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[-Truth-]

I said his raw talent was the best that we could get for a round3-4 pick. The idea is to find a talented player before he has his breakout!! Is it not?? What would Emmanuel Sanders command on the open market after last year?? Jeremy Maclin could have been acquired for a round3 pick at one time. BTW I proclaimed Lee to be better than Perriman as well as Diggs is better than Perriman.

A 2nd round selection was the first suggestion, and then a 3rd, which was labeled as the steal of the decade in the making. Lee deserves credit for showing improvement this season albeit in a very small sample size, but his situation isn't at all an accurate comparison to Sanders'. Sanders often flashed his ability on the field and his lack of production on paper was visibly a byproduct of a lack of opportunities. I've watched every target of Lee's professional career, and I felt that he struggled on tape in his rookie season just as he did in his junior campaign at USC. Most reports that I've read share this notion. If you're willing to consistently overlook first season in its entirety, which was uneven at best, I find it humorous that you're automatically dismissing Perriman before he even sees the field. He isn't even given a chance to initially disappoint like Lee has to this point before he's written off Perriman for good. We agree on one topic at least, as we were both fans of Diggs when he came out. That being said, Maclin could've been signed as a free agent without giving away draft selections. Feel free to continue cherry picking in hindsight, however.

 

If you really think perriman will play to round1 status.... What will you say about oz when Perriman and fat max are both busts or mediocre.

Maxx Williams pushes Lawrence Timmons around in the running game, who's arguably one of the more athletically gifted inside linebackers in the league, yet Williams is overweight and out of shape because he apparently had less-than-flattering images taken at the Combine roughly 8 months ago. Astute observation there, bravo. I have a strong suspicious that you haven't seen much of any of Williams this season, let alone enough to provide such strong feedback, but I'm quite certain that we'll continue seeing strong opinions about his destined future failures.

Edited October 19, 2015 by -Truth-

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

A 2nd round selection was the first suggestion, and then a 3rd, which was labeled as the steal of the decade in the making. Lee deserves credit for showing improvement this season albeit in a very small sample size, but his situation isn't at all an accurate comparison to Sanders'. Sanders often flashed his ability on the field and his lack of production on paper was visibly a byproduct of a lack of opportunities. I've watched every target of Lee's professional career, and I felt that he struggled on tape in his rookie season just as he did in his junior campaign at USC. Most reports that I've read share this notion. If you're willing to consistently overlook first season in its entirety, which was uneven at best, I find it humorous that you're automatically dismissing Perriman before he even sees the field. He at least hasn't had the chance to disappoint like Lee has to this point. We agree on one topic at least, as we were both fans of Diggs when he came out. That being said, Maclin could've been signed as a free agent without giving away draft selections. Feel free to continue cherry picking in hindsight, however.

Max Williams pushes Lawrence Timmons around in the running game, who's arguably one of the more athletically gifted inside linebackers in the league, yet Williams is overweight and out of shape because he apparently had less than flatter images taken at the Combine roughly 8 months ago. Astute observation there, bravo. I have a strong feeling you haven't seen much of any of Williams this season, let alone enough to provide such strong feedback, but I'm quite certain that we'll continue seeing strong opinions about his performance.

Maxx Williams weighs 250 pounds. I weight roughly 100 pounds less than that. So fat.

Maxx isn't fast long distance but is very twitchy for a TE. Calling him fat is stupid. Cause he's not. He's normal sized for an NFL TE who appears to be VERY strong. He's not an easy dude to bring down. That said, he's quick, which is important. He won't beat you in a footrace to the end zone but he can juke out a defender(which he did today) to get an extra 2-3 yards, which is more useful than you would think.

Honestly. This team isn't that bad. I think we have a chance at Bosa because well. We don't finish. It's our only flaw. One that can be corrected in one offseason. We've been in every game, two of them against undefeated teams. Bad teams don't stick around like that. But good teams win a few of them. We're that team that in reality is in the middle until the fourth quarter. Where the defense decideds to implode due to lack of experience and what not. If put in a stud pass rusher somewhere, and another competent secondary player the defense would suddenly improve a lot(getting rid of Dean would help too. He's not bad but I'm tired of the defense blowing it late. He'd get a job elsewhere with personel that fits his scheme. We have a better personel for an attacking defense 3-4 hybrid tbh).

If your GM puts together a team that is actually talented, and has had consistent success for almost a decade, who cares if you're getting superstars/ elite players in the draft. You need one or two(offensivley our superstar was Ray Rice when we won the SB, and a hobbled Suggs at that point for defense) of them,but in reality what you really need is strong trench play. And one of trench's is VERY strong. The defensive trench.

