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[purpledown]

Flaccos definetly not an elite qb, he has to have a running game to win.Hope Gilmore can play this week, Boyle so far is much better than Williams

[TXRavensFan]

I don't care who the Ravens receivers are. They can put Raymond Berry out there. If Rodgers, Brady, or Unitas were the Ravens QB, the Ravens would be 5-0. Elite QB's win the win tough games in the final drive every time.

 

 

You were saying?

Edited October 14, 2015 by TXRavensFan

[Ravensfolyfe]

Welcome to the never ending revolving door of Ravens Nation bodies.

[Crusader]

Right now Sara you probably could do just as much as he will.

[Halshayeji]

Damn, I thought Kendrick Lewis was a good addition, but I have not seen him do jack. Secondary as a whole, but can't blame them for everything. They have no pass rush help so go figure. Oh and they were not the ones who marched to Cleveland's 10 yard line and instead of going for the W, they were content with kicking a FG and send it to OT. THAT WAS THE MOST DISGRACEFUL PLAY-CALLING in OUR HISTORY!!

U tell me Persian! Lewis was brought down here to not screw up until Elam or Brooks develops. He's not a pro bowler and signed a contract that said just that. Good guy, smart player, just don't expect much more from him. I wasn't expecting much more tbh. We all agree that this D should be playing better, our O on the other hand....... That drive u talked about killed a piece of me from the inside! We wouldn't have even gotten the drive going without that vanilla flag we got earlier then Forsett broke one. Then we just stalked in the red zone. Again! What about that horrendous 2 ot conversion? And the 3 and out to start overtime?

I said this before and I'm say it again. Our biggest loss in the offseason was losing Kupiak.

[stampedehero]

U tell me Persian! Lewis was brought down here to not screw up until Elam or Brooks develops. He's not a pro bowler and signed a contract that said just that. Good guy, smart player, just don't expect much more from him. I wasn't expecting much more tbh. We all agree that this D should be playing better, our O on the other hand....... That drive u talked about killed a piece of me from the inside! We wouldn't have even gotten the drive going without that vanilla flag we got earlier then Forsett broke one. Then we just stalked in the red zone. Again! What about that horrendous 2 ot conversion? And the 3 and out to start overtime?

I said this before and I'm say it again. Our biggest loss in the offseason was losing Kupiak.

Do you mean Kubiak?   Yea  I was there and the stadium gasped for air after those plays.  We should have scored a TD! at the end of the 4thQ

[riseNConquer81]

He's never put up good numbers. I've watched every Flacco game. Even watch the coaches films on game pass. How would you know who's open btw when the tv perspective only shows where he throws... 2 or 3 times all year? I can show you 2 or 3 times he missed a wide open reciever in the 4th qtr and OT... last game. There's an article right now showing how he missed Aiken for a game winning TD not to mention Givens 1st route he got 5 yds behind his corner w no one over top... you can see how mad he was Joe didn't even look his way. How can you say the line played good 1 day when he's hardly ever hit and sacked for the ammount of attempts he has... makes no sense.

who is he gonna put up good numbers with?! 5 years after they draft him they finally managed to put together an OK offense for him, and then immediately blew the whole thing up.

I dont know if you knew this, but game pass is available to more than one person. i already said you could probably remember two or three teams...but that's ALL you got.

by all means, put together a list for me if you think you can, i'll be glad to go over each play you bring up and show you where and why you're wrong.

and just because he didnt get hit or sacked doesnt mean the line has been playing well. Hurst cant handle rushers on the left side. Joe is aware of his crumbling pocket and gets the ball out of his hands, that's why he hasnt been sacked much. But thats also why we cant move the ball: when he doesnt have time to throw or wait for his bad receivers to finally get open one day, our offense stalls.

You're problem is you look at everything in a vacuum, you dont see how one things affects another.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

who is he gonna put up good numbers with?! 5 years after they draft him they finally managed to put together an OK offense for him, and then immediately blew the whole thing up.

