[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Browns

[picke]

And we had 10 days to prepare for this mess? If you and I are asking this question, you know that so is Mr. Steve Bisciotti.

[LNB]

i can see PEEs getting fired after this performance from his unit.

We can always hope so.  

He watched that Browns TE beating CJ all game and never made an adjustment to help him out.  It was clear the TE (sorry, don't remember the name) was McCown's favorite target, and a Linebacker on a good TE is just not a fair matchup.  Another situation like the three-man rush - it took him two losses to quit calling that play.  He may be a good coach, but he doesn't seem willing/able to make adjustments in game situations.

[Weave]

Unfortunately the salary cap prevented us from upgrading the secondary as much as needed - instead opting for what we could afford. With no pass rush - the QB's have too much time and with our secondary - they are lighting us up. Apparently Suggs was the entire pass rush. Our line is good defending the run - but w/o a decent pass rush it isn't given much credit. I can remember the early years when Vinny Testaverde was QB - the offense was putting up a very healthy # of points - just to lose the game in the end. That forced Ozzie to go on an almost exclusive defense building binge in the draft. This year reminds me a LOT of those times. Ozzie had to concentrate on defense w/ the draft for 2-3 years to change that......and that's probably what we're looking at now...2-3 years of struggle while we rebuild the defense. Frustrating - but after so many years winning I knew eventually the fall apart & rebuild phase would probably hit us. I guess it starts now.

[Wildabeast88]

My 5 thoughts. Pees needs to go. We need an emotional leader SSS is the only person that plays with any fire. We need discipline absolute bonehead penalties at Inopportune times. Can we please put Will Hill on the TE he shut own Jimmy Graham last year and now he's nowhere near the TE. Can we do some talking drills or the secondary I have a 7 year old on the team I coach that is a better tackler than some of these guys. Hello top 10 pick pass rusher round 1 WR round 2 please and thank you.

[NCMan]

Marlon Brown is a waste of a roster spot. He's had way more than enough chances. Cut him. We really should be 0-5 and would be if Pittsburgh had their QB playing. It's just not our year. 'Nuff said.

[ravenwildman]

How many yards has the Defense given up in 5 games? Yeah, there is the problem. Even with injuries, it shouldn't be this bad. The Browns TE's walked all over the Defense. Somebody needs to shake something up on defense, or plan for next year's draft in the top 5 area. Always a Ravens fan, but come on guys!.....GO RAVENS!

[Puntit]

@Dewy101 -- I'm not sure saying it's Pees job to make the defensive players do their job. He is responsible for drawing up plays, putting the right personnel on the field, but if they don't make the play or make bonehead penalties, his only recourse is to pull them and put someone else in. And I think that's what we've been seeing with the demotion of Melvin, with players like Guy getting more playing time, maybe even the impetus of Ozzie going out to get Davis. But you can't win a game when guys are happy to phone it in. Maybe McCown is an amazing QB, and merited a 450 yard game. But more likely we have a few guys who are content just playing on an NFL team and not playing like it's their last shot at a ring.

[Wildabeast88]

Unfortunately the salary cap prevented us from upgrading the secondary as much as needed - instead opting for what we could afford. With no pass rush - the QB's have too much time and with our secondary - they are lighting us up. Apparently Suggs was the entire pass rush. Our line is good defending the run - but w/o a decent pass rush it isn't given much credit. I can remember the early years when Vinny Testaverde was QB - the offense was putting up a very healthy # of points - just to lose the game in the end. That forced Ozzie to go on an almost exclusive defense building binge in the draft. This year reminds me a LOT of those times. Ozzie had to concentrate on defense w/ the draft for 2-3 years to change that......and that's probably what we're looking at now...2-3 years of struggle while we rebuild the defense. Frustrating - but after so many years winning I knew eventually the fall apart & rebuild phase would probably hit us. I guess it starts now.

The 2 previous years 2013 2014 we went round 1,2,and3 on defense there is no excuse. Pees needs to stop with the corners playing 10 yards off mediocre QBs look like Peyton Manning yes we need pass rush but we have lost 4th qtr leads vs NE Den Oak Cin and Clev and multiple leads in several of those any decent QB sees this and 5yards us to death it's sad

[roamingcharges]

The bottom line is Dean Pees is no NFL caliber Defensive Coordinator. I have said it several times; this team has no Ray Lewis, Ed Reed or Terrell Suggs to cover up for the coaching and play-calling deficiencies of the coaching staff. If you want evidence then answer this question: Who is the weak link on this Defense? Nobody in particular. The team just plays poorly despite the solid talent strewn all across the Defense. It's time for Harbaugh to make that change again-- this time on Defense (might be too late actually but better late than never).

