[News] John Harbaugh Outlines 3 Changes To Win

[ravenstime]

We've got a bunch of starters that are making penalties, then they're getting injured and even younger guys and more inexperienced guys are steeping onto the field and they're making mistakes, too. It's tough when you say 'Goodbye' to a lot of veterans in order to save money. Then you don't have the leadership that some have talked about as being missing from this team. I know we're all about drafting players and getting a lot of draft picks and so on, but we need to start paying VETERAN players enough to keep them here, in Baltimore. Otherwise, we're left with a team of hacks.

Dumervil is a leader and a veteran. Suggs, though he's out for the year, is a veteran. They're few and far between on this team, imo. And Flacco is an 8 year veteran, but he doesn't get players fired up and I like Joe regardless, but we do need to pay experienced players to entice them to stay here.

[Baller MD]

I don't know what to say, it's the same thing every week from Harbaugh. We don't need coaching changes, we have the guys to win the game, we have to close the games in the 4th quarter, etc., etc. Maybe when the Ravens are 1 and 8 He' say we need a change. I don't get it.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth.  When I saw the headline "Harbaugh Outlines 3 Changes To Win" I was excited and thought there'd be actual detailed "changes" about to take place to get us back in the "W" column.  Unfortunately, it's more of the same meaningless post game rambling we get after every lose.  Maybe I'm expecting too much.  I'm even more disappointed that Harbs says no coaches are in danger of being fired.  Great!  So, basically they get a license to keep under-performing - Pees in particular.  SMH.  I hate to say it but maybe it "will" take a few more loses for this to sink in to Coach Harbaugh's brain.  He's not use to losing like this so maybe he can't fully appreciate or process this losing season yet.  

 

On a side note:  Just watched the Steelers-Chargers game and I'm even more pissed that Pittsburgh is able to win a clutch game with a washed-up backup  against Rivers on the road, yet we can't seem to do it in 4 out of 5 games.  What is going on?

[AsianRice]

Lets hear what he would say when we are 1-10; no need to change cuz we have the right staffs to win....right...delusional?......John wants his own team and now he got it and it is how it turns out.....why do we have to suffer winning or lose close game very time ever since Pees took over the Defense? it is the one man cancer and it is benign so all he needs is to cut it and we are good.....

[Baller MD]

Harbaugh inherited a winning team with,if not the best,one of the best defenses in NFL history.In his attempt to try to make it an offensive threat he has completely demolished what was once a great defense.Now we have an alright offense with a mediocre defense.The thing about it is it's not all on the players(although there are quite a few just in it for a paycheck).Some of the play calling on both sides of the are very questionable.Well I guess we can chalk this year up as a rebuild.

 

Hmmm, I think Ozzie is more to blame for personnel missteps than Harbs is.  And exactly what did either do to try and make this team more of  an offensive threat?  I have not seen any recent additions to the offense other than SSS that were impressive and maybe Perriman but he's unproven.  And even with SSS we knew from the beginning he would only be a short-term solution for our receiver corp.   If anything, it's the opposite, since the SB a least, our WR corp (and therefore offense) has been mostly gutted... 

[ravens4life86]

My biggest problem with Harbaugh and has been his entire tenure as HC is, after Ray, Reed Era.... And he got more pull in power structure of team... He got rid of all the "DOGS" ,He Got rid of all the "SUPERIOR TALENTED PLAYERS" who show upon Sundays... For "YES MEN" that fall in line "Work hard,and play hard" his favorite lame excuse punchline after every defeat... Instead of keeping,Boldin,Pollard,Jacoby etc all these Alpha male DOGs who show up on Sundays.

So while I put blame on Dean Pees for not being great as Rex or Pagano, and put blame on Oz and front office for horrible drafts recently..Elam,Art Brown, Kindle(not his fault) but a lot of 1,2nd round busts...compared to early years...

