[News] Late For Work 10/12: Is Ravens' Season Over? What They're Saying

[whobilly]

Marginal WR's like Aiken and Brown usually do disappear. To bad they can't put back on the jersey and shorts with no pads and "Catch Everything".

[whobilly]

Greek, we have a big bodied explosive receiver. His name is Perriman.

[KidNme]

Maybe now, the Perriman fiasco is starting to make more sense. 1st WR picked by the Ravens in a long time and we just don't want to ruin him in his first year out when we're going to need him next year. If we put him with another top quality 1st rounder next year, we have a good base to build off off.

Now in hindsight, him coming out on the field to warm up and then have another knee tweak could have just been hype to get the media off their backs.

[stampedehero]

We,as fans,

 

"The Ravens' lack of discipline isn't getting nearly enough attention." - LaConforta

 

This ^^^^ ,,, Sure, the pathetic play by the defense is going to get the press, because we're a franchise that was built on fierce defensive play. But when your team is challenged, you cannot absorb costly mistakes and we're committing them at an alarming rate.

 

Yesterday's game was lost on penalties. Don't even look at the number and yards ... look at the situations where they were committed. Too many to even list. I want to hear from the top (HC) what we are going to do to correct that.

 

As a realisic point I would say the season goal at this point is .500, then more??

[whobilly]

When a QB like Josh McCown plays us a fool and racks up Brady like numbers the season is O-V-E-R !

[TheRavengers]

"You know who gets the F (grade)? The team that turned Josh McCown into Otto Graham, Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar all in one. That's the Baltimore Ravens. You let Josh McCown come into your building and throw for over 450 yards and beat you in overtime? You're the Baltimore Ravens! You needed this game. Your season's on the line. You're known for defense.....That's a disgrace."

 

^^^That entire statement could not be more true. And stinging at the same time

Edited October 12, 2015 by TheRavengers

[propjoe]

Dean Pees needs to go...I'd be curious to see the same Defense under a new coordinator. Didn't the Ravens learn anything from the Cam Cameron situation, they waited too long to give him the boot, and they nearly screwed up their season and potentially second super bowl. Dean Pees has the Defense playing like a hot mess. Also how did CJ Mosley look so bad yesterday. If he's not 100% then he needs to get off the field. He got lit up in pass coverage against the "Browns" Jesus

[MichaelJ34]

Maybe now, the Perriman fiasco is starting to make more sense. 1st WR picked by the Ravens in a long time and we just don't want to ruin him in his first year out when we're going to need him next year. If we put him with another top quality 1st rounder next year, we have a good base to build off off. Now in hindsight, him coming out on the field to warm up and then have another knee tweak could have just been hype to get the media off their backs.

except next year its pretty much  guaranteed that we will be drafting a pass rusher and 2nd round probably a DB

[Dorota]

There is still a lot going for the Ravens, they just haven't capitalized on it, which is even sorrier. There are teams with poor management, with poor coaching and with underdeveloped or not talented enough players. Nothing of that can be said for the Ravens. Pitta and Gilmore on the bench are no excuse, because we couldn't get luckier with Maxx Williams and Boyle. I am aware that we took Maxx in the 2nd round, but even Ravens knew he was a project, because of age, not necessarily because of experience, but because aged 20 he has still to develop physically to be able to last a season. Which no doubt is why they also rely on Boyle, who is older and who has stepped up the game bigtime and does better than anyone has a right to expect. Ravens have one of the best offensive lines, supported by good blocking TEs and even RBs and SSS when he's in there. No primadonnas prancing around going "I should have the ball, I shall not block!" Behind that line is Joe Flacco.

Defense has looked abysmal for the main part, but front seven are decent on most occasions, for them yesterday was a freak day, not the standard. Ravens drafted alright to compensate for injuries that never even happened at the time - TEs again, but also look at rookie Za'Darius Smith, who still has a lot to work on, but shows flashes of what we want to see in the long-term. So this is why Ravens are a better team than many. So ACT LIKE IT!

 

Jason La Canfora said it: It's the penalties that have killed us. Babin might as well lost us the game with his hand to the face mask. Browns were on the way out and we gave them the first down and 15 yards on top. All the games except for Cincinnati were close. But almost win doesn't count. If we kept the penalties down, we could have won any of the close games. Damn, holding just happens sometimes, but keep the personal fouls to yourselves! I'm looking at you Babin. And you Jernigan (Carr late hit).

