Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[I AM LEGEND]

Reading comprehension is obviously bad on this board...as not once did "fire Ozzie" get stated in the opening post.....but yet we've had numerous posters crying "why do people want Ozzie gone"

Holding Ozzie more accountable is completely different then firing him.

Calm down people and read

[I AM LEGEND]

Looking forward, Ozzie has given us something to build on:

Flacco just entering his prime years.

3 young TEs who look like they can succeed

2 (or 3) young RBs with potential to succeed

2 (or 3) young WRs who could be solid

Several young defensive players to rebuild around.

The truth is we're rebuilding/reloading on the fly. It takes a few years to accomplish all that needed to be done. This year may be painful, but Ozzie is still doing all that is possible with our limited cap.

Ahhhhh I kinda agree with the premise....but I wouldn't be able to bank on anyone going forward on this offense outside of Flacco/yanda and maybe K.O. who I also think gets a tad overrated.

Outside of that,I wouldn't lose one minute of sleep if any others were let go 2morrow.

[rmw10]

This is my new favorite thread. Entertainment at its finest.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Ozzie deserves blame for drafting/relying on too many players with injury histories and/or who are on the wrong side of 30.

 

Yes, our cap has something to do with that, but some of our problems there are also on the FO.

And his neglect of our WRs & DBs who can cover & pass rushers in the draft have really come back to bite us now.

You're supposed to draft at least 2 of those 3 in the first 3 rounds in almost every year.

Instead we grab Cody, Upshaw, and Elam in the first and second rounds--who are all run defenders, not pass defenders. (also Williams in the 3rd round, but he was a steal there).

Yes, he finally wised up and drafted a WR and pass rushers early in the past 2 drafts. And if those players develop, we will see dividends from them.

Just not this season.

[gtalk12]

Please stop. Ozzie doesn't control injuries or garbage game-planning. Williams is a bust? Good lord, we're all upset but that's flat out ridiculous.

 

 

TE's typically don't perform that well their first year......but what do I know

[I AM LEGEND]

I think Ozzie is at his best when he's building a balanced team with money to spend in all areas...

The fact is that since Flacco signed his deal...regardless of how much the cap hit was for that year..Ozzie has had to be cognitive of not overspending due to future salary cap implications. Ozzie is now facing the problem that many GMs face...how to build around a QB making alot of money..

[gtalk12]

Ozzie deserves blame for drafting/relying on too many players with injury histories and/or who are on the wrong side of 30.

 

Yes, our cap has something to do with that, but some of our problems there are also on the FO.

And his neglect of our WRs & DBs who can cover & pass rushers in the draft have really come back to bite us now.

You're supposed to draft at least 2 of those 3 in the first 3 rounds in almost every year.

Instead we grab Cody, Upshaw, and Elam in the first and second rounds--who are all run defenders, not pass defenders. (also Williams in the 3rd round, but he was a steal there).

Yes, he finally wised up and drafted a WR and pass rushers early in the past 2 drafts. And if those players develop, we will see dividends from them.

Just not this season.

 

Blame Ozzie? Really? Let's blame him for how soft our defense is...for playing 8+ yards off a WR. For having an extremely thin Cb's group last year due to injury.

 

Give me a break. Webb was OUR draft, Jimmy DRAFTED, both were great and nobody complained about them, INJURIES happened and neither you or I can predict that. Same goes for Perriman. It happens and we have been on the wrong side of the injury bug. PERIOD.

 

Pitta has been out for 2 years now, had it not been for that then guess what? now we have a playmaker on the field.

 

We have been drafting well, that's not the issue.

[polynesian15]

I want to say tank, but damn it, SSS can't go out like that. There's nothing he can or should do now. Just have to let the dumpster fire burn.

True, this is a very sad situation. Maybe he'll reconsider coming back for the last year of his contract, if next season some way somehow looks more promising.

[Drew P]

Kindle was a tragic case. Nobody could predict that. Ed Dickson looked like a good prospect but amounted to nothing no matter where he went. Cody was just a blind pick IMO due to his Alabama connection, same with Upshaw. I've never been a big fan of Upshaw, but his play lately has me upset. I hoped for better from him in his final year. 

 

I don't know where to start, honestly. The team has major issues, but I actually think the offense is the star of the team atm. I do think this could change with another coordinator, hence why I feel like Ozzie & John should be the least of anyone's concerns. Try to correct the issue with a new coordinator before removing two proven guys. 

 

Elam's a tragic case

[polynesian15]

I think Ozzie is at his best when he's building a balanced team with money to spend in all areas...

The fact is that since Flacco signed his deal...regardless of how much the cap hit was for that year..Ozzie has had to be cognitive of not overspending due to future salary cap implications. Ozzie is now facing the problem that many GMs face...how to build around a QB making alot of money..

I know Flacco played at a terrific level during the SB run, but I sincerely hope he takes a cut this offseason. It should be obvious to him by now that his huge hit is constricting this team somewhat, and hopefully he hates losing like they've been doing so far this season. That might be the impetus for him to take a cut, we'll see I guess.