[Baller MD]

everything is definitely not on pees. Part of it is definitely the players. When legends like ray and reed were here and even suggs, players wanted to push their limits for them and show them how good they can be. Players had a passion to play. Now, it's like they aren't even trying. Only a few give their all such as brandon williams and the tight ends. Also, a problem on offense is definitely flacco. I have seen brown get open quite a few times now in several games yet flacco never looks his way and then gets sacked like an idiot. And many times he throws the ball too high even with perfect protection. I really have to wonder why this is happening *sigh*. At least we aren't the lions or san fran

 

Hey, while you're joking about SF, we have the same number of wins as they do.  And with the way our secondary has been getting ate up this year by mediocre QBs, Kaepernick just might look like the 2nd coming of Joe Montana next week.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Baller MD

[Puntit]

Who is the weak link on defense? Honestly it was a team effort. I saw no standout performers this week. Mosley was constantly out of position. Smith and Hill were non factors. The rest of the corners apparently couldn't tackle and played poor coverage against WRs who weren't exactly Josh Gordon caliber. From the box stats, our best defensive lineman today was apparently some guy named, appropriately, Guy. I'd love to peg it all on Pees so we can fix it easily, but I think he's as frustrated with some of these clowns for lack if execution as we are. This is going to take a few years to fix because it will require upgrading a lot of the defense around very few building blocks. Very good news for Suggs if he hopes to return next year -- we've got nobody else that can bring what he brought to the table.

[Ravens530]

Well, I'd say playoffs are officially out. Pees has to go, defense has no identity, I don't even know who these guys are. It is clear without Lewis, Reed, Suggs and other greats to cover up for deficiencies this unit cannot cut it. Whoever they are, they need to go back and really study and learn what it means to Play Like a Raven. Loss is on them completely, score 30 at home should equal win, especially against Cleveland. Another shovel goes to Harbaugh for playing for the tie on the last possession of regulation...true Harbaugh poor coaching fashion. My silver lining: With the season looking like one of the worst in a decade, perhaps my wait list number will move this off season by more than only 40 spots.

[OzzieBisciotti]

We can blame Pees, but I think some blame has to go to Ozzie as well- I don't have anything out for the man, but he's not drafted well recently. If Pees had better corners and better safeties (Will Hill is the only good player and Jimmy Smith is not a shut down corner), then maybe we don't have to play so far off the WRs or play zone. Everyone and their mother knew CB was a big issue for us last year and this year, yet Ozzie did nothing about it. Also, he did nothing with our WRs as well. He probably thought we had stud WRs since they were beating up our scrub corners- that's the most hilarious part about this fiasco of a season. Oz needs to stop drafting TEs, lineman, and linebackers and instead draft some CBs with the first or second round pick. I'm glad for once this past year that he didn't take anyone from his alma mater, Bama.

[Jim Giampaoli]

Vick saved us from the 0-5. We saw this coming during the preseason. So why so shocked. We have no backups covering for the 1st. team: Mostly rookies and waning veterans on

their last legs. This nightmare will raise it's ugly head for the remainder of the season. So why be shocked. Our FO threw out Boldin. That raised eye brows; and then Torry and Jacoby. Now our illustrious FO has to go into the marketplace to pickup rejects and retreads. Every team deals with injuries. You're right, John. We are not a playoff-caliber team right now. hopefully in a few years after major changes. Not just retooling, but a major overhaul.

[jackrogers]

I think it is testament to the strength of the Ravens that they had an opportunity to win at the end. Most teams suffering the kind of adversity the Ravens have suffered wouldn't have been able to be competitive. No team in the NFL could compete if ten of their best players and play makers were sitting on the bench due to injury. I agree that losing is a team effort as much as winning, and it is true that if the team were a bit more disciplined they might have pulled out a miracle win. There is however such a thing as legitimate excuses and legitimate handicaps that can't be overcome.

