Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[kassaiscool]

Dez and DT were the same draft I am fairly sure

 

Yea my mistake they were, but my point is still the same. They got jumped by two teams for great receivers late in the first round. Then we traded out the first totally to draft Sergio Kindle in the 2nd.

[Purple Punishment]

Yea my mistake they were, but my point is still the same. They got jumped by two teams for great receivers late in the first round. Then we traded out the first totally to draft Sergio Kindle in the 2nd.

The pick looked awesome.....then the stairs...

[Purple Punishment]

Speaking of kindle..... Source was Wikipedia

As of November 2014, Kindle is selling automobiles in Austin, Texas at Covert Buick GMC.

[kassaiscool]

The pick looked awesome.....then the stairs...

 

Yep, but that draft was pretty weak even if he panned out.

[Moderator 3]

Maybe I missed it, but has anyone suggested trading Ozzie for a 1st and 2nd yet?

[52520Andrew]

Yea my mistake they were, but my point is still the same. They got jumped by two teams for great receivers late in the first round. Then we traded out the first totally to draft Sergio Kindle in the 2nd.

 

Yeah we ended up getting Kindle, Dickson, and Pitta out of that trade, 2010 was not a good draft for us, especially with all the talent that was in there

[Tru11]

Maybe I missed it, but has anyone suggested trading Ozzie for a 1st and 2nd yet?

 

dont give them ideas lol

[jimmypowder]

Right now I would trade Ozzie straight up for Julio Jones!

[BmoreBird22]

 can people stop with the bad contracts ?

 

when rice signed his deal nobody could predict that he would slap his wife on camera in the future.

at the time he signed the contract he was 1 of the top players at his position.

 

webb same as well.

when he signed his contract in the offseason of 2012 he being viewed at 1 of the top corners in the NFL.

aint no way anyone could predict he would get a bad injury later that season and never be the same since.

 

pitta many seem to forget he got back after his first injury and played some games with out getting an injury.

he played week 14 of the 2013 season all the way to week 17 without much issues.

he then signed his new deal in feb 2014 and everything was fine till sept 21 when he got re injured.

 

again you could not have predicted this.

I personally HATED the Pitta contract, but all the others were great deals at the time, to me.

[Tru11]

I personally HATED the Pitta contract, but all the others were great deals at the time, to me.

 

wasent a fan of it because he was a terrible runblocker but from the organisation stand point i can certainly see why they did it.

 

he was 1 of the better pass catching TE and they wanted to keep flacco favorite target and safety net.

he was also a match up nightmare for lbers and safeties which could potentially create mismatches all over the field for others.

 

im pretty confident that if he did not get injured he would have lived up to it though.

flacco would have had better numbers as well.

 

id probably be fine with it if he improved his run blocking.

but thb pass catching TEs are getting paid nowadays.

[BmoreBird22]

wasent a fan of it because he was a terrible runblocker but from the organisation stand point i can certainly see why they did it.

he was 1 of the better pass catching TE and they wanted to keep flacco favorite target and safety net.

he was also a match up nightmare for lbers and safeties which could potentially create mismatches all over the field for others.

im pretty confident that if he did not get injured he would have lived up to it though.

flacco would have had better numbers as well.

id probably be fine with it if he improved his run blocking.

but thb pass catching TEs are getting paid nowadays.

I just thought the chance of re-injury was way too high for someone who put up good, not elite, stats. I was wanting a one year prove it deal

[Tru11]

I just thought the chance of re-injury was way too high for someone who put up good, not elite, stats. I was wanting a one year prove it deal

 

well tbh i have no clue on what the chances on a re injury where.

i would have liked a 1 year deal as well but i doubt he would have accepted it

 

im just going to assume the FO did inquire about a possible re injury before handing out the deal.

i guess the % where low enough to go for such a deal instead of a 1 year contract.

