2016 free agency

[Winchester]

Who specifically have you seen proclaim Williams to be the next Rob Gronkowski? I'm interested in hearing which members the comment is geared towards. Of course Williams isn't an elite TE. There hasn't been a rookie TE in recent memory who was viewed among the absolute best within the first few weeks of the season. I'd personally prefer to believe that a 2nd round selection isn't assessed via the pass/fail method based on whether he carves his name alongside of three of the best mismatch-creating TEs of their era when in their prime. Twenty pounds would drop him into the 220s, which is a bit preposterous. He could stand to be leaner, yes. He's always lacked an extra gear and there's a significant chance that he never develops one. But your assessments of his physique are crassly exaggerated. He's likely one of the younger players in the entire league and you're continuously berating him for not establishing property dietary planning despite the fact that few players at his age have the matter entirely figured out. There's a significant difference between being hard on a player and having hilariously unreasonable expectations. I feel that a theme alert should be required on the latter.

As adamant as you were about judging a specific player by how he fares on the field, you've shown a willful disregard in this scenario in lieu of several photographs and an article dating several months back. Based on your comments of perpetual disappointment, it begs to wonder whether you've observed much of him at all through the first several weeks. I posted a minor breakdown of his performance some time last week with over a half-dozen .gifs that illustrated his effectiveness. I then posted another brief yet favorable assessment of how he's fared in other games as well as a detailed evaluation of our somewhat unconventional TE usage, which has been partly responsible for the fact that we've targeted our trio just combined 10 times on 10+ yard throws. He's shown well as a blocker. He's also found separation in the passing game despite an alleged utter lack of athletic tools. I'd wager that I could point to several examples of Williams finding creases or separating in most games thus far. I recall two from the San Francisco game alone which could've resulted in either a score or a big play, despite the fact that he played a mere 19 snaps in that contest. PFF currently has Maxx Williams pegged as the 4th highest graded TE, with positive grades in literally every facet. Is he currently the 4th best TE in the NFL? Heavens no. He's yet to win the starting job, let alone do enough to compete with the likes of Gronkowski, Tyler Eifert, Travis Kelce, Jimmy Graham for a spot in the upper echelon. But it at least corroborates the notion that he's shown well thus far.

Many peeps around here talk like he is a future pro bowler. TEs can be effective with pedestrian athleticism. Especially if a feared WR opens this up. But not elite. That's where you and I differ. You are applauding mediocrity. Shown well as a blocker?? Found separation?? That is nothing to do cartwheels over. And I would like to think I do have some credibility judging athletic skills

If you are going to question my quotes, at least get it right. I said lose 15-20 of his flab and replace it with muscle. Where does that put him at 220lbs?? My assessment of his physique is actually quite accurate. Again I am fairly qualified to do so. Don't you you think so?? There are WRs that have more lean mass than Fat Maxx does. Andre Johnson for beginners. If you stripped Maxx of his flab, Andre Johnson would be the bigger stronger looking athlete with more muscle mass. Yes if he lost his flab he would not be an ideal TEs playwright. But you are correct. 220s is preposterous. If he leaned out to a proper TE physique he would be about 235. That is why I said drop 15-20 lbs of flab and replace it with 15-20 lbs of functional muscle. BTW if he got in shape I would wager he will find that extra gear. Bodyfat slows you down quite effectively. Just ask Suggs. And Maxx does not have to figure it out. He has some of the finest trainers and nutritionists around him. He just needs to follow it.

Unless he makes some change I am calling Maxx a very mediocre TE. And that is all he will ever be. Sorry if that offends anybody!! And that will make him a disappointment considering Ozzie traded up for him, ravens already had Gilmore,and all the talent they could have had. And when he turns out to be mediocre I would not label that a successful draft pick!! The goal is a championship. They are won by talented players.

Edited October 25, 2015 by Winchester

[Winchester]

I know a lot of people seem encouraged by how much dead money will go off our books after this year. What they are forgetting is what new dead money is likely to be thrown right back on our books when we try to form our 2016 squad. 

 

Pitta and Webb are a major issues, as it just doesn't appear that either can perform to the level of their contracts. Any decision on Pitta may be out of our hands, given he could still decide to retire. Webb is a tougher call, simply because of how desperate our needs are at CB.

 

I know cutting these guys would create a lot of dead money, but if they can't play with any regularity, their salaries are effectively even larger dead money, not to mention dead roster spots. 

