The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[Ravenslifer]

Can somebody please tell us how many 4th quarter leads we have blown in the last 2 years for mr peaspologist?

 

We didn't lose all of them, but I counted about 9 in the last 2 years.  To be fair though, some of those "blown leads" were games in which the offense failed to put even 20 points on the board.  Yeah giving up TDs in the 4th quarter is bad, but I can't put a 17-16 loss on the defense.  The more alarming thing was that we gave up quite a few big passing plays which cost us wins.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Ravenslifer

[The Raven]

Dean Pees seems to get a lot out of D-linemen and linebackers but struggles with the secondary.  People seem to forget this but before Pees came to town Sizzle was an every other year player - one year he was a 12 sack monster, the next 5, the next year 8, the next year 4.5, etc.  Since Pees came in 2010, Sizzle has had double digit sacks in every healthy year he's been here.  Kruger racked up a grand total of 1 sack his first 2 years here, finished the last 2 with 13.5 despite not starting, and now is struggling like mad in Cleveland in spite of being the starting DE there.  Up until this year Elvis Dumervil has played some of the best football of his career under Pees, and we continually lose the likes of McPhee and Jones while replacing them with Zadarius Smith, Timmy Jernigan, and Lawrence Guy.  The question is can a guy like Leslie Frazier help the secondary play better, or is it an overall scheme thing with Pees, because aside from not being able to cover guys I think this defense does a good job everywhere else.

 

Maybe we just haven't ever had a good overall secondary?

[BmoreBird22]

then maybe because too much back peddling by our DB's, that is called schemes 

I just wanted to single this out in your post because, well, yeah... No...

[The Raven]

I just wanted to single this out in your post because, well, yeah... No...

 

That might very well be the dumbest thing I've read. Too much back pedaling? Lmao

Edited January 17, 2016 by The Raven

[BmoreBird22]

That might very well be the dumbest thing I've read. Too much back pedaling? Lmao

I think the dumbest thing I've read to insult Pees was that because more defensive players play ST's, when they allow a score or fail to make a stop, it's Pees fault and should be a fault against the defense, but this is a close second.

[edthehead]

I just wanted to single this out in your post because, well, yeah... No...

my fault

it came out wrong,

[edthehead]

That might very well be the dumbest thing I've read. Too much back pedaling? Lmao

ok,ok,ok 

my bad, lol 

[BmoreBird22]

my fault

it came out wrong,

 

 

ok,ok,ok 

my bad, lol 

I will say I apologize if it came out rude because you were at least willing to admit a mistake. I completely respect that. 

[PurpleCity5]

I'd like him as a DC here too but I doubt he'll come back after 12 years of playing against us.

Call me insane but I don't blame any one for hiring him as an HC. I think he can coach and he has an eye for talent, just has not proven he's built for the postseason. 

 

As far as coming here goes, I think he would take the job if it gives him the best chance of being an HC again. Granted, he may be one-and-done but our defense would take off IMO. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I have been watching football for 50 plus years, and have seen Dick LeBeau coach defense that long. There is a reason the Squeelers always held teams to low amount of points, and it wasn't playing zone

[redrum52]

I have been watching football for 50 plus years, and have seen Dick LeBeau coach defense that long. There is a reason the Squeelers always held teams to low amount of points, and it wasn't playing zone

Really?  50 years and you couldn't tell that LeBeau is famous for... wait for it...

 

 

 

ZONE BLITZES

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

In fact, the Seahawks tried playing zone against Cam in the first half today, and he torched them. I liked the second half adjustments, sign of good coaching, to shut them out so far in the 2nd half. ...rarely do we see our defensive coaching make these mid game adjustments...but hey, some of us might be a little dense...lol

[redrum52]

In fact, the Seahawks tried playing zone against Cam in the first half today, and he torched them. I liked the second half adjustments, sign of good coaching, to shut them out so far in the 2nd half. ...rarely do we see our defensive coaching make these mid game adjustments...but hey, some of us might be a little dense...lol

You read my mind...

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

You read my mind...

