2016 free agency

[usmccharles]

Judging by his perception of talent, you're better off ignoring and not reading all together.

 

Apparently he literally thinks Bruce Irvin is Von Miller 2.0...

As different as his views are, this is a forum where people express their opinions, i enjoy reading most opinions and having a discussion/debate, but when its written as a 5th grader it makes it hard to really comprehend it, becomes more annoying than his views. 

 

Wasnt Irvin top 15 pick and had a second round grade?

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

The 2016 FA class is pretty much blahhh at every position we have a need at.The only guy who I like is Gipson and I'm not sure if he'll reach FA or if our FO will be willing to give him the contract he's going to demand.I also wouldn't mind us giving Aldon Smith a contract,but I think Harbaugh wants to stay far away from problematic guys like him.I read someone mention Josh Gordon.You can forget about him for the same reasons.

Edited October 20, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Pretty sure josh Gordon will be a RFA next year

 

 

I don't think Harbaugh will be willing to give second chances after what happened a year ago.

[usmccharles]

The 2016 FA class is pretty much blahhh at every position we have a need at.The only guy who I like is Gipson and I'm not sure if he'll reach FA or if our FO will be willing to give him the contract he's going to demand.I also wouldn't mind us giving Aldon Smith a contract,but I think Harbaugh wants to stay far away from problematic guys like him.I read someone mention Josh Gordon.You can forget about him for the same reasons.

unless we could get him for the bare minumum, i wouldnt even want to think about it.  He WILL mess up again

[Cillmatic]

I don't think Harbaugh will be willing to give second chances after what happened a year ago.

In Gordon's case it would be a FORTH chance.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

unless we could get him for the bare minumum, i wouldnt even want to think about it.  He WILL mess up again

 

 

I wouldn't want to invest too much in him either.It's sad that he has to get into so many stupid incidents.He's only 26 years old and just 2 years ago was looked at as a top 5 pass rusher in the league.Now we're saying he's not worth more than the minimum.If I were Ozzie/Harbaugh,I'd almost be willing to go as high 1 year/$2M just to see if we could bring back 2011/2012 Aldon.That would be monstrous with Suggs,Doom,Jernigan and maybe Bosa(I think we're that bad and I'm rooting for that top pick).

[Ravens2343]

I wouldn't want to invest too much in him either.It's sad that he has to get into so many stupid incidents.He's only 26 years old and just 2 years ago was looked at as a top 5 pass rusher in the league.Now we're saying he's not worth more than the minimum.If I were Ozzie/Harbaugh,I'd almost be willing to go as high 1 year/$2M just to see if we could bring back 2011/2012 Aldon.That would be monstrous with Suggs,Doom,Jernigan and maybe Bosa(I think we're that bad and I'm rooting for that top pick).

 

As great as Aldon Smith was I can not see a scenario where we even look at him.  Once his court hearings are finished there is a real possibility that he is suspended for all of 2016 if not longer.  The dude is like Gordon, they have to much talent but continue to waste it away on stupid mistakes.  I do not think there is room for someone like him on our team, I would expect us to grab 2 pass rushers in this years draft.  We should have around 11-12 picks total in the draft so we should have a lot of assets to move around the draft.

[PurpleCity5]

Bengals are gonna have 31 million in cap space so we're gonna have to out bid.

Hmm..Never know, I mean they do have other options in the rec. game. I mean they are stacked on offense and they also have a couple of their own free agents to keep as well. George Iloka, Pacman Jones, and Reggie Nelson will be entering FA. I'm sure they would like to keep all three of them. It's really about how much they value Jones. 

[-Truth-]

You're about as delusional as they get. Irvin isn't very good. He gets plenty of opportunities to rush the passer but just hasn't produced. You should see how creative the Seahawks get with there passing downs using Bennet, Avril, Clark, and Irvin without any d tackles and Irvin's usually the one that can't seem to get any pressure.