 

Thankfully, the escalators on most of our vets aside from Flacco don't involve big jumps in 2016. Doom, Jimmy and Monroe all had their big jumps occur this past year. But no matter how you slice it, I think we're going to have cap issues due to dead money or money tied up in players who do not bring that value on the field for at least another year or two.

Thank you. Finally somebody who can see the big picture. Ozzie has the ravens a hot mess!! Huge gusrsnteed $$ on the books for aging players, injured players and eratic players. Being competitive with this kind of cap space is leaning on successful drafting. And the drafting has been so terrible that fans are applauding serviceable players as something to get excited about. They can not be very active in free agency because of cap Hits. And it is not just Ray Rice like everybody is saying. It is many players that will not perform to their cap hit or play with the ravens at all!. Suggs and Dumervil will be in their mid 30s. Monroe,Daryl Smith,Webb,Ngata,jimmy is not playing to par and not to mention the smaller contracts. The sports networks are beginning to label the ravens a bad team. And using the reload word. As for free agency it looks as if it will fall on Joe cool to take the paycut to put an established young WR on the team. On the bright side there are only 2 ravens free agents any respectable team would actually be interested in keeping. Tucker and Osemele. If you notice many are defensive players. If the ravens can keep the oline intact and Monroe returns to form and they add a legit WR the offense could be able to carry the defense. My opinion a legit #1 WR would help the team more than anything because Joe can score points with any other qb if he has weapons around him.

[B-more Ravor]

You stole my thread bro, ha.

But here are the FAs in 2016:

Marshal Yanda

Justin Tucker

Matt Schaub

Courtney Upshaw

Albert McClellan

Jason Babin

Kelechi Osemele

Morgan Cox

Jeremy Ross

Allen Reisner

Chris Givens

Rashaan Melvin

Brynden Trawick

Kamar Aiken

Ryan Jensen

Marlon Brown

Zach Thompson

The only must keeps here are Yanda and Tucker. At this point I'd like to keep Aiken as well. The rest can go.

 

 

Haven't looked through the entire thread, so I apologize if this has already been done, but there is some needed context here:

 

UFAs:

Justin Tucker

Matt Schaub

Courtney Upshaw

Albert McClellan

Kelechi Osemele

Morgan Cox

Jeremy Ross

Allen Reisner

Chris Givens

Asa Jackson

Sheerce Wright

 

RFAs:

Brynden Trawick

Kamar Aiken

Marlon Brown

 

ERFAs:

Zach Thompson

Ryan Jensen

Terrence Magee

Raheem Mostert

Micajah Reynolds

Edited October 25, 2015 by B-more Ravor

[rmw10]

Haven't looked through the entire thread, so I apologize if this has already been done, but there is some needed context here:

 

UFAs:

Justin Tucker

Matt Schaub

Courtney Upshaw

Albert McClellan

Kelechi Osemele

Morgan Cox

Jeremy Ross

Allen Reisner

Chris Givens

Asa Jackson

Sheerce Wright

 

RFAs:

Brynden Trawick

Kamar Aiken

Marlon Brown

 

ERFAs:

Zach Thompson

Ryan Jensen

Terrence Magee

Raheem Mostert

Micajah Reynolds

 

I know the Ravens still have him listed on their official roster on IR, but wasn't Micajah Reynolds released with an injury settlement?  Was that ever officially put through the NFL transaction wire?

 

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/9/5/9266573/nfl-cuts-dt-micajah-reynolds-is-being-released-with-an-injury

[-Truth-]

Many peeps around here talk like he is a future pro bowler. TEs can be effective with pedestrian athleticism. Especially if a feared WR opens this up. But not elite. That's where you and I differ. You are applauding mediocrity. Shown well as a blocker?? Found separation?? That is nothing to do cartwheels over. And I would like to think I do have some credibility judging athletic skills

If you are going to question my quotes, at least get it right. I said lose 15-20 of his flab and replace it with muscle. Where does that put him at 220lbs?? My assessment of his physique is actually quite accurate. Again I am fairly qualified to do so. Don't you you think so?? There are WRs that have more lean mass than Fat Maxx does. Andre Johnson for beginners. If you stripped Maxx of his flab, Andre Johnson would be the bigger stronger looking athlete with more muscle mass. Yes if he lost his flab he would not be an ideal TEs playwright. But you are correct. 220s is preposterous. If he leaned out to a proper TE physique he would be about 235. That is why I said drop 15-20 lbs of flab and replace it with 15-20 lbs of functional muscle. BTW if he got in shape I would wager he will find that extra gear. Bodyfat slows you down quite effectively. Just ask Suggs. And Maxx does not have to figure it out. He has some of the finest trainers and nutritionists around him. He just needs to follow it.

