[News] Game Recap: Browns 33, Ravens 30 (OT)

[BallSoHard808]

We lost to a NOBODY qb smh. Shake up the defense!

[RavensFootballFan]

Many of you blame Ozzie for the draft picks. Allow me to give a breakdown of draft picks, on average in the NFL if you are able to get 3 starters out of every 7 draft picks, it is consider a success, no GM in football ever bats at or above .500 in draft picks becoming starters. It is an ongoing revolving door in the era of the salary cap and hundreds of new players coming in every year trying to make the NFL. There are teams who drafted very well and had a losing season, teams who drafted badly and made the playoffs. It is impossible to know in advance if a drafted player will be a success or not, you just play the odds if a player will be successful in the NFL. The disparity among NFL teams are not that far apart, thanks in large part because of salary cap. Most games are decided on just being in the right place at the right time instead of disparities of teams. To expect our draft picks to be nearly all success is not realistic. Every team in the NFL is batting below .500 on draft picks as starters. We will bounce back next year with the core talents we have and plenty of room to add more very good players next year than we were able to do this year.

[ReginaldColeman1]

While Harbaugh's math was hypothetically the smart play at 27-22 it turned out it may have in hindsight been a sounder choice to take the easy one point conversion. At 28-22 Pettine's choice to go for two which was successful in fact would have a been a moot choice since the Ravens Tucker later scored three which again hypothetically would have been a final 31-30. Just the way it goes sometimes.

[gabrielgrissom]

"After watching the preseason i thought a healthy ravens team was a superbowl contender now were a laughing stock... we can sulk but i mean weve been so good for so long maybe a year of bad play cant be avoided"

Do you realize that if we miss the playoff this year, it would be 2 out 3 yrs missing the playoff? And last yr we barely made it into the playoffs even though we played well in the playoff once we got in last yr.

and last year we struggled down the stretch but turned it on in the playoffs like we normally do and are jimmy smith away from potentially having another ring... we are a lee evans dropped pass away from a superbowl appearance and a potential ring... we have the most playoff wins during the last 7 years and a ring to show for it thats the past that im talking about... did you realize that... did you realize that this has been a winning culture that has new fans that dont know what a losing record feels like... weve been successful for a while... 

[gabrielgrissom]

While Harbaugh's math was hypothetically the smart play at 27-22 it turned out it may have in hindsight been a sounder choice to take the easy one point conversion. At 28-22 Pettine's choice to go for two which was successful in fact would have a been a moot choice since the Ravens Tucker later scored three which again hypothetically would have been a final 31-30. Just the way it goes sometimes.

and hypothetically justin tucker makes both of his kicks and we dont have to worry about this situation

[RavensBaltimore]

The worst thing your doing right now is undermining Kamar right now. In a theoretical world your right kamar who didnt make the team in 2013 is our starting #1 wr and thats how bad our recievers are in brady's worst year... lol and also in a theoretical world were 5-0 and were superbowl favorites, lol in a theoretical world kamar sucks and so does marlon. Well in the real world its been over 2 years since 2013 right? well that gives time for player to get better... you see kamar has gotten better... you see marlon has gotten better... ok kamar was strapped up last week with a minute ago in pittsburgh and reached up and made an incredible 20+ yard catch to put us in field goal position... i thought he sucked... marlon ... yea he put up 7 tds in his rookie year but stats dont tell the whole story sometimes... i do think my eyes are good and i watch marlon make key block after key block this year and actually get open... i see joe not throwing him the ball because hes too busy throwing to other recievers he normally stares down... these guys are undrafted free agents... since 2013 lets see...torrey left, jacoby left, deonte thompson who was ahead of kamar on the depth charts before training camp last year left, tandon left, stokley left, they were all ahead of kamar who finished on the ps that year i didnt see kamar in the games during 2013... my point is this offense is moving the ball with a purpose Kamar doesnt suck marlon doesnt suck if you actually watch the games. 

