2016 free agency

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 hours ago, Winchester said:

Ravens are in the habit of overpaying in case you have not noticed!! How many players are not playing to contracts?? No excuses!! like injuries or whatever cuz i know how homers think.lol Why not shell out for an actual stud!! And he still would not be overpaid cuz he is getting better. I said "if" a stud PLAYER like Collins or Jones were free agents then the Pat's would not have used franchise on a kicker!! I bet you are one of the Homers who think the ravens are going right back to playoffs and winning a playoff game??

We were 5-11 with a healthy KO playing on a rookie deal. So you think paying him almost $14mill so we cant doing ANYTHING else in FA to improve the team, and can only rely on the draft to improve, is a better option than offering him a fair market deal and letting him walk if he gets overpaid since we have above mean players already on the roster on rookie deals?

Your logic is ridiculous. This team is so far away from the playoffs in your words... but resigning a guy who was a full time participant in the 5-11 season to salary 14x more than what he made in the 5-11 season, so that he ties up all our free cap space is somehow going to improve the team? How? 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, lgcs27288 said:

I think the Browns are in the middle of resigning him if im not mistaken. I personally do not want him. I had him in fantasy football and was lucky to trade him before week 7 or 8. After that he was average to below average in my opinion.

yea but week 7 is when they started rotating Manziel in and out. He had a horrible QB situation the rest of the season. I'm not saying hes going to be who he was the 1st half of the season over a full 16 games, but with an actual weapon or 2 around him i think he'll do very well.

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We were 5-11 with a healthy KO playing on a rookie deal. So you think paying him almost $14mill so we cant doing ANYTHING else in FA to improve the team, and can only rely on the draft to improve, is a better option than offering him a fair market deal and letting him walk if he gets overpaid since we have above mean players already on the roster on rookie deals?

Your logic is ridiculous. This team is so far away from the playoffs in your words... but resigning a guy who was a full time participant in the 5-11 season to salary 14x more than what he made in the 5-11 season, so that he ties up all our free cap space is somehow going to improve the team? How? 

Your not allowed to use logic, hence his arguments

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, Edgar said:

Something comparable could be had for far less.

 

wagner-Yanda-Nick Martin- Osemele-Stanley

 

Martin is a bad scheme fit 

[jazz1988]

19 hours ago, Winchester said:

Of course the idea is to not pay him franchise player gold!! The idea is to get leverage so the ravens can pay him a long contract that is fair to the team and player. As opposed to having to match whatever 31 rival teams will pay him!! I watched bout 30 mins of combine review and saw the ravens pretty much mocked for using the Franchise on a freaking kicker!! And leaving the most punishing drive blocker in the NFL free to walk!! And went on to give the opinion he is a future all pro and how feared and respected he is at locker room talk and league office circles. Homers do not like to hear about how terrible ravens players are. Or the terrible signings and picks of late. Nobody here likes Heath Evans. I will go out on a limb and say Heath Evans said something bad about the ravens or mocked the ravens moves?? 

It doesn't make sense to tag K.O when  The Ravens don't have the cap space to do so even after Joe Flacco contract extension. 

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

It doesn't make sense to tag K.O when  The Ravens don't have the cap space to do so even after Joe Flacco contract extension. 

No to mention, if we tagged KO, he has all the leverage not to sign a long term deal with us and then just hit FA next year after getting his 14mill.  If it would have made sense...Oz would have done it. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

With Gillmore's health up in the air, Pitta's future at best uncertain if not non-existant, Boyle suspended 10 games, and Maxx Williams only going into his 2nd year... what do you guys think about possibly adding Vernon Davis?

He's obviously not going to be the guy he once was, but there may be something left in the tank in the right situation. He had no QB in SF, and didnt have enough time to really learn and get acclimated to the ultra-complex Kubiak/Manning hybrid offense - so i dont know how accurate of a measure his past 2 years are in terms of what he can contribute.

This is a TE friendly offense, he can catch and block, is a UMD alum, and will likely come at the vet minimum.

We don't really need a long term answer, just someone who can come in to compete during camp and be a 2nd/3rd option until Gillmore is 100%. Davis might be a perfect fit for what we need. He may be completely shot, but i think itd be worth it to find out especially if Gillmore isnt ready to start the season.

[usmccharles]

52 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

With Gillmore's health up in the air, Pitta's future at best uncertain if not non-existant, Boyle suspended 10 games, and Maxx Williams only going into his 2nd year... what do you guys think about possibly adding Vernon Davis?