So prepare for lesson(Truth not directed to you.. I've told you this several times. But you might agree with me). You really want to build an NFL team that's capable of winnning a SB. Here are the things you need in order of importance.

1. A franchise QB. If you think Flacco is trash you're full of it. Sorry. He's not. He's having a down year, but he hasn't been entirely bad. He's had his moments of success and quite frankly. The only reason we've been in every game is because of him. We would have one of the the worst teams OF ALL TIME if not for him. He's not elite, but he's not garbage. Is he top 10? He floats around there. But what matters is, he can win you a super bowl. He's done it. He needs a good team around him to do it, but we have a guy who can build one. Flacco's already won a SB and quite frankly has nothing to prove. His lack of emotion may earn him criticism. But honestly, do you want to go back to the QB carosel? Didn't think so. Sorry guy's. Flacco's untouchable. Next time we will need another starting QB is when he retires. Love him or hate him. He's good enough to do the job we need him to. And he wins big games.

2. Strong Trench Play on Both Sides.

Football is won in the trenches. And we have VERY good trenches on the defensive side. Carl Davis, Lawerence Guy, Brandon Williams, Timmy Jernigan.. Are all very good pieces along the dline. ZDS is a good player who's improved each game. Dumervil is an elite pass rusher(and nothing more), CJ Mosley is very good. Daryl is good but might fall of the wagon any day. We do the first thing that any good defense should do well. We stop the run. You can't stop the run, you can't stop anything. We don't get great pressure on the QB though(well. in the fourth quarter. We're not terrible at it. We have what seems to be 3 competent rushers right now. Jernigan, ZDS, and Dumervil. Lawerence Guy isn't bad either). Two of those guys are young, thus inconsistent, and one of them is well. A monster who is untouchable for us. But we lack more pass rush.

I cannot say the same thing for the offense. We have good pieces over there. Yanda is an all pro. Monroe has been good since his return but had a down year last year. KO is inconsisent. But Wagner inexplicably fell off and Zuttah is a finesse center. Now they've improved recently but I would not be surprised if we address oline this year via the draft or free agency. Honestly, I think Wagner has been improving each week and will return to form shortly. But we need to find a potential replacement for KO and Zuttah.

3. You need an identity. We lack one on either side of the ball. Whether we're going to be a team with a good offense in the future, with a horrid defense, or vice versa. We need to decide. We had one during the SB run.

We were a run first offense who would destroy you via the deep passing game. Our defense would play just good enough and came up when it mattered most. The seahawks two years ago had a run heavy team with a defense that would punch you in the gut if you tried to move on them.

We have no idea which direction we're going in.

Now you could argue that you need a #1 WR, but honestly I'd value the CB position more. I think you need a number one OPTION and believe it or not I see two very viable candidates for this team in the near future in either of the TE's. If Maxx turns into a Jason Witten caliber player then we got ourselves exactly that. Hell. Edelman isn't a beast. He's good but he's second fiddle to Gronk. And it's not even close.

But I think we have a number one corner. Jimmy had a dumb penalty and one bad play today vs Boldin, but otherwise was pretty solid. He had a pair of horrid weeks vs AJ Green(well... He's AJ Green, I'm not gonna give him too much crap for that. Guy's a beast) and Amari Cooper but honestly has been hot or cold and has been improving from most of his mistakes more down the line. He's given up a couple of big plays but overall his total play hasn't been awful. He hasn't been as good as we've seen in prior years but come next year if he stays healthy I think we're set there.

The problem is we lack the third one. Sure our oline hasn't lived up to last year, but I think that we can get another guard somewhere else, and hopefully upgrade the center position. And the third one will come in time. But honestly we haven't been building bad teams. Every team goes through a down season. This just happens to be ours. I think we can get out of it

[usmccharles]

Now you could argue that you need a #1 WR, but honestly I'd value the CB position more. I think you need a number one OPTION and believe it or not I see two very viable candidates for this team in the near future in either of the TE's. If Maxx turns into a Jason Witten caliber player then we got ourselves exactly that. Hell. Edelman isn't a beast. He's good but he's second fiddle to Gronk. And it's not even close.

But I think we have a number one corner. Jimmy had a dumb penalty and one bad play today vs Boldin, but otherwise was pretty solid. He had a pair of horrid weeks vs AJ Green(well... He's AJ Green, I'm not gonna give him too much crap for that. Guy's a beast) and Amari Cooper but honestly has been hot or cold and has been improving from most of his mistakes more down the line. He's given up a couple of big plays but overall his total play hasn't been awful. He hasn't been as good as we've seen in prior years but come next year if he stays healthy I think we're set there.

