Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[Winchester]

I think this has to be one of the more inane and arduous threads to read that I have seen in a long time. I am NOT going to say that Ozzie Newsome is infallible, or that he is not made his share of contract blunders. I do think, however, that when you look at his track record comparatively to the rest of the general managers in the league that he is actually made a lot of the smarter choices.

 

Does anybody remember Danelle Ellerbe? Remember how everybody said that we were losing out on some great young talent? Yeah, the guy is fighting for an NFL roster spot right now.

 

Remember Tom Zbikowski? I remember the murmurs of people saying we are losing out on another young talent who is coming into his own.

 

How about Jameel McClain?

 

How about Haloti Ngata?

 

What about having the cojones to let ed Reed walk?

 

What about Jamal Lewis?

 

All of these were guys that people said if we didn't bring back we would be idiots, only to go on to find out that they only have one or two more successful seasons with their respective new teams if that.

 

As far as the draft goes betting on human potential is one of the hardest things on the planet to do. You can look at any team in the NFL and find a draft bust, and odds are you can find some pretty horrid drafts by that team. Go look at some of the Patriots draft in the last five to seven years you're going to see your entire draft class is littered with just scrubs. The difference is Tom Brady hangs up 40 points a game with no name receiver except forJulian and Gronkowski, that is all that Tom Brady needs to work with. On the other side of the ball, bill has long been regarded as one of the better defensive mines in the game and certainly one of the best of his era.

 

Look at the Packers with Datone Jones, I bet they wish they had that one back.

 

I could go on and on and on about how other teams have success and how other teams fell in the draft, but if you look at it objectively you come to the conclusion, at least most of us, that just about every team has their share of successes and failures in the NFL draft and free agency. People are sitting here saying we don't make enough splash's look at the dolphins, how is Ndamukong Suh working out? That is not some random one off or factoid, that happens every single year in the NFL.

 

As to where Ozzie Newsome  ranks comparatively among his contemporaries is purely subjective by anyone. I think as far as the sustained success goes nobody can argue that anybody does it better than Ozzie Newsome in my opinion. Now lately you can look around and say teams have drafted better and you can probably have legitimate arguments to that fact. That being said yes we had a rough draft in 2012 but the last two drafts have been home runs in my opinion and with many. Breshad Perriman not playing, and Max Williams not getting acclimated as fast as it appears misconstrued. That's that look at guys like Carl Davis, and Nick Boyle. Those are two young players were only going to get better and for Carl Davis that is a scary proposition for most teams.

 

I think in summation those calling for us to be fired or a tad shortsighted considering this is one of a couple bad seasons in the last 20 years, I think most teams in the league would take that. I think those calling for some accountability to be had sure I can agree with that, however, I think we really need to assess our coordinators, some of our position coaches, and maybe even head coach depending on how things play out the rest of the season, although I do not think Harbaugh isn't any real danger to this point. And go from there, I think one thing that is lacking is a true identity, however the that will come in some of our very young guys step up into the leadership roles. We are a team in transition at the moment, and there is nobody and I mean no, but I would rather have Ozzie Newsome.

Seriously??!! Fire coaches for the team having low talent?? That is trying to imply the ravens are a very talented team. lol

[Winchester]

Under what rainbow would we find the money to pay Maclin?

It could be done by moving $$. BTW Ozzie's terrible signings are reason for salary cap probs. A high payroll and laughable talent means a bad job by the GM.

[52520Andrew]

hahah,  dont forget John and Joe. Might as well add Tucker in there, hes terrible, he missed that kick at home that cost us the game....

 

Yeah not to mention that thread about Tucker not hitting 50 yarders at home, we need to find a kicker who can do that.

 

Also may be wanting to move on from CJ Mosely as he got juked out by Andy Dalton in the Bengals game

[52520Andrew]

Cool. So then provide me the name of who should be GM of this team AND why he will be a better GM than Ozzie? What is his background? What experience does he have evaluating talent and running an organization well?

 

These guys are harder to find than good QBs...

 

According to this thread half the forum members can do better

[52520Andrew]

Right lets all complain about backloaded contracts and dead money but then have us sign a bunch of guys by backloading contracts. Sounds like a great plan to me

[gtalk12]

I think people are blind to what is going on, or has been going on since the SB. This team has continued to lose players via free agency to teams desperate for players.

