Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[Tru11]

I'm very familiar with Ozzie's impressive resume. All good things must come to an end and his time is past. That doesn't diminish what he's accomplished in an illustrious career. Like everyone else in the organization, he must be held accountable and not rest on his laurels. We are now 19-18 in the regular season since the 2012 Super Bowl. I submit there is shared responsibility for our mediocrity and he is partly to blame. If you can't handle the truth, its not my problem. Living in the past doesn't help us solve the problem. The only constant in life is that everything will change. Embrace it!

 

In the final analysis, fans need to decide whether our #1 problem is the coaching or the personnel we have. I'm suggesting its the latter.     

 

if familiar why ask that question?

[Winchester]

And like it or not the best and fair comparison to perriman coming out of college is Troy williamson. Which will tie Ozzie with millen for WR round1 busts

[frozen joe flacco fan]

if familiar why ask that question?

 

 

 

I didn't raise the question 'bout Ozzie. Somebody else did. However, I was taught a long time ago that the only stupid question there is was the one that wasn't asked. You can bet Steve will have to confront this question sooner or later if our problems persist.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I agree 100%. I understand the salary cap is a huge handcuff and injuries the past couple years have been ridiculious.....but with a few years of subpair drafts and picking up the average at best free agents......what do you get.....an average to subpair team.

......yep and here we are. 

[Dfence4champs2052]

I'm very familiar with Ozzie's impressive resume. All good things must come to an end and his time is past. That doesn't diminish what he's accomplished in an illustrious career. Like everyone else in the organization, he must be held accountable and not rest on his laurels. We are now 19-18 in the regular season since the 2012 Super Bowl. I submit there is shared responsibility for our mediocrity and he is partly to blame. If you can't handle the truth, its not my problem. Living in the past doesn't help us solve the problem. The only constant in life is that everything will change. Embrace it!

 

In the final analysis, fans need to decide whether our #1 problem is the coaching or the personnel we have. I'm suggesting its the latter.     

 

 

But it's a combination of the two though.....primarily personnel in my opinion, but coaching (specifically defensive coaching) and some other coaching aspects have SUCKED. So combo of the two.

[Edgar]

I wonder at times about the evaluation of talent post draft as well.

I am still stymied by how it is that Gino gradkowski was ever evaluated and deemed worthy of a single start. How is is possible that after a year of practice,an off season, another preseason that someone would allow him to replace Birk.

Someone(Ozzie,Harbaugh,etc.) watched him for a long time and said," yeah, we're good"

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Ozzie does not draft WRs well but is money in finding them in FA.

And if you're good at drafting the following positions

DL

LB

OL

CB

which Ozzie is good at doing. Chances are you'll field a decent team before you consider the QB(tgod for Joe). With the QB it's a good team.

Ozzie has a weakness at drafting WRs. You don't need a superstar WR to win a SB. You need a decent corps. And when healthy, we have a pretty solid one assuming Perriman becomes decent

[frozen joe flacco fan]

But it's a combination of the two though.....primarily personnel in my opinion, but coaching (specifically defensive coaching) and some other coaching aspects have SUCKED. So combo of the two.

 

If I were John Harbaugh, I would bring Dean Pees down on the sidelines for two fairly obvious reasons. That being said, I'm at a loss to say who could coach "The Lost Boys" any better than Dean. These guys play tentatively & soft much of the time. They are slow to the POA and miss a lot of tackles with the exception of Jimmy who had nine against Cleveland.   

[Dfence4champs2052]

If I were John Harbaugh, I would bring Dean Pees down on the sidelines for two fairly obvious reasons. That being said, I'm at a loss to say who could coach "The Lost Boys" any better than Dean. These guys play tentatively & soft much of the time. They are slow to the POA and miss a lot of tackles with the exception of Jimmy who had nine against Cleveland.   

 

Very true on all counts. I guess my biggest thing is the humongous cushion chafes me to no end. I just get so angry when I see it regardless of down and distance. I hope adjustments are made, but I have a feeling it's too late.

