2016 free agency

[rmw10]

I know this is 2016, but it's hard to believe that we thought it was a good idea to invest $2M into a backup QB when looking at what we had/have at WR.

[gabrielgrissom]

FA's I'd be interested in:

Eric Berry FS*

Josh Norman CB

Mohammed Sanu WR*

Marvin Jones WR*

Michael Crabtree WR*

Brandon Boykin CB*

Tamba Hali OLB*

Nick Perry OLB*

Tarrell Brown CB

Walter Thurmond CB/FS**

Nolan Carroll CB

Terence Newman CB

Janoris Jenkins CB

Reuben Randle WR

Travis Benjamin WR

Jeremy Lane CB*

Nate Washington WR

EJ Biggers CB

Will Blackmon CB

Prince Amukamara CB

Sean Smith CB

Greg Toler CB

Leon Hall CB

Chad Greenway OLB

Reggie Nelson FS

Obviously some are more/less likely than others, and some will be pricey and maybe out of our range.

I starred the ones that I would want the most or I think are likely targets.

I love Walter Thurmond and think he'd be a perfect fit for what our secondary needs. He'd start right away at FS and would partner well with Hill and allow him to finally do what he does best. Plus he just made the transition to FS from CB so he's got cover skills and could help cover slot WR's, RB's and TE's.

Eric Berry might be in play since KC has a plethora of safeties, they may not push to resign him. He might command more than we're willing to pay but I think FS is the biggest hole on the team and should be priority #1 in FA or draft.

OLB and WR are a close 2a and 2b as far as need goes.

I love the thurmond signing as well... BUT we aren't gonna sign him... As far as I know this secondary will be with us at least until the end of 2017... I don't see us getting him when we have larger needs such as rb/wr pass rusher and line depth as well as possibly an edge setter

[baltimorefan328]

I wonder if with a lot of dead money coming off the books and with the possibility of reworking Joe's deal if Ozzie actually splurges a little bit on a skill position.  With the seemingly very high draft pick the Ravens will have, plus the number of picks they'll likely have, a very good draft and a couple higher end free agents could really put this team back to competing. Plus this might not be a bad year to do so, the Ravens top free agents for 2016 are (in no particular order):

 

Tucker, Upshaw, Osemele

 

Assuming we resign Tucker...that would only be a possibility of two comp picks anyway, so maybe Ozzie will let one of those potential comp picks go away and sign someone a little bigger named than his usual M.O.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I love the thurmond signing as well... BUT we aren't gonna sign him... As far as I know this secondary will be with us at least until the end of 2017... I don't see us getting him when we have larger needs such as rb/wr pass rusher and line depth as well as possibly an edge setter

I personally think FS is the biggest immediate need on the team.

With Suggs returning we'll have at least one more good year with him and Doom, so I think that's more of a draft priority. We need young blood there plus pass rushers cost too much on the FA market.

As bad as our WRs are, the passing game looked good today. If SSS returns and with Perriman, I think we'll be fine there as the TEs roles grow. Aiken/Givens as #3/4 are good imo and I believe Perriman is going to be a legit #1. Granted he's gotta get on the field and prove it this year. I think we'll pick up a mid tier FA WR but nothing that breaks the bank.

I think FS is the way to go if we're gonna spend money. A ball hawking safety that can cover the back end would do wonders for our defense. I read somewhere that if u take away 8 big pass plays that we've given up and we'd be the #6 ranked defense. A good FS would go a long way toward reducing the number of big plays we give up.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I wonder if with a lot of dead money coming off the books and with the possibility of reworking Joe's deal if Ozzie actually splurges a little bit on a skill position. With the seemingly very high draft pick the Ravens will have, plus the number of picks they'll likely have, a very good draft and a couple higher end free agents could really put this team back to competing. Plus this might not be a bad year to do so, the Ravens top free agents for 2016 are (in no particular order):

Tucker, Upshaw, Osemele

Assuming we resign Tucker...that would only be a possibility of two comp picks anyway, so maybe Ozzie will let one of those potential comp picks go away and sign someone a little bigger named than his usual M.O.

