Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[ravensdan]

lol Sorry. Ah, I see. I don't know why, but I don't feel much animosity towards the Browns. Definitely makes sense if you dislike them though.

The whole reason I became a Ravens fan. Moving to Baltimore in 96 and 1. Hearing from the entire national media how the greatest fans were in Cleveland their team was stolen. Blah blah. Even though they wouldn't pay for a new stadium while the ancient one was falling apart. But I digress. The passion for football and the team in Baltimore was awesome. My family is from Cincinnat which the attitude is apathy and pessimism. Another thing that's hard to read from Baltimore fans I'd hoped were better than that. Which I think on the whole they are.

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The whole reason I became a Ravens fan. Moving to Baltimore in 96 and 1. Hearing from the entire national media how the greatest fans were in Cleveland their team was stolen. Blah blah. Even though they wouldn't pay for a new stadium while the ancient one was falling apart. But I digress. The passion for football and the team in Baltimore was awesome. My family is from Cincinnat which the attitude is apathy and pessimism. Another thing that's hard to read from Baltimore fans I'd hoped were better than that. Which I think on the whole they are.

Those definitely do sound like trying times, far more than mine as far as the history goes. I can fully appreciate your disdain after being made aware of the circumstances. I fortunately didn't have much experience with having to grit my teeth through those comments as I was still living overseas at the time.

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I don't know about that.

We both have our opinions.

[OldToby]

I Put together a list of players that were picked after our selections in our last 2 draft. This should give everyone a better look at how our front office has been drafting.

Edited October 24, 2015 by OldToby

[OldToby]

2013 draft possibilities

1st Rd:matt elam(32)BAD

Darius slay (CB, Lions) (37)

Tank carradine (DE, 49ers) (40)

Robert woods (WR, Bills) (41)

Kiko alonso (OLB, eagles) (46)

Margus hunt (END, bengals) (53)

2nd Rd:arthur brown(56)BAD

Aaron dobson (WR, patriots) (59)

Eddie lacy (RB, Packers) (61)

Larry warford (G, lions) (65)

Tyrann mathieu (S, Cardinals) (69)

Keenan allen (WR, Chargers) (76)

3rd Rd: brandon williams(94) GOOD

4th rd: kyle juszczyk (130) GOOD

5th rd: ryan wagner (168) GOOD

6th rd ryan jenson (203) Depth

7th rd aaron mellette (233) Depth

[OldToby]

2014 draft possibilities

1st Rd: CJ Mosley (17) GOOD*

Haha Clinton Dix (S, Packers) (21)

Jason verrett (CB, Chargers) (25)

Kelvin Benjamin (WR, panthers) (28)

Bradley Roby (CB, Broncos) (31)

Austin sefarian-jenkins (TE, Buccaneers) (38)

Jordan Matthews (WR, Eagles) (42)

Stephon Tuitt (End, Steelers) (46)

2nd Rd: Timmy jernigan(48) DECENT

Davantae adams (WR, Packers) (53)

Jeremy Hill (RB, bengals) (55)

Carlos Hyde (RB, 49ers) (57)

Allen Robinson (WR, Jaguars) (61)

3rd Rd: terrence brooks (79) DEPTH

Donte Moncrief (WR, Colts) (90)

John brown (WR, Cardinals) (91)

Jerick Mckinnon (RB, vikings) (96)

3rd Rd: Crocket Gilmore (99) GOOD*

Martavis Bryant (Wr, Steelers) (118)

Tre boston (S, Rams) (128)

Kevin pierre-louis(Olb, Seahawks) (132)

4th Rd: brent urban(134) Depth

4th Rd:Lorenzo taliaferro(138)Depth

Bene benwikere (Cb, Panthers) (148)

Aaron lynch (OLB, 49ers) (150)

Corey linsley (C, Packers) (161)

5th Rd: john Urschel (175) DECENT

Alfred blue (RB, texans) (181)

Anton Exum (S) (182)

7th Rd: Michael Campnaro (218) DECENT

[Winchester]

2014 draft possibilities

1st Rd: CJ Mosley (17) GOOD*

Haha Clinton Dix (S, Packers) (21)

