Perriman has to offer. 

[Cillmatic]

I'm with Joey here, FS is arguably the biggest need on the team along with WR. We have injuries to our pass rushers right now and that's a huge contributing factor. I'm not trying to downplay the need for a pass rusher, it's a huge need but not a bigger one than WR and FS, as far as WRs go we have no play-makers outside of Steve Smith Sr. I also agree with the fact that CB is an overrated need, our guys just need to return to form. We have talent at CB, we have none at FS and arguably WR until we see what Perriman has to offer.

I can already tell you Perriman isn't gonna be enough. He might be "ok" but we'll still be missing a #1 WR. I would be all for drafting that WR(Boyd, Treadwell) but then we'd miss out on a great safety like Ramsey. Where is the talent at CB though? We only have one good CB on our team, Webb is injury pronex2 and gets burnt regularly, arrington's miss used and Walker is apparently so bad they'd rather put our Backup FS at CB before him. Edited October 16, 2015 by Cillmatic

[PurpleCity5]

I can already tell you Perriman isn't gonna be enough. He might be "ok" but we'll still be missing a #1 WR. I would be all for drafting that WR(Boyd, Treadwell) but then we'd miss out on a great safety like Ramsey. Where is the talent at CB though? We only have one good CB on our team, Webb is injury pronex2 and gets burnt regularly, arrington's miss used and Walker is apparently so bad they'd rather put our Backup FS at CB before him.

How can you say that about Perriman if you haven't seen him play? You just can't tell, you have to evaluate. I said we have "talent", doesn't mean we have CB's that are healthy and elite. Webb only had one injury prone season and that was in 2014. In 2012 he just suffered a freak injury, I don't consider a player to be injury prone if they have an ACL or Achilles tear. Webb has been battling injuries lately but when he's healthy and up to speed, he's a good CB and in some games great. Arrington is mis-used, I agree on that stance but that's because we're forced at times to play him on the outside, normally he plays in the slot as usual. We also have Will Davis who I had high hopes for, I'm hopeful he can come back. 

 

My point is we should prioritize FS, WR and Pass Rusher over CB, doesn't mean I wouldn't rule out or be against drafting or signing a CB. I've even been around the draft board shouting my fandom over Vernon Hargreaves and how it would be great if we drafted him. 

[Cillmatic]

How can you say that about Perriman if you haven't seen him play? You just can't tell, you have to evaluate. I said we have "talent", doesn't mean we have CB's that are healthy and elite. Webb only had one injury prone season and that was in 2014. In 2012 he just suffered a freak injury, I don't consider a player to be injury prone if they have an ACL or Achilles tear. Webb has been battling injuries lately but when he's healthy and up to speed, he's a good CB and in some games great. Arrington is mis-used, I agree on that stance but that's because we're forced at times to play him on the outside, normally he plays in the slot as usual. We also have Will Davis who I had high hopes for, I'm hopeful he can come back.

My point is we should prioritize FS, WR and Pass Rusher over CB, doesn't mean I wouldn't rule out or be against drafting or signing a CB. I've even been around the draft board shouting my fandom over Vernon Hargreaves and how it would be great if we drafted him.

Davis has a pretty worrisome injury history as well.

If you had to pick, let's say Ramsey, Boyd and Treadwell are all on the board which do you pick?

[Inqui]

Davis has a pretty worrisome injury history as well.

If you had to pick, let's say Ramsey, Boyd and Treadwell are all on the board which do you pick?

I could stand to see more of Boyd, but I'm taking Ramsey easily.

[PurpleCity5]

Davis has a pretty worrisome injury history as well.

If you had to pick, let's say Ramsey, Boyd and Treadwell are all on the board which do you pick?

Definitely Ramsey, but that's very dependent at our troubles at the FS position. I feel like these Free Safety's conspire against us. 

[Cillmatic]

Definitely Ramsey, but that's very dependent at our troubles at the FS position. I feel like these Free Safety's conspire against us.

I'm starting to feel the same. As much as I love Boyd, if both those guys are on the board I'd have pick Ramsey and pray that the drop off in WR talent isn't as big as I think it is. Edited October 16, 2015 by Cillmatic

[PurpleCity5]

I'm starting to feel the same. As much as I love Boyd, if both those guys are on the board I'd have pick Ramsey and pray that the drop off in WR talent isn't as big as I think it is.