I put more blame on Harbaugh for being like Chip Kelly.. Being half GM/Half coach and depleting this roster of talent because he isnt man enough to handle alpha DOGs football player..liie a Boldin,Pollard etc..

Ravens need to say John it doesnt matter what you think...your going to deal with the characters we draft.. Bring back those players who have that Ravens SWAGGER. No more YES MEN! Fake tough guys...

Steve Smith is like the only REAL tough guy on this team.. Its sad.. Harbaugh influence made Ravens soft almost.

People used to fear the Rsvens

[Purple Dawg 96]

When in the redzone and Justin went down "WHY " keep running instead of hitting Williams or Boyle with size advantages! And the Defense is stepping up and blaming themselves when they "NEVER" pointed any fingers at the Offense because Ray Ray didn't allow it now people want to point fingers at them now! Joe Flacco missed Givens down the sidelines for a TD and had Marlon open going across the middle on a play but people scared to say anything about his play but can point fingers at everyone but him! When in OT the Offense went vanilla no since of urgency and wanted the Defense to do a 3 and out when in fact the Offense should of went no huddle or something! Joe needs to start looking at the photos on the sidelines like all the other QBs do because I feel the Ravens can win w/o him! He just shrugs his shoulders and walks off the field like "Get me some WRs" when he isn't moving around in the pocket and he just throws with no sincerity on the pass making people like Marlon look bad all behind him or too low to the ground! Throwing that very very very bad pass last season is going a long way because WE SHOULD OF WON A SUPER BOWL last season!

[BallSoHard_University]

#1- Don't forget all the Dead Money on our cap with Ray Rice etc

#2- Injuries are killing us this year, reminds me of ATL last year (now 5-0)

#3- Offense shouldn't be blaming Defense, and Defense should never blame Offense, last time i checked its a team effort and they should be getting each other fired up and not pointing fingers.

#4- Wayyyy To relaxed on the play calling in the second half,I get that the run game was working, but throw the ball!!!! the play calling with Trestman is wary to obvious, and the short dinky passes are just getting way to out of control

#5- I don't see us going after a WR now in FA after that loss, but I wouldn't mind seeing Reggie Wayne or Wes Welker (Yeah injury prone ) but just one of their presence of a big time name coming into the locker room can give the team a spark- I feel like everyones waiting around for someone to do something, no one's stepping up right now to be the leader---- PATHETIC

[RaRaRavens]

I can't believe that crap. Seriously! How can Harbs say that he's confident in what the defense, namely DC is doing?!

 

He himself said with quite a bit of frustration in the preseason that for once he'd like to see his defense stop opponents within last 2 minutes of a half. Out of the last 10 games including playoffs and preseason, defense has given up leads at the end of halves in 8 of those games!!!

 

Has he forgot about his opinion during the preseason?! Why is he being ignorant regards to his DC's incompetence?? And this is not the first time Harbs is going about business very very unprofessionally based solely on his personal relations.

 

I seriously believe he's an onverrated HC. He has been blessed to have been surrounded with some of the best players and FO of all time. Now when he needs to be top tier and make tough business decisions, we see his true standard. He's a good coach, but he's not among the best in the league, definitely not a top 5 coach.

Edited October 13, 2015 by RaRaRavens

[Dorota]

I could have told the team they need to close out the 4th quarter and that they need to win games, thus I hope they have a more specifically actionable plan than that.

 

Since the losses might never have happened but for penalties I'd take that one thing from Rex Ryan and introduce push-ups/burpees for every single penalty committed in practice and then double that for every penalty in the game. They can do them to start first practice of the week. It would be easier to take the losses if they came to teams that were genuinely more talented, but they didn't. The losses were mostly self-inflicted.

Edited October 13, 2015 by Dorota

[Dorota]

I can't believe that crap. Seriously! How can Harbs say that he's confident in what the defense, namely DC is doing?!

