The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[Tru11]

So we closed the Harbaugh thread. I vote we close this one too. Pees is staying. Some people hate that. Others don't mind that.

Not much else to say that has not already been said.

 

agreed

[jazz1988]

Pretty pissed Pees isnt going. Monashino should have gotten the job. We need fresh aggressive minds to elevate this unit, that coach from the sideline. We blew it

 

Honestly we as fans don't know if Monachino is really that good as a defensive coordinator and I'm not even sure if he will be given the opportunity to call plays for The Colts because it's been speculated that Chuck Pagano  will be more involved as the play call .Losing Monachino hurts because he was a pretty good linebacker coach but there still a good chance The Ravens would have lost him even as their defensive coordinator.

 

Monachino could leave(for a head coach position of course) just like Chuck Pagano  did after his first season as The Ravens defensive coordinator then The Ravens would be stuck with trying to find another defensive coordinator to replace him which isn't the easiest thing in the world.

[Cillmatic]

So we closed the Harbaugh thread. I vote we close this one too. Pees is staying. Some people hate that. Others don't mind that.

Not much else to say that has not already been said.

This is "The Deen Pees Thread" not the "The fire Pees Thread". It doesn't need to be closed.

[K-Dog]

This is "The Deen Pees Thread" not the "The fire Pees Thread". It doesn't need to be closed.

To-mato. Ta-mato.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

lol Except here we are every single year with people like you giving him excuses. Same issues, same tired old excuses. Perhaps you are the one beating a dead horse? As in a defense that doesn't improve, doesn't resolve its issues and continues to fail in the 4th quarter.

 

Funny how you're glad to see Monachino go after one bad showing when he's had years of success but want to defend Pees who has not had that success, only the bad showings. Want to use Suggs for an excuse for Pees failures but use him as a reason to be glad Monachino is gone. Interesting.

 

Want to praise Pees for realizing something once the season is done and gone, after 8 games! Instead of understanding that with his experience if he was the great DC you claim, he'd have realized that way sooner. That is their job you know, to understand their players' strengths & weaknesses and scheme to disguise weaknesses and bring out strengths. Pees not only didn't know that for 8 games, he stood up and declared his scheme was not the issue and was perfect.

 

Ironic in the end.

 

I think we wound up eighth in total defense. That's a credit to Coach Pees. Instead of mailing it in in the second half of the season, our defense improved. Misstating what I've said won't help you convince anyone though. I think I've made it clear that I'm not a big fan of our coaching staff. I've never said I think Harbaugh, Pees or Trestman are great coaches but all three are good coaches. Your unrelenting dislike of Dean Pees won't change my opinion. 

[Kid87]

If Marvin Lewis gets fired, we should let Dean Pees Go and hire Marvin Lewis as our Defensive Coordinator

[ravensdfan]

I think we wound up eighth in total defense. That's a credit to Coach Pees. Instead of mailing it in in the second half of the season, our defense improved. Misstating what I've said won't help you convince anyone though. I think I've made it clear that I'm not a big fan of our coaching staff. I've never said I think Harbaugh, Pees or Trestman are great coaches but all three are good coaches. Your unrelenting dislike of Dean Pees won't change my opinion. 

And your blind support of him doesn't make the issues with his defense go away.

[GrimCoconut]

If Marvin Lewis gets fired, we should let Dean Pees Go and hire Marvin Lewis as our Defensive Coordinator

I'd wait to fire Pees until Lewis signs but I agree.

[ravensdfan]

I'd wait to fire Pees until Lewis signs but I agree.

I know they choke in the playoffs and their 0-7 post season record is the worst in NFL history but Lewis would most likely get offered another HC gig based on what he did do with that team. They do at least make the playoffs consistently now.

[Kid87]

If Marvin Lewis gets fired, we should let Dean Pees Go and hire Marvin Lewis as our Defensive Coordinator

By the way I don't think he should get fired

[GrimCoconut]

I know they choke in the playoffs and their 0-7 post season record is the worst in NFL history but Lewis would most likely get offered another HC gig based on what he did do with that team. They do at least make the playoffs consistently now.

I feel the same way but you never know what'll happen. I doubt he gets fired because he seems to dodge this annually. And I'm sure a big part of why he gets them consistently in the playoffs is their roster is stacked after good drafting combined with multiple early picks due to trading players at the right time.

Hopefully he goes to the NFC if he gets fired and gets HC offers. Tampa Bay maybe? Lol. One can dream.