[ken_j]

My biggest beef is the defensive backfield situation. This problem started after the 2012 SB season. The team knew that although Webb had enough speed at the time, he lacked enough quickness to prevent separation on a receiver's inside cut, he was highly susceptible to double moves, he had difficulty rerouting receivers (especially quick receivers like A.J Greene, Antonio Brown and T.Y. Hilton) and was sub-par in press. They also knew the back-ups were lacking some needed coverage and tackling ability. When Reid left, they had no play making Safety and with Pollard's departure, some of the toughness left. Ihedibo helped but they let him walk. Cary was OK but, he wasn't a top notch "cover corner". Then, to add "insult to injury", the Ravens signed several DB's that spent more time on IR than they did on the field.

 

With cornerback jimmy Smith, guards Marshal Yanda and Kelechi Osemele; kicker Justin Tucker; punter Sam Koch; safety Will Hill; and linebacker Courtney Upshaw going into Free Agency and little free cap space at this time, Ozzie has some challenges.

Edited October 15, 2015 by ken_j

[balfan23]

My biggest beef is the defensive backfield situation. This problem started after the 2012 SB season. The team knew that although Webb had enough speed at the time, he lacked enough quickness to prevent separation on a receiver's inside cut, he was highly susceptible to double moves, he had difficulty rerouting receivers (especially quick receivers like A.J Greene, Antonio Brown and T.Y. Hilton) and was sub-par in press. They also knew the back-ups were lacking some needed coverage and tackling ability. When Reid left, they had no play making Safety and with Pollard's departure, some of the toughness left. Ihedibo helped but they let him walk. Cary was OK but, he wasn't a top notch "cover corner". Then, to add "insult to injury", the Ravens signed several DB's that spent more time on IR than they did on the field.

 

With cornerback jimmy Smith, guards Marshal Yanda and Kelechi Osemele; kicker Justin Tucker; punter Sam Koch; safety Will Hill; and linebacker Courtney Upshaw going into Free Agency and little free cap space at this time, Ozzie has some challenges.

Jimmy Smith and Will Hill are already under contract for next year. 

 

Koch will be expensive ... for a punter, but isn't exactly going to break the bank. Tucker will cost, but not to the level that position players will cost. 

 

I can't imagine Upshaw will garner a whole lot of money. Edge rushers make the big bucks, not edge setters. He's not exactly elevating his pay with his play in 2015. 

 

KO ... he's going to get paid and Yanda, well ... yeah. 

[Sami84]

upshaw is an immense bust. people don't bring him up as being another reason for our struggles but he is. He's abysmal. We are overrated in the scouting department. We haven't drafted any superstars in YEARS..not 1. Cj is a really good player..he's a quality LB but he's not a superstar. We are living off our 90's early 00's drafts. We have been ''okay'' in drafts since 2007..not great..and been pretty awful in some years.

 

the media are too far up ozzies behind and the organization believes its hype

here is the reality. we are 20-20 since the SB and almost missed the playoffs last year..missed it in the year before and will miss it again.

 

Harbs needs to be under the microscope because he's not a humble enough dude and thinks he's bigger than the team. He's too proud. 

 

we need to draft better..because the reality is, we have drafted poorly..

 

joe flacco needs to come back down to earth contract wise..we have been a worse team since his ridiculous contract. He's never been a top 10 QB..EVER. 

 

I'd ask him to take a paycut/restructure or i'd trade him. He isn't a QB that should be deemed untouchable.he's really really average for the most part and needs to have a team that makes him win..he can't take a team to a win. he's had 3 chances with final drives to make something happen..if you are a top notch QB..you at least win 1 of those games.

[FlackAttack]

upshaw is an immense bust. people don't bring him up as being another reason for our struggles but he is. He's abysmal. We are overrated in the scouting department. We haven't drafted any superstars in YEARS..not 1. Cj is a really good player..he's a quality LB but he's not a superstar. We are living off our 90's early 00's drafts. We have been ''okay'' in drafts since 2007..not great..and been pretty awful in some years.

 

the media are too far up ozzies behind and the organization believes its hype

here is the reality. we are 20-20 since the SB and almost missed the playoffs last year..missed it in the year before and will miss it again.

 

Harbs needs to be under the microscope because he's not a humble enough dude and thinks he's bigger than the team. He's too proud. 

 

we need to draft better..because the reality is, we have drafted poorly..

