2016 free agency

[Winchester]

I do not want vjax. He will be 35!! Garcon played great just one year but could be a solid option. Marvin Jones I do not see as a definite go to guy. He benefits playing with AJ Green. It could be very different if he is expected to be the guy defenses game plan agsinst as the #1 WR. I really like Sanu. However he looks slower this season. He did not run a fast 40 but he was always football field fast. This year however his game speed looks uninspiring. Garcon or Sanu could be that go to WR but they could disappoint and waste another year of flaccos career. Ravens need to find a way to fix the position for sure. Through trade or a splash signing like Alshon. If he is injury free I really like Brian Quick. A big athletic hard working playmaker that was having his coming out party before his injury even with bad qb play.

As for defense I like Nick Perry and Zach Brown. Perry has raw tools to have a big breakout and Brown is fast and athletic. Somebody mentioned Mike Neal. However the ravens are already well invested in 3 young DTs that look to be solid. Better use that $$ to fill needs.

[usmccharles]

I do not want vjax. He will be 35  Garcon played great just one year but could be a solid option. Marvin Jones I do not see as a definite go to guy. He benefits playing with AJ Green. It could be very different if he is expected to be the guy defenses game plan agsinst as the #1 WR. I really like Sanu. However he looks slower this season. He did not run a fast 40 but he was always football field fast. This year however his game speed looks uninspiring. Garcon or Sanu could be that go to WR but they could disappoint and waste another year of flaccos career. Ravens need to find a way to fix the position for sure. Through trade or a splash signing like Alshon. If he is injury free I really like Brian Quick. A big athletic hard working playmaker that was having his coming out party before his injury even with bad qb play.

As for defense I like Nick Perry and Zach Brown. Perry has raw tools to have a big breakout and Brown is fast and athletic. Somebody mentioned Mike Neal. However the ravens are already well invested in 3 young DTs that look to be solid. Better use that $$ to fill needs.

VJax will be 35....in 3 year more years. smh.  and to your point about bad QB play, hes put up over 1000 yards in 6 of the last 7 years with subpar QB play. 

 

I have always liked the potential of Brian Quick, but obviously injuries are a problem and lack of production.  Also, bringing in a guy who has never done anything in his career is very risky when he needs to be depended on, unless very cheap.  You say bad qb play and that might be true, but id hate to go out and get him and only him.  I think he is too risky to go after considering how great of a need a proven WR will be. 

 

2012- 156 yards in 15 games

2013- 302 yards in 16 games

2014- 375 yards in 7 games

2015- he has 15 yards.....

 

Clearly 2014 was his best year, but that being said he was still only on pace for 880 yards, but like you said, that was with bad qb play.  Maybe with Joe he could take that next step, but if he didnt, you would be back to complaining about Oz always going out and getting a no-name, bargain-bin WR. We have seen numerous times that a freak athlete/talented WR make due with less than average qb play, Quick just doesnt have it imo.  Also, i think other teams will pay him more than we will, im ok with that. 

 

 

***sidenote, after all this talk about WR free agents, how i been preaching about Vjax, garcon or white comming here...i wouldnt be shocked if Nate Washington came here.  That is another name that i dont know how i forgot, that is a typical ravens signing and would be a good veteran to add, that might depend on SSR on. 

Edited November 6, 2015 by usmccharles

[Winchester]

VJax will be 35....in 3 year more years. smh. and to your point about bad QB play, hes put up over 1000 yards in 6 of the last 7 years with subpar QB play.

I have always liked the potential of Brian Quick, but obviously injuries are a problem and lack of production. Also, bringing in a guy who has never done anything in his career is very risky when he needs to be depended on, unless very cheap. You say bad qb play and that might be true, but id hate to go out and get him and only him. I think he is too risky to go after considering how great of a need a proven WR will be.

2012- 156 yards in 15 games

2013- 302 yards in 16 games

2014- 375 yards in 7 games

2015- he has 15 yards.....

Clearly 2014 was his best year, but that being said he was still only on pace for 880 yards, but like you said, that was with bad qb play. Maybe with Joe he could take that next step, but if he didnt, you would be back to complaining about Oz always going out and getting a no-name, bargain-bin WR. We have seen numerous times that a freak athlete/talented WR make due with less than average qb play, Quick just doesnt have it imo. Also, i think other teams will pay him more than we will, im ok with that.