I dont know if you knew this, but game pass is available to more than one person. i already said you could probably remember two or three teams...but that's ALL you got.

by all means, put together a list for me if you think you can, i'll be glad to go over each play you bring up and show you where and why you're wrong.

and just because he didnt get hit or sacked doesnt mean the line has been playing well. Hurst cant handle rushers on the left side. Joe is aware of his crumbling pocket and gets the ball out of his hands, that's why he hasnt been sacked much. But thats also why we cant move the ball: when he doesnt have time to throw or wait for his bad receivers to finally get open one day, our offense stalls.

You're problem is you look at everything in a vacuum, you dont see how one things affects another.

Yeah looking at career stats and comparing them to other QBs really isn't fair to Flacco. Nothing will change your mind he's the best QB in the league and the front office just sabotages him yearly. One of these days when they put the right receivers around him and he gets a decent line and an all pro RB he'll get his completion percentage up and finally pass for 4000 yards and stop forcing the ball into double covered receivers. I have seen the light. How lucky we are to have a leader like him in this locker room taking ownership and getting this thing back together. Because missing Givens and Aiken who were open for TDs isnt enough to sway you in the least. So on the plays you do see like him missing about half the passes on crossing routes and screens how do you explain that? Who's fault is that he can't throw a 5yd pass accurate half the time? I guess I'm seeing those in a vacuum too. If you can dismiss every stat I'd love to hear what his strengths are to you. Please respond and tell me you think he's playing well... Please! I love how every bad Flacco stat is someone elses fault. He threw a pick... recievers fault. He got sacked... lines fault, waiting for recievers to get open. Inaccuracy... he had to throw it quick because of pressure... LOL. We've had probowl RB, lineman, WR, Kickers, all over the defense and no one has ever thought about putting him in one. Must be the teams around him.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Run Pass Pass Punt

[riseNConquer81]

Yeah looking at career stats and comparing them to other QBs really isn't fair to Flacco. Nothing will change your mind he's the best QB in the league and the front office just sabotages him yearly.

sarcastic hyperbole does not strengthen your point or disprove mine.

 

One of these days when they put the right receivers around him and he gets a decent line and an all pro RB he'll get his completion percentage up and finally pass for 4000 yards and stop forcing the ball into double covered receivers. I have seen the light. How lucky we are to have a leader like him in this locker room taking ownership and getting this thing back together. Because missing Givens and Aiken who were open for TDs isnt enough to sway you in the least.

see above.

 

So on the plays you do see like him missing about half the passes on crossing routes and screens how do you explain that?

i havent seen that, and you havent told me which ones youre talking about. i cant explain figments of your imagination. what you perceive as a "miss" is probably just a bad decision in all actuality; and you just dont understand WHY it wouldve been a bad decision. but like i said: you cant point out any specific plays (aside from the ones the announcers told you about) so i guess we'll never know.

 

Who's fault is that he can't throw a 5yd pass accurate half the time?

provide evidence of this.

according to his stat sheet, he completes 72% of passes thrown 1-10 yards.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11252/joe-flacco

(half the time wold be 50%, fyi...)

 

I guess I'm seeing those in a vacuum too.

yeah, pretty much. you're also flat out wrong, as i just demonstrated.

 

If you can dismiss every stat I'd love to hear what his strengths are to you. Please respond and tell me you think he's playing well... Please!

in other words, since you cant defend your position, now you want to shift the burden of proof onto me. lol

 

I love how every bad Flacco stat is someone elses fault. He threw a pick... recievers fault. He got sacked... lines fault, waiting for recievers to get open. Inaccuracy... he had to throw it quick because of pressure... LOL.

depends on which pick you're talking about. some are the receivers fault. some are his. some couldnt be helped because there's nothing else you could do under the circumstances.

if he gets sacked, that IS the line's fault. that's never not gonna be the line's fault. he cant block for himself. dont know what you're trying to say there.

and now you're just contradicting yourself. You're mad he gets sacked, so he throws it before the play develops to avoid the sack and now you're mad it wasnt accurate.

also in hilariously ironic and hypocritical fashion, cant help but notice you absolve all other players on the offense of their flaws in order to blame everything on Flacco as you attempt to chastise me for doing the same...even though i never did that.