Jason verrett (CB, Chargers) (25)

Kelvin Benjamin (WR, panthers) (28)

Bradley Roby (CB, Broncos) (31)

Austin sefarian-jenkins (TE, Buccaneers) (38)

Jordan Matthews (WR, Eagles) (42)

Stephon Tuitt (End, Steelers) (46)

2nd Rd: Timmy jernigan(48) DECENT

Davantae adams (WR, Packers) (53)

Jeremy Hill (RB, bengals) (55)

Carlos Hyde (RB, 49ers) (57)

Allen Robinson (WR, Jaguars) (61)

3rd Rd: terrence brooks (79) DEPTH

Donte Moncrief (WR, Colts) (90)

John brown (WR, Cardinals) (91)

Jerick Mckinnon (RB, vikings) (96)

3rd Rd: Crocket Gilmore (99) GOOD*

Martavis Bryant (Wr, Steelers) (118)

Tre boston (S, Rams) (128)

Kevin pierre-louis(Olb, Seahawks) (132)

4th Rd: brent urban(134) Depth

4th Rd:Lorenzo taliaferro(138)Depth

Bene benwikere (Cb, Panthers) (148)

Aaron lynch (OLB, 49ers) (150)

Corey linsley (C, Packers) (161)

5th Rd: john Urschel (175) DECENT

Alfred blue (RB, texans) (181)

Anton Exum (S) (182)

7th Rd: Michael Campnaro (218) DECENT

And that just scratches the surface of players that were available. Wagner I like and root for but is having a terrible year. Juice is a fan favorite but he is just a fb, complimentary player and he likely would have been there in round 6. Overlooking mettenberger as a backup was a huge mistake!! and he will show that this week. And I would call Gilmore decent. He will never be a pro bowler. If he were good the fo would not have traded up for fat maxx. Campanaro I would call good if he could stay on the field. He is similar to Randall Cobb. A faster version of Julian edelman with more outside athleticism and ball skills. He has legit above average speed to gain separation. He ran a computer timed 4.38. But he can not stay on the field. Edited October 24, 2015 by Winchester

[thieverycorporation]

After years of neglect and false expectations from this organization we should protest loudly at the home games. The wide receiver trend has been widely covered by pendents, media and it's fan base. Ozzie seemingly believes the hype generated by this fan base. The crown bestowed on his head is hyped so much that we blindly follow during the pre season. Even after all the mis-cues regarding personnel issues. Receiver and cornerback where obvious neglected needs going into the season and has existed (imo) way too long. If you can't count the botched acquisition of free agents and draft picks, you must not have any breathe in your body. I believe instead of booing a bad play or penalty we should be giving the organization a taste of our displeasure and whole heartedly express to them we know more then they think we do. It's okay to play poker(sort of speak) with 7 picks but if you have a bunch low cards how can you think your going to win. Bluffing in the NFLgets you a 1-6 record. Even your chips will be depleted. John's right!  We aren't in their shoe's. And nobody in the NFL record wise is either. So before you chug that beer. Say loudly. We need 2-3 receivers and 2-3 cornerbacks/defensive. We're tired of the rummage sale prices. If we keep saying something Biscoitti will have to listen. If the ship doesn't sail smoothly then we should move on from Ozzie's total control or period. New blood in the transfusion may be required. It should be a concerted effort. But peaceful. Pick a series of play, standup and say loudly We need a few true difference maker's and not just lineman. 

Edited October 27, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[usmccharles]

After years of neglect and false expectations from this organization we should protest loudly at the home games. The wide receiver trend has been widely covered by pendents, media and it's fan base. Ozzie seemingly believes the hype generated by this fan base. The crown bestowed  on his head is hyped so much that we blindly follow during the pre season. Even after all the mis-cues regarding personnel issues. Receiver and cornerback where obvious neglected needs going into the season and has existed (imo) way too long. If you can't count the botched acquisition of free agents and draft picks, you must not have any breathe in your body. I believe instead of booing a bad play or penalty we should be giving the organization a taste of our displeasure and whole heartedly express to them we know more then they think we do. It's okay to play poker(sort of speak) with 7 picks but if you have a bunch low cards how can you think your going to win. Bluffing in the NFLgets you a 1-6 record. Even your chips will be depleted. John's right!  We aren't in their shoe's. And nobody in the NFL record wise is either. So before you chug that beer. Say loudly. We need 2-3 receivers and 2-3 cornerbacks/defensive. We're tired of the rummage sale prices. If we keep saying something Biscoitti will have to listen. If the ship doesn't sail smoothly the we should move on from Ozzie's total control or period. New blood in the transfusion may be required. It should be a concerted effort. But peaceful. Pick a series of play standup and We need a few true difference maker's and not just lineman. 

