Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[usmccharles]

There's a good shot Suggs was going to have a down year anyways. I told everybody the ravens are getting old and no true #1 WR. Does anybody think the ravens are fixing all these holes by next year?? Not to mention the money Biscotti is on the hook for. Not just Rice but all the underperformers Jimmy,Webb,Pitta,Monroe. Suggs will be going on 35,Dumervil will be 34. And that is just the big money contracts. Does anybody recall the other all pro guards after they hit 32-33?? Faneca,Allen,Hutchinson,Waters?? Everybody is counting on Perriman to be a #1 and has never shown #1 skills. Mosley and Jernigan took steps backwards without Ngata playing. Wagner has really struggled. Then there are the recognized holes corner,FS,WR,Center, The so called bright spots are pure optimism. The TEs are serviceable, not game breakers like everybody is making it sound like. Neither have game changing, speed or skills or another gear like the elite TEs that can take the place of a #1 WR option. But the Ozzie flock talks like Gilmore or Fat maxx are the next Gronk or Gates or even Todd Heap. I understand everybody thought this team was going to compete for the championship. But to actually believe every WR 6'3 or taller is going to be a #1 WR is nieve. Bad drafting and bad signings have caught up to the ravens. I do hope Mosley rebounds to a pro bowl LB and Jernigan rebounds.

I'm no longer reading your walls of text until you find the enter key. But I'm sure I disagreed with most

[-Truth-]

I was talking to Grim about this (colluding) and I think it's fairly telling that the Cowboys, even with Dez and Romo already, didn't really take off and become a truly elite unit until last season, when Frederick was a year wiser and they added Martin. Say what you want about the NFL being a passing league, but having the kind of OL that even I could probably run for 4ypc behind does so much to open up the passing game, and it lets the Cowboys kill the clock if they need to (Ozzie knows we could have used a couple of time-strangling drives this season).

 

I wouldn't be opposed to finding a Julio/Green/Brown/Dez type (who knows, Perriman might yet be that), but just a couple of decent players who can get open every now and then is fine by me too - and that's why I don't mind us bargain hunting for veterans. It's just the depth that bugs me.

There's no denying what the running game did for Dallas last season. Another prime example would be the New York Jets. The Brandon Marshall addition has certainly helped, and Geno Smith's injury has been an addition by subtraction, but they've been a far more effective offense with the running game on a tear. They're currently 4-1 with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB mostly because they own the league's No.1 ranked rushing attack and the No.1 ranked defense. They've had almost no production at WR aside from Marshall and Eric Decker. I doubt that they'll be able to maintain this level of success moving forward but it shows that this formula can still be quite effective.

Edited October 22, 2015 by -Truth-

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So speaking on the cap...I think it's been a huge problem since the superbowl season..

Bad Contracts..with no outs.

But honestly if your name isn't Brandon Williams/davis/Jernigan/Mosley or Jimmy...then I think Ozzie should look into letting them go depending on cap hit of course..this team from a cap standpoint has to start over.

You can't build contracts expecting guys to punch their wives on camera, tear multiple acl's, or break their hip 2x...

We hit a string of bad luck that way. To have "outs" so to speak - like the contracts of Kaepernick or Tannehill - you've got to pay a player top top money for them to sacrifice the comfort of gauranteed, multi year money. Contracts like that are betting to fail bc if the player(s) do well you're paying a huge premium in cap to have them, which then it becomes impossible to keep them all anyways. You only save if the player gets injured/underperforms.

Kaeps getting paid Aaron Rodgers money to play like garbage. And is it really an out because what's the alternative? Now they're going to have to make a choice - keep him and be limited in how they can rebuild the rest of the roster which they desperately need, or cut him. Not a situation I want this team in even if it means a year like this is possible where our hands are tied in the HIGHLY UNLIKELY event that 3-4 star players get serious injuries/sharp decline/get arrested for serious offenses.