Must be all the bhits...lol

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Nobody will ever convince me that a zone scheme is better than man, unless your players really suck and thats all you can do....its a brain dead scheme

[BmoreBird22]

In fact, the Seahawks tried playing zone against Cam in the first half today, and he torched them. I liked the second half adjustments, sign of good coaching, to shut them out so far in the 2nd half. ...rarely do we see our defensive coaching make these mid game adjustments...but hey, some of us might be a little dense...lol

I'm gonna let you in on a secret- the Seahawks defense is a...

COVER 3 ZONE!

Hey, funny fact as well- Josh Norman plays primarily zone defense. He's probably the best zone cover corner in the NFL and it really shows when it works. 

Edited January 17, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[52520Andrew]

We did win a Super Bowl when our DC decided to have some faith in a young CB going against their #1 WR and blitz. Just going to throw that out there

[redrum52]

We did win a Super Bowl when our DC decided to have some faith in a young CB going against their #1 WR and blitz. Just going to throw that out there

SAY WHA!?!?!?!?!

[GrimCoconut]

Not sure why people hate zone coverage so much. I didn't like it earlier in the year because I didn't think it really worked to our benefit because I personally prefer the press-bail since you can disguise the coverage & it makes it easier to blitz the CB directly from the LOS without having to bring him forward from his zone, which I always found exposed the intent of the blitz to the QB. This was particularly important since we lost Suggs. That said, I didn't hate zone & still don't, although I do recall Pees making me really upset one time while the DBs were in zone. I also couldn't stand the off-man coverage because we didn't do it well & felt that press was better because, while our DBs weren't ideal for the press, it at least could help some with the pass rush.

 

Ultimately, the team did better than I could've and we did adjust. I think it was too little too late. I still don't like Pees and I don't personally want him here, but I can't complain much with the new additions & I'll just hope it's better next year. I can't give him an excuse because I'm frankly tired of giving him excuses. 

 

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Zone coverage isn't bad it just relies on the personnel & I don't think we have the best personnel to run it effectively atm, although that may change by next year. We looked better at the end of the year.

[Tenacious Faulker]

It's not so simple as man vs zone coverage.  They do both when necessary.  Pees understands both and switches back and forth when needed.  Zone is used ot hide the defficiencies of the CBs with protection from the safeties.  Depending ont he offense they might ad a nickel DB in to handle a pass happy offense or just series of drives.  They might spend most of the time in zone coverage too and switch to man when they get to the red zone where the field is short and there's less room for the offense to move.

 

Rex Ryan was big on man coverage because he had the talent.  While his defenses were top notch, they often gave up big plays.  They relied heavily on D because they didn't have a franchise QB to pay for.  Yet even he knew that zone coverage had a time and place and switched back and forth when he needed. 

[ravensdfan]

Do me a favor and look around the league. I see top defenses "blowing" 4th quarter leads. If you want the defense to hold teams scoreless, your expectations should be for the offense to score every drive as well then. For leads blown, there have also been the offense simply not doing their job. Pees also doesn't tell his corners to fall down when covering deeps zones to give up tds. There are at least 6 of those this season with guys flat out failing at their job. I've noticed a trend where many who fight against Pees the most have unrelenting faith in Flacco. Of a WR runs a wrong route, there's no problem calling out the wr, if the bad route results in a pick. Now, with Pees, even if the coverage called is right, and a corner falls or a big play is given up, it's his fault. He's one of the few guys here who has shown he's willing to adjust, something people constantly complain about, but he can't even get credit for that because people are blinded by their hate. The man definitely has his faults, but blame him for something that's actually his fault.

Um.No. He adjusted this year because he felt the fire and his job was on the line. Plus, the way Harbs said it leads me to believe it was not a voluntary adjustment but a more than strong suggestion from higher up. Of course, we do not know that. One of his biggest issues is not making in-game adjustments with any consistency. In fact, in his pressers the first half of this season showed a stubborn side and an unwillingness to adjust.

 

Can somebody please tell us how many 4th quarter leads we have blown in the last 2 years for mr peaspologist?

Already done earlier in this thread. ALL the blown 4th quarter leads and not just the ones we lost.

