Is Bob Rogucki the real problem?

[Tru11]

people do know we are talking about adults right?

 

they should not have to be pushed to take care off themselfs, train , study and such by coaches.

 

come on these aint kids.

[K-Dog]

are we seriously going to make a thread for everyone in the ravens organisation to be fired?

If Poe gets a thread, I am outta here.

[757RavensFan]

How does the strength and condition coach prevent Steve Smith from getting microfractures in his back or prevent a bulging disk in Camapanaro's back?  We're really reaching for excuses when it should be painfully obvious, that we're just not a good football team right now. 

[jimmypowder]

The worst secondary group with regards to talent or performance?

Both. You got Jimmy and Hill but even they have had terrible games,no doubt due to the surrounding 

cast of characters. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The strength & conditioning coach can't condition a player to avoid an ACL or Achilles tear. It just can't happen. Hamstring injuries, perhaps, but those are also tricky. 

 

Perhaps if you want to blame anyone, blame the coaches who teach the technique. Technique is usually how injuries occur, or rather, improper technique is how they occur.

 

There's more to it than just the injuries, which I agree are sometimes unpredictable and unpreventable. There is a direct correlation between stamina and endurance and proper conditioning. I said this two years ago when we had the same problem and several bloggers just got a big yuck out of my suggestion. I disagree with blaming the coaches for everything that goes wrong on this team. When I tore a rotator cuff lifting weights in a gym, it was my fault. I doubt the Patriots are blaming any of their coaches for LT Nate Solders' torn bicep. Where did individual responsibility go?   

Edited October 14, 2015 by frozen joe flacco fan

[Cville-Raven]

are we seriously going to make a thread for everyone in the ravens organisation to be fired?

"Do we need a new mascot?"

[-Truth-]

Both. You got Jimmy and Hill but even they have had terrible games,no doubt due to the surrounding 

cast of characters. 

 

The former is a significant stretch. The point about the performances isn't necessarily an indicative of the talent itself. I look at teams like Oakland and Jacksonville, for example, and there's no way that I'd consider those groups to be more talented on the back end. We've obviously fared poorly thus far but we're certainly not dead last as far as talent goes.

[Tru11]

"Do we need a new mascot?"

 

do you want to be entertained at home games this season?

[rmcjacket23]

There's more to it than just the injuries, which I agree are sometimes unpredictable and unpreventable. There is a direct correlation between stamina and endurance and proper conditioning. I said this two years ago when we had the same problem and several bloggers just got a big yuck out of my suggestion. I disagree with blaming the coaches for everything that goes wrong on this team. When I tore a rotator cuff lifting weights in a gym, it was my fault. I doubt the Patriots are blaming any of their coaches for LT Nate Solders' torn bicep. Where did individual responsibility go?   

But the irony is... I've seen numerous people on here complaining that they actually think our training camp was too "hard" on the players.

 

So our team by all accounts is completely soft (especially on defense) in terms of doing the things they need to be doing (i.e. playing physical, tackling, etc.), and some people actually have the audacity to blame that on the offseason program being TOO DIFFICULT.

 

Take note that for about 4-5 full months a year, these players are completely on their own from a conditioning standpoint. Its entirely up to them. There's an offseason program beginning in June mostly, then there's another month off, and then there's camp.

 

If we want to blame conditioning, its starts, continues, and ends with the players. If players are doing nothing in terms of keeping themselves in shape and conditioned from January through May, then there's a good chance June-August is going to be incredibly difficult for them in order to break those habits and get back into shape. Only so much a conditioning coach can do in that regard, since he only has access to you for really 2-3 months a year (there's very little "conditioning" going on during the actual season). 

 

Never once heard of a team switching conditioning coaches and all of the sudden the team has gigantic increases in energy...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

then why do they hire and pay a hefty salary to strength and conditioning coaches?

To design, implement and oversee the strength and conditioning program when the players are in the building.

The players attending, going through it, taking it seriously, etc.... Is 100% on them.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

"Do we need a new mascot?"

Poes gotta go!

[frozen joe flacco fan]

But the irony is... I've seen numerous people on here complaining that they actually think our training camp was too "hard" on the players.

 

So our team by all accounts is completely soft (especially on defense) in terms of doing the things they need to be doing (i.e. playing physical, tackling, etc.), and some people actually have the audacity to blame that on the offseason program being TOO DIFFICULT.

 

Take note that for about 4-5 full months a year, these players are completely on their own from a conditioning standpoint. Its entirely up to them. There's an offseason program beginning in June mostly, then there's another month off, and then there's camp.

 

If we want to blame conditioning, its starts, continues, and ends with the players. If players are doing nothing in terms of keeping themselves in shape and conditioned from January through May, then there's a good chance June-August is going to be incredibly difficult for them in order to break those habits and get back into shape. Only so much a conditioning coach can do in that regard, since he only has access to you for really 2-3 months a year (there's very little "conditioning" going on during the actual season). 

 

Never once heard of a team switching conditioning coaches and all of the sudden the team has gigantic increases in energy...

 

Well said! I'm not saying T-Sizzle's Achilles tendon tear was due to his off-season conditioning program or lack thereof but one has to wonder. He did report to training camp overweight I think.

[jimjim5]

I think Bob Rogucki is a major part of the problem. I think his strength and conditioning program emphasizes raw strength and bulk over functional strength. I think he's the main culprit as to why Ravens players start here and in each progressive year they slow down as they bulk up.

The Ravens look to change the full physique of the player as opposed to enhancing the players natural strengths. This can have a negative effect on performance as much as it can be positive IMHO.