Unless he makes some change I am calling Maxx a very mediocre TE. And that is all he will ever be. Sorry if that offends anybody!! And that will make him a disappointment considering Ozzie traded up for him, ravens already had Gilmore,and all the talent they could have had. And when he turns out to be mediocre I would not label that a successful draft pick!! The goal is a championship. They are won by talented players.

 

Jason Witten has had nothing more than functional athleticism without a second gear and he was considered as a top tier TE for a lengthy stretch of seasons. Perhaps you don't understand the concept of mediocrity or are mistakenly using it as a synonym for another adjective, so I'll walk you through the process. A player who blocks and separates at an above-average level is as the adjective describes. It's a difficult concept to comprehend, so we'll most certainly approach the matter with patience, but we're too long removed from Talledega Nights to be basing our core principles on the notion that there's no middle ground between the absolute best and everything that follows.

 

Qualified. Where do I begin? You're posting on a forum among fans of a contact sport in its highest level with top tier athletes, and you've genuinely assumed that nobody else aboard has taken care of their body and/or participated in competitive sports enough to offer a papable opinion. I offer my profound apologies on the bubble bursting, but at least you're among the first on this forum in believing that an avatar of a shirtless picture in jeans weather while being in moderately solid shape for a non-professional athlete would grant one supreme justice over assessing others' level of athleticism. Feel free to dust off the first place trophy in that regard. I've agreed on the notion that Williams could be leaner, and an offseason with a strict conditioning program would do him justice. That being said, losing roughly 8% of body fat in the middle of the season borders on the impossible, so hammering his composition in every post concerning Williams is rather redundant, especially when it consciously ignores his actual performance to date, or the more relevant aspect of the two.

 

You're correct about Johnson, but I would be surprised if his lean mass isn't higher than numerous current TEs. The point also glosses over the fact that the TE position has a significantly higher average gross weight, meaning that a higher body fat percentage is more probable. Williams is currently listed at 254 lbs. You do realize that dropping to 235 lbs via the conversation would be a 15-20 lbs overall loss, right? Since we're so keen on being correct on quotes, let's recap on what we've seen thus far. Marqise Lee struggles in his rookie season, we blame the QB play, forgive being passed by a UDFA WR, project him to be a guaranteed No.1 WR with immense upside. Bruce Irvin fails to provide consistent pressure for one and a half seasons, we blame the scheme, blame the role, project him to be an elite pass rusher in the future who will compete for the league lead in sacks. Maxx Williams plays well in a number of weeks, and we ask the fans to give no excuses for his supposed shortcomings. No bias or inconsistency there whatsoever.

Edited October 25, 2015 by -Truth-

[Winchester]

Jason Witten has had nothing more than functional athleticism without a second gear and he was considered as a top tier TE for a lengthy stretch of seasons. Perhaps you don't understand the concept of mediocrity or are mistakenly using it as a synonym for another adjective, so I'll walk you through the process. A player who blocks and separates at an above-average level is as the adjective describes. It's a difficult concept to comprehend, so we'll most certainly approach the matter with patience, but we're too long removed from Talledega Nights to be basing our core principles on the notion that there's no middle ground between the absolute best and everything that follows.

Qualified. Where do I begin? You're posting on a forum among fans of a contact sport in its highest level with top tier athletes, and you've genuinely assumed that nobody else aboard has taken care of their body and/or participated in competitive sports enough to offer a papable opinion. I offer my profound apologies on the bubble bursting, but at least you're among the first on this forum in believing that an avatar of a shirtless picture in jeans weather while being in moderately solid shape for a non-professional athlete would grant one supreme justice over assessing others' level of athleticism. Feel free to dust off the first place trophy in that regard. I've agreed on the notion that Williams could be leaner, and an offseason with a strict conditioning program would do him justice. That being said, losing roughly 8% of body fat in the middle of the season borders on the impossible, so hammering his composition in every post concerning Williams is rather redundant, especially when it consciously ignores his actual performance to date, or the more relevant aspect of the two.

