[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Browns

[DrinkmoreBeer]

Turn out the lights, the party's over. Not only won't they make the playoffs, but looking at the rest of their schedule, they won't finish over .500. My prediction: 6-10. That's what you get when you have a D that makes every QB look like Aaron Rodgers. Heck, Ron Jaworski could put up 300 yards on this pathetic secondary.

[boldtown]

the fat lady is signing. the lights are dimming down. major changes are required and baltimore has no money to do it. a shake up in the front office and coaching staff is needed.

[boldtown]

funny thing....if the game was 3 1/2 qtrs long the ravens would be undefeated. what changes in the final 7-8 minutes is what rips your heart out.

[ReginaldColeman1]

It's no joke when the Cleveland Browns QB is on the front page of the NY Times! The Times last covered a story of the Browns much less on the front page .... never.

[TheRavengers]

Okay if you don't want to blame Pees just consider this...the Ravens loose to a 1-3 Browns team at home and McCown throws for 457yds. Enough said.

That makes it much worse. If it was Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc throwing like that then sure that's kinda understandable.

 

We're talking about a guy who's on his 10th team since 2002.

[TheRavengers]

Our D use to take pride in itself, Ray would have been in people faces screaming.

 

I imagine Ray is watching TV and pulling his hair out as we speak.

[Dorota]

How old an inexperienced is Babin to be able to afford penalties like that? One cost us a touchdown. Browns would have punted if the penalty didn't give them a 1st down. I'll take the occasional error from a rookie, but Babin should know better. Za'Darius Smith over him anytime. The defense was sad to watch yesterday. A bright light out there was Jimmy Smith, who seemed to be where needed. What is it about our inside linebackers that made them look bad yesterday? Both Mosley and D. Smith are very smart players with quick wits and good tacklers. However, I've noticed a while back D. Smith isn't very fast. He gets beat on man-to-man. Seemed to me that was the problem with Mosley yesterday too. What's your take on it?

 

As to offense, I like the way Trestman utilizes Juice, I like to see some fullback action and I've been noticing him the past two weeks doing good things. I like the way he hits even when he's carrying the ball. This one was on special teams, but I remember a similar one his rookie year, also against the Browns special team, that left the defender wobbling and falling over. Just a shame we didn't use our tight ends more yesterday. We have good ones that are physical and both Boyle and Williams have good hands. They had a quiet day on catches last night. But was glad to see they both did their job blocking.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Dorota

[ravlivie]

Pees has to go, Harbaugh should not hire friends. Pees has backs playing 10 to 15 yrds off receivers. Very little pass rush if any. Score 30 points & st.ill can't win a game Pees

should not be in NFL - same scheme every game Harbaugh can't be so stupid as to not see

whats goirg on. Thanks to Pees there is no such thing as play like a raven

[Dorota]

The way things are going, play-offs are very unlikey for Ravens unless they win the rest and they can't do that unless they fix things. Defense, really? It's not funny. Offense has managed to put scores on the board even with Smith Sr, Campanaro, Perrimann, Gilmore and Taliaferro out. 30 points should be enough to win a game.

[ReginaldColeman1]

Speaking of Waller's block in the back I never understand what is going through a players head when they do that. The ref is watching the ball carrier so it's the focus of attention. It's like when u shove a guy further when he's already out of bounds. Isn't knowing where u are on the field a precise detail drilled into your mind from the first day you play a sport. You'll never see Steph Curry take a step back out of bounds. Never. And those late hits on the QB? Do they think they're sending a message? As for Babin? If I were a wagerer I'd say he's packing up as we speak. The rest is just sore gums pouring over the same mindless incidentals on a team which is run by a businessman who has no business owning a football franchise.

[BigUgly]

Pees is like Greg Mattison without the imagination. Yikes. He got lucky in 2012 with some playmakers who stepped up and an offense that got hot in the playoffs. Maybe his scheme works if you have pro-bowlers in their prime at every position. Since that isn't likely, we need a new guy with a new scheme. Also need someone who can coach the secondary not to be confused about assignments, who can coach guys to stay onsides and not make stupid penalties, who can teach proper coverage techniques, and who can ensure the defense can actually tackle a ballcarrier when they get to them.

[Zeus]

Jaguars at home, week 10 coming off a bye. ... Maybe.

Remember the last time we played the Jags with a healthy team on Monday night?

[KidNme]

Ya, more than once, I saw our 2ndary look confused. Folks didn't know where to line up!

It looks like everyone has been playing Madden all off season then, were told they had to put on pads and play for real! With all 4 of our allotted losses already done, the only way to make the playoffs is to run the table and there's no way in Hades that's happening.