 

I agree with you in a sense on not needing a "elite" wr.  Of course everyone would love a Julio Jones, Jeffery, Megatron, etc...but we proved that we dont need that one guy to do it, but rather collection of wr's and playmakers that compliment eachother.  Now i have said we should do the trade for Jeffery and i was all about bringing Marshall here in the offseason, still wish we would have.  But the only reason i want us to do that is im sick of getting guys at the end of their career and having them 2-3 years. It would be nice if Joe could have a WR that he continues to play with, was Torrey by his side the longest? Since joe has been here his number one options have been Mason, Boldin, Torrey, and now SSR.  SSR is playing like he is in his prime, the problem is we dont have any pieces around him to contribute, BP being hurt and not playing really changed the dynamics of this offense.  I was never on the Aiken or Brown wagon, i see Aiken a 3 at best. 

 

Jimmy may not be awful, but hes not playing like the top CB we all thought he was.  Hes only the number one cb on our team bc hes the best, hes not an elite CB.  His lack of consistency is why this is and letting a rookie WR burn him on a double move is just stupid, although Cooper is no scrub.  Jimmy and Webb together seemed like it was going to be a Revis Cromartie type duo, we all miss judged that, especially the front office. 

 

Playmakers

This is our issue.  Today we were reminded of what a wr that can take the top of the defense can do and how he changes things.  We wont bring up how we didnt even have a saftey back there with no help though.  When we won our superbowl we had such great mixture of talent: Boldin- a Wr is as slow as anyone but if the ball is anywhere near him, hes catching.  Torrey- reminded today. Rice- say what you want about his contract but without him we dont win that superbowl, period.  His shiftyness was amazing, completely different from Forsett.  Jacoby- Always a chance he is going to change the game, and he was essential to our SB run.  Thats a lot of weapons and look what we did with them.  Now we are stuck with one WR who is balling out, but has no help.  A RB who can make things happen but not insanely explosive.  No deep theat.  No returner.  No guy like boldin (SSR and boldin are nothing alike).  I think cutting jacoby was a mistake.  If we dont add some playmakers we will always play flat and only get what the defense gives us.   We need to make things happen, but we don thave anyone on our roster who can do that. 

 

Rice

Torrey

Boldin

Pitta

Jacoby

Thats an amazing group of talent which is why we didnt need a Megatron.  Now, since we have one playmaker, we desperately need one.  Maybe Jermey Butler is worth a shot?   but dont expect any trades now, we will see what we have on our roster, some cuts will be made, Pees will be gone.  Time to shake some things up

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I think we have some playmakers. They're just young and haven't been unleashed and or are hurt at this current moment. I agree we need to go get another RB, but as of right now I don't think future wise we'll be terrible off in that department

Maxx

Crockett

Perriman if he gets healthy

Hell, Ross looks like he can make an impact as a returner and as a #3 WR. Who knows.

This is a good start. A few more guys would help sure but we're not completley ignoring it like most are saying.

Honestly wouldn't shock me if we took a WR this year. But I do think we need a game changing RB, and there are few solid RBs in this class.

[usmccharles]

I think we have some playmakers. They're just young and haven't been unleashed and or are hurt at this current moment. I agree we need to go get another RB, but as of right now I don't think future wise we'll be terrible off in that department

Maxx

Crockett

Perriman if he gets healthy

Hell, Ross looks like he can make an impact as a returner and as a #3 WR. Who knows.

This is a good start. A few more guys would help sure but we're not completley ignoring it like most are saying.

Honestly wouldn't shock me if we took a WR this year. But I do think we need a game changing RB, and there are few solid RBs in this class.

I do agree with your assesment of our young talent and that there is huge potential.  What i was getting at is the lack pursuing playmakers until they are needed.  I know we addressed the Torrey replacement with BP, but like i have been saying, you shouldnt wait till you need that replacement to draft him, letting torrey walk without having his replacement hear was very niave.  I think Crockett will be our main star for awhile, But we still need to find that possession wr with good hands, aiken seems to have good hands but doesnt play tough imo. 

 

Im not huge into college football, but ive watched a couple notre dame games and i really like that kid #20 Prosise.  but i have very limited knowledge of college players, that was just the eye test

[Winchester]

Maxx Williams weighs 250 pounds. I weight roughly 100 pounds less than that. So fat.

Maxx isn't fast long distance but is very twitchy for a TE. Calling him fat is stupid. Cause he's not. He's normal sized for an NFL TE who appears to be VERY strong. He's not an easy dude to bring down. That said, he's quick, which is important. He won't beat you in a footrace to the end zone but he can juke out a defender(which he did today) to get an extra 2-3 yards, which is more useful than you would think.