The dead money coming off the books doesn't effect next years cap at all. The dead money was never on the books for the 2016 cap, so it has no effect on what we can do next year.

With that being said there are some things we can do to free up some cap space like restructuring/extending Joe's contract.

But resigning Tucker and possibly KO could eat up quite a bit of that.

I imagine that with reworking Joe's contract and other cap saving moves we'll be somewhere between $10-15 mill to sign Tucker, maybe KO, Aiken, Givens, other ERFA's and RFA's, and our draft picks.

With all that included you're probably only looking at $2-7mill tops to sign other FA's. If you want to shop for top tier FAs you're only getting 1 maybe 2 guys.

[Sami84]

The dead money coming off the books doesn't effect next years cap at all. The dead money was never on the books for the 2016 cap, so it has no effect on what we can do next year.

With that being said there are some things we can do to free up some cap space like restructuring/extending Joe's contract.

But resigning Tucker and possibly KO could eat up quite a bit of that.

I imagine that with reworking Joe's contract and other cap saving moves we'll be somewhere between $10-15 mill to sign Tucker, maybe KO, Aiken, Givens, other ERFA's and RFA's, and our draft picks.

With all that included you're probably only looking at $2-7mill tops to sign other FA's. If you want to shop for top tier FAs you're only getting 1 maybe 2 guys.

 

Such is our bad situation with lack of talent i don't think we can afford to give much up to a kicker ( who hasn't been great this year) and KO who's really good but injury prone.

[Sami84]

I personally think FS is the biggest immediate need on the team.

With Suggs returning we'll have at least one more good year with him and Doom, so I think that's more of a draft priority. We need young blood there plus pass rushers cost too much on the FA market.

As bad as our WRs are, the passing game looked good today. If SSS returns and with Perriman, I think we'll be fine there as the TEs roles grow. Aiken/Givens as #3/4 are good imo and I believe Perriman is going to be a legit #1. Granted he's gotta get on the field and prove it this year. I think we'll pick up a mid tier FA WR but nothing that breaks the bank.

I think FS is the way to go if we're gonna spend money. A ball hawking safety that can cover the back end would do wonders for our defense. I read somewhere that if u take away 8 big pass plays that we've given up and we'd be the #6 ranked defense. A good FS would go a long way toward reducing the number of big plays we give up.

 

I think you are playing a very dangerous game expecting suggs and doom to be effective next year. both will be totally over the hill and suggs in particular with his messed up injuries.

 

Bosa is the man..if not then fine..ramsey..i'd be happy with either but unless we sign aldon smith it's the former i want.

[gabrielgrissom]

I personally think FS is the biggest immediate need on the team.

With Suggs returning we'll have at least one more good year with him and Doom, so I think that's more of a draft priority. We need young blood there plus pass rushers cost too much on the FA market.

As bad as our WRs are, the passing game looked good today. If SSS returns and with Perriman, I think we'll be fine there as the TEs roles grow. Aiken/Givens as #3/4 are good imo and I believe Perriman is going to be a legit #1. Granted he's gotta get on the field and prove it this year. I think we'll pick up a mid tier FA WR but nothing that breaks the bank.

I think FS is the way to go if we're gonna spend money. A ball hawking safety that can cover the back end would do wonders for our defense. I read somewhere that if u take away 8 big pass plays that we've given up and we'd be the #6 ranked defense. A good FS would go a long way toward reducing the number of big plays we give up.

And I sorta thought the same too but this was the same case with stew last year he kinda sucked in the beginning but came on down the stretch... I thought Kendrick played fairly well today besides the dropped int. What this secondary hasn't had is continuity... In 2012 it was end and pollard in 13 it was Elam and diggs in 14 it was stew and Elam now its Kendrick and will... This secondary is signed until 2017 so I don't really think that the secondary is going to be bad forever I just think it needs time. It sucks because we played sooooooooo well today on both sides of the ball and came up a tenth of a second short from a victory.

