Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[redrum52]

I recall people here thinking we should've tagged him two years in a row, which I recall people saying would ultimately save us money and mitigate some risk in giving a long-term deal to an aging RB. Hindsight obviously suggests this would've been a great idea, but whatever. It's over now.

I was never fond of extending Rice but I understood the decision.

Same. I said put the money in the o line.

[PeRK82]

Can we Out Law the " In Ozzie we trust b.s. " it got old years ago, its way way too over rated especially when all these other GMs how absolutely no issue finding gem wrers at any draft pick number. You cant be that great when i have yet to see a WR that is a true number 1.

 

How bout you take you medicine and give up a 1st rounder for a well established true number 1.

[PeRK82]

I still have no issue with the rice contract. Up until the year after the superbowl he was a top rb in the entire league and one of those rare rb talents that had the ability to make something out of nothing, 4th and 29 anyone? 2013 our oline was terrible and he got hurt. In 2014 he came back to training camp with lower weight was said to look explosive again. No one could have seen what was comming. I honestly believe if he wasn't the poster child for DV and got to play again, he would of been back to that explosive guy we all missed.

I think a lot of ppl who say that contract is bad mainly does so is because we had forset and the year he had. Easy to judge this after the fact...

 Rice peaked the yr before if not the prior yr, i have said it countless times before. If he wasnt catching the ball, he was worthless. way way too many times i watched him NOT getting a foot when you only needed 2 feet. Same goes for Forsett, yes he had a good game but to be honest, he reminds me of Rice but worse at times, All of Forsett's 5.1 yds a carry last season came at Garbage time.

[GrimCoconut]

Rice peaked the yr before if not the prior yr, i have said it countless times before. If he wasnt catching the ball, he was worthless. way way too many times i watched him NOT getting a foot when you only needed 2 feet. Same goes for Forsett, yes he had a good game but to be honest, he reminds me of Rice but worse at times, All of Forsett's 5.1 yds a carry last season came at Garbage time.

The difference between Rice and Forsett is their contracts. Completely different comparisons as a result.

[PeRK82]

The difference between Rice and Forsett is their contracts. Completely different comparisons as a result.

Oh no doubt, i think we got Forsett at a steal. I didnt think we should have paid him more than 5 mil and we got him at 3 mil. i was pleasantly surprised.

[usmccharles]

 Rice peaked the yr before if not the prior yr, i have said it countless times before. If he wasnt catching the ball, he was worthless. way way too many times i watched him NOT getting a foot when you only needed 2 feet. Same goes for Forsett, yes he had a good game but to be honest, he reminds me of Rice but worse at times, All of Forsett's 5.1 yds a carry last season came at Garbage time.

Worthless, really?  He may have jacked his wife in the face, but he was a good rb, better than average

            Rushing          Receiving

2009       1339                 702

2010       1220                 556

2011       1360                 704

2012       1143                 478

 

Yea those are terrible numbers.  Guy put great numbers, yea sometimes he didnt get a yard, hes not marshawn lynch.  Forsett got his yards in garbage time? what in the world are you talking about?  I know a lot of people dont like the Rice contract, i just dont blame ozzie, and i dont blame him for resigning forsett at the cost we got him considering what was out there.  Man i thought the torrey hate was bad, i never realized rice's was just as bad

[AsianRice]

Ozzie is the master of finding a linemen or DBs but apprentice of finding a true WR based on his drafting track record....I guess it's too perfect to have both like men wants a mistress and a wife at the same time..... 

[Drew P]

That's part of the problem...despite not signing high priced Free agents we are still losing great players every year....and great coaches too lol

 

Notice how no teams are beating down the door for Pees

[ravens88]

We are in a drafting slump that is the main reason for our struggles. we have not hit on our 1st and 2nd picks in a good 5-6 years. CAP is what it is and we got to enjoy low priced deals 08-12 on our star players during their rookie deals, now they are paid or forced to have been traded due to price, this is where our bad drafting has finally caught up we have not restocked our talent like we used to.