 

We've had probowl RB, lineman, WR, Kickers, all over the defense and no one has ever thought about putting him in one. Must be the teams around him.

kickers arent part of the offense, that's irrelevant.

Defense...obviously isnt part of the offense...also irrelevant.

and Flacco actually declined the pro bowl recently sooo...you're wrong there too.

Edited October 15, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

sarcastic hyperbole does not strengthen your point or disprove mine.

 

see above.

 

i havent seen that, and you havent told me which ones youre talking about. i cant explain figments of your imagination. what you perceive as a "miss" is probably just a bad decision in all actuality; and you just dont understand WHY it wouldve been a bad decision. but like i said: you cant point out any specific plays (aside from the ones the announcers told you about) so i guess we'll never know.

 

provide evidence of this.

according to his stat sheet, he completes 72% of passes thrown 1-10 yards.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11252/joe-flacco

(half the time wold be 50%, fyi...)

 

yeah, pretty much. you're also flat out wrong, as i just demonstrated.

 

in other words, since you cant defend your position, now you want to shift the burden of proof onto me. lol

 

depends on which pick you're talking about. some are the receivers fault. some are his. some couldnt be helped because there's nothing else you could do under the circumstances.

if he gets sacked, that IS the line's fault. that's never not gonna be the line's fault. he cant block for himself. dont know what you're trying to say there.

and now you're just contradicting yourself. You're mad he gets sacked, so he throws it before the play develops to avoid the sack and now you're mad it wasnt accurate.

also in hilariously ironic and hypocritical fashion, cant help but notice you absolve all other players on the offense of their flaws in order to blame everything on Flacco as you attempt to chastise me for doing the same...even though i never did that.

 

kickers arent part of the offense, that's irrelevant.

Defense...obviously isnt part of the offense...also irrelevant.

and Flacco actually declined the pro bowl recently sooo...you're wrong there too.

The fact you spent all that time to defend him speaks to your bias. I never said the rest of the offense is obsolved - simply that Joe is a big part of the problem. Joe is not a QB that makes players around him better and that's what it all comes down to.

[purpledown]

can he help? NO

[riseNConquer81]

The fact you spent all that time to defend him speaks to your bias. I never said the rest of the offense is obsolved - simply that Joe is a big part of the problem. Joe is not a QB that makes players around him better and that's what it all comes down to.

Im just pointing out all the incorrect and nonsensical things you keep saying. there is no bias on my end. Since you're attacking him: disproving you and defending him are mutually inclusive activities. there's no way i could do one without doing the other. if you say something true, or at least plausible, i'll happily concede the point. the only bias being exhibited here is yours against Flacco as you continue to press the narrative that he's such a terrible QB and everything i his fault despite having been proven wrong multiple times.

you refuse to acknowledge the role of other players in Joe's performance and sarcastically dismiss plausible explanations of Joe's struggles whenever they are related to other players at every turn. Sounds like absolution to me.

What this all comes down to is the need to eliminate this weird mythical idea fans hold that some quarterbacks can magically hand out talent to bad players somehow. That's not how it works. that's never been how it works. Nothing Joe does matters if the guys he's working with dont have the talent to begin with.

Edited October 15, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[RavenzOz]

The secondary is the least plug and play position group on a team. We seriously need to find four good players who can stay healthy and play as a group for more than a single game.

And Danny Shelton, you're just flat out dirty.