 

joe flacco needs to come back down to earth contract wise..we have been a worse team since his ridiculous contract. He's never been a top 10 QB..EVER. 

 

I'd ask him to take a paycut/restructure or i'd trade him. He isn't a QB that should be deemed untouchable.he's really really average for the most part and needs to have a team that makes him win..he can't take a team to a win. he's had 3 chances with final drives to make something happen..if you are a top notch QB..you at least win 1 of those games.

 

upshaw is definitely a bust. ive been saying that for years. hes just a waste of space on the field.

 

didnt even like the draft pick when it happened. ozzie traded out of the first round like he always does and i was so damn pissed.

[usmccharles]

upshaw is an immense bust. people don't bring him up as being another reason for our struggles but he is. He's abysmal. We are overrated in the scouting department. We haven't drafted any superstars in YEARS..not 1. Cj is a really good player..he's a quality LB but he's not a superstar. We are living off our 90's early 00's drafts. We have been ''okay'' in drafts since 2007..not great..and been pretty awful in some years.

 

the media are too far up ozzies behind and the organization believes its hype

here is the reality. we are 20-20 since the SB and almost missed the playoffs last year..missed it in the year before and will miss it again. -So 7 out of 9 playoff appearances isnt good?   I think everyone expected us to miss the playoffs after our superbowl win just because of the insane turnover rate and losing two of the best defensive players of all time...yea, thats going to hurt, a tad. 

 

Harbs needs to be under the microscope because he's not a humble enough dude and thinks he's bigger than the team. He's too proud. -Negative ghost rider.  How many playoff games have marvin lewis and andy dalton won? hes still there, he wont be if they dont win one this year.  John is just fine, i like everyone else will disagree with some calls he makes but he didnt get to this point by being a bad coach, let me guess you wanted rex ryan? 

 

we need to draft better..because the reality is, we have drafted poorly..-Agreed.  But you cant judge our recent draft just yet, although you know exactly what BP is, ill wait to actually see him play.  Ya know, in the NFL. 

 

joe flacco needs to come back down to earth contract wise..we have been a worse team since his ridiculous contract. He's never been a top 10 QB..EVER. -hahhahahahahahhahhaha.  Yea lets be a team with no qb.  How long did this team suffer because we never had a franchise qb, i doubt you would know because there is no way you would stick through those times with the rest of us.  And sadly, thats what supply and demand is, its market value, simple economics.  Yea we could of let joe walk after he won the superbowl and let him get massivley paid by someone else.  Yea we have that extra money but who is our qb, let me guess you will say tyrod?  Then what kind of message does that say to our players, "hey thanks for being the best qb we have ever had and giving us a sb, but kick rocks," yea that will go over well.  Hell people thought we were dumb for getting rid of Dilfer after our first sb....

 

I'd ask him to take a paycut/restructure or i'd trade him. He isn't a QB that should be deemed untouchable.he's really really average for the most part and needs to have a team that makes him win..he can't take a team to a win. he's had 3 chances with final drives to make something happen..if you are a top notch QB..you at least win 1 of those games.- i forgot Joe plays defense....

I think some people on here dont have realistic expectations, you cant win every single year and you cant draft superstars every draft.  The patriots have the best qb of all time and the best coach....doesnt matter who else is there. 

 

I do disagree with somethings we have done as an organization and Oz's drafting and FA moves, but to say he needs to go is out right stupid.  As someone else brought up, theres a reason why hes been here for so long and other teams go through GMs and dont win as much.  Its not because he is Steve's best friend, its because he is great at his job. 

 

And heres something that needs to be mentioned to all the people about these big FA signings we never do:  every year we are super cap tight but yet bring in different role players, if we go out and pay one guy, guess what?  we cant bring in those other guys.  Maxwell is working out real well in Philly huh? You dont become a consistent team by signing one good FA, you get an influx of talent at multiple positions.  Its also very hard to judge what Oz has done considering two contracts on the books we have zero return on right now that were at key positions, but we will never know the result if one wasnt a wife beater and the other wasnt made of glass....so its a "what if"

 

At first reading your responses i was annoyed but then i realized you are just like skip bayless, you say things for the shock value, ive learned to take it as entertainment. 