[RaineV1]

Can we Out Law the " In Ozzie we trust b.s. " it got old years ago, its way way too over rated especially when all these other GMs how absolutely no issue finding gem wrers at any draft pick number. You cant be that great when i have yet to see a WR that is a true number 1.

 

How bout you take you medicine and give up a 1st rounder for a well established true number 1.

People say "In Ozzie we trust" because the Ravens have been one of the most consistently good teams of the last fifteen years. How many other teams in this league have had as many winning seasons as the Ravens since 2000? The Pats are the only ones that have done it better. The teams that bet the farm on a one or two players will usually only have one or two good seasons before sliding right back to mediocrity, and that's if the play pans out.

[RaineV1]

We are in a drafting slump that is the main reason for our struggles. we have not hit on our 1st and 2nd picks in a good 5-6 years. CAP is what it is and we got to enjoy low priced deals 08-12 on our star players during their rookie deals, now they are paid or forced to have been traded due to price, this is where our bad drafting has finally caught up we have not restocked our talent like we used to.

The jury is out on the 2015 draft but before that:

2014: Mosley in the first and Jernigan in the second. I'd consider those to be hits.

2013: yeah, two misses

2012: KO in the second who helped the Ravens win a Super Bowl, and helped nearly get them back there last year.

2011: Jimmy Smith and Torrey Smith, both hits.

 

Still far better than most teams in the league.

[PurpleCity5]

The jury is out on the 2015 draft but before that:

2014: Mosley in the first and Jernigan in the second. I'd consider those to be hits.

2013: yeah, two misses

2012: KO in the second who helped the Ravens win a Super Bowl, and helped nearly get them back there last year.

2011: Jimmy Smith and Torrey Smith, both hits.

 

Still far better than most teams in the league.

Really think the Upshaw pick was a miss. I'm not saying he's bad, he's solid but right now he's underpreforming heading into the contract year not to mention the fact that we really missed out on some good players. I mean we picked Upshaw ahead of Janoris Jenkins, Alshon Jeffery, and Bobby Wagner, you could easily justify picking those guys in the 2nd round. The biggest stinker in my opinion was giving Minnesota Harrison Smith, gosh I want that one back. 

[izvoodoo]

Really think the Upshaw pick was a miss. I'm not saying he's bad, he's solid but right now he's underpreforming heading into the contract year not to mention the fact that we really missed out on some good players. I mean we picked Upshaw ahead of Janoris Jenkins, Alshon Jeffery, and Bobby Wagner, you could easily justify picking those guys in the 2nd round. The biggest stinker in my opinion was giving Minnesota Harrison Smith, gosh I want that one back. 

I think if you switch KO and upshaw then the picks are ok.

 

I don't think we've been poor at drafting, I think we've only been ok.  And in this league ok is going to lose a lot of games.  

[PurpleCity5]

I think if you switch KO and upshaw then the picks are ok.

 

I don't think we've been poor at drafting, I think we've only been ok.  And in this league ok is going to lose a lot of games.  

Yeah, I think we're a great drafting team overall, but in the past 3 or 4 years we haven't been great. I personally would like to the have the Upshaw pick back but then again he played a role in our SB run.

 

I think our 2015 Draft class may be better than our 2014 class. 

[redlobster]

I still have no issue with the rice contract. Up until the year after the superbowl he was a top rb in the entire league and one of those rare rb talents that had the ability to make something out of nothing, 4th and 29 anyone? 2013 our oline was terrible and he got hurt. In 2014 he came back to training camp with lower weight was said to look explosive again. No one could have seen what was comming. I honestly believe if he wasn't the poster child for DV and got to play again, he would of been back to that explosive guy we all missed.

I think a lot of ppl who say that contract is bad mainly does so is because we had forset and the year he had. Easy to judge this after the fact...