***sidenote, after all this talk about WR free agents, how i been preaching about Vjax, garcon or white comming here...i wouldnt be shocked if Nate Washington came here. That is another name that i dont know how i forgot, that is a typical ravens signing and would be a good veteran to add, that might depend on SSR on.

Wrong,wrong in likely event you have not noticed I would like oz to sign some talent with rare tools on the cheap that has yet to break out!! Can't fault a gm for swinging for the fences!! Quick was having breakout games with terrible QBs and he does have raw physical tools and is a very hard worker. He could very well break out like Sanders did. And he played already with a franchise QB with ben. As for jacks I read in 2010 he was 28 hitting the market. If correct that puts him at going on 35 next year. In any sense the next vet legit WR brought in should be younger than 30 to build chemistry with Joe cool before the WR begins his decline. I really believe Alshon makes sense. He wins on every level of the field. He snatches in traffic over the middle, he is elusive and tough after the catch. He has some deep speed. If covered deep it is where he is at his best. The return for the money helps the team. It utilizes Joe cools skills. It helps the other Receivers get open and more effective. He is a taller younger faster Boldin at 6'3. If Perriman does become even a top level #2 with elite speed then it makes the ravens offense as formidable as any in the NFL thus competing for a championship.

[usmccharles]

VJax will be 35....in 3 year more years. smh. and to your point about bad QB play, hes put up over 1000 yards in 6 of the last 7 years with subpar QB play.

I have always liked the potential of Brian Quick, but obviously injuries are a problem and lack of production. Also, bringing in a guy who has never done anything in his career is very risky when he needs to be depended on, unless very cheap. You say bad qb play and that might be true, but id hate to go out and get him and only him. I think he is too risky to go after considering how great of a need a proven WR will be.

2012- 156 yards in 15 games

2013- 302 yards in 16 games

2014- 375 yards in 7 games

2015- he has 15 yards.....

Clearly 2014 was his best year, but that being said he was still only on pace for 880 yards, but like you said, that was with bad qb play. Maybe with Joe he could take that next step, but if he didnt, you would be back to complaining about Oz always going out and getting a no-name, bargain-bin WR. We have seen numerous times that a freak athlete/talented WR make due with less than average qb play, Quick just doesnt have it imo. Also, i think other teams will pay him more than we will, im ok with that.

***sidenote, after all this talk about WR free agents, how i been preaching about Vjax, garcon or white comming here...i wouldnt be shocked if Nate Washington came here. That is another name that i dont know how i forgot, that is a typical ravens signing and would be a good veteran to add, that might depend on SSR on.

Wrong,wrong in likely event you have not noticed I would like oz to sign some talent with rare tools on the cheap that has yet to break out!! Can't fault a gm for swinging for the fences!! Quick was having breakout games with terrible QBs and he does have raw physical tools and is a very hard worker. He could very well break out like Sanders did. And he played already with a franchise QB with ben. As for jacks I read in 2010 he was 28 hitting the market. If correct that puts him at going on 35 next year. In any sense the next vet legit WR brought in should be younger than 30 to build chemistry with Joe cool before the WR begins his decline. I really believe Alshon makes sense. He wins on every level of the field. He snatches in traffic over the middle, he is elusive and tough after the catch. He has some deep speed. If covered deep it is where he is at his best. The return for the money helps the team. It utilizes Joe cools skills. It helps the other Receivers get open and more effective. He is a taller younger faster Boldin at 6'3. If Perriman does become even a top level #2 with elite speed then it makes the ravens offense as formidable as any in the NFL thus competing for a championship.

Of course Jeffery makes sense, hes a beast, He is also out of our price range. Yes we COULD get him under that cap but that comes from getting rid of other key players and i dont think hes worth it if we have to lose key personel. Dez and DT just got what, 5 for 74 ish or something million....My money says Jeffery is going to command 12 a year. Dont get me wrong, id love to have him, but i dont think its something thats even in the realm of possibility. Jeffery will not hit the open market anyways, even if we did, we cant compete with other teams.