[rmcjacket23]

Reading comprehension is obviously bad on this board...as not once did "fire Ozzie" get stated in the opening post.....but yet we've had numerous posters crying "why do people want Ozzie gone"

Holding Ozzie more accountable is completely different then firing him.

Calm down people and read

How exactly do you hold him accountable without firing him or stripping him of certain aspects of his job?

 

Keep in mind that questioning his personnel decisions on a fanboard doesn't even remotely qualify as holding him accountable.

[I AM LEGEND]

What can Ozzie get for a 35 year old 12 game rental lol?

[polynesian15]

Elam's a tragic case

True, but he might also have been grossly misused? His lack of tackling ability has been a head scratcher though.

[rmcjacket23]

I know Flacco played at a terrific level during the SB run, but I sincerely hope he takes a cut this offseason. It should be obvious to him by now that his huge hit is constricting this team somewhat, and hopefully he hates losing like they've been doing so far this season. That might be the impetus for him to take a cut, we'll see I guess.

I suggest you research what his salary cap hit has been the last three years and how it compares to other NFL QBs.

 

Note that his cap hit has been under $15M for the duration of his career thus far in Baltimore, and that's WELL below market value for a QB like him.

 

There simply isn't any evidence to suggest Flacco's cap number is detrimental to this team.

 

He's not taking a cut, nor should he. He will likely sign a deal in a similar range or more than what he's getting now. And he's completely earned that.

Edited October 12, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[I AM LEGEND]

How exactly do you hold him accountable without firing him or stripping him of certain aspects of his job?

Keep in mind that questioning his personnel decisions on a fanboard doesn't even remotely qualify as holding him accountable.

Easy.u stop blaming everyone around him as much as we are and start to focus on him alittle. We've now heard it's the offensive coordinator...it's the defensive coordinator...we've heard it's the players and head coach...we've managed to blame Ray Rice we've even blamed it on the almighty figurative injury bug...but God forbid we blame the guy who's job it is to put the team together lol.

And once again...holding someone accountable doesn't mean asking for them to be fired. So the biggest question still remains...how did one come to that conclusion that that's what this thread was about?

[I AM LEGEND]

I suggest you research what his salary cap hit has been the last three years and how it compares to other NFL QBs.

Note that his cap hit has been under $15M for the duration of his career thus far in Baltimore, and that's WELL below market value for a QB like him.

There simply isn't any evidence to suggest Flacco's cap number is detrimental to this team.

He's not taking a cut, nor should he. He will likely sign a deal in a similar range or more than what he's getting now. And he's completely earned that.

Like I stated it's not about that one year cap hit...it's looking down the road and saying we can't sign this free agent to anything too long term because as things stand Joe is scheduled to make so and so amount of dollars 2 or 3 years from now.

[rmcjacket23]

Easy.u stop blaming everyone around him as much as we are and start to focus on him alittle. We've now heard it's the offensive coordinator...it's the defensive coordinator...we've heard it's the players and head coach...we've managed to blame Ray Rice we've even blamed it on the almighty figurative injury bug...but God forbid we blame the guy who's job it is to put the team together lol.

And once again...holding someone accountable doesn't mean asking for them to be fired. So the biggest question still remains...how did one come to that conclusion that that's what this thread was about?

Because again, having fanboard guys passing blame around when they may or may not have any idea what they're talking about doesn't even remotely qualify as holding somebody accountable.

 

I guarantee Ozzie doesn't read these forums, and I certainly guarantee he isn't coming in here for input into personnel decisions (and for obvious reasons he shouldn't).

 

Fans can focus blame on whoever they want, but it doesn't matter. If the FO listened to fans and did what they wanted, we'd be the laughing stock of the NFL and we couldn't find a coach to be on this team, because fans would have fired them all.

 

We wanted Castillo out after like a month, we wanted personnel benched after a half, and now we have nowhere else to look because mostly everyone is playing poorly.

[rmcjacket23]

Like I stated it's not about that one year cap hit...it's looking down the road and saying we can't sign this free agent to anything too long term because as things stand Joe is scheduled to make so and so amount of dollars 2 or 3 years from now.

OK, so whats the alternative?

 

You ask Joe to take a paycut and he says no? Then what do you do?

 

If you look around the league, there's a lot of teams that don't seem to have a big problem winning games with big QB salary cap hits.

 

Its ignoring the main problem.

[52520Andrew]

This is my new favorite thread. Entertainment at its finest.

Lets not kid ourselves, after losing to the Browns, every thread in RT is entertainment at its finest

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Blame Ozzie? Really? Let's blame him for how soft our defense is...for playing 8+ yards off a WR. For having an extremely thin Cb's group last year due to injury.

 

Give me a break. Webb was OUR draft, Jimmy DRAFTED, both were great and nobody complained about them, INJURIES happened and neither you or I can predict that. Same goes for Perriman. It happens and we have been on the wrong side of the injury bug. PERIOD.