I can't reiterate how much this is a one in a million scenerio and you can't build a team constantly in fear of this type of thing. No one thought the Rice, Webb, Pitta or Ngata contracts were bad at the time of signing. And any that did are just pessemists by nature and happened to look right for once in this rare occurrence.

Why would you sign guys to contracts with stipulations that if they all do well (which should be the expectation if you're extending resigning them) you can't afford all of their combined contracts, with the only positive being if they do poorly or get injured you won't suffer dead money?

You sign guys that you think will be core players for multiple years to market value or slightly below market value by giving them a little extra now in terms of roster bonus... Guys seemingly on the up tick that if all they do is continue to do what they've already done for you then you're happy to pay for it.

That's what we did. Just had a run of uncontrollable bad luck.

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Going forward, we get out from under all the dead money next year. Why go cutting everyone to put yourself back into cap hell?

The team isn't broken, it's injured. If everyone comes back healthy for next year and we can add a good draft and a good FA signing in a few places we'll be right back in the mix of things.

This year is an anomaly. The exception not the rule.

Edited October 22, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Guest]

We may have one of the better drafting positions when this year is over and I agree with Mom Gene that we definitely have to go defense and come up with Gems, like we did back in the day.

 

Draw your own conclusions, but I firmly believe the plan post Championship was that Flacco would make any receiver a great receiver. That is how the roster decisions were conducted. We've had two separate seasons now to clearly demonstrate that is not the case. We will have to find a way to invest in the offense, (and its clear that was attempted last year), but its equally clear the defense needs triage.  It's emergency care time.

 

Edge Rusher, CB, DT, SAFETY

 

Still can't believe we don't have Eric Reid.

[usmccharles]

 

 

Draw your own conclusions, but I firmly believe the plan post Championship was that Flacco would make any receiver a great receiver. That is how the roster decisions were conducted. We've had two separate seasons now to clearly demonstrate that is not the case. We will have to find a way to invest in the offense, (and its clear that was attempted last year), but its equally clear the defense needs triage.  It's emergency care time.

 

Edge Rusher, CB, DT, SAFETY

 

I actually agree with you.  It seems they thought any WR would be able to produce, but honestly we wont know if any of these players would even look good with tom brady or aaron rodgers, but its what we have.  Im excited to go defensive draft wise and i hope our first 3 picks come in that way unless some RB that looks like a gamechanger falls to us; im not familar with college ball so i dont know who is out there.  Pass rusher should be our main key, we need to find the next Suggs/doom type player. 

[-Truth-]

I don't know if Eric Reid is worth losing sleep over. He's had a disappointing stretch after a solid rookie year. I personally didn't believe that his LSU tape justified a selection in the middle of the 1st, and I feel that he likely would've been the subject of criticism if he were here.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

What does he have against Maxx anyway? Did Maxx steal his girl at the high school prom and threatened to beat him up or something? Seriously. I understand why people think the Maxx love is too much but he's a rookie TE. How can anyone really hate him? No on was criticizing Crockett this time last year.

Edited October 22, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Tru11]

What does he have against Maxx anyway? Did Maxx steal his girl at the high school prom and threatened to beat him up or something? Seriously. I understand why people think the Maxx love is too much but he's a rookie TE. How can anyone really hate him? No on was criticizing Crockett this time last year.

 

people where calling a wasted pick and bashed ozzie for taking.

 

probably same people who are now on his bandwagon though....

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

All the more reason I am happy Ozzie is going to stay

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Listen people. Ozzie is safe. Firing Ozzie after the team has what? Two bad seasons would be a massive overreaction. Especially since these two bad seaosns are not conseutive. And before you say "the goal of the season is to win a SB". Well what.. 7/9 seasons we've been here, there were 3 times we made the AFCCG and we should have made the SB two times instead of one(Lee Evans. Looking at you. And if you're going to be like "this is why Ozzie needs to go". If Ozzie knew that he'd be injured most of the year and choke. He wouldn't have aquired him. Believe it or not Evans had a pretty decent career before coming here.

