2016 free agency

[Ravens2343]

I think Guy is safe and worth the price tag. He's one of few finding ways to get pressure on the QB. He should be back as a quality reserve.

 

I agree I think its highly unlikely we part with Guy.  If anything I think we could extend him for a couple more years.  With Canty almost certainly going to be cut this offseason, Guy is a very good rotational lineman that can play all 3 spots for us.

 

I think Zuttah is safe unless we land a good prospect in the draft.

 

Levine is most likely out of here

 

I think we hold onto Matt Elam for one more year, he looked better this offseason

Edited October 26, 2015 by Ravens2343

[rmw10]

Yeah - probably should have removed him from that list ... Levine yes, but Guy ... especially given we'll be parting ways with Canty, will likely be a keeper at his price.

With the way Guy has been playing lately, I'd keep him as the starter over Canty if/when he comes back this year.

[BmoreBird22]

With the way Guy has been playing lately, I'd keep him as the starter over Canty if/when he comes back this year.

Yeah, seriously. I think people fail to understand that Guy is playing really well and even though the Ravens save $1M, someone else takes his place and that's at least 500k, so the Ravens really only save 500k in the long run. Is there someone out there for 500k playing better than Guy? I'd highly doubt it.

[rmcjacket23]

Yeah, seriously. I think people fail to understand that Guy is playing really well and even though the Ravens save $1M, someone else takes his place and that's at least 500k, so the Ravens really only save 500k in the long run. Is there someone out there for 500k playing better than Guy? I'd highly doubt it.

He's quality depth at the very least. I think he's here next year for certain.

[BmoreBird22]

He's quality depth at the very least. I think he's here next year for certain.

He was one of the better rotational 3-4 DE's last year and he's playing like a pretty solid starter. Nothing special, but definitely solid

[Tru11]

He was one of the better rotational 3-4 DE's last year and he's playing like a pretty solid starter. Nothing special, but definitely solid

 

he leads the team in sacks , so there that to consider lol.

 

i really doubt he will be gone since he is pretty cheap and we save very little to let him go.

like you said he has been one of the better guys last year and this year on our team.

[PurpleCity5]

There's no way we cut Guy. 

[Winchester]

Umm, no, completely wrong.

 

He was a 2nd round pick. There aren't a ton of high-end edge rushers coming out of the second round in drafts. He was drafted to be the replacement for JJ, who also wasn't overly good at getting to the QB. He was drafted to stop the run.

 

Harbs said he would like to see him get to the QB more because 1. we just lost Pernell McPhee to FA and 2. we lost Suggs to injury. 

 

Failing to meet expectations is subjective, because it depends on what the expectations were to begin with. Obviously, neither you nor I are capable of speaking for the franchise's expectations, because neither of us know specifically what they were. If he gets resigned in Baltimore, which I think he does, we will have a clue.

 

Whether he meets YOUR expectations or not is irrelevant. There was nothing on film from him in Alabama to indicate this guy was going to be a quality edge rusher, so if you developed those expectations on your own, then the failed expectations is a YOU problem, not an Upshaw or Ravens problem.

 

Standard response from fans on these boards lately. Setting

unreasonable, baseless expectations, and then complaining when players don't meet them. 

 

He's been a key player for us in the past, and we certainly were contenders then. So saying "they're not a contender because he's a key player" has already been proven false.

Umm, no, completely wrong.

 

He was a 2nd round pick. There aren't a ton of high-end edge rushers coming out of the second round in drafts. He was drafted to be the replacement for JJ, who also wasn't overly good at getting to the QB. He was drafted to stop the run.

 

Harbs said he would like to see him get to the QB more because 1. we just lost Pernell McPhee to FA and 2. we lost Suggs to injury. 

 

Failing to meet expectations is subjective, because it depends on what the expectations were to begin with. Obviously, neither you nor I are capable of speaking for the franchise's expectations, because neither of us know specifically what they were. If he gets resigned in Baltimore, which I think he does, we will have a clue.