 

We have drafted very well, they just haven't stayed. Paul Krug, Arthur Jones, Pernell, and Ngata were HUGE pieces for us. We drafted all of them. Dannell Elerbe who was horrible in Miami would have been a huge boost in the middle with the linebackers....that's what it comes down to

 

Torrey Smith was offered more money than he was worth...it is what it is. Right now people do not want to take paycuts when teams are in desperate needs for players. That's really what has been hurting us. Has those guys stayed we probably wouldn't be in this mess and could focus more on other positions like CB or S and of course the offense. We still do not have a RB for the long haul.

 

Just how long do we expect Justin F to be our go to guy??

[Guest Omerta]

Seriously??!! Fire coaches for the team having low talent?? That is trying to imply the ravens are a very talented team. lol

I guess evaluate equates to firing. Evaluation would imply looking at coaches and determining their fir within their respective groups and how the interpersonal dynamic and synergy of your coaching staff translates to players and organizational identity

[TDubbs]

Firing Ozzie and Harbaugh would be a mistake. We need one good draft this April to get things on track for next year. We need to pick in the top 15 and find a franchise guy in there, and it will be nice to have picks in the top of the rest of the rounds as well. We'll have a little more cap space next offseason to find quality depth that we don't have right now, not big time FA's. 

[The Mom Gene]

I think people are blind to what is going on, or has been going on since the SB. This team has continued to lose players via free agency to teams desperate for players.

 

We have drafted very well, they just haven't stayed. Paul Krug, Arthur Jones, Pernell, and Ngata were HUGE pieces for us. We drafted all of them. Dannell Elerbe who was horrible in Miami would have been a huge boost in the middle with the linebackers....that's what it comes down to

 

Torrey Smith was offered more money than he was worth...it is what it is. Right now people do not want to take paycuts when teams are in desperate needs for players. That's really what has been hurting us. Has those guys stayed we probably wouldn't be in this mess and could focus more on other positions like CB or S and of course the offense. We still do not have a RB for the long haul.

 

Just how long do we expect Justin F to be our go to guy??

And how are those guys that we lost doing?  Most....  Not so good.

[52520Andrew]

Besides signing Pitta to a new deal coming off the injury, I have a hard time criticizing any of the deals we have made the past couple years given what we knew at the time.

 

That and not signing a competent CB last year

Edited October 15, 2015 by 52520Andrew

[gtalk12]

And how have those guys we lost doing?

 

Paul is coming off an 11 sack season, Pernell looks bad on a different team, Arthur Jones just recently got hurt but was on pace for more than his previous output of 4 sacks with us last year. Ngata and Smith look bad on other teams.

[redrum52]

It could be done by moving $$. BTW Ozzie's terrible signings are reason for salary cap probs. A high payroll and laughable talent means a bad job by the GM.

You realize one of the big reasons for our cap problems, this year, is Rice's contract, right?

[redrum52]

Right lets all complain about backloaded contracts and dead money but then have us sign a bunch of guys by backloading contracts. Sounds like a great plan to me

A bunch of madden GMs

[wizard1]

I wonder what would happen to you when you are a Lions fan? fire everybody and replace with nobody?

 If OZ isn't gone along with Trestman and Pees at the end of the year then I will catch the next  plane out of the country!

[The Mom Gene]

A bunch of madden GMs

 

YUP! Ain't that the truth...  We've got The Best GM in Football and we get this.

[rmcjacket23]

 If OZ isn't gone along with Trestman and Pees at the end of the year then I will catch the next  plane out of the country!

I might just chip in for the ticket...

[redrum52]

If OZ isn't gone along with Trestman and Pees at the end of the year then I will catch the next plane out of the country!

Who's you're next team then?

[rmcjacket23]

It could be done by moving $$. BTW Ozzie's terrible signings are reason for salary cap probs. A high payroll and laughable talent means a bad job by the GM.

Pretty vague response... care to elaborate?

 

Always love to hear what people who don't understand the salary cap would do in order to navigate through it...

[RavensFanMania]

 If OZ isn't gone along with Trestman and Pees at the end of the year then I will catch the next  plane out of the country!

The only guy that should be fired from that bunch is Deen Pees.  Oz and John shouildn't and won't go anywhere. 

 

Looks like you will be taking a plane out of the country and don't let the door hit you on the way out either.

[52520Andrew]

Paul is coming off an 11 sack season, Pernell looks bad on a different team, Arthur Jones just recently got hurt but was on pace for more than his previous output of 4 sacks with us last year. Ngata and Smith look bad on other teams.