Honestly. This team isn't that bad. I think we have a chance at Bosa because well. We don't finish. It's our only flaw. One that can be corrected in one offseason. We've been in every game, two of them against undefeated teams. Bad teams don't stick around like that. But good teams win a few of them. We're that team that in reality is in the middle until the fourth quarter. Where the defense decideds to implode due to lack of experience and what not. If put in a stud pass rusher somewhere, and another competent secondary player the defense would suddenly improve a lot(getting rid of Dean would help too. He's not bad but I'm tired of the defense blowing it late. He'd get a job elsewhere with personel that fits his scheme. We have a better personel for an attacking defense 3-4 hybrid tbh).

If your GM puts together a team that is actually talented, and has had consistent success for almost a decade, who cares if you're getting superstars/ elite players in the draft. You need one or two(offensivley our superstar was Ray Rice when we won the SB, and a hobbled Suggs at that point for defense) of them,but in reality what you really need is strong trench play. And one of trench's is VERY strong. The defensive trench.

So prepare for lesson(Truth not directed to you.. I've told you this several times. But you might agree with me). You really want to build an NFL team that's capable of winnning a SB. Here are the things you need in order of importance.

1. A franchise QB. If you think Flacco is trash you're full of it. Sorry. He's not. He's having a down year, but he hasn't been entirely bad. He's had his moments of success and quite frankly. The only reason we've been in every game is because of him. We would have one of the the worst teams OF ALL TIME if not for him. He's not elite, but he's not garbage. Is he top 10? He floats around there. But what matters is, he can win you a super bowl. He's done it. He needs a good team around him to do it, but we have a guy who can build one. Flacco's already won a SB and quite frankly has nothing to prove. His lack of emotion may earn him criticism. But honestly, do you want to go back to the QB carosel? Didn't think so. Sorry guy's. Flacco's untouchable. Next time we will need another starting QB is when he retires. Love him or hate him. He's good enough to do the job we need him to. And he wins big games.

2. Strong Trench Play on Both Sides.

Football is won in the trenches. And we have VERY good trenches on the defensive side. Carl Davis, Lawerence Guy, Brandon Williams, Timmy Jernigan.. Are all very good pieces along the dline. ZDS is a good player who's improved each game. Dumervil is an elite pass rusher(and nothing more), CJ Mosley is very good. Daryl is good but might fall of the wagon any day. We do the first thing that any good defense should do well. We stop the run. You can't stop the run, you can't stop anything. We don't get great pressure on the QB though(well. in the fourth quarter. We're not terrible at it. We have what seems to be 3 competent rushers right now. Jernigan, ZDS, and Dumervil. Lawerence Guy isn't bad either). Two of those guys are young, thus inconsistent, and one of them is well. A monster who is untouchable for us. But we lack more pass rush.

I cannot say the same thing for the offense. We have good pieces over there. Yanda is an all pro. Monroe has been good since his return but had a down year last year. KO is inconsisent. But Wagner inexplicably fell off and Zuttah is a finesse center. Now they've improved recently but I would not be surprised if we address oline this year via the draft or free agency. Honestly, I think Wagner has been improving each week and will return to form shortly. But we need to find a potential replacement for KO and Zuttah.

3. You need an identity. We lack one on either side of the ball. Whether we're going to be a team with a good offense in the future, with a horrid defense, or vice versa. We need to decide. We had one during the SB run.

We were a run first offense who would destroy you via the deep passing game. Our defense would play just good enough and came up when it mattered most. The seahawks two years ago had a run heavy team with a defense that would punch you in the gut if you tried to move on them.

We have no idea which direction we're going in.

Now you could argue that you need a #1 WR, but honestly I'd value the CB position more. I think you need a number one OPTION and believe it or not I see two very viable candidates for this team in the near future in either of the TE's. If Maxx turns into a Jason Witten caliber player then we got ourselves exactly that. Hell. Edelman isn't a beast. He's good but he's second fiddle to Gronk. And it's not even close.

But I think we have a number one corner. Jimmy had a dumb penalty and one bad play today vs Boldin, but otherwise was pretty solid. He had a pair of horrid weeks vs AJ Green(well... He's AJ Green, I'm not gonna give him too much crap for that. Guy's a beast) and Amari Cooper but honestly has been hot or cold and has been improving from most of his mistakes more down the line. He's given up a couple of big plays but overall his total play hasn't been awful. He hasn't been as good as we've seen in prior years but come next year if he stays healthy I think we're set there.

