Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[Purple Punishment]

1996 - Ogden @ 4

1997 - Peter Boulware @ 4

1998 - Duane Starks(?) @ 10

1999 - Chris McAlister @ 10

2000 - Jamal Lewis @ 5 & Travis Taylor(?) @ 10

2003 - Suggs @ 10

2006 - Ngata @ 12

That's the point I've been trying to make. Oz is golden in the top of drafts. He will get Bosa for us and the world will be right!

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Another spoiled fan that feels winning is an entitlement.

 

I haven't liked Ozzie's approach of picking up free agent secondary scrubs every year. The lack of drafting WR/CB/SS/FS in the lower rounds for years is why we're having problems.

 

Why aren't guys like Brooks allowed to develope over other teams' scrubs for playing time? Ozzie only drafted a WR when it was a serious problem. Besides this year we've drafted a WR, Torrey Smith in the lower rounds, and I can't remember another one in the last 7 years.  

Edited October 13, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[TDubbs]

That's the point I've been trying to make. Oz is golden in the top of drafts. He will get Bosa for us and the world will be right!

 

I'd agree. I mean look at the last time he took a crack at the top 20, we got Mosley who will be a perennial All-Pro. Its just that time in the franchise where we need a new blue chip talent to spark the franchise. 

[rmcjacket23]

Another spoiled fan that can't get over losing.

 

I haven't liked Ozzie's approach of picking up free agent secondary scrubs every year. The lack of drafting WR/CB/SS/FS in the lower rounds for years is why we're having problems.

 

Why aren't guys like Brooks allowed to develope over other teams' scrubs for playing time? Ozzie only drafted a WR when it was a serious problem. Besides this year we've drafted a WR, Torrey Smith in the lower rounds, and I can't remember another one in the last 7 years.  

Just so we can put this myth to bed...

 

Since 2008 (Harbaugh era), Ravens have selected 67 players in the draft:

 

10 WRs, 5 Safeties, 6 Corners. Of those 21 guys taken, 7 of them were taken in the first three rounds of the draft.

 

We've had six first round picks during that period, and 50% of those picks (3 players) have been a WR, safety, or corner (Jimmy, Perriman, Elam).

 

We've ATTEMPTED to address the issue via the draft. We just haven't been overly successful with some of those picks.

[PurpleCity5]

I believe we whiffed on the wrong guys. I honestly think we should have bet on Gilmore, he looks to be a beast. Not saying anything against Maxx Williams, its difficult to play TE as a rookie but man Gilmore and Boyle look good, if Pitta returns(unlikely) then what role with Williams have? Id like to see him play better, Boyle has kinda been more impressive IMK.

We also whiffed on betting on Chykie Brown and Asa when we should have stuck with Corey Graham.

We bet on Ricky Wagner stepping up as a RT, and it paid off.

Point blank, Oz has bet on the right times, but for every guy he gets right, he messed up with two others. I don't like that idea anymore. Lets fill in as many needs as possible, if someone else steps up then hey, more depth.

Edited October 12, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Guest]

Is it time that we put his feet to the fire?

How much is he to blame for the mess this year? Or the front office in general?

Year after year the Ravens usually get away with letting a key group of guys go in the off-season...it seems this year it finally caught up to us.

What area would yall like to see Ozzie/Front office focus on more in the future?

 

I'm over it.

 

Let Bisciotti decide. I'm not abandoning the Ravens and am gonna root for them regardless.

 

Decided when I saw a woman in downstate Illinois in full Raven's regalia.  I asked her what she thought of the team.  She said she wasn't happy, but that she was a Raven's fan. 

 

Belatedly, that's how I feel.

[Guest]

I'd agree. I mean look at the last time he took a crack at the top 20, we got Mosley who will be a perennial All-Pro. Its just that time in the franchise where we need a new blue chip talent to spark the franchise. 

 

I like Mosley, but a fan can't be content with his coverage skills. 

 

Ray Lewis covered better until his very last year.

[Guest]

Lets not kid ourselves, after losing to the Browns, every thread in RT is entertainment at its finest

 

Not just losing to the Browns....Scoring 30 points doing so, (Dang that Tucker miss and Two Point miss were huge), but allowing them to pass for a Franchise Record 457 yards.