 

He himself said with quite a bit of frustration in the preseason that for once he'd like to see his defense stop opponents within last 2 minutes of a half. Out of the last 10 games including playoffs and preseason, defense has given up leads at the end of halves in 8 of those games!!!

 

Has he forgot about his opinion during the preseason?! Why is he being ignorant regards to his DC's incompetence?? And this is not the first time Harbs is going about business very very unprofessionally based solely on his personal relations.

 

I seriously believe he's an onverrated HC. He has been blessed to have been surrounded with some of the best players and FO of all time. Now when he needs to be top tier and make tough business decisions, we see his true standard. He's a good coach, but he's not among the best in the league, definitely not a top 5 coach.

I disagee and think he is indeed a great coach, however he does share a trait with his brother and that is that he's not very good at talking to the media when things go south and on football specific topics. He won't tell media anything and will give you the same thing over and over until you're sick of it. However, as long as he's got the message straight internally and passes on what needs to be heard in the locker room and behind closed doors with coaches, I'm fine with that. Not throwing your people to the dogs is an honorable trait.

[Ravens_Flock]

Coach speak.

[DENNYK]

As long as the LB's and secondary are playing as they are we are doomed. Being out of position on just about every play is killing us. Don't know why this is not noticed and corrected. Could the talent of those on the field be the main factor? we can all jump on the coaches each week. We should be realizing that our secondary is mostly castoffs from around the league that need to learn to paly as a unit. That won't happen as long as they are getting hurt every game and leaving the field. Next man up only works if you have the ability to step in and make a difference. What we have on the bench is not able to do that this year. Harbs has to remain positive and show his trust and belief in his players. He really has no other options

[stampedehero]

He has to state something positive.  The Steelers did what we could not do and won their game in SD while we settled for OT and gave Cleveland the momentum to carry on.   

[Minionhunter]

He is calling out the coaches effectiveness in a non - threatening manner. He knows what is going on. He must be positive, getting bent and raging at this point will accomplish nothing. I think that reed20fence may have a point in the precise wording about the firing of Cam Cameron, we should really look into that for comparison with Pees.

[HayintheBarn]

Anyone else think the three points are too simplistic? Like why not just say "It's as easy as 1, 2, 3. 1. Score more points. 2. Give up fewer points. 3. Make sure the number of points we score is more than we allow."

[KidNme]

Just like you shouldn't get too excited when we win a game, you should come off the ledge now. It's just football, not our military.

Yes, our season is over because I just don't see how we can replace as many players as we need to and get rolling in time to make a splash. Since we've already lost our allotted games for the year, we'd have to run the table and that's not happening.

They shouldn't give up by any means however, you'd be kidding yourself to think we'll be playing in any meaningful games this year.

As far as keeping the good players we've lost, most of them have done nothing since they've left and certainly wouldn't be worth their huge paychecks right now. I do believe our FO gets those decisions right most of the time. It's the pickups after that, that leaves little to be desired.

Start working that draft board now guys! We're going to need everyone on point for the 2016 draft! IF you do your homework and say "we NEED to get this guy", his name is attached to you for the rest of the year, he's your guy and you live and die with him! If we have to get rid of him, you'll be right on his behind.

[Ultimanick]

Dean Pees needs to go. SIMPLE

[objective view]

People, People, People. Get off of the coaching staff especially Pees! This is the same staff for the most part that took us to the playoffs and SB. Place the blame where it should be, on the players for not Executing! A clear example of this is all of the defensive backfield excluding None, out of position and the line backing group including Mr. All Pro Mosley who got burnt in coverage more times this past Sunday than a child playing with matches! Za Darris Smith is not ready for prime time yet and he too showed he can't cover! Joe is off with his accuracy throwing the ball behind receivers and not seeing wide open receivers. Those issues are not the coaches, those issues are clearly on the players. We need some STUDS in the defensive backfield. Quite frankly, if you have half a football eyeball you should be clearly be seeing Pees can't win, When he dials up the pressure if it does not get there receivers are wide open, when he plays coverage receivers are beating the CB's and safeties. Pees can't make the plays!