The problem is we lack the third one. Sure our oline hasn't lived up to last year, but I think that we can get another guard somewhere else, and hopefully upgrade the center position. And the third one will come in time. But honestly we haven't been building bad teams. Every team goes through a down season. This just happens to be ours. I think we can get out of it

You make some good points. In a nutshell however this is not the 80's. Getting heat on the qb is #1. Wide body run pluggers come a dime a dozen these days. I'm not impressed. To be honest I like our oline far better than Dline. I do think those guys can pull it together and play dominant across the board. It remains to be seen but it is talented enough to do so. Wagner should improve. He is coming off injury. I would like a more dominant center. He may be already on the team in urschel. The Dline I like Williams Davis Jernigan but I would have preferred Michael Bennett or Jarrett over Davis. Or even Davis with Bennett or Jarrett. I just believe in the current NFL the way the ball is thrown around the talent to get to Brady Rogers Ryan Romo or whomever the hot playoff\superbowl qb happens to be is key to a championship. In the playoffs or Superbowl stopping the other teams obscure RB is like winning the peoples choice award. It just does not have that adolescent flare. The run is no longer needed to set up the QBs throws. With that said I think the ravens need 2 edge rush LBs. One must be dominant to set up the other rushers. Dumervil is over 30 and lost some burst already. If anything the air attack makes it easier for Running games in the modern NFL!! The defense needs a dominant edge rusher and a tough leader. I do believe Joe Cool is a franchise QB. With that said give the dude some weapons for crying out loud. Give him a shot to compensate for the defense. Brown\Aiken are garbage. I do not like perriman as a #1. No way he plays to his 40 time and I do not see any route savvy or speed in his routes. I like him as a round3 developmental WR. Not a rookie Ozzie was depending on to be a key part of the offense. I said before that Steffon Diggs will be a better WR than perriman. As will Lockett. The ravens should have drafted a WR in 2014 and or should have doubled on WRs this draft. No Waller does not count!! The guy is so stiff he looks as if he is running on stilts!! Ozzie missed on Lockett and Diggs whom played in the back yard. Both are phenomenal talents. I said it all along, Diggs at the right school and free of injury could have been a round 1 pick. Perriman may be good in a couple years. I do not like him as a #1 at all. I would love to trade for a talented WR yet to breakout like Marqise Lee. He is a phenomenal talent!! The dude had 10 tds as a true freshman in the pac12. If agholor was available he would have been the ravens pick. And although close, he is not quite as dynamic as Marqise Lee. The ravens have some OK TEs but neither are dynamic enough to replace a WR as #1. They are more compliments to a good WR that needs a dynamic WR to take coverage off them. The TEs can be very effective but neither are dynamic. Effective does not win championships. Remember to win the Superbowl you have to be better than everybody. I see far to many fans over excited over far to many players that are average!! The other teams players are getting paid to!! And when you compare many so called gems to players around the NFL at the same position you can see they are solid which is mediocre, not spectacular. Our oline is the one unit that has the skills to be dominant!! If they are intact and playing up to par. Another reason Joe needs a legit starting WR. With Joe and the oline it will the one need that will show up the most and make the biggest difference. I'm not saying Julio jones but a legit receiver with decent speed will make the most noise and open things up for the young TEs. The idea is to find an ascending player that will be better with the ravens and having a franchise qb. I like Marqise. He has a complete skill set. Hurns getting acclimated faster is no disgrace to him. Hurns is a beast as well. What is a disgrace is ozzie and other teams overlooking a phenomenol talent lime that!! He is well coached up and broke every miami receiving record. But tbe coaches and media in jacksonville acknowledge Marqise is more skilled and explosive player when he actually practices. When he had a viable QB and no injuries he was as dynamic as Watkins. He had 10 TDs as a true freshman in a competitive conference and as a matter of fact many college and draft analysts labeled him the best player in college as a true sophomore. His nagging injuries are agrivating but they are not major. And you will not find skills like that for a round4 pick. Paul Richardson could be obtained likely for a round 5pick because of how deep Seattle is at WR and Kick returner at the moment. He has a legit torn ligament but if he returns to form he is very dynamic!! Think Torrey Smith only faster and will attack the football. And a better route runner.