 

agree though a 1 year deal might have been better.

but given our luck lately he would have played lights out and either raised the price or walked in FA lol

[Bmoreazfan]

If you read the expert opinions on Pitta's hip dislocation/fracture we had plenty of reason to believe he could suffer long term consequences from it as well as re-injuring it. I am assuming the front office must have used Pitta's agent for all of their medical advice? This was a risky move from the start and pretty hard to justify it as being the right move at the time. I'm pretty sure most organizations would have tried to sign him to a short term deal and at most if they used the franchise tag to wait and see we would have only been out 1 year salary since he immediately re injured it.

Edited October 13, 2015 by Bmoreazfan

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I noticed you didn't provide a name for who the next GM should be... why is that?

 

I don't have anyone in mind but it would be someone who has a good football IQ like Charlie Casserly. There are probably some former Ravens players who could also do the job, e.g., Jonathan Ogden.

[ratedr]

If you read the expert opinions on Pitta's hip dislocation/fracture we had plenty of reason to believe he could suffer long term consequences from it as well as re-injuring it. I am assuming the front office must have used Pitta's agent for all of their medical advice? This was a risky move from the start and pretty hard to justify it as being the right move at the time. I'm pretty sure most organizations would have tried to sign him to a short term deal and at most if they used the franchise tag to wait and see we would have only been out 1 year salary since he immediately re injured it.

Not sure who negged you for this. You're 100% correct. That was an absolutely awful deal considering the circumstances.

[ratedr]

For the record though I'm not in favor of Ozzie leaving after 1 bad season. Come on. Did you all want Ozzie gone in 2002-2007 too?

[PurpleCity5]

I like what we're doing now. I don't want to see us throw money at FA's and hamper our ability to keep our own guys. I would like to see us sign 1 or 2 impact starters, which I definitely see us doing in the off-season. No way we do again what we did last season which is depend on guys to step up. 

[PurpleCity5]

If you read the expert opinions on Pitta's hip dislocation/fracture we had plenty of reason to believe he could suffer long term consequences from it as well as re-injuring it. I am assuming the front office must have used Pitta's agent for all of their medical advice? This was a risky move from the start and pretty hard to justify it as being the right move at the time. I'm pretty sure most organizations would have tried to sign him to a short term deal and at most if they used the franchise tag to wait and see we would have only been out 1 year salary since he immediately re injured it.

Our offense flowed so much better with Pitta in the lineup. Not to mention him and Joe had great chemistry. I really feel that if it wasn't for the injury Pitta could have been a pro-bowler, I'm serious on that one. 

Edited October 13, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[EternalRavensDefense]

Look, we were bound to have a losing season at some point. Under Harbaugh, We have gone 7 seasons without being below .500. I think people have forgotten just how hard it is to win in the NFL. It has nothing to do with the message getting stale, Harbaugh losing the locker room, or players lacking heart. We have to take a look at the Ravens in a proper historical context to get an understanding of what is going on and how successful the Ravens have been overall.

In fact, our 5 consecutive playoffs appearance from 2008-2012 is actually impressive when you realize that the record for most postseason appearance going back to 1950 are the Cowboys from 1975-1983 with 9 straight. The only other team with 9 straight playoffs appearance are the Colts from 2002-2010. The teams with 8 straight postseason appearance are the Steelers in the 70s, the 49ers in the 80s, the Rams in the 70s, and the cowboys from 1966-1973.

As an expansion franchise, the Ravens have been a huge exception in term of winning. In just 20 years, we already have 2 superbowls, the best winning playoffs percentage, tied with the Packers for most road wins in the playoffs, and winning seasons overall. Now, the Ravens have done all of this in the salary cap era. The only team with 9 consecutive playoffs appearance on that list above that played in the salary cap era are the Colts who had the greatest regular season quarterback of all time in Peyton Manning. All the other teams are from before the salary cap and free agency era so they had the ability to keep all of their core players.

Furthermore, the Ravens have based their organizational philosophy on the Steelers. From 1933-1971, the Steelers only made the playoffs once. They were the worst franchise in football for 38 years with multiples coaches, GMs, and instability in term of what they actually wanted to do. It was only once they got Noll and stuck to a coach for a while that they achieved success. Under Cowher, the Steelers were 64-32 from 1992-1997. They hit a rough patch with a 7-9 record in 1998, 6-10 record in 1999, and 9-7 in 2000. Steelers fans wanted Cowher gone because they felt that he had overstayed his welcome and that the team was no longer responding to him. However, the Rooneys stuck with him because they were confident that he could repeat his earlier successes and it worked out with them going 13-3 in 2001 and eventually winning the Superbowl with Ben.

