[News] Game Recap: Browns 33, Ravens 30 (OT)

[ravenwildman]

McCown to TE....McCown to RB in flats.....McCown to TE....McCown to RB in flats.....McCown to TE....McCown to RB in flats.....and you couldn't figure that out Pees? Come on man, how many yards? GO RAVENS!

[gabrielgrissom]

No, Q was a good receiver because he consistently made plays. Aiken failed to gain a single yard in 2 the of the 5 games this year. In his 1st 4 years, Boldin had three 1,000 yd seasons, two seasons with 100 receptions, and 20 TDs. In Aiken's 1st 4 seasons combined, he had about 250 yds. Not even close.

because he played for the terrible cardinals as the #1 kamar has worked and improved i think your missing the point your trying to compare who was better at the start of their career instead of is kamar a good receiver? The fact is he is a good receiver, Q never had over 1000 yards at baltimore never had over 70 catches in baltimore but he made contested catches ran good routes was physical made key blocks exactly what kamar and marlon are doing now

[gabrielgrissom]

No, Q was a good receiver because he consistently made plays. Aiken failed to gain a single yard in 2 the of the 5 games this year. In his 1st 4 years, Boldin had three 1,000 yd seasons, two seasons with 100 receptions, and 20 TDs. In Aiken's 1st 4 seasons combined, he had about 250 yds. Not even close.

And kamar consistently makes plays when thrown his way, i can tell you multiple games when Q was quiet, kamar wasnt putting up stats because joe threw the ball to steve 20 million times

[gabrielgrissom]

No, Q was a good receiver because he consistently made plays. Aiken failed to gain a single yard in 2 the of the 5 games this year. In his 1st 4 years, Boldin had three 1,000 yd seasons, two seasons with 100 receptions, and 20 TDs. In Aiken's 1st 4 seasons combined, he had about 250 yds. Not even close.

i mean really watch Q tonight he wont get seperation

[RavensBaltimore]

your right doug baldwin and jermaine kearse were drafted.... dude come on man your looking foolish right now. And i mean you must to have improved just a little to be from behind DEONTE THOMPSON just at the start of last year to a #2 receiver... when has aiken let you down... for real... whens the last time you said "dang kamar, catch the ball" whens the last time you said "Kamar had an awful game, couldnt catch a cold"

Did you find one of the 31 other teams with 2 undrafted receivers? Good job. Forget about their elite TE, and their 2-3 record, and you may have a point. Kamar was only behind Deonte Thompson when we got him mid season, and Thompson was already on our roster. That's not evidence that he suddenly improved in his 4th year, and even if he did, to suggest that he went from undrafted and 0 catches in his first 3 years to legit starter, coincidentally when he plays with Flacco, is not logical. It's also not logical to blame Flacco when none of the pass catchers he has have accomplished anything anywhere else, none of the receivers that go to other teams play any better, and no other qb in the league has done any better with nothing but undrafted players and rookies to throw to. By saying that we have good WRs that are being held back by Flacco, you're making a blind assumption with nothing to substantiate that assumption.

[CQ1]

CQ1's RECAP: It ALL revolves around acceptance. As I finally conceded the fact that Milk of Magnesia does NOT come from teets, at that same very time, I also realized that we are a rather bad football team- for many reasons.

[roamingcharges]

The word is out on the 2015 Baltimore Ravens: Hang around until 5 minutes left in the 4th Quarter and you'll have your choice of ways to beat them. For three seasons we have been complaining about Dean Pees but some of the gullible fanbase got fooled by that "bend but don't break" nonsense. Well lucky breaks can only get you by for so long. Now teams are going for the jugular in the Red Zone, Pees can't come up with the answers. Time's up Dean, we want our Defense back!!!

[GangofRavens]

Aiken looked pretty good today when the ball came his way early. He disappeared because we were killing it in the running game. You see Kamar can get open. He just needs Joe to throw him the ball and to stop zeroing in on one WRs. Joe's been doing that his whole career.

[drillem]

The last game of last season in NE we got 2 (count 'em) 14 point leads and couldn't hold either and lost. Then this season we got leads in several of the 5 games and lost all but one. The definition of insanity is making the same mistakes over and over and do nothing about it. We got to get some new blood in coaching or other leadership in order to get over this bad hump.