We had Jimmy and Webb coming back from injuries this year and was supposed to be healthy, i dont think anyone here thought they would be as bad as they have been. 

 

Following blindly doesnt really tell the full story.  Oz makes a move, some here question it, some like it.  But either way we have to let things play out to actually judge a players production.  Not defending him but you cant be so quick to judge certain players or moves Oz makes.  There was a lot of people excited for our youn WRs to get a chance, obviously most thought BP would be on the field, i for one was not happy about Aiken and Brown and i now think Camp needs to move on. 

 

You have some valid points, but i still dont think moving on from Oz is the best case.  This was a rough transitional year with some bad injuries, who knows what this season would of been with suggs still around. 

[Militant X 1]

We both have our opinions.

 

Of course we do and mine still stands "true" (did you see what I did there?), especially after we've just fallen to 1-6.

[thieverycorporation]

We had Jimmy and Webb coming back from injuries this year and was supposed to be healthy, i dont think anyone here thought they would be as bad as they have been. 

 

Following blindly doesnt really tell the full story.  Oz makes a move, some here question it, some like it.  But either way we have to let things play out to actually judge a players production.  Not defending him but you cant be so quick to judge certain players or moves Oz makes.  There was a lot of people excited for our youn WRs to get a chance, obviously most thought BP would be on the field, i for one was not happy about Aiken and Brown and i now think Camp needs to move on. 

 

You have some valid points, but i still dont think moving on from Oz is the best case.  This was a rough transitional year with some bad injuries, who knows what this season would of been with suggs still around. 

Your absolutely correct about it not telling the whole story. However after the production of this teams ineffectiveness in regards to it's receiving corp would suggest the same as I've. previously mentioned. They have brought in (castle visits) numerous player prospects and either lowballed them, never signed, chose the wrong one or slept on a home-run type prospect. Even a blind man could see the value of a Diggs.  Another prospect that slipped through them fingers was honey badger himself and look at what he's done in the league. The blindside human interest story seems the mantra to this organization. I'm not looking for a great read, I'm looking for a few difference-makers to impact the team. It's amazing the loyalty that Ozzie commands. However his decisions leave allot to be desired. Over paying aging/injured players or not out maneuvering teams with equal or greater needs in the draft. Makes me personally wonder who's really evaluating the game tape. Perriman's slow healing process which was known during the draft process is another prime example. If they didn't know about it still lends credence to my comment. We are know injuries happen but there is no Receiver other then your #1 pick nursing an injury and out the gate.lol

His receiver choices haven't panned out through drafting them in years. Campanaro is anyone. Mr. injury. You may argue about the tightends but they don't have but one gear. So to me that's a too hard to miss. As long as your accept excuses. Let me tell you this one. There isn't viable one for neglect anywhere in this league.

Edited October 27, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[usmccharles]

Your absolutely correct about it not telling the whole story. However after the production of this teams ineffectiveness in regards to it's receiving corp would suggest the same as I've. previously mentioned. They have brought in (castle visits) numerous player prospects and either lowballed them, never signed, chose the wrong one or slept on a home-run type prospect. Even a blind man could see the value of a Diggs.  Another prospect that slipped through them fingers was honey badger himself and look at what he's done in the league. The blindside human interest story seems the mantra to this organization. I'm not looking for a great read, I'm looking for a few difference-makers to impact the team. It's amazing the loyalty that Ozzie commands. However his decisions leave allot to be desired. Over paying aging/injured players or not out maneuvering teams with equal or greater needs in the draft. Makes me personally wonder who's really evaluating the game tape. Perriman's slow healing process which was known during the draft process is another prime example. If they didn't know about it still lends credence to my comment. We are know injuries happen but there is no Receiver other then your #1 pick nursing an injury and out the gate.lol

His receiver choses haven't panned out through drafting them in years. Campanaro is anyone. Mr. injury. You may argue about the tightends but they don't have but one gear. So to me that's a too hard to miss. As long as your accept excuses. Let me tell you this one. There isn't viable one for neglect anywhere in this league.