I'm confident we can get a talent at WR in the 2nd. I def. feel if we don't sign one we'll certainly draft one early. 

[BmoreBird22]

I would be very surprised to see Jack and Jaylon Smith operate as 3-4 OLB

[ravensnick]

I would be very surprised to see Jack and Jaylon Smith operate as 3-4 OLB

Agreed. I'd also argue that while DefensiveMind doesn't have ILB as a need, it definitely is. We only have Daryl for a bit longer and Mosley has struggled in pass coverage recently. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by ravensnick

[JoeyFlex5]

Davis has a pretty worrisome injury history as well.

If you had to pick, let's say Ramsey, Boyd and Treadwell are all on the board which do you pick?

ramsey, hell if we were picking 10th overall id probably still find an alternative to the top 2 wrs. i like treadwell alot, i like boyd, but i dont like the value. they are gonna go as high as the top 2 wr's have went in years past, but i dont think theyre nearly as good, bad value, 

[DefensiveMind]

Agreed. I'd also argue that while DefensiveMind doesn't have ILB as a need, it definitely is. We only have Daryl for a bit longer and Mosley has struggled in pass coverage recently. 

Yeah I agree that it is a need, but I don't think it needs to be addressed until next offseason. I guess at this point the coaches have all but given up on arthur brown, which is disappointing because he is a good coverage ILB. But next year should be the year we start looking for a coverage LB to go with Mosley. Unless a lot of the better talent is gone early and Myles Jack is there for the taking. That would be a nice LB core.

[Cillmatic]

ramsey, hell if we were picking 10th overall id probably still find an alternative to the top 2 wrs. i like treadwell alot, i like boyd, but i dont like the value. they are gonna go as high as the top 2 wr's have went in years past, but i dont think theyre nearly as good, bad value,

Boyd's as good as any WR drafted in the past 3 years IMO.

[JoeyFlex5]

Boyd's as good as any WR drafted in the past 3 years IMO.

i know you like boyd and all, but do you honestly think hes better than amari cooper? if so then youre fanboying at this point lol. i like boyd as well and absolutely have a first round grade on him, but hes no cooper or ODB, cooper could have went first overall and most would have been surprised only by the fact that tampa wasnt taking a qb, both him and ODB very likely will blow past brown/green/megatron as the top wr's in the league by their 3rd years. do you honestly think boyd is that special?

[Robbo15]

Big Board

• Joey Bosa (DE-OSU)
• Jalen Ramsey (CB/S - FSU)
• Robert Nkemdiche (DT/DE -Ole Miss)
• Ronnie Stanley (OT-ND)
• Jaylon Smith (LB-ND)
• Vernon Hargreaves (CB-Florida)
• Jared Goff (QB-Cal)
• Laremy Tunsil (OT-Ole Miss)
• Laquon Treadwell (WR-Ole Miss)
• Leonard Floyd (OLB- Georgia)
• Connor Cook (QB- MSU)
• DeForest Buckner (DE- Oregon)
• Myles Jack (LB-UCLA)
• Kenny Clark (DT- UCLA)
• Ezekiel Elliot (RB- OSU)
• Tre'Davious White (CB-LSU)
• Reggie Ragland (LB- Alabama)
• Taylor Decker (OT-OSU)
• Vadal Alexander (OL-LSU)
• Emmanuel Ogbah (DE- Oklahoma St.)
• Shawn Oakman (DE-Baylor)
• Tyler Boyd (WR- Pitt)
• Josh Doctson (WR- TCU)
• Shilique Calhoun (DE-MSU)
• Kendall Fuller (CB- VT)

Top 5 Needs

• CB- Our secondary is awful
• OLB- Suggs and Dumervil are getting up there
• WR- Who knows when Perriman will see the field. If SSS is actually retiring, we have an awful group of receivers.
• DE- We need a pass rush (see need 2)
• RB- Toss up between RB and OL but they go hand in hand and Forsett is getting up there in age and isn't the game breaker we need for the future.