[Winchester]

upshaw is an immense bust. people don't bring him up as being another reason for our struggles but he is. He's abysmal. We are overrated in the scouting department. We haven't drafted any superstars in YEARS..not 1. Cj is a really good player..he's a quality LB but he's not a superstar. We are living off our 90's early 00's drafts. We have been ''okay'' in drafts since 2007..not great..and been pretty awful in some years.

 

the media are too far up ozzies behind and the organization believes its hype

here is the reality. we are 20-20 since the SB and almost missed the playoffs last year..missed it in the year before and will miss it again.

 

Harbs needs to be under the microscope because he's not a humble enough dude and thinks he's bigger than the team. He's too proud. 

 

we need to draft better..because the reality is, we have drafted poorly..

 

joe flacco needs to come back down to earth contract wise..we have been a worse team since his ridiculous contract. He's never been a top 10 QB..EVER. 

 

I'd ask him to take a paycut/restructure or i'd trade him. He isn't a QB that should be deemed untouchable.he's really really average for the most part and needs to have a team that makes him win..he can't take a team to a win. he's had 3 chances with final drives to make something happen..if you are a top notch QB..you at least win 1 of those games.

I agree with everything you said. Why is everybody wanting Upshaw back?? He needs to be replaced with somebody that can pressure a qb!! I been saying it since he was drafted. He is terrible!! He should never ever been an early round pick!! Our drafts have been terrible!! The ravens haven't drafted an all pro in years now. And they keep losing pro bowlers. Dumervil and Suggs will both be well over 30 next year and they ravens do not have any dynamic explosive edge rushers on the roster to replace them. The ravens are so bad because of drafting. However, I do like Joe Flacco if they got him some legit WRs. The ravens WRs are a joke!! Perriman was a long reach because WR became a huge need. Oz should have addressed WR in the 2014 draft a couple times. Or through a trade or free agency. It is really tough to justify attacks on Joe Flacco when his weapons are a joke.

[H8ME]

I wonder at times about the evaluation of talent post draft as well.

I am still stymied by how it is that Gino gradkowski was ever evaluated and deemed worthy of a single start. How is is possible that after a year of practice,an off season, another preseason that someone would allow him to replace Birk.

Someone(Ozzie,Harbaugh,etc.) watched him for a long time and said," yeah, we're good"

 

Gradkowski and Flacco have the same agent. I read somewhere he was drafted to appease the agent. You're right. Gradkowski shouldn't have never been a starter. He shouldn't even have been drafted. 

[usmccharles]

I agree with everything you said.SHOCKING Why is everybody wanting Upshaw back?? He needs to be replaced with somebody that can pressure a qb!! I been saying it since he was drafted. He is terrible!! He should never ever been an early round pick!! Our drafts have been terrible!! The ravens haven't drafted an all pro in years now. And they keep losing pro bowlers. Dumervil and Suggs will both be well over 30 next year and they ravens do not have any dynamic explosive edge rushers on the roster to replace them. The ravens are so bad because of drafting. However, I do like Joe Flacco if they got him some legit WRs. The ravens WRs are a joke!! Perriman was a long reach because WR became a huge need. Oz should have addressed WR in the 2014 draft a couple times. Or through a trade or free agency. It is really tough to justify attacks on Joe Flacco when his weapons are a joke.

And i do agree with you about Upshaw, i dont know much about college ball but when we draft someone i go back and watch their tape and he always looked slow and out of shape to me and i saw nothing impressive, i wonder who else was available around that pick.  Yea we should of drafted Torrey's replacement a year ago, big mistake and the fact that Joe does what he does with the weapons or lack there of, says what kind of QB he is. 

[Winchester]

I think some people on here dont have realistic expectations, you cant win every single year and you cant draft superstars every draft.  The patriots have the best qb of all time and the best coach....doesnt matter who else is there. 

 

I do disagree with somethings we have done as an organization and Oz's drafting and FA moves, but to say he needs to go is out right stupid.  As someone else brought up, theres a reason why hes been here for so long and other teams go through GMs and dont win as much.  Its not because he is Steve's best friend, its because he is great at his job. 

