2016 free agency

[allblackraven]

I'm pretty confident Vincent Jackson will get released. He had a down season last year which saw him catch 2TD passes, not to mention Tampa Bay was shopping him last season and couldn't get anything. They kept him hoping he could keep Winston straight and hopefully re-surge, this was supposed to be his bounce back year as Tampa is hoping VJax would live up to that $55M contract again but he doesn't appear to be on that road. Quiet honestly he needs a new team. The Bucs have shown they can part ways with anyone. They did it to Michael Johnson one year into his contract and Darrelle Revis when he was only one year into his deal as well. I don't think Vincent Jackson will be back in Tampa. I'd love to have him here. 

 

I think he was joking tho. 

I thought at first he was joking, too but why add the Tucker bit then?

[allblackraven]

Where's ludy51 when you need him?

Haha, made my day.

[PurpleCity5]

I thought at first he was joking, too but why add the Tucker bit then?

Yeah lol I don't know. 

[thieverycorporation]

He is free agent after this season

No he's not because they own his rights as he didn't fulfill his contract via cba.

[GrimCoconut]

I would like us to take a look at Olivier Vernon if we want a free agent pass rusher. I've always liked him a lot. Maybe the Dolphins let him to due to the Suh deal.

[redrum52]

With the Zuttah restructure and Yanda signing, can someone give me an estimate of the cap space for next season?

[RavensRegime]

I was joking!!! But it would be amazing if we could sign all three. Tucker isnt going anywhere!

[Winchester]

I said this before the season began but was shot down because apparently we are deep at the position......right

All good ideas get shot down on this board. Because Ozzie and his flock apparently already have an all pro team. No room for real talent. As a matter of fact they are changing the ravens names to the Baltimore all pros!!

[allblackraven]

With the Zuttah restructure and Yanda signing, can someone give me an estimate of the cap space for next season?

Spotrac has us at just under $6M on estimated $150M salary cap. that includes Flacco at $28M, Senior at $4M, all other active contracts and dead money, so it's likely to be better when FA starts. There are some clear-cut candidates for release and additional savings

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Flacco is worth anywhere from $18 million to $20 million a year. As flawed as he his. We've already won a SB with him.

So I can see him taking a $10 million dollar pay cut. He's still making more this year if he does that. That's fair in my eyes. Afterwards you take out some bad contracts and you have some room to play around with to go get maybe KO back.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yeah. Give Flacco a 4 million dollar pay raise. That's more than fair in my eyes. And not utterly ridiculous. He's set to make $28 million and is making $14.5 million this year. That's pretty much doubling it. Which is well... Ridiculous. And a franchise QB is worth $18 million.

Flacco isn't a greedy type either. And $18 million a year is enough to set someone up for a lifetime of luxury.

That's the deal I think we give Flacco.

Cut candidates are

Canty Gets rid of $2 million

Forsett(doubtful though I'd cut him)$3 million

Webb $3 million

Dennis Pitta as a June 1st Cut saves roughly 5 million

Daryl Smith would save $3 million

So that's 16 million saved from cutting them. That's before you cut away some fat. If you get Flacco to go down to a total cap hit of $18 million, then you're talking about 26 million in cap space. Then SSR's money comes off the books so maybe..

Yeah we have some space to play with. We actually might be able to get KO and Tucker back. Then bargin buy from that point on.

[Winchester]

I assumed the process of elimination would be implied in my explanation, but by sheer virtue of having among the most pass rushing snaps in comparison to every linebacker in the NFL, he can't possibly be in coverage too frequently. Irvin hasn't spent more than 18.6% of his snaps in coverage in the last season and a half, and he averaged that number in his previous two. He's also had the least amount of snaps in coverage among all qualified players at his position in both 2014 and 2015 because his responsibilities vary significantly from one of a traditional nature. For example, Justin Houston, a 3-4 OLB, spent just under 15% of his snaps in coverage last season. Irvin and Houston rushed the passer on 42.6% and 43.7% of their snaps, a figure that is almost identical. In addition, Irvin's role hasn't been significantly augmented since after his rookie season, and it certainly doesn't differ much from what it was the year before, if at all. I personally don't recall a time when Irvin was forced to slim down, though I could be mistaken. However, you don't see many situations where a player is busted for PEDs while attempting to slim down, so he's very likely been looking to bump his weight up since at least the 2013 offseason. I see him more as a Swiss army knife, which I absolutely intend to be a compliment. But he's struggled to consistently bring the heat as a pass rusher despite the high volume of opportunities and the edge rushers around him suctioning attention away from him. It's hard to imagine that his production there would rise dramatically when he's the primary option.