He's obviously not going to be the guy he once was, but there may be something left in the tank in the right situation. He had no QB in SF, and didnt have enough time to really learn and get acclimated to the ultra-complex Kubiak/Manning hybrid offense - so i dont know how accurate of a measure his past 2 years are in terms of what he can contribute.

This is a TE friendly offense, he can catch and block, is a UMD alum, and will likely come at the vet minimum.

We don't really need a long term answer, just someone who can come in to compete during camp and be a 2nd/3rd option until Gillmore is 100%. Davis might be a perfect fit for what we need. He may be completely shot, but i think itd be worth it to find out especially if Gillmore isnt ready to start the season.

That's a very good point, I think it just comes to the cost.  If he is affordable he would be worth the look.  There is a lot of potential there, the guy still is pretty damn fast.  I don't know of what all TEs are out there, i thought we were more than set coming into this year.  I think Gilmore is ready week 1 though, i really hope so, im excited to see him develop

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

18 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

That's a very good point, I think it just comes to the cost.  If he is affordable he would be worth the look.  There is a lot of potential there, the guy still is pretty damn fast.  I don't know of what all TEs are out there, i thought we were more than set coming into this year.  I think Gilmore is ready week 1 though, i really hope so, im excited to see him develop

Yea I thought Gillmore would be too, but recently Harbs said something about him having multiple offseason procedures... which was news to me. So, he could be ready to go to start the season, but if he misses offseason activities id still want a vet there to rotate with williams. I dont like the idea of only PS level guys pushing Maxx in an offseason where we're going to count on him big time to contribute.

And as far as other TE's out there, i think both Indy TE's are on the market (Fleener and Allen) but neither is what we need. Chandler was just cut by the Pats and could be a decent fit as a stop gap if necessary, but would likely get more attention than Davis and more money.

There's Ladarius Green and Gates from SD. I think they like Green and will retain him, and Gates will either retire or resign i think. theres Mercedes Lewis, Ben Watson, Zach Miller, Jermaine Gresham, Jared Cook, Larry Donnell, and then a bunch of guys like Quarless, Humanawanooi or whatever, Clay harbor, etc...

Everyone in that group will either likely be looking for long term deals, too expensive, or just doesnt have the versatility/upside. We need someone that can block, be that 2nd pass-catching option if needed, come cheap, and accept a 1 year deal.

Vernon Davis I think fits all the criteria perfectly, and has the most potential upside out of all the older guys who also fit.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

No to mention, if we tagged KO, he has all the leverage not to sign a long term deal with us and then just hit FA next year after getting his 14mill.  If it would have made sense...Oz would have done it. 

C'mon Sheeple, get with it. Signing Flacco to $22mill is absurd even though Bradford got $18mill... and signing KO to $14mill is going to save the season even though Yanda only makes $8mill.

[Edgar]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Martin is a bad scheme fit 

What makes you say that

[PurpleCity5]

On 3/1/2016 at 11:38 PM, Winchester said:

Russell Okung. If ravens lose KO he could take one year prove it deal. Ravens nasty attitude along OLine could rub off.

Will add to list when I'm not  busy

I'm certain Okung will make his money, but I think if we can afford K.O, then we could afford him as well. 

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea I thought Gillmore would be too, but recently Harbs said something about him having multiple offseason procedures... which was news to me. So, he could be ready to go to start the season, but if he misses offseason activities id still want a vet there to rotate with williams. I dont like the idea of only PS level guys pushing Maxx in an offseason where we're going to count on him big time to contribute.

And as far as other TE's out there, i think both Indy TE's are on the market (Fleener and Allen) but neither is what we need. Chandler was just cut by the Pats and could be a decent fit as a stop gap if necessary, but would likely get more attention than Davis and more money.

There's Ladarius Green and Gates from SD. I think they like Green and will retain him, and Gates will either retire or resign i think. theres Mercedes Lewis, Ben Watson, Zach Miller, Jermaine Gresham, Jared Cook, Larry Donnell, and then a bunch of guys like Quarless, Humanawanooi or whatever, Clay harbor, etc...

Everyone in that group will either likely be looking for long term deals, too expensive, or just doesnt have the versatility/upside. We need someone that can block, be that 2nd pass-catching option if needed, come cheap, and accept a 1 year deal.

Vernon Davis I think fits all the criteria perfectly, and has the most potential upside out of all the older guys who also fit.

Nah to Vernon Davis left his hands and his heart in San Francisco. I personally don't see us having interest in someone who doesn't care much about Football anymore. John is about building character on this team and so is the Front Office, I personally think that Vernon Davis goes against the "Play like a Raven" mantra. 