You're correct about Johnson, but I would be surprised if his lean mass isn't higher than numerous current TEs. The point also glosses over the fact that the TE position has a significantly higher average gross weight, meaning that a higher body fat percentage is more probable. Williams is currently listed at 254 lbs. You do realize that dropping to 235 lbs via the conversation would be a 15-20 lbs overall loss, right? Since we're so keen on being correct on quotes, . Marqise Lee struggles in his rookie season, we blame the QB play, forgive being passed by a UDFA WR, project him to be a guaranteed No.1 WR with immense upside. Bruce Irvin fails to provide consistent pressure for one and a half seasons, we blame the scheme, blame the role, project him to be an elite pass rusher in the future who will compete for the league lead in sacks. Maxx Williams plays well in a number of weeks, and we ask the fans to give no excuses for his supposed shortcomings. No bias or inconsistency there whatsoever.

Once again, mediocre among starters!! Do not forget that the other TEs are being paid to. Why is it a player produces anything and home town fans label him better than average. You do realize there are many TEs around the NFL producing?? A guy catches a throw and makes a block and it is characterized as above average?? lol A players playing shape is very relevant and influences his level of play and potential ceiling.

Moderately solid shape?? puuullleeeezzzeee!! lol I am in moderately solid shape for a non athlete but you call Maxx in moderately solid shape for an NFL TE. Seriously dude?? Almost everybody I know would disagree with you. And until other members show they know something about athletic performance and benefits of better muscle to fat % then you are going to need to accept and get used to my opinions being the supreme justice around here. Can your ego handle that?

Edited October 25, 2015 by Winchester

[Winchester]

You know I am just being funny now right?? I am not arrogant or egotistical like that.

[Winchester]

Actually I change my opinion on Irvin. I got some info on what was the cause of his inconsistencies. I can not post in open about his inconsistencies but you can message me. Marqise Lee I maintain however will be a pro bowl or near pro bowl caliber receiver if he could get on the field and get on page with his QB. Hurns I wanted the ravens to draft all along. I said long ago there is no way in he** he should have went undrafted. I will say he is the more polished WR as of now but Marqise has a higher ceiling. Marqise coasted on raw skill and is just now learning details.

[-Truth-]

Once again, mediocre among starters!! Do not forget that the other TEs are being paid to. Why is it a player produces anything and home town fans label him better than average. You do realize there are many TEs around the NFL producing?? A guy catches a throw and makes a block and it is characterized as above average?? lol A players playing shape is very relevant and influences his level of play and potential ceiling.

Moderately solid shape?? puuullleeeezzzeee!! lol I am in moderately solid shape for a non athlete but you call Maxx in moderately solid shape for an NFL TE. Seriously dude?? Almost everybody I know would disagree with you. And until other members show they know something about athletic performance and benefits of better muscle to fat % then you are going to need to accept and get used to my opinions being the supreme justice around here. Can your ego handle that?

 

Mediocre based on what exactly, raw statistical production? Lee finishes 15th among rookie WRs with 422 yards and he's proclaimed to be a destined No.1 in spite of the stats due to the tape. Yet that same aspect is disregarded entirely with regards to Williams. There's a mind-blowing absence of consistency in these evaluations. Yes, a tight end who catches balls, finds separation, and makes successful blocks is likely to be above average. As humorous as this back and forth has been thus far, it's dumbfounding that this notion could escape anyone with even an underdeveloped understanding of the game. A player's playing shape is relevant, no doubt. That being said, it isn't more relevant than his actual performance and your comments towards Williams have disregarded the latter entirely.

 

Yes, and yes. What knowledge have you displayed to have mastered that others have yet to comprehend? The fact that lower body fat percentage improves athleticism? Be serious. From what I've read, there was a certain reputation that followed the previous user name, and it certainly wasn't being a supreme justice of rational thoughts.

[Winchester]

Mediocre based on what exactly, raw statistical production? Lee finishes 15th among rookie WRs with 422 yards and he's proclaimed to be a destined No.1 in spite of the stats due to the tape. Yet that same aspect is disregarded entirely with regards to Williams. There's a mind-blowing absence of consistency in these evaluations. Yes, a tight end who catches balls, finds separation, and makes successful blocks is likely to be above average. As humorous as this back and forth has been thus far, it's dumbfounding that this notion could escape anyone with even an underdeveloped understanding of the game. A player's playing shape is relevant, no doubt. That being said, it isn't more relevant than his actual performance and your comments towards Williams have disregarded the latter entirely.