 

 

The worst thing your doing right now is undermining Kamar right now. In a theoretical world your right kamar who didnt make the team in 2013 is our starting #1 wr and thats how bad our recievers are in brady's worst year... lol and also in a theoretical world were 5-0 and were superbowl favorites, lol in a theoretical world kamar sucks and so does marlon. Well in the real world its been over 2 years since 2013 right? well that gives time for player to get better... you see kamar has gotten better... you see marlon has gotten better... ok kamar was strapped up last week with a minute ago in pittsburgh and reached up and made an incredible 20+ yard catch to put us in field goal position... i thought he sucked... marlon ... yea he put up 7 tds in his rookie year but stats dont tell the whole story sometimes... i do think my eyes are good and i watch marlon make key block after key block this year and actually get open... i see joe not throwing him the ball because hes too busy throwing to other recievers he normally stares down... these guys are undrafted free agents... since 2013 lets see...torrey left, jacoby left, deonte thompson who was ahead of kamar on the depth charts before training camp last year left, tandon left, stokley left, they were all ahead of kamar who finished on the ps that year i didnt see kamar in the games during 2013... my point is this offense is moving the ball with a purpose Kamar doesnt suck marlon doesnt suck if you actually watch the games. 

Talk about theoretical...... How has Aiken gotten better since 2013? Did you watch him play back then, or are you just making assumptions? You have to do some major cherry picking to try to make Aiken and especially Marlon sound good. Neither has explosive playmaking ability, and neither draws double coverage, so the opposing defenses must agree with me that they aren't much of a threat. On our last couple possessions, Joe had nowhere to go with the ball. He wasn't ignoring open players or staring down receivers. He was going through his progressions and no one was open. You're just making blind assumptions that our undrafted players, late round rookies, and PS castoffs have improved and have suddenly become legit NFL caliber starters. There is absolutely nothing to substantiate those assumptions. WRs and TEs who leave the Ravens never play better with another qb, and I don't see any other qb doing anything with nothing but 3rd string pass catchers, all of whom are undrafted players or rookies, with none being first round picks.

[Barry S]

Some say 30 points should win a game but with our defense so bad that's not enough. Joe is keeping us in the game that's all, this team is simply going through the motions, there is obviously lack of desire to win.

[mendii]

Seasons like this happen sometimes, we were 13-3 in 06 then 5-11 in 07. It has happened before, it'll happen again. The Ravens have always been a team where no matter the opponent, games come down to the wire and sometimes it just doesn't go our way. However, I am sorry for Steve Smith Sr., he deserves better than this.

[gabrielgrissom]

Talk about theoretical...... How has Aiken gotten better since 2013? Did you watch him play back then, or are you just making assumptions? You have to do some major cherry picking to try to make Aiken and especially Marlon sound good. Neither has explosive playmaking ability, and neither draws double coverage, so the opposing defenses must agree with me that they aren't much of a threat. On our last couple possessions, Joe had nowhere to go with the ball. He wasn't ignoring open players or staring down receivers. He was going through his progressions and no one was open. You're just making blind assumptions that our undrafted players, late round rookies, and PS castoffs have improved and have suddenly become legit NFL caliber starters. There is absolutely nothing to substantiate those assumptions. WRs and TEs who leave the Ravens never play better with another qb, and I don't see any other qb doing anything with nothing but 3rd string pass catchers, all of whom are undrafted players or rookies, with none being first round picks.

oh so to be a good reciever you have to be a dynamic playmaker and a receiver that draws double coverage constantly... ok so anquan boldin even now wouldnt be a #1 reciever... and dont tell me torrey is either because we both know he isnt... boldin does the exact same thing kamar does... doesnt create seperation doesnt draw a double team but he gets the job done doesnt he... kamar was making joe haden look silly... do you actually watch these games or are you just upset that we lost today and have nothing logical to blame it on.

[gabrielgrissom]

Talk about theoretical...... How has Aiken gotten better since 2013? Did you watch him play back then, or are you just making assumptions? You have to do some major cherry picking to try to make Aiken and especially Marlon sound good. Neither has explosive playmaking ability, and neither draws double coverage, so the opposing defenses must agree with me that they aren't much of a threat. On our last couple possessions, Joe had nowhere to go with the ball. He wasn't ignoring open players or staring down receivers. He was going through his progressions and no one was open. You're just making blind assumptions that our undrafted players, late round rookies, and PS castoffs have improved and have suddenly become legit NFL caliber starters. There is absolutely nothing to substantiate those assumptions. WRs and TEs who leave the Ravens never play better with another qb, and I don't see any other qb doing anything with nothing but 3rd string pass catchers, all of whom are undrafted players or rookies, with none being first round picks.

and if no one was open how did we put up 30 today?