Edited January 10, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Cillmatic]

By the way I don't think he should get fired

Marvin Lewis is one of the worst head coaches in the league. His GM consistently drafts well enough to get them to get to the playoffs but as soon as it's time to focus they fall apart. The way that team behaved against the steelers showed how little control he really has over that team. His team acts like brats and thugs EVERY week but he NEVER disciplines anyone. Remember when Pacman smashed Amari Coopers head into his own helmet? If Harbaughs the coach Pacman gets cut the next morning; same goes for Burfict. So many dirty players over there. I've never seen a weaker Head coach in my life. First HC to go 0-7 in the playoffs; He NEEDS to be fired. Edited January 10, 2016 by Cillmatic

[atomicfront]

Marvin Lewis is one of the worst head coaches in the league. His GM consistently drafts well enough to get them to get to the playoffs but as soon as it's time to focus they fall apart. The way that team behaved against the steelers showed how little control he really has over that team. His team acts like brats and thugs EVERY week but he NEVER disciplines anyone. Remember when Pacman smashed Amari Coopers head into his own helmet? If Harbaughs the coach Pacman gets cut the next morning; same goes for Burfict. So many dirty players over there. I've never seen a weaker Head coach in my life. First HC to go 0-7 in the playoffs; He NEEDS to be fired.

 

The Bengals were 12-2 before Andy Dalton got injured.  Now way he gets fired.  You guys want everyone fired but Harbaugh.

[JO_75]

If Marvin Lewis gets fired, we should let Dean Pees Go and hire Marvin Lewis as our Defensive Coordinator

 

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".... Albert Einstein

 

That would define the Bengals keeping Marvin Lewis and us not firing Dean Pees. 

[jazz1988]

The Bengals were 12-2 before Andy Dalton got injured.  Now way he gets fired.  You guys want everyone fired but Harbaugh.

 

Lewis been with The Bengels for over 10 years and his playoff record is 0-7 that's not good especially when his team is probably the most talented team in The AFC North.  The  Bengels  played really well this season but it has to be very disappointing to see such a team play so well and not win a playoff game.

 

Overall Lewis job is suppose to be safe and even if he was fired I doubt he would want to be The Ravens defensive coordinator again. I'm pretty sure he would be a head coach right away  if he was fired.

[JEEPercreepermd]

The Bengals were 12-2 before Andy Dalton got injured. Now way he gets fired. You guys want everyone fired but Harbaugh.[/quote

Half of them wanted Harbaugh fired too.

[redrum52]

The Bengals were 12-2 before Andy Dalton got injured. Now way he gets fired. You guys want everyone fired but Harbaugh.[/quote

Half of them wanted Harbaugh fired too.

Not according to the #s in the poll.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

And your blind support of him doesn't make the issues with his defense go away.

 

I agree but even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. I'm on the right side of this argument. BTW, its not his defense --- its the Ravens' defense. Coach Pees had to play Texas Holdem with the cards he was dealt and he did so adeptly. We wound up the season with a Top 10 defense with all the issues the team had. The issues are numerous: we have two aging pass-rushers, we converted an aging CB to a safety because he's lost a step or two, Jimmy Smith didn't return to his pre-injury form until late in the year, the Kendrick Lewis acquisition hasn't panned out, the Matt Elam draft pick was a bust, et cetera, et cetera. Your disdain for Coach Pees is a joke. He's not going anywhere; nor should he. If anything, he deserves a raise or, at least, a meritorious service award.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Yo Dean, since it looks like we are stuck with you for another season, what are doing to get our defensive swag back? Who is gonna hit the Patsys in the mouth? Can you teach players to cover, and tackle better, using proper technique? Not sure what you can see up there in the booth....can you watch some Retro Ravens Defensive game film from 10 tears ago, and see what a real defense looks like? Make me a believer in what you are trying to do, because last time I checked, we still cough up 4th quarter leads like a dog who tries to swallow its bone.....and I am sick of watching it happen over and over again, year after year.....but hey, I guess its what this younger generation calls acceptable.....Not for me pal

[redrum52]

Yo Dean, since it looks like we are stuck with you for another season, what are doing to get our defensive swag back? Who is gonna hit the Patsys in the mouth? Can you teach players to cover, and tackle better, using proper technique? Not sure what you can see up there in the booth....can you watch some Retro Ravens Defensive game film from 10 tears ago, and see what a real defense looks like? Make me a believer in what you are trying to do, because last time I checked, we still cough up 4th quarter leads like a dog who tries to swallow its bone.....and I am sick of watching it happen over and over again, year after year.....but hey, I guess its what this younger generation calls acceptable.....Not for me pal

Funny you mention the Pats.  Quiz time.  We've played the Patriots 12 times.  How many times do you think we've won?  Also, who do you think were the DCs when we won those games?  If you answer is Chuck Pagano, Rex Ryan or Marvin Lewis, you'd be WRONG.  We've won all our games with either Dean Pees or Gregg Mattison.  In 12, when Pees took over the defense, we beat the Patriots both times, shutting them out the 2nd half of a playoff game.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Can somebody please tell us how many 4th quarter leads we have blown in the last 2 years for mr peaspologist?

[redrum52]

Can somebody please tell us how many 4th quarter leads we have blown in the last 2 years for mr peaspologist?