 

Now I know McCown is vastly underrated.  That is a fact, but with the exception of an aging Peyton Manning and man did he look as old as our GM yesterday, the other QB's we have played have had Season Highs against our secondary.

 

The play this week is take the QB of the San Francisco 49ers in your Fantasy League.  Is Bisciotti embarrassed yet?

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Just so we can put this myth to bed...

 

Since 2008 (Harbaugh era), Ravens have selected 67 players in the draft:

 

10 WRs, 5 Safeties, 6 Corners. Of those 21 guys taken, 7 of them were taken in the first three rounds of the draft.

 

We've had six first round picks during that period, and 50% of those picks (3 players) have been a WR, safety, or corner (Jimmy, Perriman, Elam).

 

We've ATTEMPTED to address the issue via the draft. We just haven't been overly successful with some of those picks.

I specifically said the "lower rounds."  I don't care if we've drafted a bunch of guys like Doss, Streeter, Marlon Brown, Campanaro in the later rounds. That's not enough.

 

This is Jimmy Smith's fifth season, and Elam never lived up to anything. That's not enough drafting in the lower rounds in a huge gap of time. 

[rmcjacket23]

I specifically said the "lower rounds."  I don't care if we've drafted a bunch of guys like Doss, Streeter, Marlon Brown, Campanaro in the later rounds. That's not enough.

 

This is Jimmy Smith's fifth season, and Elam never lived up to anything. That's not enough drafting in the lower rounds in a huge gap of time. 

Its 7 out of 27 players in the first three rounds (roughly 25%).

 

Given that there's about a dozen or so positions you could take in the draft, I certainly don't think its an unreasonable number.

[redrum52]

Its 7 out of 27 players in the first three rounds (roughly 25%).

Given that there's about a dozen or so positions you could take in the draft, I certainly don't think its an unreasonable number.

Aren't most of the Steelers starters from the 3rd round up? The talent is there, we're just not good at finding it.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Its 7 out of 27 players in the first three rounds (roughly 25%).

 

Given that there's about a dozen or so positions you could take in the draft, I certainly don't think its an unreasonable number.

4 WR's drafted in first 3 rounds since 2005. That's pathetic.

 

Mark Clayton

Yamon Figurs

Torrey Smith

Breshad Perriman

Edited October 13, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[redrum52]

WR's we've drafted in first 3 rounds since 2005. It's pathetic.

Yamon Figures

Mark Clayton

Torrey Smith

Breshad Perriman

We have no idea in what we have in Perriman and Torrey wasn't bad. Funny how people bad mouthed him when he was here. Remember, he was the reason Joe threw all those picks...

In that same span we've picked up WRS which has worked out much better than trying to draft a position we don't seem to scout or develop well. Not for nothing, but when Clayton went to the Rams, he didn't look too bad until he was injured.

Edited October 12, 2015 by redrum52

[SomeCreepinaVan]

We have no idea in what we have in Perriman and Torrey wasn't bad. Funny how people bad mouthed him when he was here. Remember, he was the reason Joe threw all those picks...

In that same span we've picked up WRS which has worked out much better than trying to draft a position we don't seem to scout or develop well. Not for nothing, but when Clayton went to the Rams, he didn't look too bad until he was injured.

I was refering to the tiny amount of WR's we've selected in the first 3 rounds since 2005, not the players.

[redrum52]

I was refering to the tiny amount of WR's we've selected in the first 3 rounds since 2005, not the players.

If you're not good at it, going the FA or trade route is better than wasting the pick. That's how we got Mason, Boldin and SSS. Good bargains with great production.

[rmcjacket23]

4 WR's drafted in first 3 rounds since 2005. That's pathetic.

 

Yamon Figures

Mark Clayton

Torrey Smith

Breshad Perriman

Is it really though? That's one WR taken every 2-3 years. That's pretty frequently, considering on average you'd have like 10 picks over a 2-3 year span in that range to begin with.