That is actually a very intelligent response. How many snaps did he take?? I know he had 8 sacks as a rookie. And he has rare explosiveness that can not be taught. However as you brought up there is ped use which he claims is adderall. But he did lose weight and muscle tone. I really like him if he can play at his optimum weight of 260. Before his suspension I watched a game where he was unlockable. Not just his burst but he showed surprising power I never knew he had. If he can get to 260 lbs again I like his potential because the ravens do have stouter big body tackles to free him up for his charge to the qb. Whether Irvin or whomever, the ravens need a speed rusher!! That is why I say Randy Gregory should have been the round2 pick.

[Cillmatic]

Yeah. Give Flacco a 4 million dollar pay raise. That's more than fair in my eyes. And not utterly ridiculous. He's set to make $28 million and is making $14.5 million this year. That's pretty much doubling it. Which is well... Ridiculous. And a franchise QB is worth $18 million.

Flacco isn't a greedy type either. And $18 million a year is enough to set someone up for a lifetime of luxury.

That's the deal I think we give Flacco.

Cut candidates are

Canty Gets rid of $2 million

Forsett(doubtful though I'd cut him)$3 million

Webb $3 million

Dennis Pitta as a June 1st Cut saves roughly 5 million

Daryl Smith would save $3 million

So that's 16 million saved from cutting them. That's before you cut away some fat. If you get Flacco to go down to a total cap hit of $18 million, then you're talking about 26 million in cap space. Then SSR's money comes off the books so maybe..

Yeah we have some space to play with. We actually might be able to get KO and Tucker back. Then bargin buy from that point on.

Have him be consistent, then pay him like a franchise QB.. Flacco's the type of guy that will look decent one week and awful the next. Hardly ever accurate anyway. The worst case scenerio for a "franchise QB". He REALLY doesn't deserve a raise in my eyes, but yeah, I'm not a GM. Edited October 21, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Tru11]

Yeah. Give Flacco a 4 million dollar pay raise. That's more than fair in my eyes. And not utterly ridiculous. He's set to make $28 million and is making $14.5 million this year. That's pretty much doubling it. Which is well... Ridiculous. And a franchise QB is worth $18 million.

Flacco isn't a greedy type either. And $18 million a year is enough to set someone up for a lifetime of luxury.

That's the deal I think we give Flacco.

Cut candidates are

Canty Gets rid of $2 million

Forsett(doubtful though I'd cut him)$3 million

Webb $3 million

Dennis Pitta as a June 1st Cut saves roughly 5 million

Daryl Smith would save $3 million

So that's 16 million saved from cutting them. That's before you cut away some fat. If you get Flacco to go down to a total cap hit of $18 million, then you're talking about 26 million in cap space. Then SSR's money comes off the books so maybe..

Yeah we have some space to play with. We actually might be able to get KO and Tucker back. Then bargin buy from that point on.

 

forsett webb and smith are going to leave even bigger holes to fill though.

[Ravens2343]

forsett webb and smith are going to leave even bigger holes to fill though.

 

I wouldn't cut Forsett, he has looked pretty good this year.  Webb will be replaced by a free agent and a high draft pick most likely.  Daryl Smith would be the hardest to replace, but maybe a cheap aging free agent like Derrick Johnson would work while we work in a young draft pick or Arthur Brown.  A lot of tough decisions are going to have to be made this offseason, but with a potentially high draft pick and cap room I am excited for the changes.

[redrum52]

Spotrac has us at just under $6M on estimated $150M salary cap. that includes Flacco at $28M, Senior at $4M, all other active contracts and dead money, so it's likely to be better when FA starts. There are some clear-cut candidates for release and additional savings

Thanks. The cap estimates always seem to be lower than it really is too and I highly doubt Flacco's number stays at 28. We'll see.