The problem with the mindset of signing a "player that will break out" is that its a risk. So say we go out and get Quick, SSR retires. We go in next year with BP, BQ, camp, waller, aiken, brown (hopefully not). The potential is there clearly, but its extremely risky in putting us in a worse situation than we were at the beginning of this year. Of course id love for us to go sign someone and get them cheap, then they become some monster WR that we all want, but its putting too much faith in players that have done nothing. Then everyone will complain that Oz set Joe up for failure.

I agree with your mindset of bringing a cheap guy in, but that cant be the only way we address that position. We also have so many needs, we cant blow all our cap on one WR.

[ALPHA]

Before we knock old receivers just remember the alternative is a corps made up of practice squad/camp bodies like the one we have now. Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson were available for peanuts a few months ago.

 

Top 5 studs don't just fall out of trees so if you don't have one you sign someone who used to be, we've had modest success doing this for years, Mase, Boldin, Smith etc.

[nyc9192]

Before we knock old receivers just remember the alternative is a corps made up of practice squad/camp bodies like the one we have now. Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson were available for peanuts a few months ago.

 

Top 5 studs don't just fall out of trees so if you don't have one you sign someone who used to be, we've had modest success doing this for years, Mase, Boldin, Smith etc.

Yep.We can't go into next season with this type of wr corps.In addition to your point,if you cant get a top 5 wr,nothing wrong with a mix of wrs outside the top 5 and good wr from the draft.

[ALPHA]

Yep.We can't go into next season with this type of wr corps.In addition to your point,if you cant get a top 5 wr,nothing wrong with a mix of wrs outside the top 5 and good wr from the draft.

 

I think that's the tricky part, WR has the lowest success rate and we've never developed a 1st round pick into a #1 receiver. That doesn't mean it won't happen just that for whatever reason we suck when it comes to WR. 

[PurpleCity5]

I think us trading for a WR is just as likely as us signing one. 

[Deflated Football]

I think us trading for a WR is just as likely as us signing one. 

Like Calvin if he restructures his contract? 

[rmcjacket23]

Like Calvin if he restructures his contract? 

Still couldn't afford him. He could restructure all day long, and you're still going to have cap hits in excess of $10M with him.

 

We aren't anywhere close to shopping in the $10M range for WRs. Now or in 2016.

[PurpleCity5]

Still couldn't afford him. He could restructure all day long, and you're still going to have cap hits in excess of $10M with him.

 

We aren't anywhere close to shopping in the $10M range for WRs. Now or in 2016.

Yeah, we cannot afford him either way. I wonder what we will do at WR, you can go ahead and trade for a proven guy, or wait fro one at the WR market. Oz and BIscotti were really inclined to believe that Marlon Brown and Kamar Aiken would be great rec. options but you'd have to think they're disappointed with what has happened. I don't think we'll make that same mistake again. 

 

I think its likely we trade for a WR. My reasoning being that there's always suitors for a cap cut guy. There could always be that one dumb team(Cleveland) that decides to overpay out of your price range. With trades, its just you and another team. 

Edited November 8, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Cillmatic]

Wow, Garcon is playing like TRASH this week.

[jazz1988]

As much as i have defended Oz and trust his decision making, i agree with this.  I will be very disapointed if we go into next season with basically what we have now, even if SSR returns

 

Might be too early to say this. I'm looking forward to see what Aiken, Givens, Ross, and Brown(yes even him)have going forward. These guys will still be under evaluation for the rest of the season and could surprise us fans but it's still reasonable for The Ravens to consider signing  a veteran receiver next off season.

[Deflated Football]

Before we knock old receivers just remember the alternative is a corps made up of practice squad/camp bodies like the one we have now. Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson were available for peanuts a few months ago.

 

Top 5 studs don't just fall out of trees so if you don't have one you sign someone who used to be, we've had modest success doing this for years, Mase, Boldin, Smith etc.

This really makes me mad. We've had so many chances at signing Brandon Marshall but we pass each time and all he does is ball out. I really wanted AJ as well. Thought there was a good chance we signed him because it was such a typical Ozzie move but obviously it didn't happen for reasons I would love to know. 