 

The pitta contract on the other hand.

[The Raven]

I think part of the reason Ozzie looks bad is because we lack "star power." We don't have ESPN Top 10 play makers. But there's nothing we can do about that when we pick where we get to pick. For Ozzie to even find good starters like Rick Wagner and Arthur Jones in the rounds we got them, it says a lot. He gets good value. 

 

And again, the problem right now is the injury report. This team looked really good against the Broncos, even though we did lose that game. We looked good when we were healthy. The defense looked great until they got banged up. Remember that we shut down Peyton week 1. 

[redlobster]

I think part of the reason Ozzie looks bad is because we lack "star power." We don't have ESPN Top 10 play makers. But there's nothing we can do about that when we pick where we get to pick. For Ozzie to even find good starters like Rick Wagner and Arthur Jones in the rounds we got them, it says a lot. He gets good value. 

 

And again, the problem right now is the injury report. This team looked really good against the Broncos, even though we did lose that game. We looked good when we were healthy. The defense looked great until they got banged up. Remember that we shut down Peyton week 1. 

 

I thought the Peyton manning game was awesome but look at the 4 games since for the ravens defense and for manning. He is the reason the defense looked good not the defense. He is crumbling before our eyes physically

[Ravenseconbeast]

Speaking of kindle..... Source was Wikipedia

As of November 2014, Kindle is selling automobiles in Austin, Texas at Covert Buick GMC.

Good for him.

[Winchester]

I think if you switch KO and upshaw then the picks are ok.

 

I don't think we've been poor at drafting, I think we've only been ok.  And in this league ok is going to lose a lot of games.

Seriously?????!!!!! Upshaw is terrible. Totally useless as an edge rusher!! Oh and has anybody noticed this is a passing league!! So when the ravens run into a hot elite qb in the playoffs or Superbowl, what is upshaw going to do?? Set the edge?? And he is overrated at that!! You see that is when you know oz has been terrible in the draft. When you take subpar players and pimp them out as being okay. Even if upshaw is mediocre. Mediocre players will get you to a 5-11 record if not playing next to game changer type players. Trading up at times is the way to go on occasions. It is the most proven way to get the building blocks of a championship team. Oz has never demonstrated the skills to find much pro bowl talent in rounds 2-4. He still gets far to much credit for drafting Ogden over Phillips. Ray Lewis was pure luck. Oz wanted LBs and Ray was the best that was left. And turned out to be the best of the bunch. Who wouldn't trade perriman and maxx for Kevin white?? Or perriman maxx and Allen for Cooper or White?? White could easily be the better WR anyways. Perriman Maxx and Allen are nothing special and easily replaced. A game breaker WR that sets the table for the other weapons is not easily replaced. Same thing with edge rushers. Very imperative these days!! Randy Gregory should have been the pick. A very reasonable risk for a player that the ravens will not have a crack at again. Because to all the In oz we trust flock. Do you guys think this defense gets fixed in one year?? Suggs and Dumervil will be a year older. Still need a safety another mlb and corners. Not to mention jernigan has regressed. That's another thing. Oz overlooked some great WRs that year.

[I AM LEGEND]

I think part of the reason Ozzie looks bad is because we lack "star power." We don't have ESPN Top 10 play makers. But there's nothing we can do about that when we pick where we get to pick. For Ozzie to even find good starters like Rick Wagner and Arthur Jones in the rounds we got them, it says a lot. He gets good value.

And again, the problem right now is the injury report. This team looked really good against the Broncos, even though we did lose that game. We looked good when we were healthy. The defense looked great until they got banged up. Remember that we shut down Peyton week 1.

Exactly. We don't draft them because where always at the back end of the draft....but more importantly when those top 10-20 talents finally hit the free agent market it's not in Ozzie's mentality to go after them. As another poster stated earlier...ozzie waits till the 3rd or 4th wave of Free agents. Whether it's bc it's just not Ozzie's way to go after them or bc we never have the cap to sign them...a year like this year would've been nice to have some flash of talent.

