[News] Late For Work 10/12: Is Ravens' Season Over? What They're Saying

[crazyboutravens]

It is time for a shake-up with this team. Heads must roll. Granted the officials this year have been told to decide games but the Ravens are helping them out a lot.

[rmcjacket23]

It is time for a shake-up with this team. Heads must roll. Granted the officials this year have been told to decide games but the Ravens are helping them out a lot.

Myth.

[Drew P]

It is time for a shake-up with this team. Heads must roll. Granted the officials this year have been told to decide games but the Ravens are helping them out a lot.

 

Harbs just said at the presser its not happening

[Londonraven52]

In a word...YES Let's face it the only chance we now have of seeing January Joe is to win the division and no chance of that the way the bengals are playing. To be fair we have been spoiled by having so many post season appearances in the last decade but it's now that the cracks are appearing from under the paper. I know a lot of people are off on the defence and I get that, my concern is though about how all post season, for the last 2 years infact, I've read about the real competition at receiver and how it's a deep group etc etc, in the current climate that depth has to show and it hasn't, first time joe has gone over twice himself and there is a good reason why he did. Let's hope the front office staff recognise this season for what it is and start reshuffling the pack to get us back where we belong. Roll on 2016!!

[sharkh20]

Hey, we beat the Steelers didn't we? We may not win another game for weeks, but the silver lining is we'll know our weak links and purge them for next season and for the first time in a long time, we'll be getting a high draft pick. Now what we do with it, only time will tell, but at least it is time to rebuild the Ravens in every department - front office personnel, coaching and player personnel. Just purge and replenish the untalented, weak and old and get going Ravens.

The Steelers beat the Steelers

[RavensFootballFan]

Think you missed the whole "even" concept...

 

Flacco will get an extension. However, unlike some fans think, its probably unrealistic to think Flacco getting an extension is going to get us like $20M in cap space from it. Given that the minimum after paying him a salary and likely another bonus is in the $15M cap hit range, its realistic to think he will probably be in the $18-20M range in cap hit for 2016, which means he really only frees up about $10M in space.

 

That $10M in cap space created is likely gone the moment you sign Yanda and Tucker to extensions, and that assumes we don't sign somebody else to an extension.

 

So, at the end you're back to probably around $15M, before you cut players (which will happen but likely won't create a ton of space) and you sign draft picks. So yes, $30M would be great, except I don't see how you get anywhere near that number. $20M is probably on the ambitious end.

 

You're also significantly short-changing our areas where we need more players. The secondary needs a minimum of two players, a FS for sure and at least a corner. In all likelihood, possibly two corners.

 

You need a WR for sure, and possibly more than one. Given the lack of depth on the OLine at the tackle position, you could use another tackle as well. RB could potentially be an area in need of upgrade as well. And naturally, you need to add at least one pass rusher and likely a defensive end as well.

 

And that's before you start adding depth, which is arguably the greatest need.

 

It doesn't really matter whether you're losing your games by 6 points or 60. When you are 1-4, unless your QB is hurt, you've got a lot more than just one positional need.

 

Am not missing a thing. Stats don't lie. No team can have a top tier player at every position, if the Ravens add a #1 WR through signing which they could not afford to do this year or Perriman playing, defenses would all of a sudden start playing more honestly by wasting an extra player on #1 WR which makes lesser WRs more open. A top tier safety's ability to get interceptions would change a QB mentality to throw away from him which makes it easier for lesser defenders to cover one side. The Ravens are tied for 5th best in sacks, middle of the pack on defensive pressures/hurries but bottom on the rung of interceptions and forced fumbles. A little bit of top tier players spread evenly around the each section makes everyone else look good. We do not have a top tier experience player in the back of the defense or in WR. Add those two and the dynamics changes drastically in favor of the Ravens. You listed more positional changes than needed which is not necessary, especially with cap constraints. A top tier WR helps the QB, takes pressure off the offensive line to reduce amount of time before throws. A top tier safety makes cornerbacks jobs easier as well as defensive rushing with a precious second or two wasted by QB worrying where that safety is as well as makes it easier for lesser players to cover one side. How many times have the Ravens would have sacked a QB with one more precious second? How many passes would Joe add with a top #1 WR? Nothing major, just a second or two of improvements goes a long way and 2016 will be the year we will add more skilled/top tier players than 2015 because we DO have a lot more cap money to spend next year. 