 

Yes, and yes. What knowledge have you displayed to have mastered that others have yet to comprehend? The fact that lower body fat percentage improves athleticism? Be serious. From what I've read, there was a certain reputation that followed the previous user name, and it certainly wasn't being a supreme justice of rational thoughts.

The only thing so called irrational ideas I made was giving elite talent with some off field drama a shot in Baltimore. Players like Aldon Smith, Blackmon and Gordon once reinstated and Randy Gregory, Greg Hardy and the undrafted rookie guard for the cowboys, Hardy and Washington from Arizona. That was such outlandish ideas huh?? As it was when I said the defense could begin to struggle given the age of Suggs,Dumervil, and Smith and Webb. You would never mistake me for a big fan of Torrey Smith but at least his deep speed stretched and stressed defenses. Why is it a surprise that Aiken and Brown suck and the offense is without consistency. My opinion is elite talent wins championships. And the offense was going to struggle with 36 yr old SS as the only proven weapon. And my opinion is the ravens should of considered trusting the organization's structure and give a couple players with off field drama a shot with the ravens. It does not look like such a bad idea now. Does it?? The ravens need cornerstone players or some pro bowl talent. The 1-5 record is no coincidence. Outside of Yanda maybe whom is having a down year himself, the ravens will not have single Pro bowler or player in the top 100. The ravens need an influx of impact talent!! However management can find it. Because it is not coming from the draft class. And with the salary cap situation it is not coming from free agency.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Randy gregory has no stats avaliable on ESPN. I doubt Blackmon will ever play again. Greg Hardy would be a PR nightmare for us. Washington? Trouble maker. I don't know if he can stay on the field consistently. Aldon Smith has not done much this year...

So only option is Hardy, and we were not going to sign him PR nightmare.

[-Truth-]

The only thing so called irrational ideas I made was giving elite talent with some off field drama a shot in Baltimore. Players like Aldon Smith, Blackmon and Gordon once reinstated and Randy Gregory, Greg Hardy and the undrafted rookie guard for the cowboys, Hardy and Washington from Arizona. That was such outlandish ideas huh?? As it was when I said the defense could begin to struggle given the age of Suggs,Dumervil, and Smith and Webb. You would never mistake me for a big fan of Torrey Smith but at least his deep speed stretched and stressed defenses. Why is it a surprise that Aiken and Brown suck and the offense is without consistency. My opinion is elite talent wins championships. And the offense was going to struggle with 36 yr old SS as the only proven weapon. And my opinion is the ravens should of considered trusting the organization's structure and give a couple players with off field drama a shot with the ravens. It does not look like such a bad idea now. Does it?? The ravens need cornerstone players or some pro bowl talent. The 1-5 record is no coincidence. Outside of Yanda maybe whom is having a down year himself, the ravens will not have single Pro bowler or player in the top 100. The ravens need an influx of impact talent!! However management can find it. Because it is not coming from the draft class. And with the salary cap situation it is not coming from free agency.

 

Blackmon might not play another meaningful snap. Smith and Hardy are terrific talents. However, both are currently on one-year rentals and neither is likely to see under $7 million per season on the open market so I doubt that either could into our long-term plans given our salary cap situation. I was high on La'el Collins myself, and I would've been thrilled had he chosen Baltimore on an outside chance. That being said, in one of the most uncommon scenarios in recent memory, he was a 1st round prospect who was able to choose his own team. Our starting roster on the OL was set on paper. Both of our OGs were coming off of Pro-Bowl caliber seasons, so it wouldn't have made sense for him to voluntarily choose a team that could've extended both of their starting guards.

 

I'm in the same boat with regards to Smith, and I would've preferred better depth at the WR position, but injuries have played a significant part in the matter. The Ray Rice scenario has played a part into keeping our FO from taking chances on players with off-the-field concerns, so I've personally stopped expecting us to sign players with significantly checkered pasts. On a side note, Yanda hasn't had anywhere near a down season. He's been terrific this year.

[Cillmatic]

Reuben Randle

Jermaine Kearse

Marvin Jones

Casey Hayward

Prince Amukamara

Jenkins

Tashaun Gipson

Aldon Smith

We need to sign at least two of these guys.

[-Truth-]

Reuben Randle

Jermaine Kearse

Marvin Jones

Casey Hayward

Prince Amukamara

Jenkins

Tashaun Gipson

Aldon Smith

We need to sign at least two of these guys.