[January J]

sarcastic hyperbole does not strengthen your point or disprove mine. see above. i havent seen that, and you havent told me which ones youre talking about. i cant explain figments of your imagination. what you perceive as a "miss" is probably just a bad decision in all actuality; and you just dont understand WHY it wouldve been a bad decision. but like i said: you cant point out any specific plays (aside from the ones the announcers told you about) so i guess we'll never know. provide evidence of this.according to his stat sheet, he completes 72% of passes thrown 1-10 yards.http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11252/joe-flacco(half the time wold be 50%, fyi...) yeah, pretty much. you're also flat out wrong, as i just demonstrated. in other words, since you cant defend your position, now you want to shift the burden of proof onto me. lol depends on which pick you're talking about. some are the receivers fault. some are his. some couldnt be helped because there's nothing else you could do under the circumstances.if he gets sacked, that IS the line's fault. that's never not gonna be the line's fault. he cant block for himself. dont know what you're trying to say there.and now you're just contradicting yourself. You're mad he gets sacked, so he throws it before the play develops to avoid the sack and now you're mad it wasnt accurate.also in hilariously ironic and hypocritical fashion, cant help but notice you absolve all other players on the offense of their flaws in order to blame everything on Flacco as you attempt to chastise me for doing the same...even though i never did that. kickers arent part of the offense, that's irrelevant.Defense...obviously isnt part of the offense...also irrelevant.and Flacco actually declined the pro bowl recently sooo...you're wrong there too.

I don't really remember having any pro bowl receivers either...in fact we've had zero. No tight ends either. Just sayin. Edited October 15, 2015 by January J

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

Im just pointing out all the incorrect and nonsensical things you keep saying. there is no bias on my end. Since you're attacking him: disproving you and defending him are mutually inclusive activities. there's no way i could do one without doing the other. if you say something true, or at least plausible, i'll happily concede the point. the only bias being exhibited here is yours against Flacco as you continue to press the narrative that he's such a terrible QB and everything i his fault despite having been proven wrong multiple times.

you refuse to acknowledge the role of other players in Joe's performance and sarcastically dismiss plausible explanations of Joe's struggles whenever they are related to other players at every turn. Sounds like absolution to me.

What this all comes down to is the need to eliminate this weird mythical idea fans hold that some quarterbacks can magically hand out talent to bad players somehow. That's not how it works. that's never been how it works. Nothing Joe does matters if the guys he's working with dont have the talent to begin with.

Dude the whole team is playing bad, I never said it's all Flacco's fault. I will say it again since you can't seem to understand it. He is playing bad and is part of the problem. Sorry if that's not grandiloquent enough. You should be writing these propaganda articles for br.com. He is overpaid and not elite, wish he was, love the Ravens. People that are saying he's the saving grace of our season are crazy. He'll throw for his 215yds... maybe 1TD and prb 1INT... play just good enough to stay close so it's a coin toss finish. He is gloriously inconsistent and mediocre - has been and probably always will be. Better get on Mink for that Flacco has not been clutch article just posted... he must be watching some different games too.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Run Pass Pass Punt

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

I don't really remember having any pro bowl receivers either...in fact we've had zero. Just sayin.

Anquan Boldin went to 2, sorry if they weren't for us, all his talent was gone when he got to us I guess.

[burnbigben]

The game ain't changed that much.

 

There's about 2-3 teams a year that actually average 30 PPG. Good offenses score about 25.

 

nope. not anymore.

[January J]

Dude the whole team is playing bad, I never said it's all Flacco's fault. I will say it again since you can't seem to understand it. He is playing bad and is part of the problem. Sorry if that's not grandiloquent enough. You should be writing these propaganda articles for br.com. He is overpaid and not elite, wish he was, love the Ravens.

he may not be lighting the nfl on fire so far but he has put us in the position to win EVERY game so far. Week 1 there were 2 dropped potential game winning touchdowns and every other game he gave us the lead late in the 4th only for the defense to blow it. All with barely any weapons. I admit he could be playing better but he's definitely not the problem.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

he may not be lighting the nfl on fire so far but he has put us in the position to win EVERY game so far. Week 1 there were 2 dropped potential game winning touchdowns and every other game he gave us the lead late in the 4th only for the defense to blow it. All with barely any weapons. I admit he could be playing better but he's definitely not the problem