[b93333]

One position at which we are still strong is at Owner! I'm betting he is thinking hard about changes that need to be made for next year... Harbs, Ozzie and Mr. B are going to have some lengthy talks in the not too distant future.

[CaliRavenFan]

who do we promote when we fire Pees later today?

I would love if it was our Defensive Line coach.. He has been with the team longer than anyone else including Harbs himself. He deserves the chance to show what he can do for our Defense.

[NJ Raven]

The Browns think they got something in Mcnown but we're just that bad its not him

[MarioDrama]

Season is over. Get a nice top 10 pick.

[dirtybird66]

the great RAVEN'S have made alot of bad moves in recent years by letting two of the best pass rushers in the league go to other team's,MCFEE and KRUGER,the pass rush helps the secondary.and instead of bringing in another established WR.they drafted a WR.that will alway's be injury prone,OZZIE should know he's terrible at drafting WR.I don't know if anyone else would agree that every game we play goes the same way,it's like watching a movie when you can easily guess whats going to happen next,every game is so predictable-start slow,other team scores,we score a couple points,get on top,get conplacent,other team comes back to tie or lead,depending on the time we march down the field,can't score a td.,settle for field goal,leave enough time for the other team,let them march down the field,almost get them stopped,make a stupid penalty on defense,let the other team march down and score,have you seen this movie before.if you groom great players,keep them.HARBAUGH is not BELICHECk and win with anyone.cut,PERRIMAN,CAMPANARO,PITTA,WEBB and the rest of the player's who can't stay healthy and bring in RODDY WHITE or another established reciever and another great pass rusher and by the way also cut BABIN and his stupid penalties that lost us the game.

[rmcjacket23]

the great RAVEN'S have made alot of bad moves in recent years by letting two of the best pass rushers in the league go to other team's,MCFEE and KRUGER,the pass rush helps the secondary.and instead of bringing in another established WR.they drafted a WR.that will alway's be injury prone,OZZIE should know he's terrible at drafting WR.I don't know if anyone else would agree that every game we play goes the same way,it's like watching a movie when you can easily guess whats going to happen next,every game is so predictable-start slow,other team scores,we score a couple points,get on top,get conplacent,other team comes back to tie or lead,depending on the time we march down the field,can't score a td.,settle for field goal,leave enough time for the other team,let them march down the field,almost get them stopped,make a stupid penalty on defense,let the other team march down and score,have you seen this movie before.if you groom great players,keep them.HARBAUGH is not BELICHECk and win with anyone.cut,PERRIMAN,CAMPANARO,PITTA,WEBB and the rest of the player's who can't stay healthy and bring in RODDY WHITE or another established reciever and another great pass rusher and by the way also cut BABIN and his stupid penalties that lost us the game.

If you cut the guys you suggested, we won't have any cap space left to sign the players you want, because the dead money cap impact will be pretty big.

 

If Suggs is healthy, we may not even be having this discussion about pass rushers.

[bigcatfrank1]

The Ravens do not scare anyone, Mcgowen kept trying things. Flacco was afraid to throw the ball. If the Ravens go 3 and out with crap plays..then they deserve it. The Defense looks like they do not care...they are getting paid anyway. Sit them down, this is the way it goes. Mosley should be sat, If you commit a penalty you should sit down..no exceptions! its time to make this team accountable not just say it.

[burnstr19]

Caldwell Philben come in to revamp the O.

Find a new D Coord - we either need to move a few players or just become another D that gives up points.

[bigcatfrank1]

I dont care if we win another game or not...what I want to see is some hard hitting, tackling, coverage, running, diving, throwing hard, stupid penalty free and play like you dont have a second left! This lack luster, whoops i missed.. kind of crap needs to stop. Tackling and coverages missed, I think Joe needs to burn the ball into guys stomachs like he did with Bolden. If the WR miss it, so what keep firing. This is a team, if one guy screws up or screws off, it is not acceptable.

