2016 free agency

[Cillmatic]

Antonio Cromartie just got cut.

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

Antonio Cromartie just got cut.

How's he going to feed his kids now?

[JO_75]

12 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Antonio Cromartie just got cut.

As soon as I read that he got cut, I knew someone would post about it on here. He's in decline, I hope Ozzie and co don't consider him. Look toward the draft for our corner issue and get younger, not older.

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

As soon as I read that he got cut, I knew someone would post about it on here. He's in decline, I hope Ozzie and co don't consider him. Look toward the draft for our corner issue and get younger, not older.

Well of course people are going to post basically anyone with a name to get cut.   He will go to jags or Raiders imo

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, JO_75 said:

As soon as I read that he got cut, I knew someone would post about it on here. He's in decline, I hope Ozzie and co don't consider him. Look toward the draft for our corner issue and get younger, not older.

A declining Cromartie is still a #2 cornerback on this team.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

A declining Cromartie is still a #2 cornerback on this team.

Short term fix to a long term problem.

We were a 5-11 team last year. Short term fixes really don't help us.

[MiamiRaven55]

2 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

How's he going to feed his kids now?

Best Hard Knocks ever, naming his kids and their ages......

[Moderator 3]

2 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Antonio Cromartie just got cut.

Saw this on Twitter:

 

(cleans out locker)

(finds three babies)

[Winchester]

Nick Perry(olb) Mike Neal(as a dlineman)  and Brian Quick are only free agents that interest me. Just see all else as old expensive or overrated. Would be cool to get Quick on a one year prove himself now that he has an elite QB contract. However if he put up big numbers resigning him will be like playing 21 bust.

Edited February 23, 2016 by Winchester

[Halshayeji]

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Short term fix to a long term problem.

We were a 5-11 team last year. Short term fixes really don't help us.

I think we need both. A short term solution and a long term solution.

Unless we take hargreves or ramsey with our first pick, it's unfair to expect a rookie to start and play well as a CB in the NFL day 1. At the moment we have 1 shutdown corner thats injury prone and no one to play across the field from him and a huge drop off of talent if he gets hurt.

Sharece wright is probably gone and will Davis is still a question mark. We need a #2 cb and #3 because teams will throw 3 WR sets at us on a regular basis. Walker is a project that I like but he's still a project. So I hope our FO addresses this situation with both Draft and FA.

Cromartie may not be the ideal fit but if he gets devalued to a point that we can snatch him on cheap deal then heck bring him in to line up across J.Smith and whoever we draft in the slot. Whenever a young gun outplays him in practice then get rid of crom.

This year's CB FA class is as deep as I ever remember. I'm sure we can get an above average CB for really good value. Last year I was pissed off that we didn't go for a CB but it really wouldn't have been a good move because they were so overpriced. This year it's different, it's on Ozzie to find a gem out there;)

Edited February 23, 2016 by Halshayeji

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

Nick Perry(olb) Mike Neal(as a dlineman)  and Brian Quick are only free agents that interest me. Just see all else as old expensive or overrated. Would be cool to get Quick on a one year prove himself now that he has an elite QB contract. However if he put up big numbers resigning him will be like playing 21 bust.

From the looks of it, you probably have seen the packers play a lot more than I have.

Nick Perry is a guy I liked out of USC but he hasn't lived up to his first round mark. How much of an upgrade if any would he be over Z.Smith? 

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I think we need both. A short term solution and a long term solution.

Unless we take hargreves or ramsey with our first pick, it's unfair to expect a rookie to start and play well as a CB in the NFL day 1. At the moment we have 1 shutdown corner thats injury prone and no one to play across the field from him and a huge drop off of talent if he gets hurt.

Sharece wright is probably gone and will Davis is still a question mark. We need a #2 cb and #3 because teams will throw 3 WR sets at us on a regular basis. Walker is a project that I like but he's still a project. So I hope our FO addresses this situation with both Draft and FA.

Cromartie may not be the ideal fit but if he gets devalued to a point that we can snatch him on cheap deal then heck bring him in to line up across J.Smith and whoever we draft in the slot. Whenever a young gun outplays him in practice then get rid of crom.

This year's CB FA class is as deep as I ever remember. I'm sure we can get an above average CB for really good value. Last year I was pissed off that we didn't go for a CB but it really wouldn't have been a good move because they were so overpriced. This year it's different, it's on Ozzie to find a gem out there;)

If you're expecting the market for corners to come down, you're going to be disappointed. They are one of the most desired positions in the league, and there are a LOT of teams with a large amount of money to spend.

I watched plenty of Cromartie film from last year, and to be honest, he's a downgrade over Shareece Wright. He's basically a "name" at this point.

At some point, fans have to decide... do you want a "name who used to be good, or do you want a player who actually is good. There will probably be a half dozen corners as good or better than Cromartie who will get released in the next two weeks. I'd rather have one of those guys (if we sign one at all, which I'm not convinced we will).