Once again... never said he's the problem... he's part of it. 120M should buy more than average and inconsistent. I would say the stats don't lie but as you guys keep pointing out... some how they don't matter. 120M QB worst 4th qtr QBR doesn't go together. The bums making league min are playing like... bums making league min... no suprise there.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Run Pass Pass Punt

[January J]

Once again... never said he's the problem... he's part of it. 120M should buy more than average and inconsistent. I would say the stats don't lie but as you guys keep pointing out... some how they don't matter. 120M QB worst 4th qtr QBR doesn't go together. The bums making league min are playing like... bums making league min... no suprise there.

so what do you suggest we do? Get rid of him? Give him a pay cut? Just curious bc many ppl love to point out problems but rarely have viable solutions. And 120m isn't that much anymore. Look at the contracts that other quarterbacks are getting nowadays. I'd much rather have flacco for what we're paying than Ryan tannehill.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

so what do you suggest we do? Get rid of him? Give him a pay cut? Just curious bc many ppl love to point out problems but rarely have viable solutions. And 120m isn't that much anymore. Look at the contracts that other quarterbacks are getting nowadays. I'd much rather have flacco for what we're paying than Ryan tannehill

He's by far the best QB we've had since I've pulled for the Ravens. I wish he'd have better field vision and make better protection adjustments against obvious blitzes. His arm strength is great and he's pretty athletic. Joe seems to struggle with anticipation throws. If Kubiak was still here I think we'd be doing much better. He moved the pocket a lot and made the reads quicker and more simplified. Of course he'll be taking a pay cut after this year. Joes just a middle of the pack QB and without a stacked team around him we will continue to be sub 500. Looking around the league right now I'd say he's about the 15th best QB. I just hate hearing how everyone is letting him down when he's playing crappy just like everyone else - for the most part. We keep letting FA go and get those comp picks but outside of Davis, Williams and Mosely... the last 3 or 4 drafts are contributing 0 right now. We keep bringing in these average guys and talking them up like they're good enough to take the places of all-pro's and legends. I read once the Ravens have this formula - if they can get 80% of the perfonance out of a player for half the price then it's a good swap. If you keep following that philosophy eventually you'll end up with average talent everywhere. But to be honest I think where were lacking the most is in emotional leaders. It's easy to dismiss the importance of it with all the analytics these days but as anyone can tell you who's played organized sports having an emotional leader that can also bring it on the field is huge to establishing an identity. That's where I feel Joe needs to step up the most. He looks and acts so indifferent or laissez-faire evertime you see him. It's about time to blow it up and start over. We need to rehaul the secondary... get some mean, fast, ugly, speed rushers. The defensive line will be fine, our guards are top notch. Need more consistent tackles. Obviously a true number one WR... who knows if Perriman will ever stay healthy... and for the love of god quit bringing in and drafting injury prone players... I can't imagine after this year we'll still be so willing to bring in these projects. I'm not sure about the RB position TBH... Tailaferro can't stay on the filed... we'll see about Buck Allen soon enough. Forsett maybe has a couple of years left and I really like his running style. I keep getting crucified for not being blindly optimisitc on here but man I have to make sense to someone.

[rmcjacket23]

nope. not anymore.

Sorry, those are cold hard stats bud.

 

Sorry again, but there is not factual support for your claim. So... wrong.

[rmcjacket23]

