Ozzie Newsome (Merged)

[gtalk12]

Yeah I was just adding to what you already said. Stinks to lose those FAs but we just don't have the cap for those guys which puts more pressure on drafting well to replace those guys along with drafting at the end of every round. Catches up to everyone at some point.

 

the dead money and the REACH some teams made for these guys hurt us

[H8ME]

This franchise is nowhere without Oz. We don't win two SBs without him. Be careful what you wish for, folks. DeCosta might be great, but I'm not ready to take that risk in the next 5-10 years... Not yet.

 

And that's another MYTH. What's his claim to fame? DeCosta is just as responsible for this mess as Ozzie, Harbaugh and the rest of the scouting dept.

Edited October 15, 2015 by H8ME

[rmcjacket23]

I am a bit surprised that people are wanting Trestman fired, though I probably shouldn't be. Trestman is the one who could use lack of talent as an excuse, but he's getting the job done well with what he has. The Ravens are tenth in scoring, and the offense was able to make comebacks that the defense blew.

Correct. No reasonable fan thinks we are sitting on a boatload of talent at the skill positions on this team. The fact that we're probably going to finish scoring around 25 PPG in an offense without much talent outside of QB and OL is indicative that he's done a pretty good job.

 

Fans will complain about play calling regardless of who is calling the plays. Second-guessing play calling is among the easiest and laziest things fans do, because they'll only complain about it AFTER they see the outcome.

 

Mike Tomlin gets roasted like a duck for a second straight week if LeVeon Bell doesn't score that TD against SD Monday Night. 

 

He scores = genius

He fails to score = moron

 

There is no middle ground in play calling when it comes to fans.

[rmcjacket23]

And that's another MYTH. What's his claim to fame? He's just as responsible for this mess as Ozzie, Harbaugh and the rest of the scouting dept.

Technically, he's accomplished nothing.

 

Then again, its likely the next person you would hire after firing any of the guy's you're complaining about will have that exact same claim to fame...

[D_UP]

The Ravens are still drafting like the AFC north is ground and pound. It's not. There's no more bettis backs in the division. They are all shifty. Ozzie and the crew need to adapt. I'm not saying become the colts with tiny quick players who get pushed around but we need more speed on defense. Maybe time to become a 4-3 defense. The offensive side of ball we all know we need WRs etc etc etc

[Inqui]

How did this thread hit 14 pages? This has to be a new low for this forum.

[Moderator 3]

How did this thread hit 14 pages? This has to be a new low for this forum.

I just wish I could quit reading it.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Don't forget Poe. Bottom 10 mascot...

M&T Bank.. Bottom five stadium...

The fact that we don't have a team with ODB, Julio, Megatron, JJ Watt, Justin Houston, Luke K and others means Ozzie should be fired? Give me a break. Every team goes through down periods. If Ozzie was fired he'd be snatched up on the open market in less that 10 seconds NFL time. Same goes for Flacco, same goes for Harbs.

This thread is hilarious.

[D_UP]

Are the people in this giving their opinion crazy? Or are the people sitting on their high horse acting as if the people giving the opinion is beneath them crazy? Without opinion a message board doesn't exist. If you don't like the opinions being expressed in a thread then stop clicking on the thread. Smh

[rmcjacket23]

Are the people in this giving their opinion crazy? Or are the people sitting on their high horse acting as if the people giving the opinion is beneath them crazy? Without opinion a message board doesn't exist. If you don't like the opinions being expressed in a thread then stop clicking on the thread. Smh

Message boards also don't exist without being expressing their disagreement with people opinions...

[The Mom Gene]

Can we get back on topic, instead of trying to determine where we are going to send Wizard1?

[The Mom Gene]

M&T Bank.. Bottom five stadium...

The fact that we don't have a team with ODB, Julio, Megatron, JJ Watt, Justin Houston, Luke K and others means Ozzie should be fired? Give me a break. Every team goes through down periods. If Ozzie was fired he'd be snatched up on the open market in less that 10 seconds NFL time. Same goes for Flacco, same goes for Harbs.