[gabrielgrissom]

Talk about theoretical...... How has Aiken gotten better since 2013? Did you watch him play back then, or are you just making assumptions? You have to do some major cherry picking to try to make Aiken and especially Marlon sound good. Neither has explosive playmaking ability, and neither draws double coverage, so the opposing defenses must agree with me that they aren't much of a threat. On our last couple possessions, Joe had nowhere to go with the ball. He wasn't ignoring open players or staring down receivers. He was going through his progressions and no one was open. You're just making blind assumptions that our undrafted players, late round rookies, and PS castoffs have improved and have suddenly become legit NFL caliber starters. There is absolutely nothing to substantiate those assumptions. WRs and TEs who leave the Ravens never play better with another qb, and I don't see any other qb doing anything with nothing but 3rd string pass catchers, all of whom are undrafted players or rookies, with none being first round picks.

kamar has gotten off for the last 2 games and you just dont know his name yet, last year in the slot when given the oppurtunity was an above average receiver with his route running and ability to find the wholes in zones with crossing routes and hanging on to balls being a possession receiver which he is excelling at now when he is given the chance

[gabrielgrissom]

Talk about theoretical...... How has Aiken gotten better since 2013? Did you watch him play back then, or are you just making assumptions? You have to do some major cherry picking to try to make Aiken and especially Marlon sound good. Neither has explosive playmaking ability, and neither draws double coverage, so the opposing defenses must agree with me that they aren't much of a threat. On our last couple possessions, Joe had nowhere to go with the ball. He wasn't ignoring open players or staring down receivers. He was going through his progressions and no one was open. You're just making blind assumptions that our undrafted players, late round rookies, and PS castoffs have improved and have suddenly become legit NFL caliber starters. There is absolutely nothing to substantiate those assumptions. WRs and TEs who leave the Ravens never play better with another qb, and I don't see any other qb doing anything with nothing but 3rd string pass catchers, all of whom are undrafted players or rookies, with none being first round picks.

anything else?

[Ravensfan5520]

We just gave up 457 yds to Josh McCown with a receiving corps of Hartline, Hawkins, Gabriel, and Barnidge, let that sink in. Now you've realized the state our defense is currently in.

Edited October 11, 2015 by Ravensfan5520

[4evermore23]

We was picked to win the superbowl that was the kiss of death were underdogs we fight from behind i hated when we were picked by analyst to win it all cause we do the exact opposite all outsiders leave us alone in ravens nation dont pick us for nothing

[Zeus]

Webb is always injured, trade him for a new water boy.... Like bobby boshay

[4evermore23]

We can use a top ten pick this yr smh our previous draft choices just havent panned out like we wanted authur brown upshaw and we cant just get it right at corner and reciver maybe if were closer to the top we can hopefully get the best talent available we can b sellers trade ppl away and stock pile picks this is not our yr

[picke]

I don't want to hear about injuries. It's the NFL. I don't want to hear Pees "defense" (I know, it is laughable to use that word in connection with him) that this unit is still learning to play together. I don't want to hear one more post-game comment - "this loss is on the defense." I don't want to hear "we should have won." What I would like to hear from organizational leadership and br.com - "We just aren't as good as we thought we were." We should be 0-5, and we would be if it wasn't for Roethlisberger's injury. And that is no excuse. That's a fact.

[GageRage]

Deffinatly not wearing any of my Ravens gear into the office anytime this year it seems. Appreciate it. Harbaugh needs to fire someone to get these guys to wake the F up, and drop these guy's contracts that don't deserve it!

[gabrielgrissom]

oh so to be a good reciever you have to be a dynamic playmaker and a receiver that draws double coverage constantly... ok so anquan boldin even now wouldnt be a #1 reciever... and dont tell me torrey is either because we both know he isnt... boldin does the exact same thing kamar does... doesnt create seperation doesnt draw a double team but he gets the job done doesnt he... kamar was making joe haden look silly... do you actually watch these games or are you just upset that we lost today and have nothing logical to blame it on.

and if you dont believe what i said about boldin watch tonight

[RavensBaltimore]

oh so to be a good reciever you have to be a dynamic playmaker and a receiver that draws double coverage constantly... ok so anquan boldin even now wouldnt be a #1 reciever... and dont tell me torrey is either because we both know he isnt... boldin does the exact same thing kamar does... doesnt create seperation doesnt draw a double team but he gets the job done doesnt he... kamar was making joe haden look silly... do you actually watch these games or are you just upset that we lost today and have nothing logical to blame it on.