Top 5 at need positions

CB

• Jalen Ramsey
• Vernon Hargreaves
• Tre'Davious White
• Kendall Fuller
• KeiVarae Russell

OLB

• Jaylon Smith
• Leonard Floyd
• Myles Jack
• Su'a Cravens
• Jordan Jenkins

WR

• Laquon Treadwell
• Tyler Boyd
• Josh Doctson
• Michael Thomas
• Corey Coleman

DE

• Joey Bosa
• Robert Nkemdiche
• DeForest Buckner
• Emmanuel Ogbah
• Shawn Oakman

RB

• Ezekiel Elliot
• Derrick Henry
• Corey Clement
• Devontae Booker
• Tre Madden

when has jaylon been an olb ? He isn't even a passrusher from what I've observed

[Robbo15]

I'm confident we can get a talent at WR in the 2nd. I def. feel if we don't sign one we'll certainly draft one early.

I wanted a top wr aka top 3 Treadwell Boyd and Coleman but I don't think it will happen bc of Permian

[Cillmatic]

i know you like boyd and all, but do you honestly think hes better than amari cooper? if so then youre fanboying at this point lol. i like boyd as well and absolutely have a first round grade on him, but hes no cooper or ODB, cooper could have went first overall and most would have been surprised only by the fact that tampa wasnt taking a qb, both him and ODB very likely will blow past brown/green/megatron as the top wr's in the league by their 3rd years. do you honestly think boyd is that special?

1."As good" does not mean "better".

2. I see no reason why Boyd can't be an elite WR. He's got the routes, speed, hands, and flexibility.

[JoeyFlex5]

1."As good" does not mean "better".

2. I see no reason why Boyd can't be an elite WR. He's got the routes, speed, hands, and flexibility.

i didnt mean to say better, either way, if you honestly say hes as good as cooper or odb then you are overrating him by a large margin. if your definition of elite is being one of the top 5 undisputed dominant wr's, then i dont see it. you have aj green, odb, dez, megatron, julio, brown, and i think megatron is on his way downhill and cooper takes his spot in that truly elite category, no way in hell do i see boyd fitting in the same class as those guys, i just think hes a tier below those guys with the jordy nelson, ty hilton, julian edelman caliber of guys, the ones who are producing at a very high level in a high powered offense, but not someone who just completely takes over games and dominates practically ever defender he faces. i dont see that level of potential in neither him nor treadwell.

[RaineV1]

Agreed. I'd also argue that while DefensiveMind doesn't have ILB as a need, it definitely is. We only have Daryl for a bit longer and Mosley has struggled in pass coverage recently. 

My biggest hope would be that Myles Jack falls a bit due to his injury and the ILB position being undervalued. The Ravens might have a shot at him early in the second, or by trading up from an early second pick into the latter part of the first round. Mosley and Jack would be the perfect combination of ILBs. If not, maybe they can get an athletic linebacker from a smaller school, or maybe one that gets overlooked due to size to be Daryl Smith's successor.

[ravensnick]

My biggest hope would be that Myles Jack falls a bit due to his injury and the ILB position being undervalued. The Ravens might have a shot at him early in the second, or by trading up from an early second pick into the latter part of the first round. Mosley and Jack would be the perfect combination of ILBs. If not, maybe they can get an athletic linebacker from a smaller school, or maybe one that gets overlooked due to size to be Daryl Smith's successor.

I don't want to dream ahead yet but:

 

1st Round: Jalen Ramsey

2nd Round: Myles Jack

3rd: Travin Dural

 

would be something very special

[January J]

I don't want to dream ahead yet but:

1st Round: Jalen Ramsey

2nd Round: Myles Jack

3rd: Travin Dural

would be something very special

sounds good to me. Is it bad that I wish it was April instead of October ? Usually this is my favorite time of year but now I just want the draft & next season to hurry up and get here. Edited October 17, 2015 by January J

[Robbyrobbass]

I can already tell you Perriman isn't gonna be enough. He might be "ok" but we'll still be missing a #1 WR. I would be all for drafting that WR(Boyd, Treadwell) but then we'd miss out on a great safety like Ramsey. Where is the talent at CB though? We only have one good CB on our team, Webb is injury pronex2 and gets burnt regularly, arrington's miss used and Walker is apparently so bad they'd rather put our Backup FS at CB before him.

also can we really not cringe every time Permian runs,cuts or gets hit ? It would be impossible for us fans to think so

[Robbyrobbass]

I would be very surprised to see Jack and Jaylon Smith operate as 3-4 OLB

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