I like Miller though, I think he can be a quality back-up here. 

[Alexir]

Looks like we declined Canty's Option, he will be hitting Free Agency.

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I'm certain Okung will make his money, but I think if we can afford K.O, then we could afford him as well. 

Personally do not want anything to do with Okung. If we want him, we, might as well keep Monroe

[usmccharles]

I'm starting to sour on KO,  Keno because of him because of the money.   I just hinkle we can make it work.  

[Cillmatic]

Said to see Smith go, I really liked him. Hope it's worth it.

[Tank 92]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I'm starting to sour on KO,  Keno because of him because of the money.   I just hinkle we can make it work.  

 

I think someone has been messing with your spell check.   lol

[K-Dog]

Yeah sad to see D. Smith go, but that's how it goes.  Every season someone you like has to go.  I am sure he won't be the only player I like to go this offseason.

 

[ellicottraven]

Terrible to see D. Smith's release. I think he can still play a valuable role on our team and hopefully they try to bring him back at a lower number. Aslo, Brandon Carr is going to be released by Dallas. Do you guys think he'll be able to play a role in our secondary? He wasn't very good last year, but a change of scenery can ignite some players. So, potential move or not?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

9 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Nah to Vernon Davis left his hands and his heart in San Francisco. I personally don't see us having interest in someone who doesn't care much about Football anymore. John is about building character on this team and so is the Front Office, I personally think that Vernon Davis goes against the "Play like a Raven" mantra. 

I like Miller though, I think he can be a quality back-up here. 

I think miller will be looking for a multi year deal and more than we can afford to pay for a guy to ultimately be a 3rd even 4th TE outside of the preseason, or maybe 1-2 games to start the season at most. 

I don't want anyone taking snaps from Gillmore and Maxx. 

And Davis never had a chance in Denver. The WCO verbiage alone is one of the most difficult to learn and throw Peyton's audibles and language on top of that... Coupled with Daniels, Kubiaks disciple, being in front of him - it just wasn't going to amount to anything. It was obvious he was over thinking and not playing freely. 

To take offseason reps and block/catch a couple balls for a game or 2 there just aren't many guys who will accept a job like that. Even less for the vet minimum. Out of the guys that might, at least Davis has the potential to give you something. 

With an actual QB, a full offseason to learn the offense (esp one so similar to what he just had in Denver), and the comfort of being back in MD I think it'd be a good landing spot for him. 

We mostly need a blocking TE, bc Maxx isn't the most effective in that regard, so getting one with the ability to at least threaten as a pass catcher is a bonus. I'm not ready to completely write him off after 2 bad seasons in bad situations, especially when the expectations are extremely low. 

[bauer77]

Like others have said, sad to see Daryl go. I do feel like there's a chance Ozzie told him to go find his market value, and come back and see what we can work out though. But it won't hurt me if Daryl goes after more money elsewhere. He's 33 and only has a year or 2 left probably. He already was starting to get replaced by Orr quite a bit this past year. 

Edited March 4, 2016 by bauer77

[Winchester]

22 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Your not allowed to use logic, hence his arguments

Hmm logic?? You keep kneeling before the oz yet the team is in cap he\\  at 5-11. I stated many times the offense is very close to being the leagues best but not if left tackle is a need as well. The defense is going to be average at best unless 3 pro bowlers are found in the draft. The offense is just so much closer to being elite or the very best!! Why not finish what was started?? And keep KO and find a stud playmaker. It is my opinion KO is a top 5 left tackle. No, I guarantee he is a top5 left tackle. But your hating on him looking for top money yet it is OK for Joe?? Wanna talk logic?? Did you hear what he said?? Team was 5-11 with KO. So paying him will not help. Lmao!! You could make that same argument against Joe. Did not the backups have a better winning %% than Joe Cool?? (Not that im agsinst keepimg him) At least once KO took over at tackle the OLine became dominant. Joe Cool  and KO are part of an offense that will be awesome once a legit playmaker is added to the brew. The team was 5-11 with KO so paying him will not help the team any, is logic?? Seriously??

Edited March 4, 2016 by Winchester

[Winchester]

10 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Personally do not want anything to do with Okung. If we want him, we, might as well keep Monroe

KO is going to smoke the money Okung gets. Okung has some Injury bugs and subpar play at times mostly cuz of playing soft. Of course a desperate incompetent team could pay him similar to Monroe or more. But the market for him may not be as good as he would like. In which case he could play on a one year prove it deal with a team with maulers to get in the habit of mauling. I would much prefer KO of course but I like Okung far better than Monroe!! Monroe seems to not care about football.