 

The reason it SEEMS pathetic is because the first two completely flamed out. It'd actually be more pathetic if you had to take a WR in the first three rounds every other year. That would tell you that the one's you are drafting aren't panning out.

[Tru11]

Is it really though? That's one WR taken every 2-3 years. That's pretty frequently, considering on average you'd have like 10 picks over a 2-3 year span in that range to begin with.

 

The reason it SEEMS pathetic is because the first two completely flamed out. It'd actually be more pathetic if you had to take a WR in the first three rounds every other year. That would tell you that the one's you are drafting aren't panning out.

 

they want us to be like the lions and draft wrs every year in the 1st and hope 1 ends up like megatron....

[FlackAttack]

ozzie rolls the dice every offseason. he was winning for a while there then got too hot, burnt out, and now the house (being the rest of the league) is winning.

 

funny though how "ravens fans" were calling ozzie a genius and kissing the ground he walked on for the past 10-15 years (specifically remember this after signing arrington for the most recent example), and now because we have a losing season people are saying hes a bum and needs to be fired. it amazes me. as i always say, ravens fans are the most spoiled in the NFL and are notorious for knee jerk reactions.

[curtis0360]

That's the point I've been trying to make. Oz is golden in the top of drafts. He will get Bosa for us and the world will be right!

or ramsay one of the two

[curtis0360]

I like Mosley, but a fan can't be content with his coverage skills. 

 

Ray Lewis covered better until his very last year.

Mosley covers pretty well ,hardly anything gets past him, he just had a bad game. 

[Raving_Heathen]

It's incredibly improbable that replacing Ozzie will result in a better quality team.  Period.  

 

This is the bottom line. He's still one of the tops GMs, and he's not going anywhere for a while nor should he... If anything, hopefully his recent misses gives him motivation to become even better at what he does.

[Static]

McPhee Is looking like a DPOY candidate. Another Mismanagement.

Oh well. Peas probably would have put him in coverage anyways.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

they want us to be like the lions and draft wrs every year in the 1st and hope 1 ends up like megatron....

Oh yeah take it to the extreme. From 2007 until 2011 there were no WR's selected in the first 3 rounds by us. There has been one selected since 2011. That's incredibly low.

 

Since 1999 we've only drafted 2 CBs in the first 3 rounds, Webb and Jimmy Smith. Not drafting another one in 4 years is a problem for this team now.

Edited October 13, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[Bmoreazfan]

This is what I think needs to happen

 

1. We need to take a serious look at the wild card situation right now and consider tanking the rest of the season for a top draft pick based on the analyzes.

 

2. Its obvious this zone Defense strategy Pees is using has failed miserably we need to start shopping DC's and when the time is right make a move.

 

3.Ozzie really needs to consider passing the torch off to Decosta after this season. We all know the reason Eric has stuck around is because he believed the time would come when he would be the GM. The last couple years we have only done average at best in the draft along with the bone headed moves signing Pitta to a long term contract after a serious injury. On top of that Ray Rice was never a great contract move and most of us have known that since the signing (before his incident) how many running backs has New England paid an arm and a leg for? Don't give running backs huge long term contracts everyone has always known that. I can name plenty of other huge mistakes the front office made but why go on I am a huge Ozzie fan and simply think its time to move in a new direction.

 

4. Get rid of some of these useless veterans we have signed to anyone that will take some of the salary burden with them. Monroe and Webb just to name a few are not the future of this team and are not the caliber players we want on this team.

 

5. Use this excellent draft pick we will have as insurance if Joe will no restructure and maybe pick up a veteran to hold us over until he matures if needed. Not saying get rid of Joe but we all know we need to if he does not restructure. Manning has been able to carry his team when they were complete garbage but although I know Joe is an excellent QB hes not worth keeping if he will not restructure.