If you've made the playoffs a majority of the time over the last few seasons, that means you're doing something right. Ozzie cannot provide the players with one thing every SB team needs. Luck. Not Andrew Luck, just luck. All of the teams(except for the 2008 one), were good enough to win a SB. They just didn't have things go there way

[Winchester]

And your Looking at things with "pure pessimism". 2 of our tight ends are rookies dude. One of them is 21 years old. They will take some time to develop, tight ends usually take longer than most positions.

They are rookies. But they do not possess the physical attributes of elite receiving TEs. Gilmore is physical with good hands. But he has very little speed with no extra gear. He does not stress a defense. Fat maxx has some athleticism and good hands working for him. Again his speed and skills does not worry a defense very much. Boyle is a slightly less athletic version of Gilmore. They will be effective TEs but far from elite. Everybody thinks every young WR or TE is going to be elite or the next t.o. The Brown\Aiken hype was ludicrous!! Now our TEs are all next Gronk or Gates. Seriously they do not have the physical attributes of Gronk or Gates. Fat Maxx is not much of an upgrade over Gilmore if at all!! The Perriman\Fat maxx selections should have been BPA's. The ravens would have less holes to fill.

[rmcjacket23]

They are rookies. But they do not possess the physical attributes of elite receiving TEs. Gilmore is physical with good hands. But he has very little speed with no extra gear. He does not stress a defense. Fat maxx has some athleticism and good hands working for him. Again his speed and skills does not worry a defense very much. Boyle is a slightly less athletic version of Gilmore. They will be effective TEs but far from elite. Everybody thinks every young WR or TE is going to be elite or the next t.o. The Brown\Aiken hype was ludicrous!! Now our TEs are all next Gronk or Gates. Seriously they do not have the physical attributes of Gronk or Gates. Fat Maxx is not much of an upgrade over Gilmore if at all!! The Perriman\Fat maxx selections should have been BPA's. The ravens would have less holes to fill.

BPA by who's standard? Who determines who the BPA is?

 

Hint: its a trick question.

[ravensdan]

That is ridiculous they lost in OT. As lately as 2007 we lost 9 straight. Remember getting humiliated by the Steelers 38-7?

That was a good team. There's nothing worse than losing to a bad Browns team. Or any Browns team.

[ravensdan]

I too have others in mind. Ben Roethlisberger hanging 6 TDs on us last season was one of the least pleasant ones. The debacle against Denver in our 2013 opener also stung. My personal most embarrassing one, however, was the loss against Pittsburgh in the playoffs after we were winning 21-7 at half time. The phrase 3rd and 19 has been forever etched into my mind. Generally speaking, it's a subjective topic I feel.

Those are tough losses to good teams though. Not the same.

[Inqui]

There's no denying what the running game did for Dallas last season. Another prime example would be the New York Jets. The Brandon Marshall addition has certainly helped, and Geno Smith's injury has been an addition by subtraction, but they've been a far more effective offense with the running game on a tear. They're currently 4-1 with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB mostly because they own the league's No.1 ranked rushing attack and the No.1 ranked defense. They've had almost no production at WR aside from Marshall and Eric Decker. I doubt that they'll be able to maintain this level of success moving forward but it shows that this formula can still be quite effective.

Exactly, and I think with Joe we have a good enough QB to elevate that kind of game plan to something that can actually produce consistent wins and make a legitimate run at a Lombardi.

 

As much as we love the idea of getting a WR1, I think it's more a luxury than a necessity when building a competitor.