[usmccharles]

Might be too early to say this. I'm looking forward to see what Aiken, Givens, Ross, and Brown(yes even him)have going forward. These guys will still be under evaluation for the rest of the season and could surprise us fans but it's still reasonable for The Ravens to consider signing  a veteran receiver next off season.

Thats why i stated next season.  I think givens is a good number 3 that you can count on every now and then for a good play, i see him like jacoby was for us, but a little more involved.  Im hoping Ross shows something to give us some hope, he just needs more reps.  All that being said, i dont see any scenario that would give me confidence in BP, Aiken, Givens, Camp, Waller going into next season...i still think its a sure thing we sign a vet WR like ive been saying. 

 

This really makes me mad. We've had so many chances at signing Brandon Marshall but we pass each time and all he does is ball out. I really wanted AJ as well. Thought there was a good chance we signed him because it was such a typical Ozzie move but obviously it didn't happen for reasons I would love to know. 

I assume you mean Alshon? I would disagree saying thats a typical Oz move, he doesnt normally trade for a player thats going to command 10 mill a year

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Once again, mediocre among starters!! Do not forget that the other TEs are being paid to. Why is it a player produces anything and home town fans label him better than average. You do realize there are many TEs around the NFL producing?? A guy catches a throw and makes a block and it is characterized as above average?? lol A players playing shape is very relevant and influences his level of play and potential ceiling.

Moderately solid shape?? puuullleeeezzzeee!! lol I am in moderately solid shape for a non athlete but you call Maxx in moderately solid shape for an NFL TE. Seriously dude?? Almost everybody I know would disagree with you. And until other members show they know something about athletic performance and benefits of better muscle to fat % then you are going to need to accept and get used to my opinions being the supreme justice around here. Can your ego handle that?

Comparing Maxx Williams play to starters in the NFL and calling it an absolute objective comparison is ridiculous and why your assessment holds no weight.

Compare what hes doing right now to what above average TEs did in their rookie seasons, on a per snap, per target basis.

Do that and then feel free to offer some insight.

Comparing him to current Gronk (arguably the greatest TE to ever play in his prime) accomplishes what exactly? So if out rookie TEs aren't prime Gronk we got nothing right?

If that's the case then the solution is to just wait the 100 years it's going to take for this type of player to come along again.

--

And on the condescending comment about no one else understand body fat content or functional athleticism.... First off, suggesting someone lose fat and add muscle and assigning an arbitrary weight to it doesn't show you know anything. If you actually did know anything about it you would know that first you'd have to study his body, makeup and do some performance evaluations to set baselines before deciding what his optimal performance weight and content would be. And then there's also the stupidity in blindly saying oh drop this in fat and add this in muscle... Because dropping the fat while adding all upper body mass could sap explosiveness from the lower body, throw off balance and coordination, etc...

A players body has to do with performance, not just looking good with a shirt off.

Along the same lines though as other people needing to prove they know about athleticism and body makeup or accept you as the wise old sage on the topic....

I think you need to prove you have the slightest clue when it comes to player evaluation in general before anyone takes any of your posts seriously.

Shoot Marqise Lee, Bruce Irvin, in the offseason pretty sure you were the one spouting off about Rob Housler and a number of other FA's who have done absolutely nothing this year.

Even if you were correct in that what you want Maxx to do would have result in him becoming the type of player you think would succeed - you'd still probably be wrong because from what I've seen, your evaluations of the type of players that are ready to blow up.... Fail.

Again and again.

So, please continue to dislike Maxx and all Ravens players for that matter. Because when you start seeing their potential it's probably a sign the player is garbage.

Edited November 9, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Maryland]

It seems like our only possible compensatory pick will come from KO. Unless KO gets a crazy deal (which he may, as the only great young Guard on the market), he'll probably max-out at like a 4th round comp. pick. (Tucker will absolutely be franchised)

 

Knowing this, I think Oz should really consider ignoring the compensatory pick formula for a season and just go out and get someone we need, even if he's a UFA. We've only got 1 comp. pick to lose anyway. 