As for jimmy I think he is eratic and far to inconsistent to be considered elite. Not worth a big contract!! Malcolm Butler is outplaying him!! Pathetic!! I rooted for him to be elite as well. I would like to sign Bruce Irvin this offseason. He is a 4-3 LB that would be a double digit sack guy if he lined up as a 3-4 olb edge rushers. He is being underutilized. It is great he can cover and play traditional LB Duties at 6'3 255lbs, but he is an explosive edge rusher and would be more valuable as a 3-4 olb!! Which makes him a HUGE BARGAIN!! Because if he already played 3-4 rush olb he could easily rack up 12-15 sacks and loads of pressure on qbs!! Thus command over $10mil a year on the open market!! But being that he plays traditional 4-3 LB and has yet to rush the qb often enough to hit 12-16 sacks he is undervalued and his best football will be as a raven. He is as explosive an edge rusher as there is in the NFL. And he has learned an arsenal of moves. The ravens should be able to get him for about 4 years $30million. He is worth far more than Mcphee!! He is a player a smart gm will overpay slightly when considering his current production because of his immense potential. A Smart aggressive gm knows when to pay an ascending player. He is as dynamic as vic Beasley a top10 draft pick. With Mosley and Irvin the ravens Defense is halfway there with 2 explosive building blocks that can run like safety's and play with a mean streak. I like Mosley\Irvin idea. Ravens could draft the best edge rusher to partner with Irvin and Mosley and with their stout DLine once again have a dynamic defense. Just an idea.

[usmccharles]

^dude, please for the love of god, use paragraphs or form your post a little better.  Im all up for reading your opinion but when you dont organize it at all, its just a headache to read. 

[usmccharles]

Because I do not agree with you I am a troll?? And fat maxx is not in shape. Not his best shape anyways. Not by far. Just because he is in the NFL does not mean he is in shape. Or can not get in better shape as far as muscle to fat ratio. Look at his combine 40 pics. He looks like a fat WR. He has some talent but needs get leaner,more muscular, thus stronger faster.

Yea because Antonio Gates is ripped....hes had a lackluster career huh. 

[JEEPercreepermd]

One of my biggest beefs with Ozzie and the Front office this year is the WR situation..

These guys sat down and decided that a WR entering his late 30s/an unproven rookie with droppies/and some other unproven wrs were gonna get the job done. Unacceptable.

No, the agreed that they didn't have the money to add another notable receiver. There's a difference.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I do agree with your assesment of our young talent and that there is huge potential.  What i was getting at is the lack pursuing playmakers until they are needed.  I know we addressed the Torrey replacement with BP, but like i have been saying, you shouldnt wait till you need that replacement to draft him, letting torrey walk without having his replacement hear was very niave.  I think Crockett will be our main star for awhile, But we still need to find that possession wr with good hands, aiken seems to have good hands but doesnt play tough imo. 

 

Im not huge into college football, but ive watched a couple notre dame games and i really like that kid #20 Prosise.  but i have very limited knowledge of college players, that was just the eye test

David Robinson's kid? He's okay. But not a higher round option. I think Crockett and Maxx will be the stars for awhile while Perriman serves as the deep threat worse case scenario. We basically won a SB with two high ends #2 WRs(Cam wasted Boldin HORRIBLY... He's a #1 everywhere else but man... I'm getting ahead of myself), and a great TE, and a great RB. We appear have two good TEs, and possibly a good WR. I do think we have a good piece at RB(I think Buck Allen is a very good compliment), but lack a true feature back.

I don't think we draft a possesion WR. We have bigger fish to fry honestly. And this class isn't that good at WR

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

But you still need these things 80s or not. While playmakers are indeed important, all three of these things are essential to each team. Hell, we didn't have a bad dline or trenches defensivley in our SB year either.

[baltimorefan328]

I wonder what Bisciotti is going to do. I remember after the 8-8 season he said hes a very behind the scenes owner but if the Ravens have another poor season like that he is going to start demanding change.  Do you think he forces the firing of Pees? Forces Ozzie to sign a high profile WR? Forces Ozzie to draft a CB high? The last time Bisciotti really wanted someone was 2008 when he wanted Matt Ryan but Ozzie convinced him to trade back and grab Flacco...I just wonder what Steve is going to do this time. 

[thieverycorporation]

I wonder what Bisciotti is going to do. I remember after the 8-8 season he said hes a very behind the scenes owner but if the Ravens have another poor season like that he is going to start demanding change.  Do you think he forces the firing of Pees? Forces Ozzie to sign a high profile WR? Forces Ozzie to draft a CB high? The last time Bisciotti really wanted someone was 2008 when he wanted Matt Ryan but Ozzie convinced him to trade back and grab Flacco...I just wonder what Steve is going to do this time. 

I'm advocating for a no excuses policy from those entrusted to get prime contributors to the offensive side of the ball and 2nd year depleted secondary. The talent maybe here but it's not consistently evident. My concerns with the team continue past the draft each and every year. I don't get the organizations film study and evaluation process. They have repeatedly past on or get beat out position for premium talent. Receiver and cornerback selection or lack there of is glaring. You can count Perriman selection as a highlighted example. They should have known the man heals slowly as it was known that he'd had past problems with the healing process. So if he twist another joint the wrong way it may result in another lengthy inactive status. That just doesn't make much……..