Just depends how you look at things.  Nobody on this board will say Oz is good at drafting WRs and i think thats why we have always gone after veteran guys who we know what we are getting, its worked out great in the past with Boldin, Mason, SSR.  Injuries have caused us to look far deeper into the problem, i would of been very interested to see a lineup consisting of  SSR, BP, Camp paired with our TEs, that could have been a very productive group.

 

Diggs did look good and i would have liked him as a return guy, but considering we went WR then TE it would of been hard to take another WR, especially considering i really like carl davis.  Its extremely easy to judge things after we draft and see things play out. 

 

I would really like to see Oz get more agressive in going after players instead of hoarding draft picks, this has been a discussion for a bit.  Id gladly give up a 2 and a 4 for a guy like Jeffery, just for an example.  Draft picks are great, when they turn out and i know the more you have the better chance of hitting on one. 

 

The biggest failure i think we all can agree on is the inability to give Joe consistent weapons and really address that.  The SB bunch was such a great mixture of talent.  You cant just trade away our best WR without replacing him and expect things to get better.  We have always been a defensive team and even when we won the SB, that was an offensive run.  We are really missing players like Rice, Jacoby, and Torrey right now...guys who can make things happen.  We have zero of that now. 

[Winchester]

Ozzie pursues to many players out of their prime. Many of the WRs did nothing. Free agency needs to be approached like the draft. Do not look for the WR that has 12000 yards, find the next WR that is going to catch for 12000 yards. Free agency or even trades should be viewed as coached up draft picks. There are many talented players that need one or more of opportunity, coaching,scheme,motivation,structure,supporting cast to breakout. Emmanuel Sanders and Brandon Lafell are 2 examples. Sanders did not click with Ben and was not comfortable with the scheme or his role. Cam is not a rythym pocket qb that gets the ball out fast and therefore does not allow his WRs to play fast. If Brady did not already have years of chemistry with Gronk and Edelman, Lafell would have had 1300 yards or more and 10 TDs. With limited cash, the ravens need to approach free agency looking for real bargains!! The players ready to breakout. Not so called has beens. Players that need a good QB or disciplined hard working team structure and motivstion and detailed schemes. Lafell raised a mob in Carolina when he said the patsies work harder and are more detail oriented. I like Marqise Lee, Paul Richardson and Brian Quick. I know only the latter is a free agent but the other 2 WR's teams could audition trade offers. Richardson is coming off injury while his team has added other weapons already. Marqise gets minor injuries that prevents him from building any chemistry with his young QB while he is also a young player. Quick is a rare talent whose raw skills are compared to T.O. He hit some breakout games even with a terrible QB before Quick was injured. He is known for a Gronk like work ethic and runs 100 routes a day and practices adjusting to various errant throws. His hard work and rare skills were paying off before his injury. His body control and catch radius is among the best. And he runs very explosive sharp routes for his size and has surprising run after catch moves for his size. With a good QB like Joe he could pick up where he left off and be a Sanders like Bargain.

[thieverycorporation]

Just depends how you look at things.  Nobody on this board will say Oz is good at drafting WRs and i think thats why we have always gone after veteran guys who we know what we are getting, its worked out great in the past with Boldin, Mason, SSR.  Injuries have caused us to look far deeper into the problem, i would of been very interested to see a lineup consisting of  SSR, BP, Camp paired with our TEs, that could have been a very productive group.

 

Diggs did look good and i would have liked him as a return guy, but considering we went WR then TE it would of been hard to take another WR, especially considering i really like carl davis.  Its extremely easy to judge things after we draft and see things play out. 

