2016 free agency

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Here is who we sign next offseason,

jason pieere paul, believe it or not outside of tucker and yanda. WE BADLY need this guy, with sizzle getting older he is the only man in his prime that does what sizzle can do. 

Alshon Jeffery; For obvious reasons

Trade for roddy white: Again obvious reasons

Eric Weddle: Secondary obvious

We can afford these guys alot of people are getting the boot, and plus we can get best safety coming out of the draft jalen ramsay, this guy can do everything ed reed could do, we need him. 

Impossible. And the only one I'd want is Jeffery

[rmw10]

I think Forsett & Webb likely stick around another year unless something ridiculous happens. I don't see them going anywhere yet. 

 

As for Zuttah, I really can't stand him and I would love to upgrade him if possible. He is constantly pushed back. He's the definition of slightly below average. 

 

I think we will likely go to the draft for OLB & sign a cheap veteran for OLB in FA. Tamba Hali makes some sense to me. I see our big money going to the secondary, but there aren't many big names next year. Amukamara, Norman? They probably return to their respective teams. Maybe we can get a guy like Sean Smith or Trumaine Johnson. Eric Berry is possible, but I think the Chiefs bring him back, too. 

 

Webb is an interesting one.  $3.5M savings, which we could absolutely use, but are you going to find another CB for that price?  Seems unlikely unless you can strike gold with someone like Corey Graham again.  Webb hasn't been great, but he's been a contributor for us this season at the least.  The health is obviously the major kicker.

[rmw10]

Dont you think after season we are about to have, that ozzie will take exception. 

 

Nope, I do not.  Ozzie is not one to spend big on free agents.  That's what you call a panic move that can set your franchise back even further.

[GrimCoconut]

pierre paul and eric weddle. 

I didn't mention them for a reason. 

 

Pierre Paul is more of a 4-3 DE and I'm not sure how he would do in a 3-4, but people said the same thing about Mario Williams, so there is that. Problem with him is the injury and whether he can be as effective after it. Yeah, it may not affect his pass rush and sacks, but what about an INT when he has to catch the ball? 

 

As for Weddle, he wants to get paid, IIRC, and threw a fit earlier in the year for more money. I can't recall, maybe I'm wrong. I may need to fact-check myself here.

[curtis0360]

Impossible. And the only one I'd want is Jeffery

I wouldnt say impossible at all, alot of people are leaving we will probably cut pitta and way more

[Winchester]

Yanda, Tucker and maybe osemele depending on his cost. The rest I will be happy to see go!! Grim I am so glad somebody finally agrees that upshaw is terrible!! Useless as an edge rusher in a throwing league. Good riddance Upshaw you bust!!

Edited October 12, 2015 by Winchester

[Dr. Kelley]

Retain Yanda, and Tucker. Both are within our realm of price. In fact, do it now. Save us the trouble. Aiken seems to be a good #3. And Givens can be a purist deep threat so keep both of them. If Upshaw comes back for the vet min, take it.

Sucks to see KO gone, but I think Urschel can adequately replace him.

I'd cut Forsett, Webb, and Zuttah, and Canty. This would save us about 8 million. Which should be enough for us to retain Yanda.

FA wise I'd target Josh Norman

If we cut zuttah and urschell steps up for KO, who do you think will step up at center?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If we cut zuttah and urschell steps up for KO, who do you think will step up at center?

A draft pick. This is a good center class

[curtis0360]

I didn't mention them for a reason. 

 

Pierre Paul is more of a 4-3 DE and I'm not sure how he would do in a 3-4, but people said the same thing about Mario Williams, so there is that. Problem with him is the injury and whether he can be as effective after it. Yeah, it may not affect his pass rush and sacks, but what about an INT when he has to catch the ball? 

 

As for Weddle, he wants to get paid, IIRC, and threw a fit earlier in the year for more money. I can't recall, maybe I'm wrong. I may need to fact-check myself here.

i can understand weddle, but pieere paul, i dont think his injury will prevent him from being who he was, he will be cheaper than most people realize that is why i want him

[GrimCoconut]

A draft pick. This is a good center class

It's very rare a rookie center amounts to much in their first year. It's also quite an anomaly since centers picked high seem to not be as good as those picked later, lol.