I can't get my head around the 20 sack projection of Irvin for the reasons above. The example of traditional 4-3 LBs doesn't apply since Irvin plays SLB in their 4-3 Under. It's far from a traditional role as he lines up at or near the LOS and constantly darts after ball-carriers. That he weighs more than Khalil Mack doesn't mean much since he certainly doesn't have Mack's speed-to-power conversion and is nowhere near as dominant against the run. I personally see Irvin as a general asset, no question. But he's struggled with consistency as a pass rusher despite receiving a very hefty workload. Irvin had the 16th most pass rushing snaps of any LB in 2014 regardless of scheme. He's within the Top 20 again this season. The sack totals have been solid in both years, but they're not an accurate benchmark for his general production since he's been below average in pass rushing productivity on a per snap basis despite playing with elite edge rushers. Expecting him to sign with another team, receive more attention from offensive lines and potentially come close to breaking the NFL record in sacks is rather overly optimistic, if not more-so.

Edited October 22, 2015 by -Truth-

[Winchester]

Judging by his perception of talent, you're better off ignoring and not reading all together.

 

Apparently he literally thinks Bruce Irvin is Von Miller 2.0...

My perception of talent?? You actually thought Marlon brown was starter caliber. You called Gilmore and fat maxx "Gems" Irvin is as explosive as von Miller. When a team signs him to be a 3-4 rush olb or DE then we will revisit this thread.

[Winchester]

Judging by his perception of talent, you're better off ignoring and not reading all together.

 

Apparently he literally thinks Bruce Irvin is Von Miller 2.0...

My perception of talent?? You actually thought Marlon brown was starter caliber. You called Gilmore and fat maxx "Gems" Irvin is as explosive as von Miller. When a team signs him to be a 3-4 rush olb or DE then we will revisit this thread.

[Winchester]

I can't get my head around the 20 sack projection of Irvin for the reasons above. The example of traditional 4-3 LBs doesn't apply since Irvin plays SLB in their 4-3 Under. It's far from a traditional role as he lines up at or near the LOS and constantly darts after ball-carriers. That he weighs more than Khalil Mack doesn't mean much since he certainly doesn't have Mack's speed-to-power conversion and is nowhere near as dominant against the run. I personally see Irvin as a general asset, no question. But he's struggled with consistency as a pass rusher despite receiving a very hefty workload. Even after serving his 4 game suspension, Irvin had the 5th most pass rushing snaps of any LB in 2014 regardless of scheme. He has the 5th most once more this season. The sack totals have been solid in both years, but they're not an accurate benchmark for his general production since he's been below average in pass rushing productivity on a per snap basis despite playing with elite edge rushers. Expecting him to sign with another team, receive more attention from offensive lines and potentially come close to breaking the NFL record in sacks is rather overly optimistic, if not more-so.[/qrole ]

I typed 12-16 sacks, spell check is changing my numbers. Irvin is in coverage a lot and is good against the run as well. He gets good sack production for a 4-3 LB. Part of his problem is changing his role so often. He is always gaining muscle for this role,slimming for that role. If he was left to play at 260lbs and sack qbs he could be a 12-16 sack edge rusher. The only thing I question is his work ethic. I do not know much about his work ethic

[Winchester]

Marvin Jones is a very high end #2. He'd be good here. I think Perriman can be a number one. His ceiling is massive and his floor isn't very low.

Perriman is not a #1. It shows how terrible the ravens weapons are when fans are going after other teams #3 WR. Many desperate teams like the ravens have shopped #3 WRs thinking they could be starters only to learn they are not as good when an elite WR is not helping them get open. Put another quarter in the merry go round.

[rmcjacket23]

My perception of talent?? You actually thought Marlon brown was starter caliber. You called Gilmore and fat maxx "Gems" Irvin is as explosive as von Miller. When a team signs him to be a 3-4 rush olb or DE then we will revisit this thread.

Nope, not once did I ever say any of those things, particularly Marlon, who I never liked. If you think I did, feel free to provide me a quote of me saying that.

 

There's nothing explosive about Irvin. He's reckless, immature, and lacks the proper technique to get to the QB consistently in this league. Three years in, he's still unbelievably "raw".