 

At this point, it's too optimistic to hope for play-offs. Damn, we're below the Browns and bottom of AFC North. But unlikely odds are not impossible, so if no one else, the team has to believe it and act like they're in for a win! At least don't go the Raiders/Bears/Browns route and have a decent finish. I love you guys, don't disappoint me.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Dorota

[RavensInNC]

Do we bench Flacco to save him from getting hurt and just give up on the season? Top 2 players at most key positions are decimated.

[manofsteel]

Need to get rid of Ozzie first of all. He could not pick a winning player if it fell on him!Get rid of the Pees. Defensive back coach, Jimmi Smith, Webb, both are always hurt and can not keep up with his coverage. And Smith definitely cannot tackle. all he does is throw his body and the runners just laugh at him. what a mockery Smith is! Safeties are just as bad. Offensive front line has to toughen up!

[The Greek]

jim schwartz is available but how long would he stay before being a hc again.

[TheRavengers]

I don't worry much about our tight end corps. But since we're on defense, I wonder what our D-line would be if Brent Urban was on the field and not injured.

[Ravensfansince03]

We have a 30-minute defense that lacks discipline and work ethic. Also a lot of our guys on D are Free agent

 

pick ups which is recipe for disaster. They don't know what it means to be a Raven. I don't blame the players,

 

I blame the staff for allowing some of these guys to even wear a Ravens jersey.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[WNC-Raven]

Can we also place some blame on the players union? They negotiated for softer practices and work weeks. Now everybody seems to be getting hurt more often than before. Piss poor conditioning.

[whobilly]

1-7 before the Jaqs come to Baltimore. Palmer and Rivers will throw for over 400 yards against a secondary with ZERO MANHOOD.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Well, now we can spend less time on game-planning and more time on scouting.

Also a good time to see what some of our young players can do. KO & Yanda are both free agents, lets get Urschel in there and see if he can lock down a spot. Same thing with Arthur Brown. Daryl Smith is horrible in pass coverage, let's see what Brown can do for you, so we can make the decision to keep or move on. Less reps for Canty, more reps for Davis, Za'Darius, KLM. Arrington is another one who is terrible in zone coverage, let's get the kids in there - Tray Walker, Melvin, Charles James, etc.

Let's see if we can move some players for draft picks - Arrington, Daryl Smith, Canty, Dumervil, Monroe all come to mind. Get whatever you can - their play has fallen off a cliff this year and will only get worse a year later, a year older.

Edited October 12, 2015 by TheConquerorWorm

[Ravensfansince03]

Need to get rid of Ozzie first of all. He could not pick a winning player if it fell on him!Get rid of the Pees. Defensive back coach, Jimmi Smith, Webb, both are always hurt and can not keep up with his coverage. And Smith definitely cannot tackle. all he does is throw his body and the runners just laugh at him. what a mockery Smith is! Safeties are just as bad. Offensive front line has to toughen up!

 

I think Ozzie just got lazy and thought he could just bring in a bunch of mediocre free agent players, and he assumed they would hold down the fort. Maybe coach Harbaugh didn't do a good job analyzing this defense.

 

What really scares me is the fact that this team has not been able to get a good safety since Bernard Pollard and Ed Reed left.

 

The replacements they have brought in have been terrible

[law215]

OZ style of acquiring talent seems out dated. He has consistently draft big run stuffing D-linemen, Inside LBs, RBs. He has played it cheap with pass rushers, Wrs, CBs. Opting to not go after big name proven CB and WR and trusting late cuts to get comp picks and undrafted guys. It's a passing league. Teams spread your out and contenders usually have that one young, dominiant pass catcher.OZ acquires talent like it's the mid 90s early 2000s. The game has changed and he needs to change with it.

[johnmike72]

I agree with, "PEES NEEDS TO GO" but when is the media going to start pointing fingers at Ozzie? I`m not saying Ozzie needs to go, but he should not be a Teflon GM.