 

And the thing about Kruger is that we got Doom for cheaper so it is hard to call him going to the Browns a bad decision

[-Truth-]

Captain Hindsight strikes again.

[ravensdfan]

13 traded for a LT and drafted our current starting RT. 14 picked up Steve, Owens, Forsett and traded for our starting center. If Ray doesn't go rogue in the off season, a good chance people aren't making these complaints now. He can't predict Pitta hip going out again. Since 12 he's brought in 4 of our 5 o linemen, while trying to bring in viable options at wr. You say Joe doesn't have a #1, but do we make big moves to bring in the defender?

People complain he only focuses on defense, but when do we see Ozzie pay a FA big money on ANY side of the of the ball? Since he brought in Mason, he's proven that his formula for offense has worked. He can't control player health, but with most teams, if guys go down, there's not much you can do.

Out of curiosity, who do you all think are the top 5 GMS anyway?

Also, teams aren't put together with just one season in mind. Not saying you, but some people are just short sighted.

To be clear, I was referencing draft moreso than FA moves which we gave the defense the top 3 picks in the draft for what? 3 seasons straight? We drafted TEs 3rd and 4th rd some 4 or 5 years ago. We drafted Torrey in the 2nd round.

 

Let's just take our TE situation for an example. Drafted Dickson & Pitta. Dickson we knew yr 2 was not what we drafted for but Pitta fit the bill. Pitta goes down with an injury and we sign him to a big off season contract and wait for 2 years later to draft another high round TE. What did we bring in? Dallas Clark & Owens. More of the same old and slow aging vet syndrome Ozzie goes with for offense.

 

It was evident that while Torrey was a solid #2, perhaps even #3, he was never going to be that #1 they thought. Yet, again with the aging vet FA instead of drafting any high round WR in 2013 or 2014. Love SSS but most of the aging vets (outside of Mason) did not pan out and it wasn't a successful strategy and hasn't been since Mason left.

 

Ozzie is definitely a top 5 GM, don't twist the point I was making. He ignored the offense and made no attempt to get those weapons for his franchise QB. He is not infallible and this was a mistake that is now catching up to us because the defense is garbage.

 

This year he chose to stand pat with some very viable options at WR available with basically SSS. Period. Outside of that we had a rookie, a 7th yr journeyman, a UDFA, a 2nd yr who had caught a handful of passes. That is not a recipe for success on the offensive side of the ball.

Edited October 15, 2015 by ravensdfan

[GrimCoconut]

If OZ isn't gone along with Trestman and Pees at the end of the year then I will catch the next plane out of the country!

I'm saving this.

[The Raven]

 If OZ isn't gone along with Trestman and Pees at the end of the year then I will catch the next  plane out of the country!

 

I'll buy your ticket

[RaineV1]

I am a bit surprised that people are wanting Trestman fired, though I probably shouldn't be. Trestman is the one who could use lack of talent as an excuse, but he's getting the job done well with what he has. The Ravens are tenth in scoring, and the offense was able to make comebacks that the defense blew.

[The Raven]

I am a bit surprised that people are wanting Trestman fired, though I probably shouldn't be. Trestman is the one who could use lack of talent as an excuse, but he's getting the job done well with what he has. The Ravens are tenth in scoring, and the offense was able to make comebacks that the defense blew.

 

Like I posted the other day, we managed 30 points on a day in which our receivers had one combined catch for zero yards in the entire second half. Trestman is killin' it.

[gtalk12]

And the thing about Kruger is that we got Doom for cheaper so it is hard to call him going to the Browns a bad decision

 

Oh no I'd never call it a bad deal on our part, my point was alot of our depth has been depleted because of free agency. Imagine if we could have kept 2 or 3 of the guys I mentioned before.

[izvoodoo]

I'm saving this.

So much love on this forum I tell ya 

[52520Andrew]

Oh no I'd never call it a bad deal on our part, my point was alot of our depth has been depleted because of free agency. Imagine if we could have kept 2 or 3 of the guys I mentioned before.

Yeah I was just adding to what you already said. Stinks to lose those FAs but we just don't have the cap for those guys which puts more pressure on drafting well to replace those guys along with drafting at the end of every round. Catches up to everyone at some point.

[52520Andrew]

Captain Hindsight strikes again.

Yeah he has made quite a few appearances on here lol