The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[52520Andrew]

It hit me today that some of these blown 4th quarter leads have a lot to do with Ray and Ed being gone. We blew our fair share of leads in 2012 like Philly, Washington, and Pittsburgh but when things really mattered we delivered. We held Denver scoreless and got the game winning pick in OT, held NE to 0 second half points in the AFC Championship game, and while we almost blew it against the 49ers, we found a way to win. I think the leadership those guys provided helps a lot in those critical late game situations where the defense has to make a play. 

 

We blew quite a few 4th quarter leads back in 2013 and it was a big topic of discussion around here although I still feel the O-line was the biggest thing that hurt us that year. Still, the TOP was not bad enough where you could simply say the defense got worn out either.

 

We all remember 2 14 point leads in 2014

 

And this year we again had a fair share of blown leads. Pees does have a history of blown 4th quarter leads going back to NE(and there is one in particular that we are all thankful for) but I also think our defense does not have that leader to rally the troops when the game is on the line and show that mental toughness in critical situations. This also goes along with our tendency to commit terrible penalties in bad situations like grabbing a facemask on a sack that would have ended the game or plenty of other examples. I think that lack of mental toughness on the defense is the biggest thing that held us back this year.

[redrum52]

He really pissed me off after that San Diego game in 2014. 3 man rushes and playing way off let Rivers take what we were offering all the way down the field. Should have played more aggressive and maybe someone could have stepped up and stopped the Chargers or if the defense did fail, they got it over with and gave the offense some time. Still not over that one lol

Rivers has always given us trouble it feels like.

[GrimCoconut]

He really pissed me off after that San Diego game in 2014. 3 man rushes and playing way off let Rivers take what we were offering all the way down the field. Should have played more aggressive and maybe someone could have stepped up and stopped the Chargers or if the defense did fail, they got it over with and gave the offense some time. Still not over that one lol

I think that may be the game. I can't remember anymore. I tried to forget as much as I could about this season. Lol

[52520Andrew]

I think that may be the game. I can't remember anymore. I tried to forget as much as I could about this season. Lol

Wasn't this season lol but I have been doing the same thing for this year

[ravensdfan]

I can't wait to bump this thread when our season is tanking next year

I'd rather either be wrong about Pees or have an offense potent enough that we manage to pull out the wins when the defense folds in the 4th or potent enough that we have leads big enough that they can't manage to lose the game by giving up 4th quarter points.

 

It hit me today that some of these blown 4th quarter leads have a lot to do with Ray and Ed being gone. We blew our fair share of leads in 2012 like Philly, Washington, and Pittsburgh but when things really mattered we delivered. We held Denver scoreless and got the game winning pick in OT, held NE to 0 second half points in the AFC Championship game, and while we almost blew it against the 49ers, we found a way to win. I think the leadership those guys provided helps a lot in those critical late game situations where the defense has to make a play. 

 

We blew quite a few 4th quarter leads back in 2013 and it was a big topic of discussion around here although I still feel the O-line was the biggest thing that hurt us that year. Still, the TOP was not bad enough where you could simply say the defense got worn out either.

 

We all remember 2 14 point leads in 2014

 

And this year we again had a fair share of blown leads. Pees does have a history of blown 4th quarter leads going back to NE(and there is one in particular that we are all thankful for) but I also think our defense does not have that leader to rally the troops when the game is on the line and show that mental toughness in critical situations. This also goes along with our tendency to commit terrible penalties in bad situations like grabbing a facemask on a sack that would have ended the game or plenty of other examples. I think that lack of mental toughness on the defense is the biggest thing that held us back this year.

2014 was the year we had the fewest (although because of the particular game we blew those 2 14 pt leads - perhaps the most painful of the Pees era) blown 4th quarter leads. IMO it is no coincidence it is the same year the offense performed at its highest level.  His brand of defense requires a potent offense.

[Tru11]

It hit me today that some of these blown 4th quarter leads have a lot to do with Ray and Ed being gone. We blew our fair share of leads in 2012 like Philly, Washington, and Pittsburgh but when things really mattered we delivered. We held Denver scoreless and got the game winning pick in OT, held NE to 0 second half points in the AFC Championship game, and while we almost blew it against the 49ers, we found a way to win. I think the leadership those guys provided helps a lot in those critical late game situations where the defense has to make a play. 

 

We blew quite a few 4th quarter leads back in 2013 and it was a big topic of discussion around here although I still feel the O-line was the biggest thing that hurt us that year. Still, the TOP was not bad enough where you could simply say the defense got worn out either.

 

We all remember 2 14 point leads in 2014

 

And this year we again had a fair share of blown leads. Pees does have a history of blown 4th quarter leads going back to NE(and there is one in particular that we are all thankful for) but I also think our defense does not have that leader to rally the troops when the game is on the line and show that mental toughness in critical situations. This also goes along with our tendency to commit terrible penalties in bad situations like grabbing a facemask on a sack that would have ended the game or plenty of other examples. I think that lack of mental toughness on the defense is the biggest thing that held us back this year.

 

people underrate how important experience and having a high football IQ are.

 

our team is pretty young on both sides of the ball and it has shown in games.

 

most of our games where lost on individual mistakes tbh.

 

you can call the perfect play , but if just 1 person blows his assignment it will fail.

[Tru11]

And I'm wrong because .. you used an emoticon in your response again?

 

well lets see.