This is important because Newsome is not on the hot seat over one bad season and neither is Harbaugh. The Ravens are not going to overreact and try dismantle everything.

[I AM LEGEND]

I like what we're doing now. I don't want to see us throw money at FA's and hamper our ability to keep our own guys.

That's part of the problem...despite not signing high priced Free agents we are still losing great players every year....and great coaches too lol

[PurpleCity5]

That's part of the problem...despite not signing high priced Free agents we are still losing great players every year....and great coaches too lol

Hey I'm with you. I would love to throw cash at a guy like Eric Weddle(I can't stop talking about how badly I want him here) for once. I hope we put our current trend on a hold for just once. We have excuses for the offense under-preforming, injuries becoming a contributing factor as for the defense? It's bad, just bad and we're going to have to make serious changes. I feel that the majority of the off-season work will be dedicated to fix this defense. I have full confidence in the Front Office, they tend to bounce back after a stinker of a season. 

Edited October 13, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[usmccharles]

I still have no issue with the rice contract. Up until the year after the superbowl he was a top rb in the entire league and one of those rare rb talents that had the ability to make something out of nothing, 4th and 29 anyone? 2013 our oline was terrible and he got hurt. In 2014 he came back to training camp with lower weight was said to look explosive again. No one could have seen what was comming. I honestly believe if he wasn't the poster child for DV and got to play again, he would of been back to that explosive guy we all missed.

I think a lot of ppl who say that contract is bad mainly does so is because we had forset and the year he had. Easy to judge this after the fact...

Edited October 13, 2015 by usmccharles

[rmcjacket23]

I don't have anyone in mind but it would be someone who has a good football IQ like Charlie Casserly. There are probably some former Ravens players who could also do the job, e.g., Jonathan Ogden.

So basically, either a retread with marginal success or somebody who probably isn't qualified for the position to begin with.

 

Specifically, what exactly qualifies Jonathan Ogden to be the GM of an NFL team? He played football, and.....?

[rmw10]

This thread just keeps on improving in comedy.

[BmoreBird22]

well tbh i have no clue on what the chances on a re injury where.

i would have liked a 1 year deal as well but i doubt he would have accepted it

 

im just going to assume the FO did inquire about a possible re injury before handing out the deal.

i guess the % where low enough to go for such a deal instead of a 1 year contract.

 

agree though a 1 year deal might have been better.

but given our luck lately he would have played lights out and either raised the price or walked in FA lol

The only blessing and saving grace of this is that Crockett, Maxx, and Boyle are all on their rookie deals and they all look promising.

 

But as far as the re-injury goes, apparently his socket is a bit too large for ball at the end of his femur. I'm just going off what I said, but I would imagine that would have re-upped the chances. But then again, it was an extremely obscure injury to begin with.

[DomMcRaven]

This thread just keeps on improving in comedy.

I know right!!

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Looking back, maybe the Franchise Tag on Rice, Pitta, etc, would have been the smarter move

[usmccharles]

Looking back, maybe the Franchise Tag on Rice, Pitta, etc, would have been the smarter move

True.  But how many things could this mindset be used for...

[rmcjacket23]

Looking back, maybe the Franchise Tag on Rice, Pitta, etc, would have been the smarter move

Pitta yes. Rice no.

 

You franchise tag Rice in 2011, and you give him the same (or better deal) in 2012. Then the dead cap money is even bigger.

[GrimCoconut]

Pitta yes. Rice no.

You franchise tag Rice in 2011, and you give him the same (or better deal) in 2012. Then the dead cap money is even bigger.

I recall people here thinking we should've tagged him two years in a row, which I recall people saying would ultimately save us money and mitigate some risk in giving a long-term deal to an aging RB. Hindsight obviously suggests this would've been a great idea, but whatever. It's over now.

I was never fond of extending Rice but I understood the decision.