[EliteRavens]

Of course the defense lets us down again. Dean Pees, your time is coming

[gabrielgrissom]

Did you find one of the 31 other teams with 2 undrafted receivers? Good job. Forget about their elite TE, and their 2-3 record, and you may have a point. Kamar was only behind Deonte Thompson when we got him mid season, and Thompson was already on our roster. That's not evidence that he suddenly improved in his 4th year, and even if he did, to suggest that he went from undrafted and 0 catches in his first 3 years to legit starter, coincidentally when he plays with Flacco, is not logical. It's also not logical to blame Flacco when none of the pass catchers he has have accomplished anything anywhere else, none of the receivers that go to other teams play any better, and no other qb in the league has done any better with nothing but undrafted players and rookies to throw to. By saying that we have good WRs that are being held back by Flacco, you're making a blind assumption with nothing to substantiate that assumption.

Your giving no facts I WATCH THE GAME... he doesnt move his feet when its a standard dropback and pressure gets to him easier... then he gets rattled for the rest of the game like he did today... like he did today when marlon was in the slot and ran a slant-n-out route and got wide open but was looking down the field... heck even the announcers pointed it out to you... You quote that none of the pass catchers has accomplished anything anywhere else... lol steve smith isnt a future hall of famer who is the leading receiver in panthers history... and during 2005-2007 was the best receiver in football... thats not any accomplishments... im pretty sure russell wilson lead his team to a sb win with jermaine kearse and luke willson and doug baldwin and an overrated and oft-injured percy harvin... yeah he had plenty of help... joe flacco can get the job done yes OK i dont disagree with you there but your underrating the help of kamar and marlon and camp... say were 4-1 would you be saying that they were sorry receivers?

[RavensBaltimore]

because he played for the terrible cardinals as the #1 kamar has worked and improved i think your missing the point your trying to compare who was better at the start of their career instead of is kamar a good receiver? The fact is he is a good receiver, Q never had over 1000 yards at baltimore never had over 70 catches in baltimore but he made contested catches ran good routes was physical made key blocks exactly what kamar and marlon are doing now

Q's stats in Baltimore are far better than Kamar's, and that was when our passing game was being held back by Cam Cameron. He had close to 1,000yds every year, even when missing a couple games. Plus, Q had that great postseason. Talent wise, Kamar is not comparable to Q at all. He doesn't make plays consistently, and he doesn't win jump balls or box out defenders like Q did.

[gabrielgrissom]

Q's stats in Baltimore are far better than Kamar's, and that was when our passing game was being held back by Cam Cameron. He had close to 1,000yds every year, even when missing a couple games. Plus, Q had that great postseason. Talent wise, Kamar is not comparable to Q at all. He doesn't make plays consistently, and he doesn't win jump balls or box out defenders like Q did.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTT HAHAHAHAHA he practically saved us from 0-4 a week ago when he made the catch over antwon blake how is that not winning a jumpball... you have officially lost your mind... Q was the #1 receiver... ever since he left every #1 receiver has put up over 1000

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

1 thing every player on the team can clean up is penalties.

Penalties have been killing this team every week...

[RavensBaltimore]

Your giving no facts I WATCH THE GAME... he doesnt move his feet when its a standard dropback and pressure gets to him easier... then he gets rattled for the rest of the game like he did today... like he did today when marlon was in the slot and ran a slant-n-out route and got wide open but was looking down the field... heck even the announcers pointed it out to you... You quote that none of the pass catchers has accomplished anything anywhere else... lol steve smith isnt a future hall of famer who is the leading receiver in panthers history... and during 2005-2007 was the best receiver in football... thats not any accomplishments... im pretty sure russell wilson lead his team to a sb win with jermaine kearse and luke willson and doug baldwin and an overrated and oft-injured percy harvin... yeah he had plenty of help... joe flacco can get the job done yes OK i dont disagree with you there but your underrating the help of kamar and marlon and camp... say were 4-1 would you be saying that they were sorry receivers?