This thread is hilarious.

Exactly, And people don't get how they got those picks....  They had to bottom out to get those  top picks.... Like Atlanta who went 2-14.  Detroit 0-16, etc.

[redrum52]

Exactly, And people don't get how they got those picks.... They had to bottom out to get those top picks.... Like Atlanta who went 2-14. Detroit 0-16, etc.

Exaclty. Then there's the fact that you JJ Watts and Julio Jones don't just grow on trees. You could have a top 10 pick for next 7-10 years and still not find players of their caliber.

 

[Winchester]

When perriman/Fat max are mediocre or total busts the excuse makers for oz are going to have to get creative.... Popcorn anybody??

[redrum52]

When perriman/Fat max are mediocre or total busts the excuse makers for oz are going to have to get creative.... Popcorn anybody??

And if you're wrong?

[Winchester]

And if you're wrong?

Then I'm wrong. Rub it in, call me what you want and remind me as many times as you would like.

[redrum52]

Then I'm wrong. Rub it in, call me what you want and remind me as many times as you would like.

Didn't expect that response. Wouldn't di it anyway.

For Max, I think he can be a good TE, but they usually take a year or 2 to really develop and Perriman hasn't played 1 meaningful snap as a pro. My point is at least give 2 years before you label them. It's not even half way through the season. Hell, Dickson looked good his first year with us and look how that turned out .

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Pitta did nothing his rookie year

Crockett didn't do much either

[52520Andrew]

the dead money and the REACH some teams made for these guys hurt us

Yeah dead money has been killer, I don't think we would be talking about it as much without the Rice situation though although Ngata has a lot himself. Just comes from trying to fit in as many FAs as possible by backloading contracts which is ironic since us not doing that is what a good chunk of the complaints on here are about.

[Winchester]

Exactly, And people don't get how they got those picks....  They had to bottom out to get those  top picks.... Like Atlanta who went 2-14.  Detroit 0-16, etc.

That is why you trade up. Maybe not into top 10 picks but top15 and gm trust his judgement that trading away picks that yield role players will yield a game changer. Every body has acknowledged those players are hard to find, essential for a championship and mostly come in top20 picks. So how can anybody applaud Ozzie for being conservative and not aggressively replacing our impact players. Oz has not found an impact bargain in years and years. Allen Robinson and randy Gregory should have been the picks over jernigan and fat max.

[Dewy101]

I just don't understand how we passed on Byron Jones, Ronald Darby, and Quintin Rollins? If perriman doesn't come out of the gate and outperform those picks. We really have to question what is going on in the front office

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

 stop calling him fat Maxx. He's not even fat. Terrance Cody was fat. TEs rarely produce big their rookie years.

And Jernigan has had his moments. And I'd honestly have both of ours long term over. Simply because... Well Gregory handy done too much yet and while I like Allen Robinson Jernigan is pretty good too.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

More importantly, trading up could screw you over long term. Falcons struggled for awhile after getting Julio because of a total lack of depth

[rmcjacket23]

That is why you trade up. Maybe not into top 10 picks but top15 and gm trust his judgement that trading away picks that yield role players will yield a game changer. Every body has acknowledged those players are hard to find, essential for a championship and mostly come in top20 picks. So how can anybody applaud Ozzie for being conservative and not aggressively replacing our impact players. Oz has not found an impact bargain in years and years. Allen Robinson and randy Gregory should have been the picks over jernigan and fat max.

To move from the back 20s (mostly where we pick) into the top 15 is likely to cost you at least an additional first round pick. So cool, you got a good player, but you won't be getting one the next season.

 

Hindsight is easy for fans. Obvious to say who you would pick when you already seen how they perform. Most pointless aspect of being a fan.

[darklight1216]

More importantly, trading up could screw you over long term. Falcons struggled for awhile after getting Julio because of a total lack of depth

And he is actually good. Just imagine if you give up the farm for someone like RGIII. It's better, imho, to just strike out on Matt Elam and try again next year.