 

I would really like to see Oz get more agressive in going after players instead of hoarding draft picks, this has been a discussion for a bit.  Id gladly give up a 2 and a 4 for a guy like Jeffery, just for an example.  Draft picks are great, when they turn out and i know the more you have the better chance of hitting on one. 

 

The biggest failure i think we all can agree on is the inability to give Joe consistent weapons and really address that.  The SB bunch was such a great mixture of talent.  You cant just trade away our best WR without replacing him and expect things to get better.  We have always been a defensive team and even when we won the SB, that was an offensive run.  We are really missing players like Rice, Jacoby, and Torrey right now...guys who can make things happen.  We have zero of that now. 

The only statement you made that I don't agree with is "it would have been hard to select another wideout. He went 2 tightends   previously. Why not 2 wideouts? Knowing that you only had one speed guy in house and he's rookie. That doesn't make sense. A slower tightend may get a few first downs but not take the top the defense.

[RavensFanMania]

trestman is safe. lots of people dont realize it because the defense is so atrocious, but the offense has been ranked 9th best for the past few weeks. i think we bumped down a few after tonights game, but regardless our O isnt that bad we just need better WR's. hes doing a decent job for what he has.

Agree Trestman is safe, not only does it give him another year with Flacco, something that is rare in Baltimore, but he is doing decent with the current WR talent.  I'd like to see more outside stretch runs, but the offense is top 10.

 

The defensive coaching staff is on the hot seat. I think the guys on offense are safe.

I agree the defensive coaching staff is on the hot seat and believe that Pees should be fired going into the bye week and promote one of the LB coaches to take over as the interim coach. 

[RavensFanMania]

The only statement you made that I don't agree with is "it would have been hard to select another wideout. He went 2 tightends   previously. Why not 2 wideouts? Knowing that you only had one speed guy in house and he's rookie. That doesn't make sense. A slower tightend may get a few first downs but not take the top the defense.

I agree, Stefon Diggs could have been taken in the 4th round with one of our picks, prior to him going in the 5th round to the Vikings.  Especially since we needed at the very least a KR.

Edited October 27, 2015 by RavensFanMania

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Of course we do and mine still stands "true" (did you see what I did there?), especially after we've just fallen to 1-6.

In yet another close finish so mine stands just as firmly.

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I agree, Stefon Diggs could have been taken in the 4th round with one of our picks, prior to him going in the 5th round to the Vikings. Especially since we needed at the very least a KR.

Agreed there. I'm at least happy that Diggs is reaffirming our belief in him. We both liked him pre-draft.

[RavensFanMania]

It is only my opinion, but with Pees here I don't see the point in focusing on defense.

 

I totally agree and believe our defense would be top 10 without Pees.  A different scheme with someone who makes better 2nd half adjustments and puts the players in a better position to succeed would do wonders for the d.  I still believe that we have talent at every level of the defense. 

 

We do need still need more playmakers on both sides of the ball though and Ozzie will get it done.  We have been in the process of rebuilding since we won the SB, we just happened to make the playoffs last year during a rebuilding year.  Lets let the rebuild finish.  This is a very young team on both sides of the ball.

[RavensFanMania]

Agreed there. I'm at least happy that Diggs is reaffirming our belief in him. We both liked him pre-draft.

btw, I want the Ravens in forum draft :-), especially with a high pick!

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btw, I want the Ravens in forum draft :-), especially with a high pick!

Ha! There might be a long line for that one.

[Winchester]

Agreed there. I'm at least happy that Diggs is reaffirming our belief in him. We both liked him pre-draft.

I got ridiculed for saying Diggs was not far off of Coopers talent. And if he did not get injured and he played with a good qb in a good scheme then he would be the #4 WR drafted.

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I got ridiculed for saying Diggs was not far off of Coopers talent. And if he did not get injured and he played with a good qb in a good scheme then he would be the #4 WR drafted.

That's a bit of a stretch, but injuries did impact his draft status.