Edited October 19, 2015 by thieverycorporation

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Why did Ozzie draft Tray Walker. I hated that pick from the get go. Tray can't see the field in our terrible terrible terrible secondary because he sucks

[thieverycorporation]

In the game of football the stats don't typically lie if you use the correction equations.

[Ravens2343]

Why did Ozzie draft Tray Walker. I hated that pick from the get go. Tray can't see the field in our terrible terrible terrible secondary because he sucks

 

I am about done with the "small school" prospects.  Brandon Williams has worked out great for us recently from a small school, but Tray Walker and Robert Myers to me were two completely wasted picks last year.  I don't know how we passed on bigger known prospects like Diggs, Jarrett or Quandre Diggs to draft two guys who the FO seems like they knew they would not see the field this year.  Sometimes I feel like the FO overthinks players or almost outsmarts themselves with some of these selections.  I love Ozzie and this whole organization but in 2016 I would like to see some impact players taken in positions that we need them

[ravensdfan]

I am about done with the "small school" prospects.  Brandon Williams has worked out great for us recently from a small school, but Tray Walker and Robert Myers to me were two completely wasted picks last year.  I don't know how we passed on bigger known prospects like Diggs, Jarrett or Quandre Diggs to draft two guys who the FO seems like they knew they would not see the field this year.  Sometimes I feel like the FO overthinks players or almost outsmarts themselves with some of these selections.  I love Ozzie and this whole organization but in 2016 I would like to see some impact players taken in positions that we need them

Ozzie is a great GM, top 5 in anyone's book but, he is stuck in his ways and the past. This isn't his NFL anymore and he did not adjust to that fact.

 

BPA is fine if there is not a player that fills a glaring need available but Ozzie placed all his eggs in one basket (defense) for too long and the current DC does not know how to use those guys to minimize their weaknesses and expose their strengths. His patchwork quilt mentality in regards to the offense has caught up with us as well.

 

Hoarding draft picks does a team no good when the players gotten with those picks do not contribute to the team's success. It is time for Ozzie to join the 21st century in regards to his draft philosophy.

[CorvusCorax]

Ozzie is a great GM, top 5 in anyone's book but, he is stuck in his ways and the past. This isn't his NFL anymore and he did not adjust to that fact.

 

BPA is fine if there is not a player that fills a glaring need available but Ozzie placed all his eggs in one basket (defense) for too long and the current DC does not know how to use those guys to minimize their weaknesses and expose their strengths. His patchwork quilt mentality in regards to the offense has caught up with us as well.

 

Hoarding draft picks does a team no good when the players gotten with those picks do not contribute to the team's success. It is time for Ozzie to join the 21st century in regards to his draft philosophy.

 

I agree with what you said. 

 

If our losing trend continues and we end up with a top 10 pick (top 5 at this rate), what do you think the over/under will be that Ozzie trades down?

 

We all know it'll happen. 

[ravensdfan]

I agree with what you said. 

 

If our losing trend continues and we end up with a top 10 pick (top 5 at this rate), what do you think the over/under will be that Ozzie trades down?

 

We all know it'll happen. 

I don't think he'd trade down with a top 10 pick to be honest. Though, not so sure he'd trade up if a gem was available either, which is what I would think you should do in that scenario since we are rarely in such a position.

[Static]

None of Ozzie's recent 1st round picks are playing well.

Gotta go all the way back to 2007 to find a player currently playing well or not being a bust.

[RaineV1]

None of Ozzie's recent 1st round picks are playing well.

Gotta go all the way back to 2007 to find a player currently playing well or not being a bust.

Um, 2008, Joe Flacco. And I'd blame Mosley and Jimmy Smith's current struggles in the defensive scheme and play calling.

[January J]

Why did Ozzie draft Tray Walker. I hated that pick from the get go. Tray can't see the field in our terrible terrible terrible secondary because he sucks

we could have gotten diggs in the 4th and instead we get this guy who doesn't seem to have made any Progress. Overall was a good draft though. There's just always those one or two picks that make you wonder.

[GrimCoconut]

Ozzie is a great GM, top 5 in anyone's book but, he is stuck in his ways and the past. This isn't his NFL anymore and he did not adjust to that fact.

BPA is fine if there is not a player that fills a glaring need available but Ozzie placed all his eggs in one basket (defense) for too long and the current DC does not know how to use those guys to minimize their weaknesses and expose their strengths. His patchwork quilt mentality in regards to the offense has caught up with us as well.