 

Some UFA names to consider:

 

Husain Abdullah

Eric Berry

Eric Weddle

Alshon Jeffrey (if he's not franchised)

Marvin Jones

Alex Mack (he will opt-out of his deal)

Olivier Vernon

Bruce Irvin

JPP

Aldon Smith (I would find this embarrassing, and I'm sure management would too)

Josh Norman

Adam Pacman Jones

Prince Amukamara 

Von Miller (100% franchised)

 

Plus you have the aforementioned cap casualty candidates

 

Garcon

Vjax

Cameron Wake (could be a good 1-year deal)

 

I would really like to get one of those veteran safeties, even if we draft Ramsey. 

 

Wow, Garcon is playing like TRASH this week.

Lol, he was pretty bad, and I was thinking about him as a cap casualty watching him too

 

He's better than that though. He reminds me of Boldin, who had some bad games/bad drops himself from time to time. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

This really makes me mad. We've had so many chances at signing Brandon Marshall but we pass each time and all he does is ball out. I really wanted AJ as well. Thought there was a good chance we signed him because it was such a typical Ozzie move but obviously it didn't happen for reasons I would love to know.

Sometimes you can't just snap your fingers, want the player and he appears.

Other teams and the players themselves have say in the matter, to what degree depends on the situation.

AJ was always going to join Frank Gore and Andrew Luck to play for the team that just lost in the AFCCG.

Marshall I'm not as sure but the Bears controlled that.

Point is we could've tried to get both - we don't know. We didn't compete with what the Colts had to offer AJ outside of comparable money to lure him here.

And hypothetically we could have made the same offer as the Jets did for Marshall and the Bears could've simply taken the Jets offer thinking we were more likely to be a playoff contending team and therefore the pick compensation would be a worse haul from us even if the picks were exactly the same.

Besides AJ's underwhelmed and Marshall's never helped a consistent winner for a reason. 1st seasons always good with production and no troubles. Then season 2 there's production but unrest and then goodbye again season 3.

[usmccharles]

It seems like our only possible compensatory pick will come from KO. Unless KO gets a crazy deal (which he may, as the only great young Guard on the market), he'll probably max-out at like a 4th round comp. pick. (Tucker will absolutely be franchised)

 

Knowing this, I think Oz should really consider ignoring the compensatory pick formula for a season and just go out and get someone we need, even if he's a UFA. We've only got 1 comp. pick to lose anyway. 

 

Some UFA names to consider:

 

Husain Abdullah

Eric Berry

Eric Weddle

Alshon Jeffrey (if he's not franchised)

Marvin Jones

Alex Mack (he will opt-out of his deal)

Olivier Vernon

Bruce Irvin

JPP

Aldon Smith (I would find this embarrassing, and I'm sure management would too)

Josh Norman

Adam Pacman Jones

Prince Amukamara 

Von Miller (100% franchised)

 

Plus you have the aforementioned cap casualty candidates

 

Garcon

Vjax

Cameron Wake (could be a good 1-year deal)

 

I would really like to get one of those veteran safeties, even if we draft Ramsey. 

 

Lol, he was pretty bad, and I was thinking about him as a cap casualty watching him too

 

He's better than that though. He reminds me of Boldin, who had some bad games/bad drops himself from time to time. 

I dont see us being able to afford any of those players, id like Berry though if possible.  I dont know much about Prince. 

 

Also, keep your eye on Roddy White, hes not being used ta all so i easily see him being cut next year and that is the exact kind of signing we would go after. 

[Maryland]

I dont see us being able to afford any of those players, id like Berry though if possible.  I dont know much about Prince. 

 

Also, keep your eye on Roddy White, hes not being used ta all so i easily see him being cut next year and that is the exact kind of signing we would go after. 

I think we'll have enough cap space to sign one good FA, especially after Flacco restructures and we cut guys like Webb, Canty, and a few other misc. guys. (Cutting Pitta will open up cap space after 2016, and SSS retiring is another 3 mil if that happens)

 

Keep in mind Weddle is getting old. I think he will be affordable, especially /w his recent penchant for nagging injuries. 

 

Don't really want Roddy White because he seems done to me (he needs to have his knees drained like every year), but that would be another option I guess if you need a possession receiver. 