Kamar Aiken is nowhere close to the type of receiver Boldin is. That's just a laughable comparison. Boldin was a reliable, productive starter everywhere he's been. No, Aiken doesn't draw double teams, and getting separation against single coverage a few times per game doesn't make someone a good WR. Not even close. So you think Aiken, who was an UFA in 2011, had 0 catches in 2011, 0 catches in 2012, 0 catches in 2013, and when he gets a chance to play with Flacco in 2014, he suddenly "improves" and becomes a good WR. What a convenient assumption. And Marlon, who wasn't drafted either, is a good receiver, too, but it's Flacco's fault that he's not producing.  There isn't another team in the league that has an undrafted top 2 WRs, but Flacco just happens to have 2 good ones, and it's his fault that they are not producing, even though most, if not all of our receviers that have played with other qbs have played better with Flacco than without him. Got it.

[jravens13]

We haven't won the close ones. Not even half way through the season, our season is ending with a draft pick in mind. It should be more obvious than ever that we desperately lack pass rushers and that our defensive coordinator might be working for someone in vegas. Our schedule, is actually pretty easy from here on out after we play AZ. But if you can't win at home against a sorry browns team who you were physically dominating in the first half, you probably don't stand a chance at making the playoffs.

[gabrielgrissom]

I don't want to hear about injuries. It's the NFL. I don't want to hear Pees "defense" (I know, it is laughable to use that word in connection with him) that this unit is still learning to play together. I don't want to hear one more post-game comment - "this loss is on the defense." I don't want to hear "we should have won." What I would like to hear from organizational leadership and br.com - "We just aren't as good as we thought we were." We should be 0-5, and we would be if it wasn't for Roethlisberger's injury. And that is no excuse. That's a fact.

so you would just like us to say we quit... HAHAHA envision that can you picture the ravens saying we quit... thats why i love this team and thats why i love the bulls for basketball we never quit... 

[RavenPatriot]

Defense has LOTS of issues, including Peas. Did anyone dvr the game? Go back and watch our average Joe over- throw Aiken x2, Brown x2 and juice X1 two of which were TD's!! Keep an eye out for Joe-cool completely missing wide open 2nd & 3rd reads. our no name receivers got separation all day, and Joe-cool threw for 224 passing yards?? 30 points isn't enough when your D is THAT bad, and just because we pay him like a top 5 qb doesn't mean he Is one. Kudos to the O line - did what they were supposed to do to a poor run defense. ...someone tell me how much we have invested in Flacco, J Smith & Webb? #UGLY.

[gabrielgrissom]

Kamar Aiken is nowhere close to the type of receiver Boldin is. That's just a laughable comparison. Boldin was a reliable, productive starter everywhere he's been. No, Aiken doesn't draw double teams, and getting separation against single coverage a few times per game doesn't make someone a good WR. Not even close. So you think Aiken, who was an UFA in 2011, had 0 catches in 2011, 0 catches in 2012, 0 catches in 2013, and when he gets a chance to play with Flacco in 2014, he suddenly "improves" and becomes a good WR. What a convenient assumption. And Marlon, who wasn't drafted either, is a good receiver, too, but it's Flacco's fault that he's not producing.  There isn't another team in the league that has an undrafted top 2 WRs, but Flacco just happens to have 2 good ones, and it's his fault that they are not producing, even though most, if not all of our receviers that have played with other qbs have played better with Flacco than without him. Got it.

your right doug baldwin and jermaine kearse were drafted.... dude come on man your looking foolish right now. And i mean you must to have improved just a little to be from behind DEONTE THOMPSON just at the start of last year to a #2 receiver... when has aiken let you down... for real... whens the last time you said "dang kamar, catch the ball" whens the last time you said "Kamar had an awful game, couldnt catch a cold" I didnt think you guys were raving about Q when he was here the only time we did was in the playoffs of 2012... get a clue, WATCH the game tonight and see if im lying.

[gabrielgrissom]

Kamar Aiken is nowhere close to the type of receiver Boldin is. That's just a laughable comparison. Boldin was a reliable, productive starter everywhere he's been. No, Aiken doesn't draw double teams, and getting separation against single coverage a few times per game doesn't make someone a good WR. Not even close. So you think Aiken, who was an UFA in 2011, had 0 catches in 2011, 0 catches in 2012, 0 catches in 2013, and when he gets a chance to play with Flacco in 2014, he suddenly "improves" and becomes a good WR. What a convenient assumption. And Marlon, who wasn't drafted either, is a good receiver, too, but it's Flacco's fault that he's not producing.  There isn't another team in the league that has an undrafted top 2 WRs, but Flacco just happens to have 2 good ones, and it's his fault that they are not producing, even though most, if not all of our receviers that have played with other qbs have played better with Flacco than without him. Got it.

and the fact that he isnt always open and still makes catches JUST LIKE Q DID doesnt make him a good receiver but Q was grow up and appreciate kamar

[cbrook1862]

Since we can't seem to get anything right this season, im going to break it down into steps.