[allblackraven]

Thanks. The cap estimates always seem to be lower than it really is too and I highly doubt Flacco's number stays at 28. We'll see.

Yep, Steve B. mentioned earlier this year that the realistic goal is to get Flacco's cap hit to 22-24.

[-Truth-]

That is actually a very intelligent response. How many snaps did he take?? I know he had 8 sacks as a rookie. And he has rare explosiveness that can not be taught. However as you brought up there is ped use which he claims is adderall. But he did lose weight and muscle tone. I really like him if he can play at his optimum weight of 260. Before his suspension I watched a game where he was unlockable. Not just his burst but he showed surprising power I never knew he had. If he can get to 260 lbs again I like his potential because the ravens do have stouter big body tackles to free him up for his charge to the qb. Whether Irvin or whomever, the ravens need a speed rusher!! That is why I say Randy Gregory should have been the round2 pick.

Assuming you're referring to coverage, he had 166 snaps in 2014 and 60 in 2015. The figure would've been slightly higher than the average among 3-4 OLBs; however, there were several players who either matched or exceeded those totals, which outlines the aforementioned notion about his role. He's played roughly 80% of the total snaps since 2014, and of the 50 snaps he's averaged per game in that span, he's averaged 9 in coverage and 41 attacking upfield, so his abilities haven't been shackled by the role. He impressed as a rusher in his rookie season. He wasn't as quick off the snap as expected (None of his 9 sacks came by going around the RT), but his inside counters were his bread and butter and they were especially effective since he lined up wider than normal and showcased his ability to win the leverage battles. I believe Irvin regarding the Adderall given that Brandon Browner was popped with the same charge, but considering that weight loss is a common side effect, I'd wager that his drop was a byproduct of the Adderall usage as I don't recall any articles or comments by the coaching staff that advised or expected him to shed pounds instead of gaining them.

Alas, he was woeful in the running game as a pure DE as he struggled mightily with shedding blockers, and he was moved to OLB before his sophomore season after the addition of Michael Bennett. That being said, Irvin has consistently shifted to DE in their Nickel packages since then, and while he's sprinkled a few high quality performances, he hasn't been overly effective, especially when he relies solely on beating tackles around the bend. He's definitely flashed the ability at times, but I recall breaking down the Oakland game last season wherein he consistently attempted to beat Donald Penn on the outside and was subsequently erased despite being given dozens of attempts. Truth be told, I'm not certain that the weight gain has netted significant improvements. His sack totals thus far look terrific on paper, but he's mustered up just 3 QB hits and 6 pressures otherwise on the 120 rushes, which is below the norm. I'd personally prefer to see a higher level of effectiveness and consistency before projecting him to be a potential elite pass rusher.

Edited October 22, 2015 by -Truth-

[Purple_ICE 81]

Eric Weddle please.

[Cillmatic]

Eric Weddle please.

Too much, too old

[PurpleCity5]

I honestly want us to build an offense similar to what Dallas had in their 2014 season which took them to a 12-4 season. I think a balanced offense is the best type of offense in the league. I feel that at the same time, we have to be able to win through the air. There are going to be games where you'll have to win by the pass(playoffs). You don't want to be totally reliant on the run game and when the situation comes where you have to win through the air arrives, you fail at it. I mean look at the Kansas City Chiefs. 

 

I feel that having a #1 prototype WR does so much wonders for your offense, but its not a deal breaker. I would love to have a Julio, Dez, AB, or Hopkins, but you don't need that to succeed. Two good WRs, TEs and a dominant run game can take you far. I'd love to build on the offensive line more. I think we're building something great with our TEs we just need to see what Perriman will be able to do. I like Marvin Jones or Vincent Jackson as WRs for us to potentially sign. I feel that our offense is fine, I think we need to add another WR that's a starter but IMO I think it's fine, especially once our TEs come along. I like the job Trestman has done quite honestly. He's doing well with sub-par talent. 

 

To be honest, let's try to keep K.O. I know for some people they believe he'll peruse a hefty contract, but I want to see what the market decides he'll get and put up our offers. I feel that our offensive line is our strength and we need to continue to build on it. I personally feel that we have the money to keep him and the cap situation will only get better and better. I feel that we need to keep our offensive line dominant.