[baltimorefan328]

The dead money coming off the books doesn't effect next years cap at all. The dead money was never on the books for the 2016 cap, so it has no effect on what we can do next year.

With that being said there are some things we can do to free up some cap space like restructuring/extending Joe's contract.

But resigning Tucker and possibly KO could eat up quite a bit of that.

I imagine that with reworking Joe's contract and other cap saving moves we'll be somewhere between $10-15 mill to sign Tucker, maybe KO, Aiken, Givens, other ERFA's and RFA's, and our draft picks.

With all that included you're probably only looking at $2-7mill tops to sign other FA's. If you want to shop for top tier FAs you're only getting 1 maybe 2 guys.

Did not realize that didn't make much of a difference, just looked and Ravens are only estimated to have about $5.5 million in cap space before any moves next season 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Did not realize that didn't make much of a difference, just looked and Ravens are only estimated to have about $5.5 million in cap space before any moves next season

Yea the "dead money" came off the '16 books the second we cut/traded them. So the projections we've seen since then never accounted for having their salaries and guarantees on them.

Since it was never there, it's not really "coming off the books" as you often hear the expression go. The only time you'd see dead money, "carry over" is in a post June 1st cut.

And even then it's not really "carrying over" it's just when the cut is made a portion of the remaining guaranteed money for that player counts on the current seasons cap, and the rest goes on the following seasons cap... So you're not taking on the full brunt of the dead money all at once.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Such is our bad situation with lack of talent i don't think we can afford to give much up to a kicker ( who hasn't been great this year) and KO who's really good but injury prone.

I tend to agree, but the 1st year of these 5 yr deals usually has a relatively low cap hit.. And with the way the cap has been jumping I think getting a young potential stud like KO wrapped up on a deal that looks expensive now but in 3 years will look like chicken scratch may be our best bet.

Especially since were somewhat devoid of talent at skill positions... The only way to buy a season or two until we can add enough weapons is to give Joe the best possible protection.

Talent and continuity would go a long way in helping that come to fruition. Keeping KO gives us the opportunity to keep Monroe, KO, Zuttah/Urschel, Yanda and Wagner in tact for the next 3 years at least.

Because signing him keeps the entire unit together for that stretch I think his signing is far more valuable to the future of the team than just his individual value as a player.

For that reason I think he should be the #1 priority come FA and the type of guy we should be willing to spend on.

[PurpleCity5]

I know this is 2016, but it's hard to believe that we thought it was a good idea to invest $2M into a backup QB when looking at what we had/have at WR.

Yeah man. I think that was a pretty horrid idea. This WR group is just terrible. Honestly the worst positional group on the roster.I hope we make some changes and take WR seriously. I've honestly lost trust in Perriman, I have to admit it. I'm behind drafting WR early again. Maybe not in the 1st but in the 2nd round drafting a WR has to be under heavy consideration. 

Edited November 17, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

I tend to agree, but the 1st year of these 5 yr deals usually has a relatively low cap hit.. And with the way the cap has been jumping I think getting a young potential stud like KO wrapped up on a deal that looks expensive now but in 3 years will look like chicken scratch may be our best bet.

Especially since were somewhat devoid of talent at skill positions... The only way to buy a season or two until we can add enough weapons is to give Joe the best possible protection.

Talent and continuity would go a long way in helping that come to fruition. Keeping KO gives us the opportunity to keep Monroe, KO, Zuttah/Urschel, Yanda and Wagner in tact for the next 3 years at least.

Because signing him keeps the entire unit together for that stretch I think his signing is far more valuable to the future of the team than just his individual value as a player.

For that reason I think he should be the #1 priority come FA and the type of guy we should be willing to spend on.