Edited November 9, 2015 by Maryland

[usmccharles]

I think we'll have enough cap space to sign one good FA, especially after Flacco restructures and we cut guys like Webb, Canty, and a few other misc. guys. (Cutting Pitta will open up cap space after 2016, and SSS retiring is another 3 mil if that happens)

 

Keep in mind Weddle is getting old. I think he will be affordable, especially /w his recent penchant for nagging injuries. 

 

Don't really want Roddy White because he seems done to me (he needs to have his knees drained like every year), but that would be another option I guess if you need a possession receiver. 

What kind of cap space you think we could end up with?

 

Oh trust me, i dont want White, its just a prediction of mine ive had for quite some time.  I would much rather have Vjax. 

[Maryland]

What kind of cap space you think we could end up with?

 

Oh trust me, i dont want White, its just a prediction of mine ive had for quite some time.  I would much rather have Vjax. 

The cap rises every season it seems, so I can only look at how much we can save in 2016 by looking at OTC. You can check that for yourself here:

 

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens

 

Speaking on Flacco's restructure, Ozzie seems to usually convert all but $1 or 2 million of a player's base salary into signing bonus when he extends them. That bonus would then be spread out evenly across the rest of the contract as a cap hit. Flacco has a base salary of $18 mil in 2016. That number would probably drop to like $2 mil, but the prorated amount (the deduction in the cap) would rise depending on how many years Flacco is extended. It's impossible to know how much his restructure will save without knowing how many years he is extended, but I'd say we could save at least $10 mil by restructuring (more if it's a longer extension). The cap hit will go up, but his base salary will go down. 

 

Cap space will also depend on whether we franchise Tucker (that's like 5 mil) or extend him. I think after all this, 10-15 mil in cap space is realistic. You need ~5 mil for draft picks though, and some cushion for regular season roster moves. 

[Deflated Football]

Thats why i stated next season.  I think givens is a good number 3 that you can count on every now and then for a good play, i see him like jacoby was for us, but a little more involved.  Im hoping Ross shows something to give us some hope, he just needs more reps.  All that being said, i dont see any scenario that would give me confidence in BP, Aiken, Givens, Camp, Waller going into next season...i still think its a sure thing we sign a vet WR like ive been saying. 

 

I assume you mean Alshon? I would disagree saying thats a typical Oz move, he doesnt normally trade for a player thats going to command 10 mill a year

No, I meant Andre Johnson.

[Winchester]

I don't think Alshon will command nearly as much as Dez,Calvin,Jones,green and company. I see an average of $10mil a year or so. I really like Alshon. He is a faster taller Boldin. Very awesome ball skills and his speed and route running skill is very underrated. His rep as bad separation skills he earned while weighing 240 lbs. At 6'3 1\2 217lbs he has very good speed and burst. Brian Quick has similar skill if healthy. But Alshon is the proven commodity. Mix him with Doctson,Boyd or somebody and Stanley at LT. And the Ravens offense can win shootouts with anybody. Mix in Allen refining his receiving skills with the Ursch at center and Wagner rejuvenated,and Ravens are #1 offense even if Perriman is a bust.

[52liveforever]

A players body has to do with performance, not just looking good with a shirt off.

 

 

This is really all that needed to be said. I died laughing

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

This is really all that needed to be said. I died laughing

Time to put this to death

 

It's time for a lesson in basic anatomy. And here, we have our first contestant, Dwayne the Rock Johnson

Link

And here we have our second contestant, our very own Crockett GIllmore....(closest height weight comparison I could find)

 Link 

 

Who's body looks better.

 

The Rock, by far. He makes me feel like less of man when I type this.....

 

 

Who is stronger??

 

Well lets see. Bulk does not always equate to strength. The Rock has more of it, but guys like Crockett specifically train for strength. Tbh, the Rock would probably get destroyed if he had to take on NFL olinemen today(when he was at Miami different story). Who looks better? Easily the rock. But if the Rock and ZDS had to arm wrestle today, ZDS would win.

In fact, most nfl players that are not QBs, Kickers, Punters, and so on could probably do it. They're not cut.. They're strong in certain areas of their body. They're also EASILY in better shape the Rock hopes to be.