He's by far the best QB we've had since I've pulled for the Ravens. I wish he'd have better field vision and make better protection adjustments against obvious blitzes. His arm strength is great and he's pretty athletic. Joe seems to struggle with anticipation throws. If Kubiak was still here I think we'd be doing much better. He moved the pocket a lot and made the reads quicker and more simplified. Of course he'll be taking a pay cut after this year. Joes just a middle of the pack QB and without a stacked team around him we will continue to be sub 500. Looking around the league right now I'd say he's about the 15th best QB. I just hate hearing how everyone is letting him down when he's playing crappy just like everyone else - for the most part. We keep letting FA go and get those comp picks but outside of Davis, Williams and Mosely... the last 3 or 4 drafts are contributing 0 right now. We keep bringing in these average guys and talking them up like they're good enough to take the places of all-pro's and legends. I read once the Ravens have this formula - if they can get 80% of the perfonance out of a player for half the price then it's a good swap. If you keep following that philosophy eventually you'll end up with average talent everywhere. But to be honest I think where were lacking the most is in emotional leaders. It's easy to dismiss the importance of it with all the analytics these days but as anyone can tell you who's played organized sports having an emotional leader that can also bring it on the field is huge to establishing an identity. That's where I feel Joe needs to step up the most. He looks and acts so indifferent or laissez-faire evertime you see him. It's about time to blow it up and start over. We need to rehaul the secondary... get some mean, fast, ugly, speed rushers. The defensive line will be fine, our guards are top notch. Need more consistent tackles. Obviously a true number one WR... who knows if Perriman will ever stay healthy... and for the love of god quit bringing in and drafting injury prone players... I can't imagine after this year we'll still be so willing to bring in these projects. I'm not sure about the RB position TBH... Tailaferro can't stay on the filed... we'll see about Buck Allen soon enough. Forsett maybe has a couple of years left and I really like his running style. I keep getting crucified for not being blindly optimisitc on here but man I have to make sense to someone.

Well, if there's a few things we know for sure...

 

1. Emotional leadership at the QB position is incredibly overrated and frankly isn't even needed. No shortage of unbelievably great QB leaders in this league who don't show the emotion that only fans care about.

 

2. Just so you are aware, the formula isn't 80% production for 50% price... its 80% production for 20% of the price. If you paid 50% of the price, you'd be broke and wouldn't be able to afford the good players or the average players.

 

Plus 80% production from a great player wouldn't make you average to begin with...

 

3. For certain, this fanbase isn't realistic when it comes to the whole "rebuilding" philosophy. While I don't agree with about half of your assessment of need areas, IF we were to agree that all the needs you addressed are required, you're probably looking forward to at least 2-3 MORE years of below average performance, and that puts Joe 3-4 years away from the decline/retirement stage, in which case you have maybe a 3 year window to win another title, assuming everything goes exactly how you want it do (which of course it never does). 

 

Then, once Joe's done, you might as well blow the whole team up again, because without a QB you got nothing and the level of QBs coming out of college these days is downright awful.

 

So basically, be the Cleveland Browns for the next decade is what I'm hearing.

 

Something tells me the fanbase wouldn't exactly react well to that. You're overreacting.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

Well, if there's a few things we know for sure...

 

1. Emotional leadership at the QB position is incredibly overrated and frankly isn't even needed. No shortage of unbelievably great QB leaders in this league who don't show the emotion that only fans care about.

 

2. Just so you are aware, the formula isn't 80% production for 50% price... its 80% production for 20% of the price. If you paid 50% of the price, you'd be broke and wouldn't be able to afford the good players or the average players.

 

Plus 80% production from a great player wouldn't make you average to begin with...

 

3. For certain, this fanbase isn't realistic when it comes to the whole "rebuilding" philosophy. While I don't agree with about half of your assessment of need areas, IF we were to agree that all the needs you addressed are required, you're probably looking forward to at least 2-3 MORE years of below average performance, and that puts Joe 3-4 years away from the decline/retirement stage, in which case you have maybe a 3 year window to win another title, assuming everything goes exactly how you want it do (which of course it never does). 

 

Then, once Joe's done, you might as well blow the whole team up again, because without a QB you got nothing and the level of QBs coming out of college these days is downright awful.

 

So basically, be the Cleveland Browns for the next decade is what I'm hearing.

 

Something tells me the fanbase wouldn't exactly react well to that. You're overreacting.

Curious the half you don't agree with...

[riseNConquer81]

I don't really remember having any pro bowl receivers either...in fact we've had zero. No tight ends either. Just sayin.

Heap went twice.