I've pretty much accepted the fact that K.O is gone. Let's look at it from this perspective.

 

We have holes at WR, CB, FS, and OLB. K.O will be an UFA meaning any team can offer a deal that we couldn't match, but would hurt us substantially if we decided to, do we want to do that knowing the amount of holes we have on this roster? I don't. Not only that but we do have a guy in Urschel who has preformed admirably when called upon. I wouldn't mind relying on him. 

[DomMcRaven]

I tend to stay away from overthecap.com, but I couldn't help but notice if Kendrick Lewis were to get cut post June 1st, we would save $800K. I know it ain't much, but I'm so done with Lewis at this point. 

[Deflated Football]

I tend to stay away from overthecap.com, but I couldn't help but notice if Kendrick Lewis were to get cut post June 1st, we would save $800K. I know it ain't much, but I'm so done with Lewis at this point.

Lewis needs to go. We need a playmaker at FS, BADLY

[DomMcRaven]

Lewis needs to go. We need a playmaker at FS, BADLY

It's a shame that we can't have TWO competent safeties on the field at the same time. Hill's a stud and then.....well......yeah. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I've pretty much accepted the fact that K.O is gone. Let's look at it from this perspective.

We have holes at WR, CB, FS, and OLB. K.O will be an UFA meaning any team can offer a deal that we couldn't match, but would hurt us substantially if we decided to, do we want to do that knowing the amount of holes we have on this roster? I don't. Not only that but we do have a guy in Urschel who has preformed admirably when called upon. I wouldn't mind relying on him.

My thing is though that WR, CB and OLB are the 3 most over paid positions (other than QB) in FA. With our budget were not getting anyone that's going to actually fix those 3 holes in FA and I'm tired of band aids.

I think we're looking at the draft to fix them.

Plus you put Urschel at LG and you lose your depth which was a strength... Now if Urschel, Zuttah, or Yanda goes down you have no one proven to step in. I know Urschel wasn't proven but then you have to hit on a draft pick.

Plus Zuttahs only under contract one more year I believe... So then you're plugging in another new player the year after.

So while letting go of KO maybe allows you to address one of your other holes, you're also creating a hole at either C of LG in a year. Whereas keeping KO at least gives you the foundation of knowing your Oline is set and among the best in the league for the next 3 years.

Suggs returning gives you a year or 2 to draft a stud OLB and another year for Za'Darius to develop. You're not getting a quality pass rusher in FA for less than what you'd pay KO.

A starting WR is going to cost you more than KO as will a CB.

I'm hoping that SSS returns so u have him Perriman, Aiken and Givens. I'm actually ok with that considering out TEs development. Maybe add a mid tier guy like Nate Washington.

There are 4-5 quality CBs on the market but they're going to cost you big so I doubt were in on any of them.

I'd resign Tucker, KO, make a hard offer to Thurmond or Berry and then sign some depth pieces elsewhere.

Use our high draft pick to go CB, OLB or the other way around depending on how the board shakes out. Maybe even trade our 2nd and some other picks to get back up into the 1st for a stud CB or OLB.

Then I think we're set to make a run. Our offense is ok now without SSS or Perriman since Joe is well protected. We really need FS, CB depth and a stud pass rusher. Draft, draft draft.

Especially since some middle round teams are going to be looking for a QB... Like Houston, Jets, Washington, Saints, Chicago, etc.... We may end up as that lucky team that gets to fleece someone trying to move up for their QB and end up with 2 1st rounders this year and next.

I'd rather spend the money to keep our own then overpay for guys we don't know.

Edited November 17, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Jamal]

Mohammad Sanu is someone I'm highly interested in. I think he has #1 potential but gets lost in the shuffle and has a very meh QB. He could end up being a major bargain for what he brings to the table ala Emanuel Sanders.

[redrum52]

I want thumpers and speed.  I don't care about off field behavior or public opinion, if the person can play.  We need to get tougher on both sides.  A defense that once dictated what the offense does, now gets pushed around.  The offense isn't as far off as people think. 