Steve Smith is an accomplished receiver, but that does no good when he's on the bench. He was also declining in Carolina, and at 35 and 36, he's looked BETTER with Flacco, which is one of the reasons why it makes no sense to blame Flacco for the struggles of the WRs. Most of Flacco's receivers have played better with him than without him. You're also cherry picking plays where you think you see bad footwork or whatever, but watch Brady last year before Gronk got healthy. He got happy feet, looked rattled, stared down Edelman, etc. NOBODY plays any better with the lack of talent the Ravens have at the skill positions. The Russell Wilson example is a huge reach because the Seahawks had the #1 defense in yds and points, and one of the best, if not the best run games in the league. Their receivers are still better and more accomplished than ours right now. If we were 4-1, I would still think the same thing, because I watch the games too, and I see Flacco dropping back and having no one to throw to far too often. I've seen opposing defenses leave our receivers in single coverage to come after Flacco or stack the box all year long, and I see a lack of speed and playmaking ability. I don't remember any 50/50 balls being caught, and there are too many passes that bounce off someone's hands. Aiken has made a handful of plays this year, but that's about it. When you leave everyone in single coverage all game long, a couple plays here and there does show that someone is a quality starter.

[OzzieBisciotti]

Guys, we started Kamar Aiken and Marlon Brown- this doesn't happen on any other NFL team. Ozzie has got to start valuing the WR position (no more "rent a receiver" mentality)- then Flacco might become elite, then Flacco may actually get his timing down like the way Brady and gronk have their timing down. Oz needs to rethink his philosophy and actually start to draft corners and receivers with higher draft picks

[gabrielgrissom]

Q's stats in Baltimore are far better than Kamar's, and that was when our passing game was being held back by Cam Cameron. He had close to 1,000yds every year, even when missing a couple games. Plus, Q had that great postseason. Talent wise, Kamar is not comparable to Q at all. He doesn't make plays consistently, and he doesn't win jump balls or box out defenders like Q did.

how about this well see whos better next week

[OzzieBisciotti]

If I'm Bisciotti, I'd be more pissed at Oz than the coaches/ players. While I don't think Pees is in the mold of Rex Ryan/ Marvin Lewis, it shouldn't be all on him because he's trying to coach a bunch of second and third stringers.

[RavensBaltimore]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTT HAHAHAHAHA he practically saved us from 0-4 a week ago when he made the catch over antwon blake how is that not winning a jumpball... you have officially lost your mind... Q was the #1 receiver... ever since he left every #1 receiver has put up over 1000

It was not a jump ball because the defender did not contest the pass. By jump ball, I was talking about a play where both players have an equal shot at it. Flacco put it where only Aiken could catch it. Even while cherry picking, you still can't come up with a legit example. "ever since he left every #1 receiver has put up over 1,000" I'm not sure what that has to do with Aiken. You're saying that an undrafted PS castoff and another undrafted receiver are good receivers that are being held back by a SB MVP qb who has helped many receivers over produce, and I'm the one who's lost my mind?

[gabrielgrissom]

Steve Smith is an accomplished receiver, but that does no good when he's on the bench. He was also declining in Carolina, and at 35 and 36, he's looked BETTER with Flacco, which is one of the reasons why it makes no sense to blame Flacco for the struggles of the WRs. Most of Flacco's receivers have played better with him than without him. You're also cherry picking plays where you think you see bad footwork or whatever, but watch Brady last year before Gronk got healthy. He got happy feet, looked rattled, stared down Edelman, etc. NOBODY plays any better with the lack of talent the Ravens have at the skill positions. The Russell Wilson example is a huge reach because the Seahawks had the #1 defense in yds and points, and one of the best, if not the best run games in the league. Their receivers are still better and more accomplished than ours right now. If we were 4-1, I would still think the same thing, because I watch the games too, and I see Flacco dropping back and having no one to throw to far too often. I've seen opposing defenses leave our receivers in single coverage to come after Flacco or stack the box all year long, and I see a lack of speed and playmaking ability. I don't remember any 50/50 balls being caught, and there are too many passes that bounce off someone's hands. Aiken has made a handful of plays this year, but that's about it. When you leave everyone in single coverage all game long, a couple plays here and there does show that someone is a quality starter.