[rmcjacket23]

You really think a one team 60 year old GM with and old school technique is going to have owners beating a path to his door?

 

The game has changed. Its not a game Oz is completely in tune with.

Its changed... more towards Ozzie's style. If you notice, most of the successful teams in this league currently operate under an eerily similar philosophy that the Ravens do.

[Guest]

Its changed... more towards Ozzie's style. If you notice, most of the successful teams in this league currently operate under an eerily similar philosophy that the Ravens do.

 

No comment upon that, but I also believe this is Oz's last year. It's like being the mayor of a city for over 20 years.  There just comes a saturation point and its Time for a Change.

 

Oz commented after the Championship he was staying on to leave the team in good shape. This will be three years past time.

 

Give the man his golden watch Steve B and send him on a pleasant cruise.

[rmcjacket23]

No comment upon that, but I also believe this is Oz's last year. It's like being the mayor of a city for over 20 years.  There just comes a saturation point and its Time for a Change.

 

Oz commented after the Championship he was staying on to leave the team in good shape. This will be three years past time.

 

Give the man his golden watch Steve B and send him on a pleasant cruise.

1. Of course there's no comment, because I'm right, otherwise there would be a comment on it. Saying that Ozzie's tactics are outdated doesn't pass the smell test, because you already know that many of the teams that are good every year are using the same tactics. So we know its not the tactics.

 

2. If Ozzie is done, it wil be because he wants to be done. Nobody realistically thinks he's getting fired or being asked to resign. Really isn't any justifiable reason to think that.

 

2-3 years of losing? Sure, valid conversation. 

[K-Dog]

If OZ isn't gone along with Trestman and Pees at the end of the year then I will catch the next plane out of the country!

Pics or it didnt happen.

[Winchester]

To move from the back 20s (mostly where we pick) into the top 15 is likely to cost you at least an additional first round pick. So cool, you got a good player, but you won't be getting one the next season.

 

Hindsight is easy for fans. Obvious to say who you would pick when you already seen how they perform. Most pointless aspect of being a fan.

And he is actually good. Just imagine if you give up the farm for someone like RGIII. It's better, imho, to just strike out on Matt Elam and try again next year.

Of course you never trade up for a qb more known for running. Especially 3 round1 picks!!lol And no it is not better to keep striking out on Matt elams, upshaw,Cody's, and perriman. That is why the team is so terrible!! Even the so called "Hits" have not been game changer spectacular!! Jimmy Smith and Mosley. Not saying trade 2 round1 picks to move up. But a round2 pick in most cases will get you into the top16. It is about making small moves to move up several spots to get a player your organization believes in. Not just waiting for the hat to get to you and grab whatever name is in the hat!! That is why the team is so terrible. And fans are trying to pimp mediocre players as gems. Like the fans who truly believed aiken and brown were starter caliber. Starter caliber if you want a 1-5 team maybe. Not a championship contender!! Oz has been way to conservative. This team would look much better with Harrison Smith and Deandre Hopkins over busts like Elam and Scrubshaw. How much would it have cost to trade up for Hopkins or Dez Bryant or Gronk?? Oz is not even playing the drafts strengths. 2014 and this draft was the time to draft WRs early and double up on WRs. BTW hindsight is Ozzie's job!! Drafting fat max over Gregory Darby or Lockett is a mistake. As is drafting perriman over trading up for a more solid pick. Ozzie's drafting lately has been loaded with busts while overlooking impact players. BTW my uncle is the scout. I do not claim to be a pro scout in any way!! When players I like in the draft are consistently far better than Ozzie's picks are, it means his drafting is awfully terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW how many here is aware the ravens wanted Dez and Gronk?? But the so called wizards act was out performed by the cowboys and patriots because conservative Ozzie did not want part with a mid round pick to trade up. Biscotti had to order him to trade up to secure Flacco!! This myth/excuse it takes an extra round1 pick to move up several to 10 spots on the board is just another excuse to defend Ozzie. The excuses for ozzie far outnumber ozzies successes lately!!