[The Mom Gene]

They are rookies. But they do not possess the physical attributes of elite receiving TEs. Gilmore is physical with good hands. But he has very little speed with no extra gear. He does not stress a defense. Fat maxx has some athleticism and good hands working for him. Again his speed and skills does not worry a defense very much. Boyle is a slightly less athletic version of Gilmore. They will be effective TEs but far from elite. Everybody thinks every young WR or TE is going to be elite or the next t.o. The Brown\Aiken hype was ludicrous!! Now our TEs are all next Gronk or Gates. Seriously they do not have the physical attributes of Gronk or Gates. Fat Maxx is not much of an upgrade over Gilmore if at all!! The Perriman\Fat maxx selections should have been BPA's. The ravens would have less holes to fill.

This isn't true...  Both of these guys have shown great promise for rookies.  Look at Dickson and Pitta.  Perfect example.  Neither were "stars" their rookie year.  it is a known fact that TE's take time and experience to develop into playmakers.

[-Truth-]

Those are tough losses to good teams though. Not the same.

 

We're a better team than our record indicates, but we were a 1-3 team facing an 0-4 team which lost to Oakland in a one score game two weeks prior and was a penalty away from having the chance to beat San Diego in OT the week before. They've also came close to beating Denver this past week, so it's not as if they've been getting blown out in every recent contest surrounding our game. I expect us to be favored against Cleveland at home, but I doubt many expected us to walk all over them prior to the game. If we're taking opposing records into account, then the loss against the Blaine Gabbert led Jaguars in 2011 where we were flat out dominated amidst a 12-4 season arguably takes the cake. In my eyes, the loss against the Browns wasn't even remotely close to the shame and defeat most fans felt after giving us the lead to Pittsburgh in that postseason game. We had a two TD lead and one half remaining in a rivalry that was often decided by less than 4 points, and then we utterly imploded. I maintain that this is a subjective topic, but that's my personal opinion on the matter.

Edited October 23, 2015 by -Truth-

[-Truth-]

Exactly, and I think with Joe we have a good enough QB to elevate that kind of game plan to something that can actually produce consistent wins and make a legitimate run at a Lombardi.

 

As much as we love the idea of getting a WR1, I think it's more a luxury than a necessity when building a competitor.

 

Agreed on both accounts.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Unfortunately real problems can not be narrowed down to just one thing as you suggest. There are multiple issues adding up to these embarrassing losses. Luckily we have a premiere organization to right the ship. GM/HC/QB.

 

I'm with you on two out of four. Great owner & great QB! I can take or leave the other two.

[ravensdan]

We're a better team than our record indicates, but we were a 1-3 team facing an 0-4 team which lost to Oakland in a one score game two weeks prior and was a penalty away from having the chance to beat San Diego in OT the week before. They've also came close to beating Denver this past week, so it's not as if they've been getting blown out in every recent contest surrounding our game. I expect us to be favored against Cleveland at home, but I doubt many expected us to walk all over them prior to the game. If we're taking opposing records into account, then the loss against the Blaine Gabbert led Jaguars in 2011 where we were flat out dominated amidst a 12-4 season arguably takes the cake. In my eyes, the loss against the Browns wasn't even remotely close to the shame and defeat most fans felt after giving us the lead to Pittsburgh in that postseason game. We had a two TD lead and one half remaining in a rivalry that was often decided by less than 4 points, and then we utterly imploded. I maintain that this is a subjective topic, but that's my personal opinion on the matter.

Your using too much logic! Lol. It's the Browns. I want to beat them and beat them badly every year if possible. There's no team I enjoy smashing more than them due to the history.

[-Truth-]

Your using too much logic! Lol. It's the Browns. I want to beat them and beat them badly every year if possible. There's no team I enjoy smashing more than them due to the history.

 

lol Sorry. Ah, I see. I don't know why, but I don't feel much animosity towards the Browns. Definitely makes sense if you dislike them though.

[PurpleCity5]

I love our Front Office because they've always shown they can bounce back. We could put up a stinker of a season and nearly get back to the Superbowl the next year. Im confident in our ability to get the team in the right direction.