[thieverycorporation]

Ozzie pursues to many players out of their prime. Many of the WRs did nothing. Free agency needs to be approached like the draft. Do not look for the WR that has 12000 yards, find the next WR that is going to catch for 12000 yards. Free agency or even trades should be viewed as coached up draft picks. There are many talented players that need one or more of opportunity, coaching,scheme,motivation,structure,supporting cast to breakout. Emmanuel Sanders and Brandon Lafell are 2 examples. Sanders did not click with Ben and was not comfortable with the scheme or his role. Cam is not a rythym pocket qb that gets the ball out fast and therefore does not allow his WRs to play fast. If Brady did not already have years of chemistry with Gronk and Edelman, Lafell would have had 1300 yards or more and 10 TDs. With limited cash, the ravens need to approach free agency looking for real bargains!! The players ready to breakout. Not so called has beens. Players that need a good QB or disciplined hard working team structure and motivstion and detailed schemes. Lafell raised a mob in Carolina when he said the patsies work harder and are more detail oriented. I like Marqise Lee, Paul Richardson and Brian Quick. I know only the latter is a free agent but the other 2 WR's teams could audition trade offers. Richardson is coming off injury while his team has added other weapons already. Marqise gets minor injuries that prevents him from building any chemistry with his young QB while he is also a young player. Quick is a rare talent whose raw skills are compared to T.O. He hit some breakout games even with a terrible QB before Quick was injured. He is known for a Gronk like work ethic and runs 100 routes a day and practices adjusting to various errant throws. His hard work and rare skills were paying off before his injury. His body control and catch radius is among the best. And he runs very explosive sharp routes for his size and has surprising run after catch moves for his size. With a good QB like Joe he could pick up where he left off and be a Sanders like Bargain.

Brian Quick would be my much sort after receiver in free-agency. But what's missing is the YAC element. 

[Winchester]

Brian Quick would be my much sort after receiver in free-agency. But what's missing is the YAC element.

Stats can be misleading sometimes. Watch his elusiveness when he is not all stretched out for an errant wild throw. I like Richardson and Marqise as well. I like Richardson very slightly more. I always liked Diggs slightly more than marqise as well. However marqise is also slightly more obtainable. I would trade perriman and a #3 pick for Diggs right now. Under ravens normal draft slot I would trade perriman and a #2 for Diggs. But being that the fo is looking at a top 5 pick, the picks have far more value. Building a winner with limited cap space means doing things outside the box. However Perriman has zero value right now. You begin to wonder. Is his injury that significant or is he that unimpressive and raw that coaches fear he could look bad on the field because of bad routes and hands. And the fo does not want the negative responses from fans for the teams #1 pick looking bad. The ravens are not even giving straight explanations of his injury. Is anybody to believe the ravens can not explain his injury or a straight answer to how long he will be out?? Every other injury there is a timeframe for return. With Perriman there is no estimates as to when he will play. Seems more like a performance thing as to when he is ready to play.

[thieverycorporation]

Stats can be misleading sometimes. Watch his elusiveness when he is not all stretched out for an errant wild throw. I like Richardson and Marqise as well. I like Richardson very slightly more. I always liked Diggs slightly more than marqise as well. However marqise is also slightly more obtainable. I would trade perriman and a #3 pick for Diggs right now. Under ravens normal draft slot I would trade perriman and a #2 for Diggs. But being that the fo is looking at a top 5 pick, the picks have far more value. Building a winner with limited cap space means doing things outside the box. However Perriman has zero value right now. You begin to wonder. Is his injury that significant or is he that unimpressive and raw that coaches fear he could look bad on the field because of bad routes and hands. And the fo does not want the negative responses from fans for the teams #1 pick looking bad. The ravens are not even giving straight explanations of his injury. Is anybody to believe the ravens can not explain his injury or a straight answer to how long he will be out?? Every other injury there is a timeframe for return. With Perriman there is no estimates as to when he will play. Seems more like a performance thing as to when he is ready to play.

True. Perriman or Perriwinkle has put a lot of doubt in my mind. I'd add that owning 3 or 4 4th rounder's is a lot of ammo to add with that #1 pick. They could maneuver all around the board early. But Ozzie likes quantity which in the latest results compromises  quality.

Edited October 27, 2015 by thieverycorporation