[whobilly]

Change #1 Get REAL WR's. Change # 2 Secondary that knows how to cover AND tackle. Change #3 INSTALL MANHOOD.

[baru643]

The biggest issue has been the defense and its inability to make stops in the 4th quarter when we have a lead. I will concede that we are not a talented on either side of the ball this year, but our offense has done enough to win most games this year. Sure Joe and the boys could have pulled of a last minute drive or two to turn some of these losses into wins, but our most glaring problem this year is the lack of pressure on the opposing QB and the soft coverage by the secondary. Still rooting for the Purple & Black to step up and make the rest of this season somewhat respectable.

[Tenacious Faulker]

These 3 thing are very vague and intertwined, but they are indeed true. The players are playing undisciplined and sloppy, but why the sudden drop-off in quality in 2014? It is the lack of quality players on the depth chart they've had to rely on? Is it a coaching philosophy change? I'm not impressed with Trestman overall so far and I'm starting to wonder about Pees now too. Maybe they should institute massages and quiet time like what Coughlin introduced for the Giants this year too? Attitude? That starts at the top. If the players feel they can't win (esoo to the Brown at M&T) then there's a HUGE problem. The coaches need to crack down on the players. Harbs needs to crack down on the coaches and Ozzie needs to crack down on Harbs. Period.

[Crusader]

My biggest problem with Harbaugh and has been his entire tenure as HC is, after Ray, Reed Era.... And he got more pull in power structure of team... He got rid of all the "DOGS" ,He Got rid of all the "SUPERIOR TALENTED PLAYERS" who show upon Sundays... For "YES MEN" that fall in line "Work hard,and play hard" his favorite lame excuse punchline after every defeat... Instead of keeping,Boldin,Pollard,Jacoby etc all these Alpha male DOGs who show up on Sundays.

So while I put blame on Dean Pees for not being great as Rex or Pagano, and put blame on Oz and front office for horrible drafts recently..Elam,Art Brown, Kindle(not his fault) but a lot of 1,2nd round busts...compared to early years...

I put more blame on Harbaugh for being like Chip Kelly.. Being half GM/Half coach and depleting this roster of talent because he isnt man enough to handle alpha DOGs football player..liie a Boldin,Pollard etc..

Ravens need to say John it doesnt matter what you think...your going to deal with the characters we draft.. Bring back those players who have that Ravens SWAGGER. No more YES MEN! Fake tough guys...

Steve Smith is like the only REAL tough guy on this team.. Its sad.. Harbaugh influence made Ravens soft almost.

People used to fear the Rsvens

I have been saying that for years. You don't have to like the players but you have to respect their playing abilities. All the Ravens have now is a young college team playing in the NFL.

[Bmoreazfan]

%u201CThe coaches are doing a good job,%u201D Harbaugh said. %u201CWe%u2019ve just got to collectively find a way to finish games and get the job done.

You have to be kidding me right? This is some of the all time worst coaching I have ever seen from the Ravens and I can point to plenty of bone headed calls in every game this year. My favorite was last week when you played for the tie and first and goal from the 4

[NFLFAN62]