[GrimCoconut]

i can understand weddle, but pieere paul, i dont think his injury will prevent him from being who he was, he will be cheaper than most people realize that is why i want him

Do you honestly think he can be a 3-4 OLB, set the edge standing up and cover while trying to rush standing up?

[Cillmatic]

If JPP agrees to use prosthetic fingers I'd try to get him.

[curtis0360]

It's very rare a rookie center amounts to much in their first year. It's also quite an anomaly since centers picked high seem to not be as good as those picked later, lol.

Jalen ramsay might work or we could try for a pass rusher, but the secondary is still proving to be the most glaring hole, i dont see how other positions come before it.

[curtis0360]

Do you honestly think he can be a 3-4 OLB, set the edge standing up and cover while trying to rush standing up?

Do you really think that dean pees is staying after this year?, we should go back to 4-3 keep it simple, stop thinking so much. 

[ratedr]

Jalen ramsay might work or we could try for a pass rusher, but the secondary is still proving to be the most glaring hole, i dont see how other positions come before it.

Good pass rush can mask a bad secondary. Boooooosa.

[GrimCoconut]

If JPP agrees to use prosthetic fingers I'd try to get him.

Let's ask him to go full-on Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid & get he cybernetic arm & use it to stun the offensive lineman & get to the QB!

[GrimCoconut]

Do you really think that dean pees is staying after this year?, we should go back to 4-3 keep it simple, stop thinking so much. 

The Ravens run a hybrid system that mixes both alignments, but the defense is the defense regardless of who coordinates, it would seem. We haven't run a true 4-3 in years. Maybe it's been a decade since we were a true 4-3. 

[curtis0360]

Good pass rush can mask a bad secondary. Boooooosa.

Then what happened last year, we had one of the best pass rushes in the league, and it still got us kicked out of the playoffs. 

[rmw10]

Then what happened last year, we had one of the best pass rushes in the league, and it still got us kicked out of the playoffs. 

 

We definitely entered last year very weak at CB after Jimmy and Webb, but it's hard to put too much fault with all of the injuries we suffered.  I mean, we were playing guys found on the street and on practice squads at the end of the year.  That's a bit different than just having a bad secondary.  We seriously hit a completely unlucky string of injuries at the position.  That doesn't excuse it or anything, but the secondary we're playing with now is a lot more talented than the one we were playing with at the end of last season.

[PurpleCity5]

As far as additions go, we need a FS very badly. Kendrick Lewis has been bad in coverage and average as a run stopper, he's even looked bad at times in that department too. I don't know what you can do as a safety if you can't cover or defend the run.

 

At the top of my wish list and my most priced Free Agent is Eric Weddle. Goodness I want him here so badly, he would solve so many of our problems its not even funny. He would be the perfect medication to our illness of big plays. I want him in Baltimore really badly. Sadly, there is a such thing as cap space. I know Ngata and Rice come off the books, but Flaccos cap will spike, I know we'll get a deal done but I don't think we'll have much to work with. Getting Weddle here will allow us to draft a pass rusher very highly and focus on this WR core. Mike Tomlin is a big fan of him, so steeling(Pun intended) him from Pittsburgh, would make it that much more awesome. Him and Will Hill would just be unfair. I don't know if we have the cap space, but man I want him here. 

 

Another guy at the near top of my wish list is Vincent Jackson from Tampa. I've been vocal about this, I don't think he'll return to Tampa. I think this is his last season there. Tampa Bay has been really adamant in releasing players who don't play up to their contracts. They did it with Darelle Revis after one season, and they also did it to Michael Johnson as well. They even tried to trade him last season and found no one. He would be a great #1 or #2, depending on Perriman. Another guy I like is Marvin Jones, he would be a great #2 here. VJax, Perriman, Campanaro and Aiken would be a pretty nice group of guys. I'd still like to see us draft a WR early even with that group. 

 

I also like Marvin Jones from Cincy, but It depends on the market for that one. Someone could value him a little too much quiet honestly. 

 

We need a Pass rush awfully bad, the guys we have just won't get it done. With Doom and Sizzle we should have a nice duo, but we still would need a backup plan. Biscotti was right when he voiced concerns for a pass rusher. I love Mike Neal from Green Bay. He can rush the passer. He can rush from the interior or from the outside. I like him alot for this team. He would be a true replacement for McPhee.