Mase and Anquan were in a few each before they got to us. Probably Housh too, cant remember off the top of my head.

but its all irrelevant to his very flawed point anyway. except for Mase (who was on his retirement bed) and Anquan, we've never had a stable of them, in their primes, lined up for Joe to choose from like the other quarterbacks he keeps trying to compare him to have. he thinks one formerly prolific guy on the last 2 or 3 years of his career equals a stud unity somehow. it hardly matters.

Edited October 16, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[riseNConquer81]

Dude the whole team is playing bad, I never said it's all Flacco's fault. I will say it again since you can't seem to understand it. He is playing bad and is part of the problem.

thats nice that you never said it in exactly those words, but you're exclusively attacking him and categorically ignoring any affect the bad performance of his supporting cast has on his own performance, so you might as well have. its the same thing.

 

He is overpaid and not elite, wish he was, love the Ravens. People that are saying he's the saving grace of our season are crazy. He'll throw for his 215yds... maybe 1TD and prb 1INT... play just good enough to stay close so it's a coin toss finish. He is gloriously inconsistent and mediocre - has been and probably always will be.

see you did it again.

rattling off a bunch of out of context stats and ignoring the fact that its REALLY hard to put up hall of fame numbers when Darren Waller, Kamar Aiken, and Jeremy Ross are your top eligibles. 2 journeymen practice squadders, and a practice squad rookie. No deep threat.

Name me one of your "elite" guys that put up their numbers with a receiver corps that looks even remotely as bad as Flacco's. I'll wait....

Once again... never said he's the problem... he's part of it. 120M should buy more than average and inconsistent.

except that consistently setting up wins with next to no weapons isnt "average" so you dont make any sense.

Not to mention that he's never going to sniff $120M since he'll be getting a new contract in the off season.

Edited October 16, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[rmcjacket23]

Curious the half you don't agree with...

1. Think are tackles are just fine. You don't need stud tackles in this league anymore, and I think it'd be extremely difficult to find better one's, either in FA for a reasonable price or via the draft, where quailty offensive lineman seem to be on the decline. 

 

2. Don't think we need a "true #1 WR", because I don't think we've really had one in franchise history, and a lot of the teams that have elite WRs struggle to win on an annual basis. I think we certainly need better WRs than what we have, but we don't need a Calvin Johnson.

 

3. I don't know how the FO is supposed to "stop bringing in injury prone players". Judging injuries based on college is borderline impossible and far from fool proof, and if you didn't sign FA's who had past injuries, then you wouldn't be able to sign anybody.

 

Its the NFL. Everybody gets hurt eventually. Before the end of his career, Joe Flacco will almost certainly suffer some sort of significant injury. It happens to the best at basically every position on an annual basis. 

[January J]

Heap went twice.Mase and Anquan were in a few each before they got to us. Probably Housh too, cant remember off the top of my head.but its all irrelevant to his very flawed point anyway. except for Mase (who was on his retirement bed) and Anquan, we've never had a stable of them, in their primes, lined up for Joe to choose from like the other quarterbacks he keeps trying to compare him to have. he thinks one formerly prolific guy on the last 2 or 3 years of his career equals a stud unity somehow. it hardly matters.

was talking about in the harbaugh- flacco era.. The Ravens have never sent a wr or te to the pro bowl during flacco and harbaughs tenure.

[goldenboldin]

"tore it up"....he had 3 catches total, don't know why he has sudden cult status but he's hardly earned a roster spot at this point

 

And a couple touchdowns in those 3 catches. Exactly how many TD's does Marlon Brown have in 5 weeks? Aiken? Thought so. At this point Dan Brown isn't much better nor worse than the C quality starters on the Ravens

[VeiledPsychosis]

And a couple touchdowns in those 3 catches. Exactly how many TD's does Marlon Brown have in 5 weeks? Aiken? Thought so. At this point Dan Brown isn't much better nor worse than the C quality starters on the Ravens

you're very easily impressed, aren't you? 3 catches and 2 TDs against 3/4th stringers, no he is nowhere near as good as anyone on the active roster, he didn't even make the practice squad. It's great that he can elevate over arena football players in the redzone but that means nothing if he contributes zilch to get there