 

And heres something that needs to be mentioned to all the people about these big FA signings we never do:  every year we are super cap tight but yet bring in different role players, if we go out and pay one guy, guess what?  we cant bring in those other guys.  Maxwell is working out real well in Philly huh? You dont become a consistent team by signing one good FA, you get an influx of talent at multiple positions.  Its also very hard to judge what Oz has done considering two contracts on the books we have zero return on right now that were at key positions, but we will never know the result if one wasnt a wife beater and the other wasnt made of glass....so its a "what if"

 

At first reading your responses i was annoyed but then i realized you are just like skip bayless, you say things for the shock value, ive learned to take it as entertainment.

It is stupid to follow Ozzie mindless of the fact that the drafts since 2010 have been terrible!! Yeah everybody drafts busts but the ravens have been near the bottom of the NFL since 2010. And not to mention Ozzie has been very conservative drafting. Ravens lost Bryant and gronk in 2010 because Ozzie was stubborn about moving up. He was completely outsmarted and out maneuvered by Dallas and the patsies. And ended up with 3 busts in Cody kindle Dickson. Same in 2013 his scouts loved Hopkins and oz put his neck out and said he will be available when on the clock. Again the ravens ended up with a bust!! Then he trades up in round2 after losing out on his round1 targets and traded up for a bust in brown. 2 of his top 2012 picks were busts. He did not move up this draft and ended with perriman. Who does not have legit #1 skills. Then trades up for fat max Williams who is not as good as the te the ravens already put on the field. Then lets not get started on the contracts oz handed out with no escape routes in the contracts. And they are biting the ravens now.

[Winchester]

I think some people on here dont have realistic expectations, you cant win every single year and you cant draft superstars every draft.  The patriots have the best qb of all time and the best coach....doesnt matter who else is there. 

 

I do disagree with somethings we have done as an organization and Oz's drafting and FA moves, but to say he needs to go is out right stupid.  As someone else brought up, theres a reason why hes been here for so long and other teams go through GMs and dont win as much.  Its not because he is Steve's best friend, its because he is great at his job. 

 

And heres something that needs to be mentioned to all the people about these big FA signings we never do:  every year we are super cap tight but yet bring in different role players, if we go out and pay one guy, guess what?  we cant bring in those other guys.  Maxwell is working out real well in Philly huh? You dont become a consistent team by signing one good FA, you get an influx of talent at multiple positions.  Its also very hard to judge what Oz has done considering two contracts on the books we have zero return on right now that were at key positions, but we will never know the result if one wasnt a wife beater and the other wasnt made of glass....so its a "what if"

 

At first reading your responses i was annoyed but then i realized you are just like skip bayless, you say things for the shock value, ive learned to take it as entertainment.

They are tight against the cap because of bad signings. Both the pitta rice signings were bad among many others. Rice clearly already lost some burst when he was signed and pitta was signed to a contract with no out while he was on injured reserve already!! Maxwell hasn't worked out so that means it is not a good idea to sign impact players?? They have not signed impact players they have not drafted impact players they have not traded for impact players except Dumervil in 5 yrs now!! That is why they are so terrible right now!! How many other teams failed at drafting a single superstar since 2010?? Cj Mosley is the only player you could remotely argue is. That is 6 drafts and about 50 draft picks that have yielded no game changers. Let's hear some more excuses!!

[usmccharles]

It is stupid to follow Ozzie mindless of the fact that the drafts since 2010 have been terrible!! Yeah everybody drafts busts but the ravens have been near the bottom of the NFL since 2010. And not to mention Ozzie has been very conservative drafting. Ravens lost Bryant and gronk in 2010 because Ozzie was stubborn about moving up. He was completely outsmarted and out maneuvered by Dallas and the patsies. And ended up with 3 busts in Cody kindle Dickson. Same in 2013 his scouts loved Hopkins and oz put his neck out and said he will be available when on the clock. Again the ravens ended up with a bust!! Then he trades up in round2 after losing out on his round1 targets and traded up for a bust in brown. 2 of his top 2012 picks were busts. He did not move up this draft and ended with perriman. Who does not have legit #1 skills. Then trades up for fat max Williams who is not as good as the te the ravens already put on the field. Then lets not get started on the contracts oz handed out with no escape routes in the contracts. And they are biting the ravens now.