I will tell you all what needs to be done in Baltimore so that the ravens can be successful for next year and years to come. First off restructure contracts on that team. Starting with your quarterback. Many great quarterbacks did that so that they could win more Superbowls and be successful. I feel as though Baltimore forgets that flacco is a good quarterback but is far from being an elite quarterback. He has yet to reach the likes of a Brady, Manning, Rogers, roethlisberger, Favre, shall I go on. Didn't think so. He does not process a leadership quality that rouses up a team and makes them want to do great like other quarterbacks do. He in my book seems selfish. We had tyrod taylor as a back up. If flacco did not want to take a 60 or 70 million dollar contract you still had a gem that you foolishly let go and now he is doing so well over in buffalo, even though people don't say anything about it, because they are stupid. Let's move on shall we. Release Dennis pitta, we have to call it what it is a lost. He is injury prone and done with in the NFL. Third make suggs cut his salary, he is injury prone too and as time goes by he gets older not younger. Fourth stop giving up talented wide receivers. Most teams keep their receivers that are talented for years and these receivers become greats that they can depend on. Like randy moss, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson etc. This leads me to my fifth analysis of the ravens organization. Stop being cheap. Your luck has run out. You can't continue to let talent go and think you'll fine it in a draft year after year. That eventually will catch up with you and destroy a legacy that people have worked so hard to build around you. Most teams don't build up talent and then let them go to another team to make that team look great, they find ways to keep that talent and use it for many years to come. So they can help build up their organization. Something we haven't been able to do. Six, "STOP" picking up old talent from teams that throw away washed up players. They work well for you for one or two years or half a season and then they drop off the charts afterwards, leaving you looking for another player to quickly come in and fill that spot, which is impossible to do. Allow your rookie receivers to build chemistry with their quarterback. Start rebuilding now, and realize that it is going to take time before you can come back up. Flacco needs to become a leader and start making decisions while on the field that are smart and beneficial to his offensive line. They paid him all that money, let go of all that talent, now it's on his back to win games. Your either going to rebuild on offense so you can keep up with teams by scoring or your going to rebuild on defense so you can stop teams from scoring and have a sub-par offense who can put up at least twenty points and win games. The broncos are doing it and are undefeated, and so are the Panthers. So let's see what the ravens office will do now. It's just basic common sense moves that you have to make in order to be great in this league.

[bigcatfrank1]

so it looks about 50/50 with the comments and choice of firing Dean Pees. Lets look at a few points not touched on, 1- The Ravens D looked, at times, pretty bad last year, it was probably the reason we missed the Super Bowl. 2. The team has changed players, the players have performed and some not as well but some better. 3 Injuries are part of the game. So what is the common denominator? DC. If you watched the game Pees actually changed at times to a modified 4-3 defense. The problem is we dont have the players for that. he strung CJ out to dry. That is coaching, knowing what you can do and what you cant. That is just one example, my vote is something needs to be done, make a move, set an example and sometimes its part of growth.

[Moderator 3]

Holy wall o' text.

[Ugly Ball]

i want to see trestman call plays that specifically targets maxx williams just like the patriots do with gronk. i want to see what this guy is made of

Ya, this would have been a good plan for our last play of the 4th quarter against the Briwns instead of throwing out of the end zone and taking the tie with a field goal. No fire in our play calling ! No fire under Joe's butt ! Everyone seams to be coasting....

[Ugly Ball]

I don't want to hear any criticism about or offense. They went out there and put up 30 points!!!!! Without starters!!!!!

As much as it is true, this offense had a chance for the win on the 4 yard line, with seconds on the clock and couldn't find it in their power to finish !
That, in my book is as much of a problem as our defense making mediocre QB's look like future hall of famers !

[Ravensfansince03]

As much as it is true, this offense had a chance for the win on the 4 yard line, with seconds on the clock and couldn't find it in their power to finish !

That, in my book is as much of a problem as our defense making mediocre QB's look like future hall of famers !

 

I remember that play, and the play that Trestman called was kind of shady. But regardless, our defense let the browns come back and win the game, with ease. Flacco and our mediocre offense put up 30 points, our defense let the opponents put up 33 smh.

[Derrel]

Trestman has not won anywhere he has ever been. I remember him coaching Kosar in Cleveland. They ran him out of town on a rail after losing multiple playoff games against Denver. Don't know why they picked him up. The team has no fire and Trestman coaches like he's just going through the motions. 1st and goal with time on the clock. That's a no brainer and we settle for a FG. They lost the game right there.