[curtis0360]

The Ravens run a hybrid system that mixes both alignments, but the defense is the defense regardless of who coordinates, it would seem. We haven't run a true 4-3 in years. Maybe it's been a decade since we were a true 4-3. 

We are making it too complicated postgame report said the same thing time to simplify go back to basics. 4-3 is a traditional scheme that can rush the passer and stop the run, only use 3-4 on passing downs, were dummervil is most effective, use JPP in the 4-3 where he is most effective. It can work

[rmw10]

We are making it too complicated postgame report said the same thing time to simplify go back to basics. 4-3 is a traditional scheme that can rush the passer and stop the run, only use 3-4 on passing downs, were dummervil is most effective, use JPP in the 4-3 where he is most effective. It can work

 

Passing downs use the nickel defense, which is a 4-3 base, with a LB subbed out for an extra CB.

 

We'll continue to run a hybrid defense with a base 3-4.

[curtis0360]

We definitely entered last year very weak at CB after Jimmy and Webb, but it's hard to put too much fault with all of the injuries we suffered.  I mean, we were playing guys found on the street and on practice squads at the end of the year.  That's a bit different than just having a bad secondary.  We seriously hit a completely unlucky string of injuries at the position.  That doesn't excuse it or anything, but the secondary we're playing with now is a lot more talented than the one we were playing with at the end of last season.

Our secondary was mostly healthy the last few weeks and look how bad they have played. Just now we are struggling with injuries, we either sign eric weddle or draft jalen ramsay i personally dont see how our secondary can drastically improve without players like them. 

[GrimCoconut]

We are making it too complicated postgame report said the same thing time to simplify go back to basics. 4-3 is a traditional scheme that can rush the passer and stop the run, only use 3-4 on passing downs, were dummervil is most effective, use JPP in the 4-3 where he is most effective. It can work

Switching between the 3-4 & 4-3 was never a problem before for years here. I don't see why it would be now. I also don't see how well we would do if we go against a sugar-huddle offense. That would kill the defense without versatile pieces on the field to mix the alignment. Also, we would have serious cap tied into the OLB under your proposal. I have no problem with JPP, mind you, but if Greg Hardy got the deal he did, I think he could get paid decently as well.

[rmw10]

Our secondary was mostly healthy the last few weeks and look how bad they have played. Just now we are struggling with injuries, we either sign eric weddle or draft jalen ramsay i personally dont see how our secondary can drastically improve without players like them. 

 

Yeah they're healthy but we also don't have any semblance of a pass rush in front of them.  Obviously there's no way to tell for sure, but I'd expect the results to be a lot different if we had Suggs and McPhee in front of them.

[curtis0360]

Passing downs use the nickel defense, which is a 4-3 base, with a LB subbed out for an extra CB.

 

We'll continue to run a hybrid defense with a base 3-4.

Im talking the way we have been using it we used the 3-4 was on passing downs, it puts the OLBS near the line of scrimage to rush the passer. 

[rmw10]

Im talking the way we have been using it we used the 3-4 was on passing downs, it puts the OLBS near the line of scrimage to rush the passer. 

 

A 4-3 base is primarily used on pass rushing downs, not the 3-4.  The OLB typically slides down to DE.

[curtis0360]

Switching between the 3-4 & 4-3 was never a problem before for years here. I don't see why it would be now. I also don't see how well we would do if we go against a sugar-huddle offense. That would kill the defense without versatile pieces on the field to mix the alignment. Also, we would have serious cap tied into the OLB under your proposal. I have no problem with JPP, mind you, but if Greg Hardy got the deal he did, I think he could get paid decently as well.

with his finger hurt his value drops that is why JPP can come to us, the giants withdrew their offer member

[ratedr]

Then what happened last year, we had one of the best pass rushes in the league, and it still got us kicked out of the playoffs. 

Secondary is bad now but looks worse because of no pass rush.

 

Last year we were basically starting Giant cashiers at CB.

[K-Dog]

Nope, I do not.  Ozzie is not one to spend big on free agents.  That's what you call a panic move that can set your franchise back even further.

and Ozzie has ice in his veins.  he does not panic.