 

Its becoming more and more of a passing league, and I feel that you need to succeed there, but at the same time having a dominant run game can do a lot for a QB. Not to mention it serves for great success on the road, and whether or not you want to admit it, Flacco has his troubles on the road, that's where his inconsistency's are to be found.

Edited October 22, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Sizzlebshu]

I'm ready for Marlon Brown to go now. I've said it before, but few players I think we need to keep and I don't think this is the offseason to try to milk the comps.

I don't want Upshaw back. He's useless as a pass rusher and lately he's not even setting the edge that great. KO I'm ready to let go of him, too, because he just can't seem to stay healthy. He had a good game today, but I want Yanda all day over him. I'm also ready for Jeremy "No Push" Zuttah, but he's unlikely to go anywhere.

I would like to keep Ross and Aiken. I think we should look at a veteran CB, FS, and WR if available in free agency. And of course Tucker should return.

Welcome to the marlon brown sucks bandwagon. This is your conductor Siz

[January J]

I honestly want us to build an offense similar to what Dallas had in their 2014 season which took them to a 12-4 season. I think a balanced offense is the best type of offense in the league. I feel that at the same time, we have to be able to win through the air. There are going to be games where you'll have to win by the pass(playoffs). You don't want to be totally reliant on the run game and when the situation comes where you have to win through the air arrives, you fail at it. I mean look at the Kansas City Chiefs. 

 

I feel that having a #1 prototype WR does so much wonders for your offense, but its not a deal breaker. I would love to have a Julio, Dez, AB, or Hopkins, but you don't need that to succeed. Two good WRs, TEs and a dominant run game can take you far. I'd love to build on the offensive line more. I think we're building something great with our TEs we just need to see what Perriman will be able to do. I like Marvin Jones or Vincent Jackson as WRs for us to potentially sign. I feel that our offense is fine, I think we need to add another WR that's a starter but IMO I think it's fine, especially once our TEs come along. I like the job Trestman has done quite honestly. He's doing well with sub-par talent. 

 

To be honest, let's try to keep K.O. I know for some people they believe he'll peruse a hefty contract, but I want to see what the market decides he'll get and put up our offers. I feel that our offensive line is our strength and we need to continue to build on it. I personally feel that we have the money to keep him and the cap situation will only get better and better. I feel that we need to keep our offensive line dominant.

 

Its becoming more and more of a passing league, and I feel that you need to succeed there, but at the same time having a dominant run game can do a lot for a QB. Not to mention it serves for great success on the road, and whether or not you want to admit it, Flacco has his troubles on the road, that's where his inconsistency's are to be found.

yep. In 2012 we had that exact recipe you stated. 2 strong wrs. ( boldin , Torrey) strong tight end ( pitta ) and an above average run game ( rice) . And go figure that was the year we won it all. Then we got rid of boldin, pitta got hurt and the team immediately regressed.

[PurpleCity5]

yep. In 2012 we had that exact recipe you stated. 2 strong wrs. ( boldin , Torrey) strong tight end ( pitta ) and an above average run game ( rice) . And go figure that was the year we won it all. Then we got rid of boldin, pitta got hurt and the team immediately regressed.

Yeah, I want us to be dominant in the run game but at the same time I want us to be able to pass. I want a 50-50 offense between the pass and the run. That's what the Packers, Patriots, and Cowboys all employed last season. Its nice having a #1 WR out there, they're able to keep a defense on its heels, but its not a deal breaker. If I had the choice I would have one here,  but at the same time we're fine. 

[nyc9192]

Perriman is not a #1. It shows how terrible the ravens weapons are when fans are going after other teams #3 WR. Many desperate teams like the ravens have shopped #3 WRs thinking they could be starters only to learn they are not as good when an elite WR is not helping them get open. Put another quarter in the merry go round.

I look at it the same way.It really puzzles me how people can be content with these subpar receiving cores every year with guys like Aiken,Camp,Brown,Stokley,Butler etc.Even suggest guys like Kearse or Marvin Jones.jones is good but i think he's more a product of that offense with Green and Eifert.As long as were content and neglect the receiving corps,well have the same issue every year.