 

You have a 53 man roster + PS players.

You have an HC OC DC + several position coaches , assistants and consultants.

 

on game day you have a 46 player roster.

 

most of the players on the game day rosters see some snaps.

 

yes when the TEAM loses only the DC is a loser according to you.

 

No you are right.

Your logic is a solid as its comes 

Edited January 18, 2016 by Tru11

[redrum52]

I'd rather either be wrong about Pees or have an offense potent enough that we manage to pull out the wins when the defense folds in the 4th or potent enough that we have leads big enough that they can't manage to lose the game by giving up 4th quarter points.

2014 was the year we had the fewest (although because of the particular game we blew those 2 14 pt leads - perhaps the most painful of the Pees era) blown 4th quarter leads. IMO it is no coincidence it is the same year the offense performed at its highest level. His brand of defense requires a potent offense.

What's the Seahawks excuse then in the SB? Arizonas excuse against GB? The Panthers yesterday? The Bengals against the Steelers?

It's now the offenses job to keep scoring. I mean, the rules are tailor made for offense to put up points, but I guess that doesn't matter. You can't play the same brand of defense, but that doesn't matter I guess, because Pees isn't their DC. If anything, these playoffs should show you how damn tough it is to play defense.

Edited January 21, 2016 by redrum52

[Ravenslifer]

Maybe we just haven't ever had a good overall secondary?

 

That could be true.  The one year the secondary looked "great" since Rex left after 2008 was 2011, but some of the "notable" QBs we faced that year were Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez, Shaub, Gabbert, Alex Smith, Dan Orlovsky.  We didn't really face the kind of QB that could take advantage of a bad secondary very often, and I remember Rivers in the midst of a bad season just shredding us.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Ravenslifer

[BmoreBird22]

For what this is worth, the Panthers have blown four leads of AT LEAST THREE scores this season. 

[arnie_uk]

For what this is worth, the Panthers have blown four leads of AT LEAST THREE scores this season.

they've only lost once so I don't see how that's true.

[The Raven]

they've only lost once so I don't see how that's true.

 

Is it not possible to lose a fourth quarter lead and the offense takes it back? Hmmm......

[arnie_uk]

Is it not possible to lose a fourth quarter lead and the offense takes it back? Hmmm......

is it not possible to reply to something without sarcasm? hmmm....

That thought never entered my head. You generally associate blown leads with losses to late at night for any comprehensive thinking

Edited January 20, 2016 by arnie_uk

[Tank 92]

It depends on how you look at it.  

[BmoreBird22]

is it not possible to reply to something without sarcasm? hmmm....

That thought never entered my head. You generally associate blown leads with losses to late at night for any comprehensive thinking

Just pointing out that it even happens to the team with the best record in the NFL.

[Tru11]

Just pointing out that it even happens to the team with the best record in the NFL.

 

nope only the ravens have this happen to them according to some here 

[arnie_uk]

Just pointing out that it even happens to the team with the best record in the NFL.

they likely went prevent defense with such a lead.

Did we ever get a 3 score lead all game?

Our defense should have been playing "as normal" and still it happened to us.

Kind of an apples to oranges comparison but I get the overall premise.

[BmoreBird22]

they likely went prevent defense with such a lead.

Did we ever get a 3 score lead all game?

Our defense should have been playing "as normal" and still it happened to us.

Kind of an apples to oranges comparison but I get the overall premise.

the Panthers are a base Tampa 2, I'm pretty sure, which is by nature a "prevent defense" and it worked out well enough for them to be sixth best in the league in points allowed and best in turnover differential.

I doubt the Ravens have gotten a three score lead, let alone having a lead for am entire game, when they blew a lead. People are going to count it as a blown lead if the Ravens trailed 21-0, then miraculously came back with 10 minutes left and lost 27-24.

It's just not exclusive to the Ravens or a problem that the rest of the NFL doesn't face is all I'm saying. And it happens to many different forms of defense

[arnie_uk]

the Panthers are a base Tampa 2, I'm pretty sure, which is by nature a "prevent defense" and it worked out well enough for them to be sixth best in the league in points allowed and best in turnover differential.

I doubt the Ravens have gotten a three score lead, let alone having a lead for am entire game, when they blew a lead. People are going to count it as a blown lead if the Ravens trailed 21-0, then miraculously came back with 10 minutes left and lost 27-24.

It's just not exclusive to the Ravens or a problem that the rest of the NFL doesn't face is all I'm saying. And it happens to many different forms of defense

that second to last paragraph happened alot in 2013.

Defense played well for 3 qtrs and offense sucked, then they opened up and Flacco turned the screw and got a lead. The defense then crapped the bed and we lost be under a touchdown.

It's not blowing a lead but it was unclutch as hell, and I called them out a lot for it then, even moreso now.

[BmoreBird22]

that second to last paragraph happened alot in 2013.

Defense played well for 3 qtrs and offense sucked, then they opened up and Flacco turned the screw and got a lead. The defense then crapped the bed and we lost be under a touchdown.

It's not blowing a lead but it was unclutch as hell, and I called them out a lot for it then, even moreso now.

Yeah, 2013 was an incredibly frustrating year to be a Ravens fan. I remember people putting a ton of the blame on the offense for not scoring points, but when you're a defense, you should not be allowing seven, eight minute drives to end a game when the offense needs to ball back to score.

 

I remember that quite vividly.