[bigcatfrank1]

Call up Ray, get him in here and let Pees go.. create a new legacy! Make some changes on Defense, CB, S, LB and DL. Football is entertainment, it is hype and showmanship on the field, Ray knows this better than anyone. We want a show! This BS about, work to get better, bla bla bla...

Offense = WR RB needed. If Trestman stays, he needs to prove that he can win!

[The Purp]

What makes you think he'd be a good coach? Do you know how many elite level players there have been in professional sports that struggled to coach a high school team well?

 

Great players actually rarely make great coaches.

He's one of the best to ever play the position, he knows how to study and breakdown film with the best of them, he's intelligent, articulate, and inspires. Not to mention he was professionally coached for nearly 20 years, I'm sure he picked up a thing or two about coaching. He also expressed an interest in coaching during his career.

[Crusader]

What makes you think he'd be a good coach? Do you know how many elite level players there have been in professional sports that struggled to coach a high school team well?

 

Great players actually rarely make great coaches.

Ray has practical experience and knows afc teams. All most coaches are doing is looking for the next run on the latter.

[dirtybird66]

RAY was the best at breaking down opponets.I don't care what anyone say's but MARVIN LEWIS won our first superbowl and we show him the door,look at the bengal's now.we also told BELICHIC we didn't want him when the BROWNS came to B-MORE.

[thecommish]

mcjacket.... steelcitys comments to get rid of Pees.... is not a knee jerk reaction like you suggest. Our defensive issues have been an on-going issue since Pees got here. 1. We cannot close team out -that has been true since Pees got here.... look as far back as our superbowl season including the superbowl. 2. We cannot get off of the field on rd down. that has also been true of our Defense since Pees got here. 3. Players who played well under Pags have under achieved under Pees. 4. Players who have underachieved here went else where and excelled. 5. Penalties have been a problem for our D since Pees got here. 6. Our D has been marked by inconsistency since Pees got here- in spite of the multitude of talent we have on that side of the ball and the investment that we have made in the defense. 7. Nobody fears our defense since Pees got here. We look uninspired... confused and unlike any Raven defense in ravens history. 8. We have given at least 20 points in every game and nearly 30 point in every game this season. - too much of an investment on that side of the ball for that to be true! BUT IT IS! 9. Harbs isnt managing the people around him like you suggest when the problem has been consistent for 4 years. Its not about giving Pees time like Castillo....it is much bigger then that and we have a much bigger sample of Pees weaknesses. 10. No one ever suggested to cave into the fan base...but just bc the fans suggested it doesnt mean that it is inaccurate. I have been hearing sports reporters,media personalities and ex -football players and other experts are all saying the same thing, When fans, experts, other professionals, etc are all calling for the same thing.... they are obviously seeing a pattern ... just because a coach refuses to see an issue with a friend or refuses to acknowledge it doesnt mean he is right... You used Juan Castillo as an example of where Harbs was right but that was a small sample.... I offer Cam Cameron as an example (with a much bigger sample) of how Harbs was wrong in this area. We fired Cam and reversed a 3 game losing streak and went on to win a superbowl...this was a much bigger sample of one of Harbs weaknesses as a coach... he dont hold his assistants accountable and he makes excuses for then incompetence regardless of how bad it gets. Steelcity and others pointed this out and I for one dont think it is a knee jerk reaction. This a very large sample of Pees inadequacies. This is very different then the Castillo situation and not something that would suggest that Harbs is just caving into the fans... but just making a decision that is best for the team based on a very large sample of evidence.

[January J]

*first brown win in baltimore,  the browns beat us in cleveland last year... but yes the point still stand we are starting to look a lot like 2007

we beat the Browns twice last year. Not that it even matters.

[smiley4660]

EVERY team suffers key injuries. Bury the rhetoric about that being the primary sympton for this dismal season. Quite simply, we're a WAY-OVERRATED team. High 1st Round draft pick, here we come!

[stampedehero]

The negative storm has run rampant through the media.  Its obvious the team looks distant from our previous winners. Set the goal for .500.   Forget playoffs, play for a real goal and serve Ravens pride starting in SF. Any team can have an off year. We,at present, do not have the mojo to finish one game to the other. 

[RavenManiac#7]

RAY was the best at breaking down opponets.I don't care what anyone say's but MARVIN LEWIS won our first superbowl and we show him the door,look at the bengal's now.we also told BELICHIC we didn't want him when the BROWNS came to B-MORE.