[thieverycorporation]

Purging some of those low tier salaries would also help. Player evaluations for those that under-achieve during the course of this season should cut addition fat. I'd be playing practice squad players into the rotation as well. If the numeric equation for elimination exist then why waste the scrimmage time. Everybody on this roster should be evaluated to add in any decisions. Inspection time for the coaching team as well. 

[Drew P]

Yeah. Give Flacco a 4 million dollar pay raise. That's more than fair in my eyes. And not utterly ridiculous. He's set to make $28 million and is making $14.5 million this year. That's pretty much doubling it. Which is well... Ridiculous. And a franchise QB is worth $18 million.

Flacco isn't a greedy type either. And $18 million a year is enough to set someone up for a lifetime of luxury.

That's the deal I think we give Flacco.

Cut candidates are

Canty Gets rid of $2 million

Forsett(doubtful though I'd cut him)$3 million

Webb $3 million

Dennis Pitta as a June 1st Cut saves roughly 5 million

Daryl Smith would save $3 million

So that's 16 million saved from cutting them. That's before you cut away some fat. If you get Flacco to go down to a total cap hit of $18 million, then you're talking about 26 million in cap space. Then SSR's money comes off the books so maybe..

Yeah we have some space to play with. We actually might be able to get KO and Tucker back. Then bargin buy from that point on.

 

Pitta would only save a measly 600K. $6.5 mil in dead money in 2016.

[Ravens2343]

Pitta would only save a measly 600K. $6.5 mil in dead money in 2016.

 

Not if we release him with a post-June 1st designation.  That would only push 2.2 million in dead money to 2016 and 4.4 into 2017 and give us 5 million in cap savings

Edited October 22, 2015 by Ravens2343

[Winchester]

Just throwing this idea out there. The ravens could attempt to trade for Kam Chancellor?? The seahawks likely can't pay him what he wants. Then draft the best physical 3 down LB or sign a free agent ilb. The ravens would control the middle of the field in this modern NFL where everybody is throwing the ball around uncontested. Mosley Hill Chancellor and a fast physical 3 down LB to partner with Mosley would strike fear into opposition!! Qb rushers are tough to find and very expensive. But the real key to neutralizing qbs and their weapons is controlling the middle of the field which actually also helps eliminate the big play. I was at the ravens playoff win in foxboro. The real key to shutting them out after halftime was Reed Ellerbe and Pollard controlling the middle and Ray the shorter area of the middle. The patriot WRs were scared and all of their fans knew it!! They were calling Brady and his weapons every name they could think of.lol When the defense controls the short and intermediate throws it makes the blitzes far more effective and Easy to conceal. Everybody wants the impact edge rushers and shutdown corner. But the real key is the collective defense controlling the middle and striking fear into An offense. I know I can be harsh on the ravens flaws. However I am a huge huge sore loser and root for them to win.

[rmcjacket23]

Just throwing this idea out there. The ravens could attempt to trade for Kam Chancellor?? The seahawks likely can't pay him what he wants. Then draft the best physical 3 down LB or sign a free agent ilb. The ravens would control the middle of the field in this modern NFL where everybody is throwing the ball around uncontested. Mosley Hill Chancellor and a fast physical 3 down LB to partner with Mosley would strike fear into opposition!! Qb rushers are tough to find and very expensive. But the real key to neutralizing qbs and their weapons is controlling the middle of the field which actually also helps eliminate the big play. I was at the ravens playoff win in foxboro. The real key to shutting them out after halftime was Reed Ellerbe and Pollard controlling the middle and Ray the shorter area of the middle. The patriot WRs were scared and all of their fans knew it!! They were calling Brady and his weapons every name they could think of.lol When the defense controls the short and intermediate throws it makes the blitzes far more effective and Easy to conceal. Everybody wants the impact edge rushers and shutdown corner. But the real key is the collective defense controlling the middle and striking fear into An offense. I know I can be harsh on the ravens flaws. However I am a huge huge sore loser and root for them to win.

Chancellor is under contract, and the Seahawks have practically all of the leverage. Strongly doubt they are interested in moving on from him.