[PurpleCity5]

I tend to stay away from overthecap.com, but I couldn't help but notice if Kendrick Lewis were to get cut post June 1st, we would save $800K. I know it ain't much, but I'm so done with Lewis at this point. 

We don't typically do June 1st cuts. It's kind of cruel to be honest. 

[Kid87]

We can go get LaRon Landry or Ace Sanders now to finish the season.. they are off suspension

[Cillmatic]

Josh Norman and Senu/Jones signings would be a dream come true.

[redrum52]

Josh Norman and Senu/Jones signings would be a dream come true.

Norman's about to get PAID.  No way they let him hit FA.  Sanu or Jones could be a possibility.

[PurpleCity5]

My thing is though that WR, CB and OLB are the 3 most over paid positions (other than QB) in FA. With our budget were not getting anyone that's going to actually fix those 3 holes in FA and I'm tired of band aids.

I think we're looking at the draft to fix them.

Plus you put Urschel at LG and you lose your depth which was a strength... Now if Urschel, Zuttah, or Yanda goes down you have no one proven to step in. I know Urschel wasn't proven but then you have to hit on a draft pick.

Plus Zuttahs only under contract one more year I believe... So then you're plugging in another new player the year after.

So while letting go of KO maybe allows you to address one of your other holes, you're also creating a hole at either C of LG in a year. Whereas keeping KO at least gives you the foundation of knowing your Oline is set and among the best in the league for the next 3 years.

Suggs returning gives you a year or 2 to draft a stud OLB and another year for Za'Darius to develop. You're not getting a quality pass rusher in FA for less than what you'd pay KO.

A starting WR is going to cost you more than KO as will a CB.

I'm hoping that SSS returns so u have him Perriman, Aiken and Givens. I'm actually ok with that considering out TEs development. Maybe add a mid tier guy like Nate Washington.

There are 4-5 quality CBs on the market but they're going to cost you big so I doubt were in on any of them.

I'd resign Tucker, KO, make a hard offer to Thurmond or Berry and then sign some depth pieces elsewhere.

Use our high draft pick to go CB, OLB or the other way around depending on how the board shakes out. Maybe even trade our 2nd and some other picks to get back up into the 1st for a stud CB or OLB.

Then I think we're set to make a run. Our offense is ok now without SSS or Perriman since Joe is well protected. We really need FS, CB depth and a stud pass rusher. Draft, draft draft.

Especially since some middle round teams are going to be looking for a QB... Like Houston, Jets, Washington, Saints, Chicago, etc.... We may end up as that lucky team that gets to fleece someone trying to move up for their QB and end up with 2 1st rounders this year and next.

I'd rather spend the money to keep our own then overpay for guys we don't know.

There's a lot of positions that are overpaid. The amount of money we would pay for K.O would be more than what we would pay for any WR, CB, or OLB in Free Agency. For the price of K.O, we could sign both a quality WR and OLB in free agency. Why wouldn't you go that route? Its about filling in as much needs as you possibly can in time for the draft. We can't do anything about depth if we don't have quality starters. Depth at this point is meaningless if we don't have starting caliber players and right now we don't have any at WR or OLB outside of Doom. 

 

Not only that, but I want Brandon Williams, Ricky Wagner, and Will Hill over him all day, that's just how I feel. I'd love to keep two of three of those guys here. Brandon Williams is definitely a candidate for a contract extension. 

 

As far as OLB, I love Sizzle, but its an season ending injury at age 33. I still believe he'll be effective, but he will lose a step. Its difficult to keep the same intensity and at that age after a serious injury. We don't even have depth at OLB, these guys can't even get pressure on a blitz at times, that should tell you enough. 

 

Look at CB, you have Jimmy who is having his problems, Webb who is playing solid football, but is just a question mark at this point and considering the cap savings will likely get cut. After both of them what do you have exactly? We have Shareece Wright out there for goodness sake. We need one badly. I wouldn't feel confident going into next season with the same group of guys.