And just as an aside... can somebody define for me what a "cheap" deal looks like for a corner? I'm talking actual dollar amount. You guys do realize that, right now and possibly in the future, signing a guy for even $2-3M a year is a bit of a stretch. For a corner, it doesn't get much cheaper than that.

Edited February 23, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[MTRavensFan]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If you're expecting the market for corners to come down, you're going to be disappointed. They are one of the most desired positions in the league, and there are a LOT of teams with a large amount of money to spend.

I watched plenty of Cromartie film from last year, and to be honest, he's a downgrade over Shareece Wright. He's basically a "name" at this point.

At some point, fans have to decide... do you want a "name who used to be good, or do you want a player who actually is good. There will probably be a half dozen corners as good or better than Cromartie who will get released in the next two weeks. I'd rather have one of those guys (if we sign one at all, which I'm not convinced we will).

I'm actually pretty happy with Shareece. Good instincts for the ball, and can tackle.

[usmccharles]

24 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

I'm actually pretty happy with Shareece. Good instincts for the ball, and can tackle.

I agree.  Didn't he improve drastically in the second half of the season?

[Purple_City39]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If you're expecting the market for corners to come down, you're going to be disappointed. They are one of the most desired positions in the league, and there are a LOT of teams with a large amount of money to spend.

I watched plenty of Cromartie film from last year, and to be honest, he's a downgrade over Shareece Wright. He's basically a "name" at this point.

At some point, fans have to decide... do you want a "name who used to be good, or do you want a player who actually is good. There will probably be a half dozen corners as good or better than Cromartie who will get released in the next two weeks. I'd rather have one of those guys (if we sign one at all, which I'm not convinced we will).

And just as an aside... can somebody define for me what a "cheap" deal looks like for a corner? I'm talking actual dollar amount. You guys do realize that, right now and possibly in the future, signing a guy for even $2-3M a year is a bit of a stretch. For a corner, it doesn't get much cheaper than that.

At this point, a cheap deal for a corner is probably a $4-5M average.  Any CB that's started even half a season in the league will likely get that or more now.

In terms of Cromartie.......just say no.  Shareece Wright will probably be cheaper and very likely be better.  Plus something bothers me about a guy who struggles to remember his children's names.  If I can remember the names of all new coworkers I meet within 3 days of a new job, surely you can remember your kid's names after years of them being alive.

[MTRavensFan]

38 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I agree.  Didn't he improve drastically in the second half of the season?

yeah, he did. Just took him a while to get settled in with a new system, I think. Working with Frazier, I think he'll only get better.

[MTRavensFan]

6 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

At this point, a cheap deal for a corner is probably a $4-5M average.  Any CB that's started even half a season in the league will likely get that or more now.

In terms of Cromartie.......just say no.  Shareece Wright will probably be cheaper and very likely be better.  Plus something bothers me about a guy who struggles to remember his children's names.  If I can remember the names of all new coworkers I meet within 3 days of a new job, surely you can remember your kid's names after years of them being alive.

Oh, wow, I didn't realize that. What a moron. I mean, if you can't even remember your kids' names, how on earth do you learn a playbook?

[RavensFanOfLA]

i hope ozzie doesn't try to snatch cromartie,hes clearly on the decline

[gtalk12]

what are we going to do with Arrington? I had high hopes for this guy

[gtalk12]

35 minutes ago, RavensFanOfLA said:

i hope ozzie doesn't try to snatch cromartie,hes clearly on the decline

that seems to be the consensus, I did not watch any games that he played. how bad has he become? is he really worse than Webb??

[Winchester]

Nick Perry(olb) Mike Neal(as a dlineman)  and Brian Quick are only free agents that interest me. 

10 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

From the looks of it, you probably have seen the packers play a lot more than I have.

Nick Perry is a guy I liked out of USC but he hasn't lived up to his first round mark. How much of an upgrade if any would he be over Z.Smith? 

I believe Perry can be a double digit producer if in shape and motivated properly. And Neal at 6'3 290 as a tackle is nearly as strong and explosive as any interior penetrator in the league!! I do believe the packers players are underperforming on defense ( and offense) and are not being pushed like Harbs would. Neal and Perry would benefit big time from a space eater like Williams as well. With a block eater like Brandon and motivation like Harbs, Neal and Perry would outperform their contract. Jernigan and Neal could be a very disruptive 3-4 bookend defensive end tandem. Perry could not only hit double digits but overall speed of the LBs unit would be boosted

Edited February 23, 2016 by Winchester

[redlobster]

1 hour ago, gtalk12 said:

what are we going to do with Arrington? I had high hopes for this guy

Maybe actually play him in the slot now that webb has moved to FS. he was so out of place on the outside but they kept rolling him out there to get roasted.

[Sherly_Tebow]

Just saw that the Saints may part ways with WR Marques Colston. He's 32. I'm not sure what his level of play was last year. He had 45 receptions, 520 yards and 4 TDs. Any chance we offer him something?

[Deflated Football]

15 minutes ago, Sherly_Tebow said:

Just saw that the Saints may part ways with WR Marques Colston. He's 32. I'm not sure what his level of play was last year. He had 45 receptions, 520 yards and 4 TDs. Any chance we offer him something?