 

Pitta has been out for 2 years now, had it not been for that then guess what? now we have a playmaker on the field.

 

We have been drafting well, that's not the issue.

 

Nobody's blamng Ozzie for Pees' failures or for how snakebit our WRs and DBs have been recently.

However, for several drafts we only drafted well in the later rounds.

And Ozzie seems to have wised up as he made the right choices in the last 2 drafts.

Hopefully, next time, he drafts 2 of 3 among either an edge rusher, CB/coverage safety, or WR in the first 3 rounds, and continues to do so in almost every draft from now on.

I'm not saying he should be fired or retire or anything outlandish, but yes, for awhile there he was messing up with the early rounds--or are you really going to argue that prior to Breshad's' selection that WR had not been severely neglected?

[52520Andrew]

If you look around the league, there's a lot of teams that don't seem to have a big problem winning games with big QB salary cap hits.

Yeah another team would take Flacco in a second

How big is Dalton's cap hit this year out of curiosity?

[I AM LEGEND]

Because again, having fanboard guys passing blame around when they may or may not have any idea what they're talking about doesn't even remotely qualify as holding somebody accountable.

I guarantee Ozzie doesn't read these forums, and I certainly guarantee he isn't coming in here for input into personnel decisions (and for obvious reasons he shouldn't).

Fans can focus blame on whoever they want, but it doesn't matter. If the FO listened to fans and did what they wanted, we'd be the laughing stock of the NFL and we couldn't find a coach to be on this team, because fans would have fired them all.

We wanted Castillo out after like a month, we wanted personnel benched after a half, and now we have nowhere else to look because mostly everyone is playing poorly.

So basically we can blame everyone but Ozzie. Gotcha.

[52520Andrew]

Kindle was a tragic case. Nobody could predict that. Ed Dickson looked like a good prospect but amounted to nothing no matter where he went. Cody was just a blind pick IMO due to his Alabama connection, same with Upshaw. I've never been a big fan of Upshaw, but his play lately has me upset. I hoped for better from him in his final year.

I don't know where to start, honestly. The team has major issues, but I actually think the offense is the star of the team atm. I do think this could change with another coordinator, hence why I feel like Ozzie & John should be the least of anyone's concerns. Try to correct the issue with a new coordinator before removing two proven guys.

Yeah the Bengals have had their share of losing seasons and yet Lewis is still there. Stability is the name of the game. Heck they got as good as they have by using our main strategy of developing players through the draft, they have just been higher recently and been able to get better players.

Yeah it is just tough really, I mean every team has misses but you gotta keep making the picks in order to stay competitive or it will catch up to you. 7 non losing seasons in a row is something we should be very proud of because it is hard.

Edited October 12, 2015 by 52520Andrew

[rmcjacket23]

So basically we can blame everyone but Ozzie. Gotcha.

You can blame whoever you want in order to make yourself feel better.

 

I tend to blame people's who's jobs it is to play well (aka the players), and people who actually might be held accountable in some form or fashion to begin with.

[rmcjacket23]

Yeah another team would take Flacco in a second

How big is Dalton's cap hit this year out of curiosity?

Not big. Published this list on another thread I believe though:

 

Romo (injured), Roethlisberger (injured), Cutler, Stafford, Alex Smith, and Kaepernick all have bigger cap hits in 2015 than Flacco.

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah the Bengals have had their share of losing seasons and yet Lewis is still there. Stability is the name of the game.

Yeah it is just tough really, I mean every team has misses but you gotta keep making the picks in order to stay competitive or it will catch up to you. 7 non losing seasons in a row is something we should be very proud of because it is hard.

Tbh Marvin Lewis is a great GM. Man knows how to build a roster and a great evaluator of talent. Thats pretty much the biggest reason why he's there. If he gets fired as a HC, I wouldn't he suprised if he becomes a GM.

[jimmypowder]

One of my biggest beefs with Ozzie and the Front office this year is the WR situation..

These guys sat down and decided that a WR entering his late 30s/an unproven rookie with droppies/and some other unproven wrs were gonna get the job done. Unacceptable.

This is the most succinct statement about an huge error in judgement by the Front Office ive seen yet. 

[jimmypowder]

They did the same with the secondary last year.

[rmcjacket23]

One of my biggest beefs with Ozzie and the Front office this year is the WR situation..

These guys sat down and decided that a WR entering his late 30s/an unproven rookie with droppies/and some other unproven wrs were gonna get the job done. Unacceptable.

In many ways though, he ironically did PRECISELY what the majority of the fanbase wanted. All offseason all I heard on these boards was how we should let the young guys play and how we never give our young guys a chance to develop and how all we do is sign veterans and never grow talent.

 

2015 is a product of that vision. Fans kind of earned this one. While I was never a fan of the core we have now, I realized a long time ago that trying to shovel past-prime WRs out there on an annual basis to mask the problem doesn't solve anything in the long run.

[Static]

how to build around a QB making alot of money..

Because the Bengal and Falcons and Broncos are all really struggling right now.