 

Whether he meets YOUR expectations or not is irrelevant. There was nothing on film from him in Alabama to indicate this guy was going to be a quality edge rusher, so if you developed those expectations on your own, then the failed expectations is a YOU problem, not an Upshaw or Ravens problem.

 

Standard response from fans on these boards lately. Setting unreasonable, baseless expectations, and then complaining when players don't meet them. 

 

He's been a key player for us in the past, and we certainly were contenders then. So saying "they're not a contender because he's a key player" has already been proven false.

Amazing post and response!! lol, finding a player at the top of round 2 that is an impact player that can rush the qb is unreasonable?? So this is the modern idea of a ravens success story!! I'm not surprised they are 1-5. If calling him a disappointment over bust makes you feel better........ The defense is terrible and he is a huge reason. The defense returning to formidable status begins with replacing some players. Scrubshaw is one of those players.

[jazz1988]

Amazing post and response!! lol, finding a player at the top of round 2 that is an impact player that can rush the qb is unreasonable?? So this is the modern idea of a ravens success story!! I'm not surprised they are 1-5. If calling him a disappointment over bust makes you feel better........ The defense is terrible and he is a huge reason. The defense returning to formidable status begins with replacing some players. Scrubshaw is one of those players.

 

Upshaw was never drafted to be a sack master or anything . He was bought in to be Jarret Johnson replacement and he has done good job of that. He's not a flashy player but he gets the dirty work done on defense that some fans may not see on tv. If The Ravens ever thought he was going to be this elite pass rusher they probably wouldn't have signed Doom but the season not over with it.

 

Upshaw may end up with 5 sacks or something by the end of the season .

[rmw10]

Upshaw was never drafted to be a sack master or anything . He was bought in to be Jarret Johnson replacement and he has done good job of that. He's not a flashy player but he gets the dirty work done on defense that some fans may not see on tv. If The Ravens ever thought he was going to be this elite pass rusher they probably wouldn't have signed Doom but the season not over with it.

 

Upshaw may end up with 5 sacks or something by the end of the season .

 

I think when you draft a guy 35th overall, you're looking for more than a 2 down run plugger.  I think Upshaw has value to the team, but there's not much question in my mind that he hasn't quite lived up to expectations or draft value.

[rmcjacket23]

Amazing post and response!! lol, finding a player at the top of round 2 that is an impact player that can rush the qb is unreasonable?? So this is the modern idea of a ravens success story!! I'm not surprised they are 1-5. If calling him a disappointment over bust makes you feel better........ The defense is terrible and he is a huge reason. The defense returning to formidable status begins with replacing some players. Scrubshaw is one of those players.

No, its not unreasonable... if you're actually drafting a player who you perceive to be an actual edge rusher, which again, there's no indication from anything you saw from Upshaw in college that he was that player.

 

So, in a way, yes, its unreasonable. Its unreasonable to expect a player to excel at something they've never excelled at and you didn't draft them to do to begin with.

[rmcjacket23]

I think when you draft a guy 35th overall, you're looking for more than a 2 down run plugger.  I think Upshaw has value to the team, but there's not much question in my mind that he hasn't quite lived up to expectations or draft value.

Not real sure about that. If you're taking an OLB from a major University who can both rush the passer and stop the run, there's a good bet he's not available at 35 overall to be taken. He's gone long before that in most cases.

 

Guys that fall to the second round are typically first round-level talents, but are missing something that other first rounders have. Sometimes its a character flaw, sometimes its speed, and in this case, its a well-rounded player.

[rmw10]

Not real sure about that. If you're taking an OLB from a major University who can both rush the passer and stop the run, there's a good bet he's not available at 35 overall to be taken. He's gone long before that in most cases.

 

Guys that fall to the second round are typically first round-level talents, but are missing something that other first rounders have. Sometimes its a character flaw, sometimes its speed, and in this case, its a well-rounded player.

 

Then the bigger issue is the fact that we took said player at pick 35 knowing his skill set was nothing special.  I'd guess we expected him to do a bit more and we just didn't get it.