I just dont see how you cant be happy with a guy who has drafted well for the last decade and a half.  I will however agree with you in a sense that he doesnt make moves that i think he knows he should, he might have a little of that chip kelly arrogance in him where he wants to prove himself all the time, sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt.  I started a thread awhile back how i think he values draft picks too much and doesnt make moves enough, there we can agree for sure. 

 

They are tight against the cap because of bad signings. Both the pitta rice signings were bad among many others. Rice clearly already lost some burst when he was signed and pitta was signed to a contract with no out while he was on injured reserve already!! Maxwell hasn't worked out so that means it is not a good idea to sign impact players?? They have not signed impact players they have not drafted impact players they have not traded for impact players except Dumervil in 5 yrs now!! That is why they are so terrible right now!! How many other teams failed at drafting a single superstar since 2010?? Cj Mosley is the only player you could remotely argue is. That is 6 drafts and about 50 draft picks that have yielded no game changers. Let's hear some more excuses!!

We disagree on rice and pitta, although i wouldnt have prolly signed pitta after he got hurt but the guy was a game changer. 

 

I was using maxwell as a example, saying hes the big name guy out there and just got paid hasnt done anything, because he came from a scheme based defense.  Bolding wasnt an impact player? Doom? SSR?  Forsett? say what you want about him, but he made a big impact?  I cant defend the last couple drafts, but i have hopes for BP, carl davis, gilmoore, max, boyle, waller, williams, a couple more.  We agree to some extent....but i for sure thing he belongs here, i also think we will see a bit of a change in his philosphy.

Edited October 15, 2015 by usmccharles

[wizard1]

They are tight against the cap because of bad signings. Both the pitta rice signings were bad among many others. Rice clearly already lost some burst when he was signed and pitta was signed to a contract with no out while he was on injured reserve already!! Maxwell hasn't worked out so that means it is not a good idea to sign impact players?? They have not signed impact players they have not drafted impact players they have not traded for impact players except Dumervil in 5 yrs now!! That is why they are so terrible right now!! How many other teams failed at drafting a single superstar since 2010?? Cj Mosley is the only player you could remotely argue is. That is 6 drafts and about 50 draft picks that have yielded no game changers. Let's hear some more excuses!!

 

Don't worry about it Ozzie will be gone after this year as will Trestman and Pees. If we are 1 an 7 at the bye as I am predicting Trestman will be gone then.

[usmccharles]

Don't worry about it Ozzie will be gone after this year as will Trestman and Pees. If we are 1 an 7 at the bye as I am predicting Trestman will be gone then.

hahah,  dont forget John and Joe. Might as well add Tucker in there, hes terrible, he missed that kick at home that cost us the game....

[H8ME]

My biggest beef is the defensive backfield situation. This problem started after the 2012 SB season. The team knew that although Webb had enough speed at the time, he lacked enough quickness to prevent separation on a receiver's inside cut, he was highly susceptible to double moves, he had difficulty rerouting receivers (especially quick receivers like A.J Greene, Antonio Brown and T.Y. Hilton) and was sub-par in press. They also knew the back-ups were lacking some needed coverage and tackling ability. When Reid left, they had no play making Safety and with Pollard's departure, some of the toughness left. Ihedibo helped but they let him walk. Cary was OK but, he wasn't a top notch "cover corner". Then, to add "insult to injury", the Ravens signed several DB's that spent more time on IR than they did on the field.

 

With cornerback jimmy Smith, guards Marshal Yanda and Kelechi Osemele; kicker Justin Tucker; punter Sam Koch; safety Will Hill; and linebacker Courtney Upshaw going into Free Agency and little free cap space at this time, Ozzie has some challenges.

 

Dude, where have you been? J. Smith, W. Hill, and S. Koch are already signed. Should be no urgency to sign Upshaw thus leaving Tucker, Yanda, and Osemele. After re-structuring Flaccos contract there will be plenty money available.

 

All of the toughness left. Ray retired. The other toughness was purged from the team; Pollard, Leach, Ellerbee, Boldin, Reed. And the Eagles offered Cary WIlliams a little more $$. Somebody in the castle is awfully arrogant to purge that much talent. They're paying for it now.

 

If it wasn't for Gary Kubiaks offense they would have stunk last year too. 