For instance I was really upset that we didn't go after Brandon Marshall or Percy Harvin when they hit the market..whether they weren't our type of players or not they would've helped alot.

Then the flip side is Suh. You pay him a gazillion dollars to have him do what a practice squad player could do...then your out of luck.

Once again Ozzie's track record shows we need to trust "his way" more than doubt him...but when your team is 1-4 and looks as talentless as we do..things like this get brought up.

Edited October 14, 2015 by I AM LEGEND

[izvoodoo]

Yeah, I think we're a great drafting team overall, but in the past 3 or 4 years we haven't been great. I personally would like to the have the Upshaw pick back but then again he played a role in our SB run.

 

I think our 2015 Draft class may be better than our 2014 class. 

Actually I think the past 2 years we've been pretty good from what I can see.  Though that largely depends on Perriman.  That Elam draft left a lot to be desired.  I also think a lot of it is development, the talent comes in but doesn't always succeed.  Some if it is just plain bad luck with injuries.  

[JO_75]

Can we Out Law the " In Ozzie we trust b.s. " it got old years ago, its way way too over rated especially when all these other GMs how absolutely no issue finding gem wrers at any draft pick number. You cant be that great when i have yet to see a WR that is a true number 1.

 

How bout you take you medicine and give up a 1st rounder for a well established true number 1.

 

How long has Ozzie been with us? 20 years, 20 long years of Ozzie Newsome working in our front office. You say these other GMs find star WRs at any pick. Brandon Marshall was a fourth round pick in 2006, drafted by then General Manager Jerry Angelo. Your logic says the Bears shouldn't have fired him because he drafted Marshall a star WR in the fourth round. Yet he was fired after 10 years with the Bears(2001-2011). Brian Xanders was the Broncos GM when they drafted Demaryius Thomas in 2010 when they took him in the first round. He was also fired after 2011, your logic says he shouldn't have.

 

I can go on for a while here, but point is General Managers aren't defined for drafting star players at a particular position. Now a days yes, if you can't find a franchise QB then as a GM you will be fired. Then again, Ryan Grigson walked right into a franchise QB with Luck but yet has done such a poor job that he deserves to be fired for it. Teams every year go through GMs and coaches and some teams(looking at you Cleveland) go through GMs like people change their underwear. You don't think Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tampa, teams that consistently are picking at the top of the draft and changing GMs wouldn't want to be in our shoes? I think those teams envy us in the fact Ozzie has been here since 1996 and has yet to be fired while they are constantly changing trying to find an answer. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

So basically, either a retread with marginal success or somebody who probably isn't qualified for the position to begin with.

 

Specifically, what exactly qualifies Jonathan Ogden to be the GM of an NFL team? He played football, and.....?

 

Well, let's see! Ozzie Newsome played football, and .....?

[PurpleCity5]

Actually I think the past 2 years we've been pretty good from what I can see.  Though that largely depends on Perriman.  That Elam draft left a lot to be desired.  I also think a lot of it is development, the talent comes in but doesn't always succeed.  Some if it is just plain bad luck with injuries.  

Yeah. I liked what we did the last two drafts. Our first three picks were C.J Mosley, Timmy Jernigan and Crockett Gilmore. Complete hits! We also nabbed Urschel, our future starting guard and if Brent Urban comes around then our 2014 Draft could be one of our finest. 2015 is looking even better IMO. 

[Tru11]

How long has Ozzie been with us? 20 years, 20 long years of Ozzie Newsome working in our front office. You say these other GMs find star WRs at any pick. Brandon Marshall was a fourth round pick in 2006, drafted by then General Manager Jerry Angelo. Your logic says the Bears shouldn't have fired him because he drafted Marshall a star WR in the fourth round. Yet he was fired after 10 years with the Bears(2001-2011). Brian Xanders was the Broncos GM when they drafted Demaryius Thomas in 2010 when they took him in the first round. He was also fired after 2011, your logic says he shouldn't have.