[Deflated Football]

Kamar Aiken should NOT be the number three heading into next season. That's what happened this season and when SSS went down, our WR's looked like a hot mess. Kamar can come back as the number five AT LEAST. This team needs playmakers on both sides of the ball. If I was Ozzie and the cap situation made it possible, I would double dip at WR in free agency by throwing money at Alshon and try to get Percy Harvin or Leonard Hankerson for cheap. The WR market this offseason is pretty solid. Flacco needs a competent supporting cast like the one he had in 2012 with Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby and Pitta. Our current situation is laughable and pathetic and that has to fall on Ozzie's shoulders.

 

Get the man some playmakers!

[Cillmatic]

Perriman is not a #1.

I've been saying the same thing since the draft. He just doesn't have it. As a prospect His only attribute is his speed but he's PAINFULLY average at everything else. He's a fast Marlon Brown. If/when he plays this season I hope he proves me wrong or else we're gonna need Marvin Jones AND a top WR in the draft. Edited October 20, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Cillmatic]

Kamar Aiken should NOT be the number three heading into next season. That's what happened this season and when SSS went down, our WR's looked like a hot mess.

No, Aiken was the #2 WR

[Winchester]

Nope, not once did I ever say any of those things, particularly Marlon, who I never liked. If you think I did, feel free to provide me a quote of me saying that.

 

There's nothing explosive about Irvin. He's reckless, immature, and lacks the proper technique to get to the QB consistently in this league. Three years in, he's still unbelievably "raw".

He is that raw yet has more sacks than any raven. You may not like brown but I know you actually think this ravens team is talented. Did you not praise Ozzie's recent drafting?? I apologize if mistaken. This is the worst ravens team ever.

[52520Andrew]

I've been saying the same thing since the draft. He just doesn't have it. As a prospect His only attribute is his speed but he's PAINFULLY average at everything else. He's a fast Marlon Brown. If/when he plays this season I hope he proves me wrong or else we're gonna need Marvin Jones AND a top WR in the draft.

 

I'd wait until he actually gets on the field before I go on about him being or not being a #1. 

[gtalk12]

The 2016 FA class is pretty much blahhh at every position we have a need at.The only guy who I like is Gipson and I'm not sure if he'll reach FA or if our FO will be willing to give him the contract he's going to demand.I also wouldn't mind us giving Aldon Smith a contract,but I think Harbaugh wants to stay far away from problematic guys like him.I read someone mention Josh Gordon.You can forget about him for the same reasons.

 

I said this before the season began but was shot down because apparently we are deep at the position......right

[PurpleCity5]

I think this team is better than what our record indicates. I feel we can get back into the mix with a few quality starters. Let's actually sign some players. I'd like to mix it up, sign some FAs and pursue some cut guys.

[PurpleCity5]

I've been saying the same thing since the draft. He just doesn't have it. As a prospect His only attribute is his speed but he's PAINFULLY average at everything else. He's a fast Marlon Brown. If/when he plays this season I hope he proves me wrong or else we're gonna need Marvin Jones AND a top WR in the draft.

How is he a fast Marlon Brown? Marlon can't even separate from a house fly. Perriman makes separation look easy. He's aggressive, doesn't shy away from contact and physical. Those are qualities completely absent from Marlon Brown. I don't even know how you can make that analogy. 

 

I'm starting to get annoyed by this PCL injury and trust me, I really am but at the same time I'm still going to evaluate him before I can call him a #3, if he even plays that is. 

Edited October 20, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Deflated Football]

I think this team is better than what our record indicates. I feel we can get back into the mix with a few quality starters. Let's actually sign some players. I'd like to mix it up, sign some FAs and pursue some cut guys.

Agreed. We've been in each and every game this season. I've said it before and I'll say it again: this team needs playmakers on both sides of the ball. The defense needs some attitude and the offense needs some reliability and speed. It's sad when the number threes on some teams like the Bengals and Packers could be our number one. I'm actually really excited to have a high draft pick.

[RavensRegime]

Alshon Jeffrey, Vincent Jackson & Marvin Jones! Try to sign all of them and restructure Flacco's contract! 