 

6 Trade Steve Smith off to a real team that can play. I think the Ravens are going to be no where near as desirable  for veteran free agents to come to after this horrible season. Make a good gesture move and show the players what kind of an organization we are when we suck this bad. That should keep them wanting to come here

 

All is not lost if we make some critical moves we can be back in the playoff race next year. I know the owner is going to make some of these moves I mentioned and I am banking on Ozzie retiring this year. I am going to miss him but I know its for the best

 

PS Fire Pees

[kassaiscool]

Ozzie is a great GM, but he has been whiffing in the draft recently for whatever reason. One thing that gets under my skin during the draft is he sometimes sits on his hands too much. Its almost arrogant at times like he gets a high from a player dropping into his lap without him making a move. Example when we were one pick ahead of the broncos and they Jumped us to get D.Thomas. Another year we were one pick away from Dez Bryant and the Cowboys jumped us and got him. Ozzie jumps teams in the draft for players in the middle rounds instead of in the first round. That's part of the reason we don't have many impact players on our current roster that were drafted.

[Purple Punishment]

McPhee Is looking like a DPOY candidate. Another Mismanagement.

Oh well. Peas probably would have put him in coverage anyways.

We couldn't afford Pernell....

[Purple Punishment]

Ozzie is a great GM, but he has been whiffing in the draft recently for whatever reason. One thing that gets under my skin during the draft is he sometimes sits on his hands too much. Its almost arrogant at times like he gets a high from a player dropping into his lap without him making a move. Example when we were one pick ahead of the broncos and they Jumped us to get D.Thomas. Another year we were one pick away from Dez Bryant and the Cowboys jumped us and got him. Ozzie jumps teams in the draft for players in the middle rounds instead of in the first round. That's part of the reason we don't have many impact players on our current roster that were drafted.

He jumped for Art Brown and got zero return out of that. Elam was a monster mistake

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I've heard enough about how "The Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz" tried to fix the problem in the off-season. I don't give master auto mechanics or master plumbers or master electricians another job when they try to fix my car or my plumbing but fail. I give them an "A" for effort but an "F" for failing. Then I go looking for someone who will fix my plumbing leak and ,believe me, something is leaking here. Its time for a change but the solution is not to be found in Eric DeCosta or Vincent Newsome IMO. The most embarrassed person in the organization had to be Ozzie Newsome if it wasn't Steve Bischiotti. On a day when Lenny Moore, Gino Marchetti and Raymond Berry were in the house and were presented with their rings of fame, Ozzie's recruits gave up 505 yards to a journeyman QB and committed 12 stupid penalties giving up 98 more yards to the team for which he once played. In hindsight, he should have gone out on top and retired after the SB. Now, this wizard of old is becoming just a ROAD wizard, that is, Retired On Active Duty. Turn out the lights; the party's over, Oz!

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

This is my new favorite thread. Entertainment at its finest.

More like chronic headaches....

 

We're young people. This is how some young teams fluctuate. 

 

Looking forward, Ozzie has given us something to build on:

Flacco just entering his prime years.

3 young TEs who look like they can succeed

2 (or 3) young RBs with potential to succeed

2 (or 3) young WRs who could be solid

Several young defensive players to rebuild around.

The truth is we're rebuilding/reloading on the fly. It takes a few years to accomplish all that needed to be done. This year may be painful, but Ozzie is still doing all that is possible with our limited cap.

Thank you!!! A series of valid points. We're retooling. We need to retool the pass rush before we get back to good. Adding a corner and another WR, and another MLB is all doable. 

 

May not be our year. But Ozzie is not going anywhere. Sorry people. 

 

And as for those "fire him after one year".. There is a franchise in the NFL that does this... It's called the Cleveland Browns. Ironic since they just beat us, but it's true. Even though we're in the midst of a crappy season I can guarantee they wish Ozzie was their GM rather then... 

 

My point exactly. 

[January J]

More like chronic headaches....

 

We're young people. This is how some young teams fluctuate. 

 

Thank you!!! A series of valid points. We're retooling. We need to retool the pass rush before we get back to good. Adding a corner and another WR, and another MLB is all doable. 

 

May not be our year. But Ozzie is not going anywhere. Sorry people. 

 

And as for those "fire him after one year".. There is a franchise in the NFL that does this... It's called the Cleveland Browns. Ironic since they just beat us, but it's true. Even though we're in the midst of a crappy season I can guarantee they wish Ozzie was their GM rather then... 

 

My point exactly.

at least there's a few rational fans left. Love the sig btw. Hit the nail on the head.