Hoarding draft picks does a team no good when the players gotten with those picks do not contribute to the team's success. It is time for Ozzie to join the 21st century in regards to his draft philosophy.

Wth are you talking about? Ozzie is doing exactly what you say. Lol.

Ozzie isn't necessarily focusing on defense, but it's just how things went down. You talk about Ozzie putting all his eggs in one basket, but that's not at all what he's done. I understand you're trying to illustrate a point, but I fear your point is misguided. Let me be direct: if Ozzie was truly putting all his eggs in one basket, he wouldn't horde picks but would use them to trade up for one guy or veterans in the offseason.

I will admit that this strategy has worked for other teams, putting their eggs in one basket, such as the Seahawks, but there are many others where this doesn't work.

If you're asking us to put all our eggs in one basket, then that's something else entirely.

[GrimCoconut]

we could have gotten diggs in the 4th and instead we get this guy who doesn't seem to have made any Progress. Overall was a good draft though. There's just always those one or two picks that make you wonder.

Yeah, you're right, and if Ozzie did that, there would be a line of fans right now rightly calling him out on not drafting a CB, at least not until after the fourth.

This argument based on hindsight goes both ways. I love Diggs, don't get me wrong, but come on now.

[Static]

Um, 2008, Joe Flacco. And I'd blame Mosley and Jimmy Smith's current struggles in the defensive scheme and play calling.

I love Flacco but he isn't currently playing well

[ravensdfan]

Wth are you talking about? Ozzie is doing exactly what you say. Lol.

Ozzie isn't necessarily focusing on defense, but it's just how things went down. You talk about Ozzie putting all his eggs in one basket, but that's not at all what he's done. I understand you're trying to illustrate a point, but I fear your point is misguided. Let me be direct: if Ozzie was truly putting all his eggs in one basket, he wouldn't horde picks but would use them to trade up for one guy or veterans in the offseason.

I will admit that this strategy has worked for other teams, putting their eggs in one basket, such as the Seahawks, but there are many others where this doesn't work.

If you're asking us to put all our eggs in one basket, then that's something else entirely.

3 years top 3 picks is absolutely focusing on defense. One year we drafted the same 2 positions we drafted the year before.

 

That is putting all your eggs in one basket.

Edited October 19, 2015 by ravensdfan

[January J]

Yeah, you're right, and if Ozzie did that, there would be a line of fans right now rightly calling him out on not drafting a CB, at least not until after the fourth.

This argument based on hindsight goes both ways. I love Diggs, don't get me wrong, but come on now.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have drafted a cb, I'm saying we should have gotten a better one sooner, and we also could have gotten another productive wr / kr with speed in diggs and had more to work with next year when SSS departs.

[GrimCoconut]

3 years top 3 picks is absolutely focusing on defense. One year we drafted the same 2 positions we drafted the year before.

That is putting all your eggs in one basket.

I assume you mean 2012, 2013, & 2014 since we clearly drafted a lot of offensive players this year early, which conveniently doesn't support your argument.

2012 drafting Upshaw made sense because we needed an OLB, but we should've gone with other players. I said it then and still do. That said, we drafted two offensive players after Upshaw in Pierce and KO, so this diminishes your argument about three years in a row going to defense.

We did draft (in different order, but still) the same defensive positions in both 2013 & 2014. Can't deny that. But it clearly wasn't three years in a row.

Edited October 19, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have drafted a cb, I'm saying we should have gotten a better one sooner, and we also could have gotten another productive wr / kr with speed in diggs and had more to work with next year when SSS departs.

Where did you want us to get one and who? It's easy to say now, but who would we have drafted? Darby, Randall, Jones are the guys you wanted, I assume, over Perriman? Don't get me wrong because I wanted a DB as well, but we also really needed a WR and I can understand the team liking Perriman over the others. People said Byron Jones was a workout warrior and quite a few people wanted to avoid him as a result. I wasn't one. A lot of people agreed that Darby wasn't a day one pick.

There's just a lot of hindsight without context.

[ravensdfan]

I assume you mean 2012, 2013, & 2014 since we clearly drafted a lot of offensive players this year early, which conveniently doesn't support your argument.

2012 drafting Upshaw made sense because we needed an OLB, but we should've gone with other players. I said it then and still do. That said, we drafted two offensive players after Upshaw in Pierce and KO, so this diminishes your argument about three years in a row going to defense.

We did draft (in different order, but still) the same defensive positions in both 2013 & 2014. Can't deny that. But it clearly wasn't three years in a row.

My argument is they waited too long to invest in weapons for their QB so yes, this year's draft when your franchise guy is in year 8 DOES support my argument.

 

You're right on the 3 years but we still gave the #1 pick to the defense for 5 years in a row.