 

And if you really look at Maxx, his problem is long speed. Which isn't his game anyway. Maxx has short area quickness, burst and great hands, and when he develops more as a route runner will easily be the best TE on the roster. And when we get a deep threat and the middle is open, we just might have found a version of Dennis Pitta who blocks for us. Which scares the hell out of me btw. I expected him to have this kind of year. He needs work getting up to NFL speed. And even then, he leads rookie TEs in receptions and yards. With an injury mind you. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens sooner rather than later(in terms of years).. I mean, we have a good track record with TES(Heap, Pitta, Gillmore has turned into a good TE).

And yes, I understand that Boyle looks better now, but so did Dickson his rookie year. 

 

What some people are failing to realize is, that in the future we're going to be able to use two TE sets. So yes. I EASILY prefer Maxx to any of the FA TEs. 

Edited November 13, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Tru11]

I think we'll have enough cap space to sign one good FA, especially after Flacco restructures and we cut guys like Webb, Canty, and a few other misc. guys. (Cutting Pitta will open up cap space after 2016, and SSS retiring is another 3 mil if that happens)

 

Keep in mind Weddle is getting old. I think he will be affordable, especially /w his recent penchant for nagging injuries. 

 

Don't really want Roddy White because he seems done to me (he needs to have his knees drained like every year), but that would be another option I guess if you need a possession receiver. 

 

we could sign 1 good player but its not going to leave much to adress other holes on the team properly.

if we are going to rely on rookies we might be in the same mess as this year.

[Tru11]

Time to put this to death

 

It's time for a lesson in basic anatomy. And here, we have our first contestant, Dwayne the Rock Johnson

Link

And here we have our second contestant, our very own Crockett GIllmore....(closest height weight comparison I could find)

 Link 

 

Who's body looks better.

 

The Rock, by far. He makes me feel like less of man when I type this.....

 

 

Who is stronger??

 

Well lets see. Bulk does not always equate to strength. The Rock has more of it, but guys like Crockett specifically train for strength. Tbh, the Rock would probably get destroyed if he had to take on NFL olinemen today(when he was at Miami different story). Who looks better? Easily the rock. But if the Rock and ZDS had to arm wrestle today, ZDS would win.

In fact, most nfl players that are not QBs, Kickers, Punters, and so on could probably do it. They're not cut.. They're strong in certain areas of their body. They're also EASILY in better shape the Rock hopes to be.

 

And if you really look at Maxx, his problem is long speed. Which isn't his game anyway. Maxx has short area quickness, burst and great hands, and when he develops more as a route runner will easily be the best TE on the roster. And when we get a deep threat and the middle is open, we just might have found a version of Dennis Pitta who blocks for us. Which scares the hell out of me btw. I expected him to have this kind of year. He needs work getting up to NFL speed. And even then, he leads rookie TEs in receptions and yards. With an injury mind you. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens sooner rather than later(in terms of years).. I mean, we have a good track record with TES(Heap, Pitta, Gillmore has turned into a good TE).

And yes, I understand that Boyle looks better now, but so did Dickson his rookie year. 

 

What some people are failing to realize is, that in the future we're going to be able to use two TE sets. So yes. I EASILY prefer Maxx to any of the FA TEs. 

 

maxx reminds me of jason witten and heath miller.

 

if he can get a career like them ill be really happy.

[usmccharles]

Now it makes sense why Max didnt go in the first, he doesnt have abs...

Edited November 13, 2015 by usmccharles

[PurpleCity5]

I don't think Alshon will command nearly as much as Dez,Calvin,Jones,green and company. I see an average of $10mil a year or so. I really like Alshon. He is a faster taller Boldin. Very awesome ball skills and his speed and route running skill is very underrated. His rep as bad separation skills he earned while weighing 240 lbs. At 6'3 1\2 217lbs he has very good speed and burst. Brian Quick has similar skill if healthy. But Alshon is the proven commodity. Mix him with Doctson,Boyd or somebody and Stanley at LT. And the Ravens offense can win shootouts with anybody. Mix in Allen refining his receiving skills with the Ursch at center and Wagner rejuvenated,and Ravens are #1 offense even if Perriman is a bust.

Alshon will def. make more than $10M and he has all the leverage in the world. He pretty much saved the Bears offense from collapsing and has been on a tear lately. Chicago can't afford letting him go allowing him to command a very high salary.