 

 

 

Our offense is ok now without SSS or Perriman since Joe is well protected. We really need FS, CB depth and a stud pass rusher. Draft, draft draft.

 I hope you're joking about the offense, they looked atrocious against Jacksonville in the 2nd half and they're not even a good defensive team. We need a WR so badly for this team, and let's be honest here, its the worst positional group on the roster. Against Cleveland our WRs had a total of 0 Yards in the second half or something awful like that, it was terrible in the 2nd half for them. That tells me enough already. 

 

Let's say you keep K.O and don't make any more signings due to cap restrictions, then after that you draft a CB and FS, and then tell me what we have at WR? Absolutely nothing. Not to mention how many times we've drafted a WR in the 4th, 5th or 6th and see it amount to nothing. Aren't we over this already? I think the truth of the matter is we have an eye for every position except for WR in the draft. 

 

 

It doesn't help when Steve Smith hasn't even made a decision on retirement and Breshad missed a whole year to a PCL sprain, which some guys tend to miss a game or 2 to. I really think Breshad has lost trust among the Front Office. I don't see how you go into next season thinking much about him. Let's not forget all it took was a simple strain to that same injury to simply keep him out for the rest of the year. I have trust issues with the guy and the team probably does too. 

 

 

I don't need to say anything about FS, the play of Kendrick Lewis and Matt Elam in pass coverage says enough and I don't see any top notch FS in the realm of possibility such as Berry or Weddle.  We def. don't have the money to pay those guys. 

 

For what we would pay K.O, we could probably get a guy like Muhammad Sanu or Marvin Jones and Tamba Hali/Mike Neal. 

[ravefan52]

I know this is 2016, but it's hard to believe that we thought it was a good idea to invest $2M into a backup QB when looking at what we had/have at WR.

I was pissed when we did that, especially with how durable Flacco is and how poorly Schaub had played. The WR part doesn't surprise me in the least though as we always overestimate what we have there.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I want thumpers and speed. I don't care about off field behavior or public opinion, if the person can play. We need to get tougher on both sides. A defense that once dictated what the offense does, now gets pushed around. The offense isn't as far off as people think.

Pretty much this. Though I want another coverage backer in there as well.

As much as I have hopes for Breshad... I don't trust him to stay healthy. We might need a FA acquisition at WR and a draft pick. Jones, Sanu, Garcon, Vjax. All would be good.

[redrum52]

Pretty much this. Though I want another coverage backer in there as well.

As much as I have hopes for Breshad... I don't trust him to stay healthy. We might need a FA acquisition at WR and a draft pick. Jones, Sanu, Garcon, Vjax. All would be good.

 

I'd prefer Jones or Sanu if we went that route.  Familiar with the division, young and versatile.  Would love if we could get one of those 2.  Also, considering how low our 3rd and 4th will be, wouldn't mind making a trade for a piece at wr.  Considering the season's basically over, wouldn't mind if Flaccos contract is extended, before the games are finished.

 

I have no faith in Breshad.  He has 2 things working against him.  We haven't seen him play yet and Ozzie picked him.  We all know his track record at that position...

Edited November 18, 2015 by redrum52

[BSHU_Miami]

I want thumpers and speed. I don't care about off field behavior or public opinion, if the person can play. We need to get tougher on both sides. A defense that once dictated what the offense does, now gets pushed around. The offense isn't as far off as people think.

yeah we have appeased goodell from the ray rice stuff. I bet we wanted DGB but didn't want the backlash. Screw that now get in some ballers. On BOTH sides of the ball.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'd prefer Jones or Sanu if we went that route. Familiar with the division, young and versatile. Would love if we could get one of those 2. Also, considering how low our 3rd and 4th will be, wouldn't mind making a trade for a piece at wr. Considering the season's basically over, wouldn't mind if Flaccos contract is extended, before the games are finished.