Edited October 23, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[AsianRice]

I love our Front Office because they've always shown they can bounce back. We could put up a stinker of a season and nearly get back to the Superbowl the next year. Im confident in our ability to get the team in the right direction.

*salute by Dean Pees*

[PurpleCity5]

*salute by Dean Pees*

Lol, Imagine Pees and Cameron on this team. These boards would crash. I seriously wonder if we actually considered replacing Pees. I wonder what the reactions would be if we decide to keep.

Edited October 23, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[I AM LEGEND]

We may have one of the better drafting positions when this year is over and I agree with Mom Gene that we definitely have to go defense and come up with Gems, like we did back in the day.

Draw your own conclusions, but I firmly believe the plan post Championship was that Flacco would make any receiver a great receiver. That is how the roster decisions were conducted. We've had two separate seasons now to clearly demonstrate that is not the case. We will have to find a way to invest in the offense, (and its clear that was attempted last year), but its equally clear the defense needs triage. It's emergency care time.

Edge Rusher, CB, DT, SAFETY

Still can't believe we don't have Eric Reid.

If the Front Office went into the post superbowl offseason thinking that Joe Flacco could make any receiver great....they should all be fired.

From 2008 to 2012..there was nothing....and I mean NOTHING that led me to believe Flacco could do that.

Not saying ur wrong...but if that's truly the case it's frustrating. Yes I know Flacco looked All World during that playoff run...but still not a reason to make such a stupid decision.

[ravensdfan]

Lol, Imagine Pees and Cameron on this team. These boards would crash. I seriously wonder if we actually considered replacing Pees. I wonder what the reactions would be if we decide to keep.

You mean the "Cam under Fire" speech at the State of the Ravens post season presser the season before we fired him?

 

I am prepared for much of the same crap regarding Pees. Then we'll be the same old 4th quarter melt down defense, the Pees crowd will commence with all their excuses, etc etc etc.

[Guest]

If the Front Office went into the post superbowl offseason thinking that Joe Flacco could make any receiver great....they should all be fired.

From 2008 to 2012..there was nothing....and I mean NOTHING that led me to believe Flacco could do that.

Not saying ur wrong...but if that's truly the case it's frustrating. Yes I know Flacco looked All World during that playoff run...but still not a reason to make such a stupid decision.

 

I think you know the answer to the question you posed.

 

I'm still in shock from it all and consider the purge the poorest decision in my memory.

 

Did you see how Seattle manhandled San Fran on the Niners turf?  I think we are going to have a great draft pick. It's scary though.

[Militant X 1]

We're a better team than our record indicates, but we were a 1-3 team facing an 0-4 team which lost to Oakland in a one score game two weeks prior and was a penalty away from having the chance to beat San Diego in OT the week before. They've also came close to beating Denver this past week, so it's not as if they've been getting blown out in every recent contest surrounding our game. I expect us to be favored against Cleveland at home, but I doubt many expected us to walk all over them prior to the game. If we're taking opposing records into account, then the loss against the Blaine Gabbert led Jaguars in 2011 where we were flat out dominated amidst a 12-4 season arguably takes the cake. In my eyes, the loss against the Browns wasn't even remotely close to the shame and defeat most fans felt after giving us the lead to Pittsburgh in that postseason game. We had a two TD lead and one half remaining in a rivalry that was often decided by less than 4 points, and then we utterly imploded. I maintain that this is a subjective topic, but that's my personal opinion on the matter.

 

I don't know about that.

[Kid87]

Any reason for Ozzie to sign DT Ratliff from the bears

[AsianRice]

You mean the "Cam under Fire" speech at the State of the Ravens post season presser the season before we fired him?

 

I am prepared for much of the same crap regarding Pees. Then we'll be the same old 4th quarter melt down defense, the Pees crowd will commence with all their excuses, etc etc etc.

me too....I'll do whatever to make Steve heard that fans are very unsatisfied with Dean Pees....