When we fired Marvin Lewis, I thought it was a mistake. I always believed, and still do, that we should have Not hired Brian Billick. We should have hired Lewis as our HC then. Now, Belicheater, I'm glad that they made the right call on him. I do NOT want a cheater to coach our team. EVER!!! I don't care if he Is a winner. What's more important is that he's a cheater. And when you cheat, you Really haven't won Anything.

[ravensnj]

It's not over, my fair weather friends!

Recoup and regroup time.

[ravensnj]

Players only meeting?

[BillyD]

mcjacket.... steelcitys comments to get rid of Pees.... is not a knee jerk reaction like you suggest. Our defensive issues have been an on-going issue since Pees got here. 1. We cannot close team out -that has been true since Pees got here.... look as far back as our superbowl season including the superbowl. 2. We cannot get off of the field on rd down. that has also been true of our Defense since Pees got here. 3. Players who played well under Pags have under achieved under Pees. 4. Players who have underachieved here went else where and excelled. 5. Penalties have been a problem for our D since Pees got here. 6. Our D has been marked by inconsistency since Pees got here- in spite of the multitude of talent we have on that side of the ball and the investment that we have made in the defense. 7. Nobody fears our defense since Pees got here. We look uninspired... confused and unlike any Raven defense in ravens history. 8. We have given at least 20 points in every game and nearly 30 point in every game this season. - too much of an investment on that side of the ball for that to be true! BUT IT IS! 9. Harbs isnt managing the people around him like you suggest when the problem has been consistent for 4 years. Its not about giving Pees time like Castillo....it is much bigger then that and we have a much bigger sample of Pees weaknesses. 10. No one ever suggested to cave into the fan base...but just bc the fans suggested it doesnt mean that it is inaccurate. I have been hearing sports reporters,media personalities and ex -football players and other experts are all saying the same thing, When fans, experts, other professionals, etc are all calling for the same thing.... they are obviously seeing a pattern ... just because a coach refuses to see an issue with a friend or refuses to acknowledge it doesnt mean he is right... You used Juan Castillo as an example of where Harbs was right but that was a small sample.... I offer Cam Cameron as an example (with a much bigger sample) of how Harbs was wrong in this area. We fired Cam and reversed a 3 game losing streak and went on to win a superbowl...this was a much bigger sample of one of Harbs weaknesses as a coach... he dont hold his assistants accountable and he makes excuses for then incompetence regardless of how bad it gets. Steelcity and others pointed this out and I for one dont think it is a knee jerk reaction. This a very large sample of Pees inadequacies. This is very different then the Castillo situation and not something that would suggest that Harbs is just caving into the fans... but just making a decision that is best for the team based on a very large sample of evidence.

Agreed.  If it was a knee-jerk reaction Pees would have been fired after dropping 2 (yes - T-W-O) 14-point leads to NE in the Divisional Round last season.  He had these issues in NE as well, dropping a 17-point lead against Indy and always...ALWAYS had issues against Drew Brees and Sean Peyton.  Common denominator?  Pass defense.  Pees has consistently had a poor record against the pass.  And Harbs, God bless him, doesn't have the coglioni to fire ANYONE.  Castillo was lucky that Kubiak came in last season and installed the zone blocking scheme, but now that Kubs is gone, I'm seeing really uneven line play.  And remember, before Kubs got here our O line was atrocious.  And who remembers the Cam days?  The O had so much potential, and the play calling just defied logic at times.  Harbs was FORCED by the Front Office to fire Cam. I agree, there needs to be a shake up.  It's too bad that the blame seems to be rolling down hill with guys getting moved all around, 9 roster moves!  How about a coaching move?  A philosophical change?  I don't trust Harbs' assessment of DC talent.  With OCs it's also been hit or miss...Cam...then Caldwell (remember how that experiment was...O was awful in 2013), to Kubs who was really good, now to Trestman who I can't figure out.  DC went from Rex (the Hey Days) to Mattison (awful...the D today reminds me of the Mattison days), to Pags (awesome) to Pees (awful).  I just don't know what to say.  The Harbs philosophy is just not working for me.  Somebody has to go.