I think now is the time for Ozzie to stop giving away draft pics for discarded players this year. There is no one we can bring in that will fix our issues so the next 10 games should be resume games for the players we have on the roster as well as our PS squad. Let's see who wants to play and who CAN play, keep those 3 guys and rebuild the rest of the team. (Everyone under 30 with no prior surgeries, prosthetics or having been cut from a bottom dweller team please!!!)

[purpledown]

dont know where the Ravens next win is coming from. SF is going to be tough next weekend. They lose a key player each week, no depth. It may be time to start thinking about draft position.

[omar586]

Pees will b fired 2day, i can feel it guys. Harb will not let this cheesy D cost us games like that.

[January J]

I have two thoughts- fire pees. Release Baboon.

[January J]

Oh yeah , give up on marlon brown. He's had enough chances.

[Puntit]

It would be nice if we could just right the ship by firing Pees. But from what I saw the plays weren't the problem. The execution was the problem. If our secondary can't or won't tightly cover the likes of Benjamin, Hawkins and some second tier tight end, that's on them, not Pees. He wasn't saying "that's your man, make sure you give him room to catch the ball". And if our rushing pressure without Suggs let guys like McCown and Carr get real comfortable in the pocket, I'm not sure that's on Pees either. He's calling rush plays, and they aren't giving the effort needed to hurry these guys. Mosley and Smith are supposed to be doing on field communication to adjust on the fly and Mosley in particular seemed lost and out of position that whole game. I'd love it to all be on Pees, as that's easy to fix, but I see a team of guys content to play a few quarters of football and phone in the rest. It's like Suggs went down and the D said "ah well, we can win next year". It's an attitude problem. Lots of guys happy to be on the team.

Right now I don't like our chances even against the Jags, another team with a QB no worse than Clevelands, a good TE and that doesn't rely on the run (the only thing our D seems to know how to stop). Right now SF is the weakest looking team on our schedule and I don't think we can fix things (or Forsett) in time to give them a game.

So in short, firing Pees won't fix things. Bringing in someone better next year is fine but we aren't going anyplace with the talent we have even if we got Rex or Pags back. A good draft, along with some team leaders might. I actually think anyone playing like they are just happy to have a Job in the NFL should be shown the door. A few sacrificial lambs to make people afraid for their jobs would go a long way with this team, who look way way way too comfortable shrugging off an overtime loss. I don't want guys giving interviews where they say "this one is on the D", "we have to execute better". I don't want to see guys in a rush to trade jerseys with opponents after the games. I want to see guys pissed off, throwing Gatorade jars and screaming at each other. I want to see guys on defense with Steve Smith mouths. There's no fire here.

So don't worry about Pees. Even with better play calling we are going to lose every game with our personnel playing with the attitude "win or lose I'm still living the dream".

[jlahman]

Get rid of Tressle!

[Bruce_Almty]

Ken McKusick, over on RSR, said it...time for live fire experience for the young Ravens on both offense and defense. Play Brooks, Walker, Melvin. Give Upshaw max snaps and see what he can do along with significant playing time for ZSmith, ZOrr, ArtBrown & CarlDavis. Use the remaining games to develop the young TE/WRs. Let them develop or fail on the field. Let Babin sit along with Canty, Daryl Smith and Steve Smith. Harbaugh is learning nothing by playing the over-the-hill-gang the remainder of this season.

[bioLarzen]

Actually, this loss might be more beneficial on the long run than a W would have been. In fact, in more ways:

 

1.) the false hopes of making the playoffs will die at last - the chances of which, lets be honest here - were essentially over after the 0-3 start. Not because I'm a hater, not because a 0-3 start in itself is prohibitive - but because this team is simply not playoff caliber, not a team that could right the ship midway, not a team that could win enough of the remaining 13 games to make the playoffs. If we were 2-3 now, most fanst would be pretty sure we will eventually make it. No, we still wouldn't. No way that this team could beat the Cardinals, the Bengals, the Seahawaks, the Chargers - not even the Steelers with a healthy Roethlisberger. And even if we win the "winnable" games, a 9-7 season would be nowhere enough to make the playoffs - and a 9-7 is still an optimistic prediction. Nope, this is simply not a playoff strength roster - partly because of the key injuries, partly because the healthy players can't seem to step their games up. And, if we are really honest, we must not forget that if Roethlisberger didn't get injured the week bnefore our game, we would now probably be 0-5... At least that false sense of hope will go away now and we can openly talk about a botched season even if we're barely past the qrater-distance mark. Yep, it sucks to see our team lose, it sucks to think about that the next meaningful Ravens-game will probably not happen until a little less than a year - Week#1 of next season - but honesty is still the best policy.