Sign Tucker...

[PurpleCity5]

Agreed. We've been in each and every game this season. I've said it before and I'll say it again: this team needs playmakers on both sides of the ball. The defense needs some attitude and the offense needs some reliability and speed. It's sad when the number threes on some teams like the Bengals and Packers could be our number one. I'm actually really excited to have a high draft pick.

I'm with you on that, this defense needs a big-mouth. Goodness we sorely miss Sizzle. He was that guy who got everyone to play hard and aggressive. Whenever something went wrong, he was always there to set things straight. As soon as Suggs went down against Denver, our defense didn't look the same and collapsed against Oakland. You're totally right on playmaking and speed, on both sides. We need some speed badly, we're honestly one of the slowest teams in the league if not the slowest.

 

I'm also excited for the high draft pick, not to mention the work our F.O will put in. We always go to work on the off-season after a down year.

[allblackraven]

Alshon Jeffrey, Vincent Jackson & Marvin Jones! Try to sign all of them and restructure Flacco's contract! 

Sign Tucker...

To sign these 3 at the same time would cost an arm and a leg. Who in their right mind would do something like that? 3 WRs? Besides, Jackson is signed by TB for 2016.

[PurpleCity5]

To sign these 3 at the same time would cost an arm and a leg. Who in their right mind would do something like that? 3 WRs? Besides, Jackson is signed by TB for 2016.

I'm pretty confident Vincent Jackson will get released. He had a down season last year which saw him catch 2TD passes, not to mention Tampa Bay was shopping him last season and couldn't get anything. They kept him hoping he could keep Winston straight and hopefully re-surge, this was supposed to be his bounce back year as Tampa is hoping VJax would live up to that $55M contract again but he doesn't appear to be on that road. Quiet honestly he needs a new team. The Bucs have shown they can part ways with anyone. They did it to Michael Johnson one year into his contract and Darrelle Revis when he was only one year into his deal as well. I don't think Vincent Jackson will be back in Tampa. I'd love to have him here. 

 

I think he was joking tho. 

Edited October 20, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[-Truth-]

I typed 12-16 sacks, spell check is changing my numbers. Irvin is in coverage a lot and is good against the run as well. He gets good sack production for a 4-3 LB. Part of his problem is changing his role so often. He is always gaining muscle for this role,slimming for that role. If he was left to play at 260lbs and sack qbs he could be a 12-16 sack edge rusher. The only thing I question is his work ethic. I do not know much about his work ethic

I assumed the process of elimination would be implied in my explanation, but by sheer virtue of having among the most pass rushing snaps in comparison to every linebacker in the NFL, he can't possibly be in coverage too frequently. Irvin hasn't spent more than 18.6% of his snaps in coverage in the last season and a half, and he averaged that number in his previous two. He's also had the least amount of snaps in coverage among all qualified players at his position in both 2014 and 2015 because his responsibilities vary significantly from one of a traditional nature. For example, Justin Houston, a 3-4 OLB, spent just under 15% of his snaps in coverage last season. Irvin and Houston rushed the passer on 42.6% and 43.7% of their snaps, a figure that is almost identical. In addition, Irvin's role hasn't been significantly augmented since after his rookie season, and it certainly doesn't differ much from what it was the year before, if at all. I personally don't recall a time when Irvin was forced to slim down, though I could be mistaken. However, you don't see many situations where a player is busted for PEDs while attempting to slim down, so he's very likely been looking to bump his weight up since at least the 2013 offseason. I see him more as a Swiss army knife, which I absolutely intend to be a compliment. But he's struggled to consistently bring the heat as a pass rusher despite the high volume of opportunities and the edge rushers around him suctioning attention away from him. It's hard to imagine that his production there would rise dramatically when he's the primary option.

[-Truth-]

To sign these 3 at the same time would cost an arm and a leg. Who in their right mind would do something like that? 3 WRs? Besides, Jackson is signed by TB for 2016.

Where's ludy51 when you need him?

[FlackAttack]

we got our work cut out for us this offseason