1) FIRE DEAN PEES! I'm tired of seeing his non-adjustment making tale.

2) Get some pass-rushers, Suggs and Dumervil are getting old, Babin sucks, Upshaw cannot constantly get pressure on the qb and Z'adarius Smith is a rookie. The defense as a whole needs not an overhaul, but a big change. this past draft for us was mainly offense, 2016 draft looks like it will be defense heavy.

3) Get aggressive and play with some passion. Instead of forgetting each loss and just moving on, why don't you try remembering it, and hold onto the feeling of loosing so you play with a vengeance and you make sure you never get that feeling again.

4) Convert on 3rd down and finish in the redzone. We probably would've won if we finished that last drive off with a TD instead of settling for 3, with that said 30 points should be enough to win. We need to hold that as the standard that if we score at least 30 points, the defense should be able to do their part and we get out with a win every time.

5) Kill the freaking injury bug. I know it's apart of the game and they will happen regardless, but got damn! I feel like the football god's have been picking on us for a couple years now and i'm tired of it.

[GangofRavens]

Defense has LOTS of issues, including Peas. Did anyone dvr the game? Go back and watch our average Joe over- throw Aiken x2, Brown x2 and juice X1 two of which were TD's!! Keep an eye out for Joe-cool completely missing wide open 2nd & 3rd reads. our no name receivers got separation all day, and Joe-cool threw for 224 passing yards?? 30 points isn't enough when your D is THAT bad, and just because we pay him like a top 5 qb doesn't mean he Is one. Kudos to the O line - did what they were supposed to do to a poor run defense. ...someone tell me how much we have invested in Flacco, J Smith & Webb? #UGLY.

I've been pointing out these to things for some time now.  First, our WRs can and do get open.  Joe just doesn't hit them.  Second, Joe is poor at going through his progressions.  He always has been.  I've got Game Pass and see the coach's tape all the time.  These guys can get separation and they often do. Joe looks less like an elite QB as we've slowly lost our stalwart defensive players.

[OzzieBisciotti]

For a team that's always prided ourselves on defense, and a hard running game, it sure looks like we've lost our identity. I don't think we've had a top five defense in a while, and since Kubs left, we can't run downhill with a tiger chasing us.

Oz has to do a better job at drafting and can't expect his philosophy of "renting a receiver/ cornerback for that matter" to help us win championships. Who cares if we have all these comp picks at the end of the year if: 1) we can't replace our studs leaving, and 2) Oz can't draft anyone good to replace our good players. We're the only team in the NFL with scrub receivers and scrub corners save for SSS and Jimmy Smith- even those two aren't great and arguably could be # 2s on other teams- yet Ozzie likes to spend big money on players who are past their prime or players who get injured all the time. Scot McLoughan, in his first year as Washington's GM, has made the most of his picks and most of his picks are contributing in a big way this year. meanwhile, we have 3rd stringer receivers who are our number 1 receivers today with SSS out- SMH

[RavensBaltimore]

and the fact that he isnt always open and still makes catches JUST LIKE Q DID doesnt make him a good receiver but Q was grow up and appreciate kamar

No, Q was a good receiver because he consistently made plays. Aiken failed to gain a single yard in 2 the of the 5 games this year. In his 1st 4 years, Boldin had three 1,000 yd seasons, two seasons with 100 receptions, and 20 TDs. In Aiken's 1st 4 seasons combined, he had about 250 yds. Not even close.

[law215]

We just gave up 457 yds to Josh McCown with a receiving corps of Hartline, Hawkins, Gabriel, and Barnidge, let that sink in. Now you've realized the state our defense is currently in.

That's the biggest reason for a Def Coordinator change, If you look at it, that's been a pattern for the last few years including the Superbowl. (Ravens should have blown out the 49ers) The defense has gotten progressively worst under Pees. The squeaking  out of wins made people believe a player here or there would improve them. No, its Pees. Most of our guys aren't that bad talent wise . If you think our defense lacks talent, then it is Pees job to get the guys he needs. Either way Pees must go.