[MarioDrama]

This team is no where close to being playoff caliber. Playoff caliber teams don't lose to the Raiders and Browns. Realistically this team can still make the playoffs as a wild card at maybe 9-7, 10-6, but I can't see the Ravens getting over 5 wins. Defence is playing so poorly, and a huge part is Pees, but how do you give up an L to a team with no proven receivers and a journeyman TE with McCown at helm looking like a Pro Bowler? I had high hopes heading into this year, but if the train is going off the tracks like this, just derail it and get a good pick. Come back for next year.

[law215]

1. Why keep Pees one minute longer? Either he can%u2019t evaluate talent to bring in or he can%u2019t effectively use what he has. Either way, it%u2019 pass time for him to go. Defense is getting worse every year no matter who OZ brings in

2. Lack of leadership. Vets like Babin making costly mistakes. Stupid penalties. It%u2019s the 5th game. Are players listening to the coaches? Where is the player%u2019s leadership? I %u2018m not expecting Ray Lewis 2.0 but there are heavy pockets on this team. Play like a leader and show leadership.

3. Time to light a fire under coaches, and front office. Too many players making money while injured, too many CBs, Wrs not developing, too many misses with high draft picks, too many guys with big contracts under achieving. You can%u2019t build a championship team with undrafted free agents and players past there prime. Bad Coaching and lack of talent equals 1-4. We may be 0-5 is Steelers kicker wasn%u2019t such a loser.

4. Teams have figured the Ravens out. We draft big slow players on defense. They spread us out and we are too slow to cover in space and pursue to tackle. Playing 10 yards off the ball does not help when you are slow. When the journeyman QBs torch your defense, what would happen if in the playoffs. We need speed and agility on defense.

5. On a positive note: Consistency of Aiken who made plays on Haden ( a quality CB), O-line was good enough and Foresett had another 100 yard game, Gilmore, William and Boyle are solid TEs, and Buck Allen show explosiveness. Defensively : Hill, Brooks, Mosely, Jernigan, Davis, Williams, J Smith are good players that were highly regarding by scouts and NFL analyst. If only the coaching staff on defense put them in position. Rex, Pagano, Lebeau, Williams (ie a good coach) would have these guys hunting.

[Puntit]

To be fair neither Torrey smith nor Jacoby Jones is having the kind of season that would merit the kind of money they are currently getting.( Nor is Ngata.) We would be no better off with those guys. The $ going to Ray Rice and Pitta kind of hurt, and Perriman and his mysterious knee injury left us holding the bag a bit. But again, offense isn't why we lost these games -- 30 points has to be enough to win, period. If your defense routinely let's the other team put up more than 30 points, you won't win many (any) games.

[EliteRavens]

Penalties along with bad defensive scheme these past few games. SIGH

[balfan23]

While the defense is certainly the focal point of this loss, the statement John is making about the penalties needs to be further emphasized. The penalties he cited were very bad, but early on, we had two penalties that could have prevented us from making this game lopsided.

 

One was the roughing the passer call. Granted, it wasn't as egregious as Jernigans in OAK, but it was a penalty. We FINALLY get a turnover, but no ... undisciplined play cost us there. We did ultimately stop them, but gave up about 40 yards in field position in the process.

 

The other was the illegal block in the back by Waller. We get 9 yards on a first down and then get a run stuffed then we get a 10 yard penalty to push us back and force a long FG. Tucker is awesome, but human. That kick is probably good if we don't push the ball back. Instead of scoring, CLE gets the ball back and scores themselves.

 

IMO this is on the HC . I would put players on notice that, if they are called for a penalty that is a clear case of undisciplined play - they will receive some form of discipline - either a fine or loss of playing time or something. These guys need to cut the crap cause it is killing us. 

[Crusader]

49ners will beat the Ravens Why you ask? 49ners are at home, Justin Forsett will most likely not play, we have rookies in secondary, Ravens will not handle running QB that very fast, 49ners have two very fast running backs Reggie Brooks & Carlos Hyde, Bolden & Torrey,and the revenge game.

[bmoraven]

1. Defense lost the Game, but the offense blew a chance to Win the game. 2. Please coach these guys to line up ONSIDES. 3. We are giving away our home field advantage, HUGE 4. Were not creating anything on Defense or Special teams, which has always been the key to winning for Baltimore 5. Time for GM and Ownership to make some changes not to rescue this season, but to rescue the next 2 seasons

[Fastynart]

When are the Ravens going to start spending time, effort, and money, to upgrade this awful defense? Instead of worrying about some speedy wide receiver, when scoring over 30 points twice and losing, concentrate on where the breakdown is. I was one of the few mad dog mad when the Ravnes took Perriman. Where is he? What difference would it have made to have him against Oakland or Cleveland? The guy milks whatever mysterious injury he has and the Ravens make excuses. Terrible pick, once again tossing away a number 1.