[rmcjacket23]

Then the bigger issue is the fact that we took said player at pick 35 knowing his skill set was nothing special.  I'd guess we expected him to do a bit more and we just didn't get it.

No, we took him knowing he didn't have all the tools to be an All-Pro OLB. We took him thinking he had the tools to be a quality edge setting linebacker, which is largely what he's done.

 

And generally speaking, I'd agree, we don't typically always take second round players and think they are going to be dominant forces in the league. In many cases, they become quality players who fill a quality role for us.

[Kid87]

The only way we get Alshon next year is if Trestman stays.. but I don't like trestman Forreal

Edited October 27, 2015 by Kid87

[rafahash]

Trestman will stay. I'm not convinced even Pees will be fired.

[Deflated Football]

Trestman will stay. I'm not convinced even Pees will be fired.

 

Why is that? 

[usmccharles]

Trestman will stay. I'm not convinced even Pees will be fired.

As he should.  I would love to see another OC try to make an effective game plan with UDFAs and practice squad WRs.  While i disagree with some of his playcalls, thats just way it goes.  Sometimes they work, some times they dont.  Getting rid of Trestman, means we would have to find someone else.  5 OCS in 5 years for Joe, thats a setup for failure

[Winchester]

No, we took him knowing he didn't have all the tools to be an All-Pro OLB. We took him thinking he had the tools to be a quality edge setting linebacker, which is largely what he's done.

 

And generally speaking, I'd agree, we don't typically always take second round players and think they are going to be dominant forces in the league. In many cases, they become quality players who fill a quality role for us.

So the ravens #1 pick was expected to be a role player?? No surprise they are 1-6 with that thinking

[52liveforever]

As he should.  I would love to see another OC try to make an effective game plan with UDFAs and practice squad WRs.  While i disagree with some of his playcalls, thats just way it goes.  Sometimes they work, some times they dont.  Getting rid of Trestman, means we would have to find someone else.  5 OCS in 5 years for Joe, thats a setup for failure

 

I couldn't agree more. On top of that he is calling someone else's offense so of course he isn't going to be perfect right out of the gate. I think he will get better and perhaps Harbs will give him some liberties with the playbook going into next year. I think Buck is perfect for a lot of the stuff he likes to run.

 

I think blending his style with Kubiaks could prove to be quite effective. We just have to get Joe some help at wide receiver.

[usmccharles]

I couldn't agree more. On top of that he is calling someone else's offense so of course he isn't going to be perfect right out of the gate. I think he will get better and perhaps Harbs will give him some liberties with the playbook going into next year. I think Buck is perfect for a lot of the stuff he likes to run.

 

I think blending his style with Kubiaks could prove to be quite effective. We just have to get Joe some help at wide receiver.

Something that i said before back in the day when we had Rice and Pierce: Id love to see forset in the slot and allen in the backfield, i think that could cause some big problems for some defense.  I was a huge advocate for this a couple years ago and havent seen anyone else mention it. 

[Boddiebroadus]

What about Josh Gordon? He will be a RFA next season and if he can get the last game of the 2014 season where he was suspended reinstated then he'd be a UFA next season.

I know about all his issue but they guy is unbelievable. Plus before ray rice the Ravens have always been the team to give guys a second change. Also why he got suspended this season was for having beers with his coach after the season was over. He had 4 beers. The previous suspension was for weed he had trace amounts of thc in his system. 20 nanograms is the leagues threshold which is lower then most other sport (NBA 50) this is to help with second hand smoke. Gordon had 38. Then retested on a two part test. Test A he was at 16 nanograms, which for this test is one point over. The second test he was at 13 nanograms which is far below.

Anyway my point is dude seems just to have gotten a bad rep and bad timing has screwed him twice.

[usmccharles]

What about Josh Gordon? He will be a RFA next season and if he can get the last game of the 2014 season where he was suspended reinstated then he'd be a UFA next season.