 

I feel like Casey Hayward and Marvin Jones would be terrific additions that likely wouldn't cost and arm and a leg.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd be happy just with Hayward and Randle, although Randle just can't seem to stay healthy so I don't know if I want any of that. I'd rather we just sign some older veteran. I'd even prefer it if Steve Smith Sr doesn't retire. Keeping my fingers crossed there.

[Winchester]

Randy gregory has no stats avaliable on ESPN. I doubt Blackmon will ever play again. Greg Hardy would be a PR nightmare for us. Washington? Trouble maker. I don't know if he can stay on the field consistently. Aldon Smith has not done much this year...

So only option is Hardy, and we were not going to sign him PR nightmare.

Dude you talk like the ravens are the most talented team in the NFL and don't need anybody. The Baltimore pro bowlers are so talented they do not need to give drama players a shot to excel and stay straight. The ravens have a disciplined structure with leadership and motivation to keep players straight. Look at Will Hill. Talent wins games not choir boys. Biscotti is not signing these guys to a $100mil contract!! So they are not losing anything if these guys get into any more drama. Handcuffing the team because of Ray Rice is nuts and watering down the talent pool. Guys do dramatic things when they are young. But they mature and realize the $$ they could make or lose by staying out of trouble.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Dude you talk like the ravens are the most talented team in the NFL and don't need anybody. The Baltimore pro bowlers are so talented they do not need to give drama players a shot to excel and stay straight. The ravens have a disciplined structure with leadership and motivation to keep players straight. Look at Will Hill. Talent wins games not choir boys. Biscotti is not signing these guys to a $100mil contract!! So they are not losing anything if these guys get into any more drama. Handcuffing the team because of Ray Rice is nuts and watering down the talent pool. Guys do dramatic things when they are young. But they mature and realize the $$ they could make or lose by staying out of trouble.

Talent ain't no good when it don't see the field. Blackmon is probably done, Aldon has a HISTORY of doing dumb things, Can't fix stupid and I would not be surprised if he is suspended again in the near future. Hardy. With Rice formely on the team. The poster boy for the crime Hardy comitted, which btw, in any other workforce on the planet would have you immediately FIRED if actual evidence came of it. Gordon? Can't seem to beat his drug problem. Second long suspension....Washington? Long suspension, again.Hasn't been reinstated... Will Hill came in on the cheap and would have been immediantly cut if he had not reformed.

I would have gotten behind Gregory but even he had extensive flaws as a prospect and for all we knew could be a bust.

So yeah.... Since most of the people you listed currently cannot see the field because of suspension(Gregory is hurt)... I like this just fine....

You don't need a squeaky clean image sure. But you ain't no good if you can't play.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Let's look at Will Hill btw.

Not paying child support(not a serious crime)

Aderall suspension(nothing too awful)

Another substance abuse suspension that was reduced. Probaly aderall again.... So yeah. Nothing major.

But when it becomes a PROBLEM(Blackmon, Gordon).. Yeah. Useless. They just do not learn my man. Simple as that.

[usmccharles]

Dude you talk like the ravens are the most talented team in the NFL and don't need anybody. The Baltimore pro bowlers are so talented they do not need to give drama players a shot to excel and stay straight. The ravens have a disciplined structure with leadership and motivation to keep players straight. Look at Will Hill. Talent wins games not choir boys. Biscotti is not signing these guys to a $100mil contract!! So they are not losing anything if these guys get into any more drama. Handcuffing the team because of Ray Rice is nuts and watering down the talent pool. Guys do dramatic things when they are young. But they mature and realize the $$ they could make or lose by staying out of trouble.

I didnt gather anything he said as us being the most talented team.  Sadly we will always be viewed as the team with Ray Rice the woman beater even though we cut him.  Rice is the poster child of all this DV and which is why he isnt getting a second chance, video didnt help either.  We dont sign players to be nice guys, but like Lost in Translation said....no point if they dont see the field. 

 

I just think the FO office chooses not to take the risk of signing a player that has so many red flags, simple risk management situation.  We have already been paying enough players that dont see the field.  We dont need more. 

[Winchester]

Hardy's was actually overblown. It was a good digging woman. Randy Gregory was a projected top5 talent. They found trace amounts of marijuana. I think he was worth a shot. He is leaps and bounds a better prospect than max Williams. I will say this. You bring in a game changer type player with some drama. If you trust your coaching,leadership motivation and atmosphere to keep him in line then you have a pro bowl player and a better shot at a championship. The drama major actually has a shot at being great if he walks the line. The talent deficient player you know is not going to be a difference maker. Wouldn't you prefer to take a shot at a championship?