[Baller MD]

We can blame Pees, but I think some blame has to go to Ozzie as well- I don't have anything out for the man, but he's not drafted well recently. If Pees had better corners and better safeties (Will Hill is the only good player and Jimmy Smith is not a shut down corner), then maybe we don't have to play so far off the WRs or play zone. Everyone and their mother knew CB was a big issue for us last year and this year, yet Ozzie did nothing about it. Also, he did nothing with our WRs as well. He probably thought we had stud WRs since they were beating up our scrub corners- that's the most hilarious part about this fiasco of a season. Oz needs to stop drafting TEs, lineman, and linebackers and instead draft some CBs with the first or second round pick. I'm glad for once this past year that he didn't take anyone from his alma mater, Bama.

 

I agree that Ozzie's judgement with draft picks has been less than impressive lately (and that's putting it nicely) but he did try to address WR issues by getting Perriman first round this year... Who knew the kid would get hurt before even training camp and that his injury would sideline him this long?  Not Ozzie's fault.  I definitely was surprised though that he didn't address the CB problem.  That said, my bigger issue with Ozzie is you let quality players like Boldin walk yet you sign Pitta to such a long and expensive contract (5-year $32 million) after a major hip injury?  Seems a bit risky .  These types of moves are just mind-boggling.. 

[Puntit]

While we need to try to salvage this season, as the trade deadline approaches and it becomes likely more clear we aren't going to make much noise this year, I hope like bmoraven suggests Ozzie takes a hard look at who we might not be able to resign for the right money and gets good value for them. I think we will be rebuilding this coming March and I don't want more than one season behind the Browns in the standings.

[riseNConquer81]

The bottom line is Dean Pees is no NFL caliber Defensive Coordinator. I have said it several times; this team has no Ray Lewis, Ed Reed or Terrell Suggs to cover up for the coaching and play-calling deficiencies of the coaching staff. If you want evidence then answer this question: Who is the weak link on this Defense? Nobody in particular. The team just plays poorly despite the solid talent strewn all across the Defense. It's time for Harbaugh to make that change again-- this time on Defense (might be too late actually but better late than never).

i am so sick of the "fire pees" brigade.

none of you guys make any sense. Its not Pees' fault our defense plays like trash.

you make all this noise about how the play calling is supposely bad, yet i doubt you can even identify any of the plays the defense has run all year, even if only by concept.

you wanna know why you cant find a "weak link" on the defense? 2 reasons:

1) when a defense plays bad, it is NEVER a single players fault...so that reasoning combined with the idea that a top tier defense somehow stays top tier after you rip all the stars out of it, was flawed from the start.

2) the whole thing is lack luster.

Albert McClellan belongs no where but on special teams, Zadarius Smith is a rookie. Carl Davis is a rookie. Kyle Arrignton has never been that great. None of us even really knows what a Will Davis is. Webb just aint the same cat after tearing every ACL in a 50 mile radius. Babin is old and pointless, still dont know why he's even here. Lawrence Guy is a carer back up.

We have Mosley, Brandon Williams, Jimmy Smith, and Will Hill. That's really about it. The rest is just trying to keep its head above water.

Edited October 12, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[sami]

as for Marlon, its not easy to catch a ball thrown at your feet when youre 6'5". many times, MANY TIMES Marlon was open but joe either didn't see him or threw the ball low or late after his break when the defense had a chance to catch up to him. Joe underthrew or overthrew a lot of receivers today. All Joes fault? No cuz our routes STINK! And if youre gonna run the ball for one or two yards...SPREAD THE PLAYERS OUT! don't bunch everybody in one tiny area, especially near the goal line.

[TrooRavenFan]

These QBs been looking like hall of fame players against Pees defensive scheme

[Ravensfansince03]

This defense is an EMBARRASSEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ravensfansince03]

These QBs been looking like hall of fame players against Pees defensive scheme

 

They let the Browns throw for almost 500 yards!!!!!!!!!!!

 

They let ONE bengals receiver get 220+ yards!!!!!

 

They let a ROOKIE torch them in Oakland!!!

 

 

Im pissed right now beyond belief smh

Edited October 12, 2015 by Ravensfansince03