[Arch Mage]

The player we didn't resign has haunted us a few times in Raven's history.
Priest Holmes after our first Super Bowl because Jamal Lewis got hurt.
Anquan Boldin after our 2nd (He may play longer than Steve Smith Sr).
Torrey Smith as Perriman is hurt (and we should have known that Breshad Perriman might have taken some time anyway).
But I can't blame Ozzie for those results because of the luck involved with injuries. I do miss those San Fran receivers!
Have we drafted any future Hall of Fame players since John Harbaugh arrived? Players with an edge seem to be lacking from the list of our draftees. Most of the holdovers who had one have been let go. John is a nice guy who realizes that football is just a game. He is quoted as saying something to the effect that lots of our players are facing life challenges greater that being on a 1 - 4 football team. That is true. Character counts.
I have written before that we would see what John Harbaugh is made of after Ray and Ed left. T Sizzle is not on the field; he is the last leader of the pre-Harbaugh era. Can this troika (owner, GM, coach) find a new pattern and draft players like a Steve Smith or Ray Lewis (would this era of Ravens management even have kept Ray after his troubles?) or will we see that now that this is John's team, we have run out of the mix of players that worked as a football team. That is John's job, to win on the field. He is one of 32 in a very rare position in the world.
I really like John as a person. We can see how stubborn and controlling he is with his answers to questions. Can our owner nudge him as he did with Billick that one year? What happens to the power structure after Ozzie retires? The 3 paint such a picture of "mutual decisions" at press conferences.......

Edited October 12, 2015 by Arch Mage

[stixfix69]

wow..bashing Oz....Every year we always are one of the teams with the least amount of cap space, and he has found some gems over the last few years, so he has a off year this year, no need to lamb baste one of the best GM's in football....And he has no control of injuries....And his picks have been solid over the last few years...Crockett, Jernigan, Carl Davis, Maxx, CJ, Urschel, .....

[Ravensfansince03]

Our scouts SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[asteroid]

Clarence Brooks

[johnmike72]

Harbs says being 1-4 is not going to wear him down. His facial expressions says otherwise.

[reed20fence]

There's a possibility that if any of the reporters have the cojones to ask Harbs about Pees' culpability in all these late game collapses, they get a buncha attitude in response and a 'what the heck are you talking about' kind of attitude.

With Cam Cameron we got confirmation about a year later that the issue was his attitude and his lack of flexibility when hearing other peoples opinions. He always thought he was the smartest guy in the film room. I'm not sure that Dean Pees has the same issue.

In fact, trying to extract ourselves from the particulars of this season and seeing the big picture, there is a somewhat legitimate argument to consider:

- we finally had continuity on defense, which is a plus considering that a wave of Hall of Famers was leaving and younger guys are being on-boarded;

- but the reason we had continuity is because no one thinks Pees is Head Coaching material and tried to poach him;

- if we do get rid of Pees and hypothetically say, a Monachino steps in and does great (which is the point), then we've just re-ignited that constant revolving door of our DCs being poached away and expanding the Ray Lewis coaching tree;

- Pees has called defenses that have been *good enough* to establish an impressive record of playoff appearances, why should a couple of years missed due to key injuries result in his sacking?;

- Yeah, we see timid play calling, but we also see guys playing in their proper zones or covering their proper assignments that are just getting beat or making errors in execution even though they were coached not to make those errors.

So if Pees attitude isn't the problem, and our record of playoff contention isn't the problem, and if witnessing players just getting beat or making mistakes isn't Pees' fault, and if losing Jimmy and a host of other guys last year, and Sizzle this year aren't Pees' fault, then why should Harbs scapegoat this guy?

Edited October 12, 2015 by reed20fence

[WNC-Raven]

Like most ravens fans I have always defended Ozzie saying he is one of the best. Looking at the wikipedia ravens draft page tells a different story. While we wait to see how this and last years picks turn out we can see that 2013 gained us Brandon Williams and Ricky Wagner. 2012 is Upshaw and KO. 2011 is Jimmy Smith, Torrey Smith and Mcphee. 2010 is a total bust minus Pitta. 2009 had Kruger and Webb. 2008 had Flacco and Rice. That's it folks. Those are the picks that built the team you see today. I'm not advicating that we lose Ozzie, not at all but we can't just follow him blindly into his sunset.

[Ravensfansince03]

Steve Biscotti & Ozzie will soon bring the hammer down hard

[Ravensfansince03]

We have a bunch of new scouts. One of our scouts is in his first year. Which explains why this team can hardly draft defensive players anymore.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Pete Prisco, CBSSports.com: You know who gets the F (grade)? The team that turned Josh McCown into Otto Graham, Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar all in one. Thats the Baltimore Ravens. You let Josh McCown come into your building and throw for over 450 yards and beat you in overtime? You re the Baltimore Ravens! You needed this game. Your season's on the line. You're known for defense. Thats a disgrace.

 

 

^^^^This right here says it all!!! DISGRACEFUL!!!

Edited October 12, 2015 by ibleedpurpleandblack