Edited October 15, 2015 by H8ME

[polynesian15]

Don't worry about it Ozzie will be gone after this year as will Trestman and Pees. If we are 1 an 7 at the bye as I am predicting Trestman will be gone then.

C'mon man, be real here. Oz has established himself plenty, that he won't get booted over 1 bad season - use common sense instead of this 'sensationalistic' garbage.

Trestman should also be safe, the offense hasn't lost us any games imo except maybe against Denver. We're around the 10th mark in points and yards, and that's in the first year of yet another new offense - "without ANY playmakers" as all the haters like to point out. On top of that the O-line has been dissapointing - so offense is not too shabby all things considered.

Pees however needs to go, imo we need a fresh approach on the defensive side. We should really focus on pass rush + secondary in the top of the draft/FA, along with a coaching revolution.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Well, the defense IS broken, so mix things up - try new things.

Rant over, go Ravens.

 

[Guest]

In my opinion something happened to Oz with the Championship.  The post Championship player turnover was a clear indication Oz really thought he could plug in new pieces for All Pros.

 

When he quibbled over Boldin's value the alarm went off. It's been ringing ever since.

[usmccharles]

In my opinion something happened to Oz with the Championship.  The post Championship player turnover was a clear indication Oz really thought he could plug in new pieces for All Pros.

 

When he quibbled over Boldin's value the alarm went off. It's been ringing ever since.

I dont think it had anything to do with us wining the championship, just look at the turnover rate we had on players, look at how many starters we lost, role players even, two of those were basically the best ever at their position.  I think the only issue was not drafting replacements at all for some of our elite guys, our elite guys could mask a lot of problems that we had. 

 

The  Boldin thing is a catch 22, if we dont do that we dont get Doom.  I loved boldin, he was essential to our SB run, the only mistake was not getting an adequate replacement

[Guest]

I dont think it had anything to do with us wining the championship, just look at the turnover rate we had on players, look at how many starters we lost, role players even, two of those were basically the best ever at their position.  I think the only issue was not drafting replacements at all for some of our elite guys, our elite guys could mask a lot of problems that we had. 

 

The  Boldin thing is a catch 22, if we dont do that we dont get Doom.  I loved boldin, he was essential to our SB run, the only mistake was not getting an adequate replacement

 

Respect your opinion,

 

I'd only ask one thing from everyone though....accurately identify the cap savings from purges in regard to the cap expenses for the acquired replacements.  When those replacements walk away with the savings despite not playing, you've got a phenomena that is hard to explain.

[usmccharles]

Respect your opinion,

 

I'd only ask one thing from everyone though....accurately identify the cap savings from purges in regard to the cap expenses for the acquired replacements.  When those replacements walk away with the savings despite not playing, you've got a phenomena that is hard to explain.

I think you hit a very important point, replacements arent as easy to find, but you at least need the money to look for one.  I think we have done a terrible job of doing so which is obvious... SSR was Boldin's replacement, just a tade late.  I expect changes to come, hopefully

[Purple Punishment]

I said 5-6 years we have drafted 1 pro bowler in those years. 2010 was a complete bust as well. and 2009 we don't have either of those players on the team.

Well the Lions have Stafford and Johnson.

Raiders had Asomugha

Browns had Josh Gordon.

All top level talent pro bowlers at one time or another. Where are their Super Bowl rings?

What Seahawks wideout made the pro bowl the past two seasons?

[rmcjacket23]

Respect your opinion,

 

I'd only ask one thing from everyone though....accurately identify the cap savings from purges in regard to the cap expenses for the acquired replacements.  When those replacements walk away with the savings despite not playing, you've got a phenomena that is hard to explain.

Well, first I'd ask what players specifically were part of the "purge" that we now miss? There's a lengthy list of players we haven't retained, except the majority of them didn't play where elsewhere and certainly didn't live up to the contract they played for.

 

Then once, you've identified the players that we lost that you think we actually miss, then you can identify the replacement players we had for them AND how much that replacement player cost. 

 

I know of at least 3-4 players on that list that come to mind, and we've acquired or drafted replacements for mostly all of them. 

 

Of the 2013 purge, I really don't see a player that we "miss" due to not being able to find an adequate replacement. In the three year period since then, there's only two guys that I wish we had right now... Corey Graham and Pernell McPhee.