 

2.) if we accept that we're not gonna make the playoffs this season, the more games we lose the better draft position we will have. I've always been of the opinion that an awful season every now and then is by no means a tragedy in the NFL - quite the opposite: just like some plant types need a devastating forest fire time to time to stay prolific, NFL rosters need a bad season to get strong again, time to time. That's how the NFL is built. Sad of course, but from now on the more games we lose the better (not as if we should be rooting against us in any games, of course...). Just like the Colts were rejuvenated and rebooted by a disastrous season ultimately giving them Luck, Fleener, Hilton and some more servicable players, we can just as well turn a "tragedy" into a long time success. Because this roster needs some overhaul. We got some key pieces in place, but we also miss some key pieces badly. I think this roster is beyond the point where simple free agency moves and one or two good draft picks plus one or two good undrafted rookie pickups can fix it. At some points we need major channges - and a good draft where we pick early is a great way to start. And Ozzie & DeCosta showed us what they can do when they pick "high", in 2014. Now, imagine if instead of #17, we pick at around #10 - or even higher... We could get 5-6 future starters... Not a guarantee, of course - but picking around #10 still gives us a much better chance than picking around #20... So, instead of the "Suck for Luck" campaign, we now should hope for the "suck for the future Ravens" campaign.

 

3.) A bad season might bring out the problems that were so far swept under the carpet and be at last dealt with. Someone once said that the worst thing that can happen to a large company is continued success - because when success lasts, companies tend to sweep the "minor" problems under the carpet, until the carpet looks like a mountain and can cover the heap of problems no more. And every company has minor problems. And, since an NFL franchise is a company, I'm more than sure that every one of them - including our Baltimore Ravens - have that certain carpet with the minor issues under it. Maybe our carpet has reached its covering limit now... Maybe it's the perfect time to deal with them: any organizational problems and imperfections that we, simple fans may be completely unaware of, but still exist. An unsuccessful season - especially for a generally successful organization - may be a great opportunity to start or make a bit more than minor adjustments... Maybe the "shelf life" of this or that coach is over and should be replaced... maybe this or that member of the management or executive staff no longer does a good enough job... Now, if we really finish like we've started the season, it may be the perfect time to make the necessary realignments...

 

So, my Ravens-fan brothers and sisters, believe me: it's not all THAT bad if we don't win too many games THIS SEASON. Yep, it's not at all happy stuff - but there definitely is a silver lining here.

[The Mom Gene]

Bio...  while I would agree...  with the injured players on the field, we definitely ARE a playoff team.    Just sayin!

[whobilly]

Well said bioLarzen. I usually don't read long comments but your points are just honest.

Sometimes a Company/Team has to see and hear what they don't want to see and hear to get better.

[Crusader]

Face it Ravens have a bad team wit out a clue of how to fix it Bad draft picks and bad decisions that will take years to fix and taking so much time to fix the issue allow others issues to develop.

[Crusader]

Ozzie has not been picking very good players with his first round for years. What you will see is who wants to play.

[RaRaRavens]

The Browns were ripped all offseason for having their worst cast of playmakers in the NFL, so how do you explain giving up 505 total yards? Answer is Pees! The Ravens are 1-4 for that reason.

[ahahahaaha]

Ouch.....

That loss hurt

yup, its how we steelers fan felt last week. i feel your guys pain, believe me when i say the steelers been in this boat before. Dont be so down on your team though. Threy are in the games they lose.  its not like there getting blown out every game. Flacco needs more weapons and the defense needs to hold on to 4th quarter leads.

good luck- a steeler fan

[shiri2]

ahahahahaah? It's tough when you see ya team lose game after game after game, and you're use to winning those gamees. We're not tough anymore. The Browns showed their toughness yesterday, when they knocked one of our guys out of the game...them fools were hitting. If we had Ray Lewis & company on the team we would retaliated and knocked somebody's helmet off. We're playing like the Jacquars, man!

[PurpleRainBlackVeins]

My five thoughts:

1. This is the team Harbaugh wanted. Lack of discipline, no vocal leaders, yes men. I hope he's happy

2. Dealing with an inconsistent offense is one thing, we're use to it. But when the very thing we pride ourselves on the most is down right atrocious...HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM!! This defense has been leaking since Pees got here and instead of taking a Marcus Peters or someone similar we opt to go with another patchwork secondary that got embarrassed last season. Way to do Ozzie!

3. I've seen enough of Marlon Brown. Dude has apparently forgot how to catch a ball. This give a guy a million chances to step up routine is a disgrace to this fan base. Another one of Harbaugh's good old philosophies.

4. Some of these players are down right stealing money at this point. Heck even some of these coordinators. I can call a better defensive game plan better than Pees. He MUST go!

5. Watching the press conferences are even more insulting to the fans. Every Sunday it's "we have to execute better, we have to have a short memory and move on" nonchalant attitudes. This is one of the reasons why we're losing. Nobody seems to care anymore

[Crusader]

When Ravens had vocal leaders they were let go.