 

I can go on for a while here, but point is General Managers aren't defined for drafting star players at a particular position. Now a days yes, if you can't find a franchise QB then as a GM you will be fired. Then again, Ryan Grigson walked right into a franchise QB with Luck but yet has done such a poor job that he deserves to be fired for it. Teams every year go through GMs and coaches and some teams(looking at you Cleveland) go through GMs like people change their underwear. You don't think Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tampa, teams that consistently are picking at the top of the draft and changing GMs wouldn't want to be in our shoes? I think those teams envy us in the fact Ozzie has been here since 1996 and has yet to be fired while they are constantly changing trying to find an answer. 

 

dont pay attention to these guys lol.

 

they obviously are big fans of matt millen who spend several drafts wasting 1st rounds picks on WRs  before finally landing Calvin Johnson      

[Tru11]

Well, let's see! Ozzie Newsome played football, and .....?

 

you do know you can get his info from this site right?

the man had a FO job and was assistant to belichick before the team was moved and belichick was let go...

based on how much he showed he was asked to be VP of player personnel.

he did not get the chance out of nowhere lol.

he was with the team and after that was still involved...

 

 

1991-95: (with Cleveland) First position in the Browns’ front office was as a special assignment scout…Two years later (1993), Newsome was promoted to a very comprehensive assignment – assistant to the head coach (Bill Belichick)/offense/pro personnel…In 1994, Newsome was named the Browns’ director of pro personnel…Although he continued to help on the field, Newsome provided detailed studies on other NFL players and recommended which players the Browns should try to acquire.

[ratedr]

Well, let's see! Ozzie Newsome played football, and .....?

Someone didn't watch the Cleveland '95 A Football Life...

[ravens88]

The jury is out on the 2015 draft but before that:

2014: Mosley in the first and Jernigan in the second. I'd consider those to be hits.

2013: yeah, two misses

2012: KO in the second who helped the Ravens win a Super Bowl, and helped nearly get them back there last year.

2011: Jimmy Smith and Torrey Smith, both hits.

 

Still far better than most teams in the league.

 

 I said 5-6 years we have drafted 1 pro bowler in those years. 2010 was a complete bust as well. and 2009 we don't have either of those players on the team.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

you do know you can get his info from this site right?

the man had a FO job and was assistant to belichick before the team was moved and belichick was let go...

based on how much he showed he was asked to be VP of player personnel.

he did not get the chance out of nowhere lol.

he was with the team and after that was still involved...

 

 

1991-95: (with Cleveland) First position in the Browns’ front office was as a special assignment scout…Two years later (1993), Newsome was promoted to a very comprehensive assignment – assistant to the head coach (Bill Belichick)/offense/pro personnel…In 1994, Newsome was named the Browns’ director of pro personnel…Although he continued to help on the field, Newsome provided detailed studies on other NFL players and recommended which players the Browns should try to acquire.

I'm very familiar with Ozzie's impressive resume. All good things must come to an end and his time is past. That doesn't diminish what he's accomplished in an illustrious career. Like everyone else in the organization, he must be held accountable and not rest on his laurels. We are now 19-18 in the regular season since the 2012 Super Bowl. I submit there is shared responsibility for our mediocrity and he is partly to blame. If you can't handle the truth, its not my problem. Living in the past doesn't help us solve the problem. The only constant in life is that everything will change. Embrace it!

 

In the final analysis, fans need to decide whether our #1 problem is the coaching or the personnel we have. I'm suggesting its the latter.     

[Winchester]

dont pay attention to these guys lol.

 

they obviously are big fans of matt millen who spend several drafts wasting 1st rounds picks on WRs  before finally landing Calvin Johnson      

When it comes to selecting WRs Ozzie makes Matt Millen look like Nostradamus.