I have no faith in Breshad. He has 2 things working against him. We haven't seen him play yet and Ozzie picked him. We all know his track record at that position...

I don't get the love affair with Sanu and Jones.

Aiken has 10 more catches, 100 more yds, and 2 more TDs than Sanu this year.

As the #1 receiver for the majority of last season he only had 50 catches and 790 yds. And that was with a dominant run game. And aside from that he's never even come close to those numbers.

Jones I like more... In 2013 he had a good year with 700 yds and 10 TDs. But that was with AJ Green drawing consistent double teams.

This year he's done marginally more than Aiken... And my point of comparing to Aiken isn't to say were fine with Aiken, but that most say Aikens garbage but are putting these guys on their wish list.

Marvin Jones is likely to get close to Torrey type money if not more with how the market has since been increased by Julio, Dez, Hilton, and Thomas.

I just can't get too excited about dropping that kind of money on another #3 receiver. If that's the caliber player were going to target I'd rather a Nate Washington who can give you the same level production for much less.

I probably prefer Crabtree over anyone not named Alshon Jeffrey.

I don't think Jones or Sanu can be a #1. And if SSS doesn't come back Sanu/Jones and Aiken is a downgrade over SSS/Aiken.

If you project Givens 4 games over 9 games he's right there production wise with Sanu. So IMO we'd be paying just to bring in another guy the caliber of what we've been dealing with all along.

Plus those two have more experience than Givens and Aiken so there's arguably more reason to believe that Givens/Aiken can develop more than the Bengals duo.

I think it's a matter of the grass being greener. I see Aiken/Givens when I watch Sanu/Jones. Or at least not much better to justify paying FA market value to bring one in.

[redrum52]

I don't get the love affair with Sanu and Jones.

Aiken has 10 more catches, 100 more yds, and 2 more TDs than Sanu this year.

As the #1 receiver for the majority of last season he only had 50 catches and 790 yds. And that was with a dominant run game. And aside from that he's never even come close to those numbers.

Jones I like more... In 2013 he had a good year with 700 yds and 10 TDs. But that was with AJ Green drawing consistent double teams.

This year he's done marginally more than Aiken... And my point of comparing to Aiken isn't to say were fine with Aiken, but that most say Aikens garbage but are putting these guys on their wish list.

Marvin Jones is likely to get close to Torrey type money if not more with how the market has since been increased by Julio, Dez, Hilton, and Thomas.

I just can't get too excited about dropping that kind of money on another #3 receiver. If that's the caliber player were going to target I'd rather a Nate Washington who can give you the same level production for much less.

I probably prefer Crabtree over anyone not named Alshon Jeffrey.

I don't think Jones or Sanu can be a #1. And if SSS doesn't come back Sanu/Jones and Aiken is a downgrade over SSS/Aiken.

If you project Givens 4 games over 9 games he's right there production wise with Sanu. So IMO we'd be paying just to bring in another guy the caliber of what we've been dealing with all along.

Plus those two have more experience than Givens and Aiken so there's arguably more reason to believe that Givens/Aiken can develop more than the Bengals duo.

I think it's a matter of the grass being greener. I see Aiken/Givens when I watch Sanu/Jones. Or at least not much better to justify paying FA market value to bring one in.

Aiken is playing on a team where he's the #1 option now.  The Bengals have so many options, no one gets forced fed the ball.  If I had a choice, I'd pick Jones over Sanu too, by the way.  Sanu can throw though and I'd love to get the Pats back with a wr pass at some point.  The reason they come up, is because I think they'd be reasonably priced, young receivers.  I don't think anyone advocating bringing them in, thinks they're a #1.  Good #2 or 3 option.  For what it's worth, I do hope we bring Givens back as well.  This season has proven more that it doesn't hurt to have a few extra decent wideouts, but the truth is, not many teams have the kind of depth the Bengals do.