I know about all his issue but they guy is unbelievable. Plus before ray rice the Ravens have always been the team to give guys a second change. Also why he got suspended this season was for having beers with his coach after the season was over. He had 4 beers. The previous suspension was for weed he had trace amounts of thc in his system. 20 nanograms is the leagues threshold which is lower then most other sport (NBA 50) this is to help with second hand smoke. Gordon had 38. Then retested on a two part test. Test A he was at 16 nanograms, which for this test is one point over. The second test he was at 13 nanograms which is far below.

Anyway my point is dude seems just to have gotten a bad rep and bad timing has screwed him twice.

No doubt he has talent, but we cant afford to invest in a guy that wont see that field at some point, i would bet money that he gets another suspension.  If we could get him for the minumum then of course gamble, but i have a feeling he will want too much money.  End up on the cowboys, raiders, panthers maybe. 

[mc_red23]

No doubt he has talent, but we cant afford to invest in a guy that wont see that field at some point, i would bet money that he gets another suspension.  If we could get him for the minumum then of course gamble, but i have a feeling he will want too much money.  End up on the cowboys, raiders, panthers maybe. 

 

I agree with this. He may have great talent but we can't afford to take a risk in bringing him in just for him to get suspended again at some point and then we're back to square 1 like this season. 

[-Truth-]

I think when you draft a guy 35th overall, you're looking for more than a 2 down run plugger. I think Upshaw has value to the team, but there's not much question in my mind that he hasn't quite lived up to expectations or draft value.

I'm in agreement here. I understand the point about drafting Upshaw to be an edge-setter, but I assume the FO was planning on acquiring a competent pass rusher, or at least not an outright liability. I personally thought the tape said otherwise. The truth is that Upshaw has been arguably one of the worst pass rushing LBs in the league and that's what stings about drafting a player that high.

[rmcjacket23]

So the ravens #1 pick was expected to be a role player?? No surprise they are 1-6 with that thinking

Basically, yes. That's what happens when you're #1 pick is on day 2.

 

Take a look around at some of the other day 2 picks lately and you'll see a lot of them being taken by other teams aren't expected or projected to be All-Pro's either.

 

I'm baffled as to how fans don't understand this concept at this point.

[rmw10]

I'm in agreement here. I understand the point about drafting Upshaw to be an edge-setter, but I assume the FO was planning on acquiring a competent pass rusher, or at least not an outright liability. I personally thought the tape said otherwise. The truth is that Upshaw has been arguably one of the worst pass rushing LBs in the league and that's what stings about drafting a player that high.

Yep. I don't think we expected a double digit sack guy, but I think we were hoping to get maybe a 6-8 sack guy in addition to his edge setting capabilities. He's offered next to nothing in terms of pass rush.

[Winchester]

Basically, yes. That's what happens when you're #1 pick is on day 2.

Take a look around at some of the other day 2 picks lately and you'll see a lot of them being taken by other teams aren't expected or projected to be All-Pro's either.

I'm baffled as to how fans don't understand this concept at this point.

I'm baffled by fans that really believe a team enters the drafts looking for mediocre players. Did not they trade down?? So whose fault is it their first pick was #35?? And do you want a list of impact players drafted after that?? And did not they say " we feel we got the best edge RUSHER in the drsft??1 impact players for 2 mediocre players?? that can be pulled off practice squads. Edge setters can be found in mid rounds. If that is seriously how Ozzie thinks these days.... Hang on for the ride!! Strap in it is gonna get bumpy!! Edited October 27, 2015 by Winchester

[-Truth-]

Yep. I don't think we expected a double digit sack guy, but I think we were hoping to get maybe a 6-8 sack guy in addition to his edge setting capabilities. He's offered next to nothing in terms of pass rush.

This exactly.

[Tru11]

I'm baffled by fans that really believe a team enters the drafts looking for mediocre players. Did not they trade down?? 1 impact players for 2 mediocre players?? that can be pulled off practice squads. Edge setters can be found in mid rounds. If that is seriously how Ozzie thinks these days.... Hang on for the ride!! Strap in it is gonna get bumpy!!

 

ive got to hand it to you.

 

the stuff you say is pure comedy.

 

i actually enjoy reading them