[Maryland]

Greg Hardy is probably the most loathsome person I have ever seen in the NFL since I can remember. He strikes me as a psychopath because, in his interviews with reporters after his suspension, he seemed to honestly believe he did nothing wrong. I would not want him under any circumstance, and I am someone who is usually pretty lenient on most off-field stuff. Goodell should have never reduced his suspension. This guy has no remorse.

 

/I think what disturbed me the most was that, when asked by reporters if he felt any regret for what he did, he laughed and joked about it. Maybe you can find those interviews on youtube

Edited October 26, 2015 by Maryland

[Cillmatic]

Greg Hardy is probably the most loathsome person I have ever seen in the NFL since I can remember. He strikes me as a psychopath because, in his interviews with reporters after his suspension, he seemed to honestly believe he did nothing wrong. I would not want him under any circumstance, and I am someone who is usually pretty lenient on most off-field stuff. Goodell should have never reduced his suspension. This guy has no remorse.

/I think what disturbed me the most was that, when asked by reporters if he felt any regret for what he did, he laughed and joked about it. Maybe you can find those interviews on youtube

Micheal Vick is WAY more Loathed.

[52liveforever]

Once again, mediocre among starters!! Do not forget that the other TEs are being paid to. Why is it a player produces anything and home town fans label him better than average. You do realize there are many TEs around the NFL producing?? A guy catches a throw and makes a block and it is characterized as above average?? lol A players playing shape is very relevant and influences his level of play and potential ceiling.

Moderately solid shape?? puuullleeeezzzeee!! lol I am in moderately solid shape for a non athlete but you call Maxx in moderately solid shape for an NFL TE. Seriously dude?? Almost everybody I know would disagree with you. And until other members show they know something about athletic performance and benefits of better muscle to fat % then you are going to need to accept and get used to my opinions being the supreme justice around here. Can your ego handle that?

 

1. Maxx carries quite a bit of baby fat that I will say. I have read your previous posts and while I agree he needs to lose fat and gain muscle I think that is something that will come with him growing up. He's 21 years old and not everyone has started to peak physically at that age. Everyone is different. Jeremy Shockey in his younger years was a bit soft like Maxx, but as he matured he became I ripped monster. Maxx has a baby face, he clearly hasn't began peaking physically yet and I think you fail to realize this. Everybody's bodies are different. To compare him to a freak like Gronk is just unrealistic.

 

2. If you are underwhelmed with Maxx's "mediocre" numbers here are some other tight ends with mediocre numbers when they were rookies...

Jason Witten(21)  35 rec 347 yards

Todd Heap(21) 16 rec 206 yards

Greg Olsen(22) 29 rec 391 yards

Shannon Sharpe(22) 7 rec 99 yards

Jackie Smith(23) 28 rec 445 yards

Kellen Winslow(22) 25 rec 255 yards

Dave Casper(23) 4 rec 26 yards

 

Maxx is on pace for 36 rec and over 300 yards...But I guess these guys I listed above are just mediocre. None of them are hall of famers or anything.

[rmcjacket23]

The only thing so called irrational ideas I made was giving elite talent with some off field drama a shot in Baltimore. Players like Aldon Smith, Blackmon and Gordon once reinstated and Randy Gregory, Greg Hardy and the undrafted rookie guard for the cowboys, Hardy and Washington from Arizona. That was such outlandish ideas huh?? As it was when I said the defense could begin to struggle given the age of Suggs,Dumervil, and Smith and Webb. You would never mistake me for a big fan of Torrey Smith but at least his deep speed stretched and stressed defenses. Why is it a surprise that Aiken and Brown suck and the offense is without consistency. My opinion is elite talent wins championships. And the offense was going to struggle with 36 yr old SS as the only proven weapon. And my opinion is the ravens should of considered trusting the organization's structure and give a couple players with off field drama a shot with the ravens. It does not look like such a bad idea now. Does it?? The ravens need cornerstone players or some pro bowl talent. The 1-5 record is no coincidence. Outside of Yanda maybe whom is having a down year himself, the ravens will not have single Pro bowler or player in the top 100. The ravens need an influx of impact talent!! However management can find it. Because it is not coming from the draft class. And with the salary cap situation it is not coming from free agency.