listen flacco is a good qb we both agree... but this has been happening for the past two weeks thats all im saying... all kamar needs to do is make some plays like he has the last few weeks... like he has these last two years he came down during the latter stretch of last season making a name off one route in the slot which is the slant-n-out route and scored multiple times off that route... he beat out and proved he was better than jacoby last year... he beat out marlon when jacoby was struggling and marlon had just came off of 7 tds in his rookie year... once again im trying to show you a play where he beat out cockrell when cockrell had him smothered and beat him out when they both had a shot at it. cockrell just didnt know what he was doing and didnt look for the ball thats his fault... i think that joe has played well with receivers that were castoffs and receivers has played well with joe... but i dont think joe made them better i just believe that things were made simple and gave those receivers better opportunities with the offense like steve smith was... smith was having a role reduced in carolina due to the team wanting to run the football more with the additions of tolbert and wanting to get cam more involved in the run game... he comes here in baltimore is asked to run west coast type of routes where its crossing routes deep routes and checkdowns and he has excelled because he can win a 50-50 ball and run a cross route still and get upfield after checkdown routes... the routes are made simpler and ozzie does a good job of getting players that can fit and excel in the system... I think the only way that joe makes his receivers better is the deep ball... because i think we both believe hes the best deep ball thrower in football. I can see why people think that he makes his receivers better because they both benefit but im saying that the system helps them both.

[JamesA119]

Pees definitely has not followed in our tradition of excellent DCs. It's probably a good idea to make a change at some point. I also believe that years of shopping at "bargain basement" and letting proving talents we have developed walk, have finally caught up to us. On the whole team right now, there's probably less than 10 first rounders. In the past also we had strong leaders. I know a lot of players that busted their butts so much because they did not want to disappoint Ray Lewis.

If we do not make the playoff, Flacco would have to agree to restructure his contract, to allow the team to bring in good talents. We are essentially fielding a JV team against other teams' varsity and this is irrespective of the the injuries.

[drillem]

U ever see Belichek get his defense together during a game and coach them when the other team finds a hole in their coverage? We gotta be more flexible when things happen. The Browns tight end coverage should have been addressed mid 2nd half by Harbs. It's too late to address it in practice next week. Also getting them together and getting the penalty thing straightened out during the game would have been a plus. So many things that could have been done and weren't. Very frustrated with the coaching style.

[law215]

Guys, we started Kamar Aiken and Marlon Brown- this doesn't happen on any other NFL team. Ozzie has got to start valuing the WR position (no more "rent a receiver" mentality)- then Flacco might become elite, then Flacco may actually get his timing down like the way Brady and gronk have their timing down. Oz needs to rethink his philosophy and actually start to draft corners and receivers with higher draft picks

I agree with you 100% on the WR position. For what he has spent on trades, vets, OZ could have kept T. Smith and/or Jones who at least were durable and proven deep threats. On defense.  J. Smith and Elam. If  you just watched them play over the past years not knowing, you wouldn't think they are 1st round draft picks. I think he has tried to address the secondary, but brought in guys that are under achieving while letting durable, productive guys walk since deemed too expensive. So Oz may want to shake up his scouting department and secondary coaches.

[MadStorkSociety]

Shake up coming?

[Purple Dawg 96]

Should have been a quick fix! The Ravens didn't need to blitz just rush 4 no more than five but when they blitzed they got burned "FLATOUT"! HOLD YALL HEAD UP! Payback will be twice as sweet!

[The Greek]

good bye pees, good bye marlon brown. i want to congratulate brady and belichek for rising above all the crap thrown their way every day from every one including myself because they keep on ticking and they will win the sb again this season while we stink it up. i sure hope we lose the rest of our games and the fo does not blow our top 6 pick on another player that will under perform be released or be allowed to hit free agency after 3 or 4 years like several players these past few years. nick boyle looks better than max williams. aiken was useless in the 2nd half after he excited us in the 1st half. marlon is garbage. we have no pass rush on 3rd down unless the other team has 5 players open for 15 yard gains. fo and harbaugh you have your work cut out for you. go 2016 draft and free agency.

[The Greek]

ozzie and the fo have made several bad draft picks and moves these past few years and it has caught up to them. neg me all u want but it is true and u all know it.

[The Greek]

organized chaos has vanished under harbaughs leadership. he needs to hire or promote the next defensive guru asap. i choose ted monachino.

Edited October 12, 2015 by The Greek

[The Greek]

we have lost several position coaches over the past few years and harbs has done a bad rush job in replacing them.

[MadStorkSociety]

Every time i look up i see Boldin catching another one from Kap. ugh