 

he stays in the booth and shows poor communication skills, fall downs do happen but if it is on a regular basis

 

then maybe because too much back peddling by our DB's, that is called schemes 

 

stupid penalties should warrant some type of punishment,

 

we are not there ( in the locker room) so we do not know,

 

I also fault HARB on penalties, certain penalties are inexcusable.  

you are correct everybody blows a lead here and there, it's their jobs, to exploit the other. but we are talking the last 2 years

I think he is good playing NE.

 

His adjustments usually come late in the game.

Pees is a good DC, but not  RAVENS DC, our style, our tenacity, our ferociousness , our anger is gone,

     He redrum  our defense. 

 

That made me laugh.

We did win a Super Bowl when our DC decided to have some faith in a young CB going against their #1 WR and blitz. Just going to throw that out there

After they nearly blew a 28-6 lead. Just throwing that out there as well so everything is on the table.

 

I find the additions to the defensive coaching staff intriguing. Scheme change? Or just insurance against yet another year of blown 4th quarter leads, having someone ready to take over for a mid-season fire? Hmmm.

Edited January 18, 2016 by ravensdfan

[GrimCoconut]

It's not so simple as man vs zone coverage.  They do both when necessary.  Pees understands both and switches back and forth when needed.  Zone is used ot hide the defficiencies of the CBs with protection from the safeties.  Depending ont he offense they might ad a nickel DB in to handle a pass happy offense or just series of drives.  They might spend most of the time in zone coverage too and switch to man when they get to the red zone where the field is short and there's less room for the offense to move.

 

Rex Ryan was big on man coverage because he had the talent.  While his defenses were top notch, they often gave up big plays.  They relied heavily on D because they didn't have a franchise QB to pay for.  Yet even he knew that zone coverage had a time and place and switched back and forth when he needed. 

AKA the best single-high, centerfield FS in the league & a future HOF -- Ed Reed. That certainly helped. 

[jazz1988]

In fact, the Seahawks tried playing zone against Cam in the first half today, and he torched them. I liked the second half adjustments, sign of good coaching, to shut them out so far in the 2nd half. ...rarely do we see our defensive coaching make these mid game adjustments...but hey, some of us might be a little dense...lol

The Ravens defensive coordinator also hasn't been fortunate to have the same type of players The Hawks have in the secondary. We have no Richard Shermen or Earl Thomas. Of course Jimmy Smith could bring that shut down cornerback type play but he wasn't him self this season and we don't have  Earl Thomas type free safety at all yet .

[GrimCoconut]

The Ravens defensive coordinator also hasn't been fortunate to have the same type of players The Hawks have in the secondary. We have no Richard Shermen or Earl Thomas. Of course Jimmy Smith could bring that shut down cornerback type play but he wasn't him self this season and we don't have  Earl Thomas type free safety at all yet .

What about Terrence Brooks? 

[Dr. Kelley]

internet logic at its finest.

only the DC is the loser, everyone else remains a winner

And I'm wrong because .. you used an emoticon in your response again?

[Dr. Kelley]

I can't wait to bump this thread when our season is tanking next year

[jazz1988]

What about Terrence Brooks? 

 

Who ?   lol. I think he could be that guy but he wasn't this season. Hopefully The Ravens new secondary coach can help The Ravens young corners and safeties .

[atomicfront]

I can't wait to bump this thread when our season is tanking next year

 

So you want the team have a bad season next year so you can be right about Pees?  Also why wouldn't you post it in the Fire Harbaugh thread as he is obviously doesn't even know as much about football as you as he was keeping Pees when he should have known he was the reason the team was bad?

[52520Andrew]

After they nearly blew a 28-6 lead. Just throwing that out there as well so everything is on the table.

I wasn't throwing that example out there to defend Pees but rather to show that blitzing and having faith in your secondary can pay dividends. The one person I feel was wrong saying that zone never works(although I really am not a fan of 3 man rushes and playing 10 yards off in coverage unless it is garbage time or a hail mary attempt) but sometimes it pays off to be aggresive. That was an example.

[52520Andrew]

Pees making me really upset one time while the DBs were in zone.

 

He really pissed me off after that San Diego game in 2014. 3 man rushes and playing way off let Rivers take what we were offering all the way down the field. Should have played more aggressive and maybe someone could have stepped up and stopped the Chargers or if the defense did fail, they got it over with and gave the offense some time. Still not over that one lol