So if its not coming from the draft, and its not coming from FA, where exactly can it come from?

[rmcjacket23]

Hardy's was actually overblown. It was a good digging woman. Randy Gregory was a projected top5 talent. They found trace amounts of marijuana. I think he was worth a shot. He is leaps and bounds a better prospect than max Williams. I will say this. You bring in a game changer type player with some drama. If you trust your coaching,leadership motivation and atmosphere to keep him in line then you have a pro bowl player and a better shot at a championship. The drama major actually has a shot at being great if he walks the line. The talent deficient player you know is not going to be a difference maker. Wouldn't you prefer to take a shot at a championship?

Yes, except you can take a shot at a championship WITHOUT bringing in these players.

 

Its ironic that the guys you are listed don't have championships, and this franchise has one recently.

 

Believe it or not, there are difference makers in this league who don't get caught doing weed during the combined process (about as poor an intellectual decision you can make) or beating your girlfriend/wife, which he did do, regardless of whether she's a gold digger or not.

[rmcjacket23]

Let's look at Will Hill btw.

Not paying child support(not a serious crime)

Aderall suspension(nothing too awful)

Another substance abuse suspension that was reduced. Probaly aderall again.... So yeah. Nothing major.

But when it becomes a PROBLEM(Blackmon, Gordon).. Yeah. Useless. They just do not learn my man. Simple as that.

Frankly, it doesn't matter if its major or not though.

 

If Will Hill gets popped for using adderall tomorrow, he's likely looking at an 8 game to full season suspension. It doesn't matter whether fans think its a big deal or not.

 

What I think is completely missed in this whole discussion is you guys are looking at the actual crime vs the relevant issue, which is decision making.

 

What does it say about a person who repeatedly violate rules knowingly and willfully? When a college prospect during the combined or a week before the draft get caught using drugs, what does that say about them from an intellectual/decision making prospect? To me, it says they don't care and they aren't capable of making quality decisions that will lead them to having a successful career.

 

I could care less if we have players on the team who shoot heroin in the offseason, abuse crack, whatever. I could really even care less if they beat their wives. But when it has an effect on on-field performance, and they do it during times when they know they are being scrutinized and are likely to get caught, then their decision making comes into question. And every football player on the field requires quality decision making, otherwise they are just another guy.

[Edug27]

Our biggest need offesively is another starting wideout aside Perriman. I know the criticism is harsh on Perriman, but I still see him being a really good starting WR soon. But time will tell. Keep Givens and give Aiken a lesser role. Crock and Maxx are the TE's of the future. We need to get better with how we use them though.

 

We also need to make sure we properly replace KO on the o-line if he leaves this summer.

 

The defense is another beast. Corner, pass rush, and a replacement for Daryl Smith all need to be addressed this offseason. We need another shut down caliber corner aside Jimmy. Webb and Arrington are both done. Will Hill can remain at safety but we need to see what we have in Terrence Brooks. Not sure what's happening with Suggs, but we need some young hungry players rushing the QB.

 

Draft to address defensive needs.

Free Agency/Trades to address offensive needs.

[Tru11]

Reuben Randle

Jermaine Kearse

Marvin Jones

Casey Hayward

Prince Amukamara

Jenkins

Tashaun Gipson

Aldon Smith

We need to sign at least two of these guys.

 

and how are we supposed to sign these guys?

 

you cant turn the cap off in real life....

[Cillmatic]

and how are we supposed to sign these guys?

you cant turn the cap off in real life....

I said two of them. We'll have enough cap for that.

[Winchester]

Yes, except you can take a shot at a championship WITHOUT bringing in these players.

 

Its ironic that the guys you are listed don't have championships, and this franchise has one recently.

 

Believe it or not, there are difference makers in this league who don't get caught doing weed during the combined process (about as poor an intellectual decision you can make) or beating your girlfriend/wife, which he did do, regardless of whether she's a gold digger or not.

lol exactly dude. But clean players with pro bowl talent are expensive and top draft picks. The ravens won with clean players. But in today's NFL Ray Lewis may have been cut.yikes!! Just because somebody does not have a ring does not mean they are not difference makers or game changers. The ravens have no impact players right now outside Yanda and Mosley if he is on. Dumervil is 32-33 and does not look to have the same burst he once did. Hardy does look like a psychopath but I heard he did not do everything the girl claimed. She did not even have marks for proof.