I don't think it would be a good idea. We need to get younger and faster, not the opposite. Plus, we already have the next Colston on the roster: Darren Waller

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

I don't think it would be a good idea. We need to get younger and faster, not the opposite. Plus, we already have the next *Megatron* on the roster: Darren Waller

Fixed!

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, DomMcRaven said:

Fixed!

Haha wouldn't that be great 

[Halshayeji]

19 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If you're expecting the market for corners to come down, you're going to be disappointed. They are one of the most desired positions in the league, and there are a LOT of teams with a large amount of money to spend.

I watched plenty of Cromartie film from last year, and to be honest, he's a downgrade over Shareece Wright. He's basically a "name" at this point.

At some point, fans have to decide... do you want a "name who used to be good, or do you want a player who actually is good. There will probably be a half dozen corners as good or better than Cromartie who will get released in the next two weeks. I'd rather have one of those guys (if we sign one at all, which I'm not convinced we will).

And just as an aside... can somebody define for me what a "cheap" deal looks like for a corner? I'm talking actual dollar amount. You guys do realize that, right now and possibly in the future, signing a guy for even $2-3M a year is a bit of a stretch. For a corner, it doesn't get much cheaper than that.

My definition of a cheap deal would be 3mil 1 year deal. Crom got a one year 3.5mil prove it deal just 2 years ago with the Cardinals when he was 29.

 

theres already half a dozen good FA cornerbacks and that number will only go up in the coming weeks. That's a really good indicator that a few good cornerbacks will get raw deals in FA. I predict that FA opens and 3-5 guys get monster deals then the market cools down and we go out and snatch someone.

 

I'm  hoping for something like what happened last season at WR. It was a deep draft and a good FA class. Thus trading for a WR was cheap as dirt and some descent WRs were avaliable on the cheap just 1 week after free agency opened. 

 

If sharece stays then we are good because that's exactly what we need. I don't want Cromartie specifically but I want our FO to keep an eye on this FA situation. Wait for the first round of marquee signings then make a move for a solid guy.

 

from the looks of it, we both agree that we need a long term solution as well. And you rarely solve any long term problem in free agency. If we go CB in the first round then all bets are off and il lay off this topic. If we go some other route in the draft then this FA class could make or break our upcoming season.

[Halshayeji]

16 hours ago, Winchester said:

Nick Perry(olb) Mike Neal(as a dlineman)  and Brian Quick are only free agents that interest me. 

I believe Perry can be a double digit producer if in shape and motivated properly. And Neal at 6'3 290 as a tackle is nearly as strong and explosive as any interior penetrator in the league!! I do believe the packers players are underperforming on defense ( and offense) and are not being pushed like Harbs would. Neal and Perry would benefit big time from a space eater like Williams as well. With a block eater like Brandon and motivation like Harbs, Neal and Perry would outperform their contract. Jernigan and Neal could be a very disruptive 3-4 bookend defensive end tandem. Perry could not only hit double digits but overall speed of the LBs unit would be boosted

Great post,

Il be keeping an eye on this situation. I think Neil stays in GB but the way your explaining it, Perey might be the steal of this year's FA class 

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

My definition of a cheap deal would be 3mil 1 year deal. Crom got a one year 3.5mil prove it deal just 2 years ago with the Cardinals when he was 29.

 

theres already half a dozen good FA cornerbacks and that number will only go up in the coming weeks. That's a really good indicator that a few good cornerbacks will get raw deals in FA. I predict that FA opens and 3-5 guys get monster deals then the market cools down and we go out and snatch someone.

 

I'm  hoping for something like what happened last season at WR. It was a deep draft and a good FA class. Thus trading for a WR was cheap as dirt and some descent WRs were avaliable on the cheap just 1 week after free agency opened. 

 

If sharece stays then we are good because that's exactly what we need. I don't want Cromartie specifically but I want our FO to keep an eye on this FA situation. Wait for the first round of marquee signings then make a move for a solid guy.

 

from the looks of it, we both agree that we need a long term solution as well. And you rarely solve any long term problem in free agency. If we go CB in the first round then all bets are off and il lay off this topic. If we go some other route in the draft then this FA class could make or break our upcoming season.

I mean, that's great and all, except the scenario you are describing is the exact same thing we said this time last year, when we were coming off a worse secondary situation than what we had in 2015. Given that our current cap situation isn't really any better or worse, keep in mind that the "cheap" deals we gave to secondary players last season in the FA market were for Kendrick Lewis (around $2M a year) and Kyle Arrington (around $2.5M a year).

So those are the kinds of players you are getting in that price range. Certainly not game-changers. Mostly depth signings that can fill in as #3 corners when needed.

[Purple_Polo89]

On February 23, 2016 at 10:03 AM, MTRavensFan said:

yeah, he did. Just took him a while to get settled in with a new system, I think. Working with Frazier, I think he'll only get better.

This right here was my exact thought him and Jimmy on the outside are going to be legit working under Frazier...