Do me a favor and look around the league. I see top defenses "blowing" 4th quarter leads. If you want the defense to hold teams scoreless, your expectations should be for the offense to score every drive as well then. For leads blown, there have also been the offense simply not doing their job. Pees also doesn't tell his corners to fall down when covering deeps zones to give up tds. There are at least 6 of those this season with guys flat out failing at their job. I've noticed a trend where many who fight against Pees the most have unrelenting faith in Flacco. Of a WR runs a wrong route, there's no problem calling out the wr, if the bad route results in a pick. Now, with Pees, even if the coverage called is right, and a corner falls or a big play is given up, it's his fault. He's one of the few guys here who has shown he's willing to adjust, something people constantly complain about, but he can't even get credit for that because people are blinded by their hate. The man definitely has his faults, but blame him for something that's actually his fault.

[Dr. Kelley]

Alright. We kept pees. So when we fail next year.... wait its ok. Injuries

[Dr. Kelley]

Do me a favor and look around the league. I see top defenses "blowing" 4th quarter leads. If you want the defense to hold teams scoreless, your expectations should be for the offense to score every drive as well then. For leads blown, there have also been the offense simply not doing their job. Pees also doesn't tell his corners to fall down when covering deeps zones to give up tds. There are at least 6 of those this season with guys flat out failing at their job. I've noticed a trend where many who fight against Pees the most have unrelenting faith in Flacco. Of a WR runs a wrong route, there's no problem calling out the wr, if the bad route results in a pick. Now, with Pees, even if the coverage called is right, and a corner falls or a big play is given up, it's his fault. He's one of the few guys here who has shown he's willing to adjust, something people constantly complain about, but he can't even get credit for that because people are blinded by their hate. The man definitely has his faults, but blame him for something that's actually his fault.

That's a lot of writing to prove a loser is a winner. Please, write some more. In the real time, real people will wait for the real results instead of waiting for the real message board dudes telling us some real fantasy stuff.

[PurpleCity5]

Marvin Lewis is one of the worst head coaches in the league. His GM consistently drafts well enough to get them to get to the playoffs but as soon as it's time to focus they fall apart. The way that team behaved against the steelers showed how little control he really has over that team. His team acts like brats and thugs EVERY week but he NEVER disciplines anyone. Remember when Pacman smashed Amari Coopers head into his own helmet? If Harbaughs the coach Pacman gets cut the next morning; same goes for Burfict. So many dirty players over there. I've never seen a weaker Head coach in my life. First HC to go 0-7 in the playoffs; He NEEDS to be fired.

Marvin Lewis can absolutely coach. The problem with the Bengals in the past has been more on Mike Brown than Lewis himself, he was pretty much the Owner/General Manager, they had no general manager at all. After a while Brown handed Lewis the control of personnel operation with them managing finances and contracts. So you see, not only is Lewis a great defensive mind, but a seriously great talent evaluator. I personally believe if it never works out as a HC, then there might be someone interested in him as a GM. As far as the competance of the players go, Lewis will have to responsible for that but that will heavily be on Harbaugh as well. I don't think Lewis deserves another season in Cincy but I wouldn't be opposed to having him as a DC here.

[redrum52]

Wild card weekend there were 2 games where if the defense held they win the game. Now remember, these are playoff teams and the 2 I'm speaking of, happen to be I think top 3 or 5 scoring defenses. Do you know what happened? One lost and the other advanced due to a shanked kick. This week another top defense gave up a TD on a hail Mary, but won because their offense was good enough to pull through on its first possession.

It's tougher to play defense now, but some are too dense to realize.

[Cillmatic]

Marvin Lewis can absolutely coach. The problem with the Bengals in the past has been more on Mike Brown than Lewis himself, he was pretty much the Owner/General Manager, they had no general manager at all. After a while Brown handed Lewis the control of personnel operation with them managing finances and contracts. So you see, not only is Lewis a great defensive mind, but a seriously great talent evaluator. I personally believe if it never works out as a HC, then there might be someone interested in him as a GM. As far as the competance of the players go, Lewis will have to responsible for that but that will heavily be on Harbaugh as well. I don't think Lewis deserves another season in Cincy but I wouldn't be opposed to having him as a DC here.

I'd like him as a DC here too but I doubt he'll come back after 12 years of playing against us.

[Tru11]

That's a lot of writing to prove a loser is a winner. Please, write some more. In the real time, real people will wait for the real results instead of waiting for the real message board dudes telling us some real fantasy stuff.

 

internet logic at its finest.

 

only the DC is the loser, everyone else remains a winner 

[Ravenslifer]

Dean Pees seems to get a lot out of D-linemen and linebackers but struggles with the secondary.  People seem to forget this but before Pees came to town Sizzle was an every other year player - one year he was a 12 sack monster, the next 5, the next year 8, the next year 4.5, etc.  Since Pees came in 2010, Sizzle has had double digit sacks in every healthy year he's been here.  Kruger racked up a grand total of 1 sack his first 2 years here, finished the last 2 with 13.5 despite not starting, and now is struggling like mad in Cleveland in spite of being the starting DE there.  Up until this year Elvis Dumervil has played some of the best football of his career under Pees, and we continually lose the likes of McPhee and Jones while replacing them with Zadarius Smith, Timmy Jernigan, and Lawrence Guy.  The question is can a guy like Leslie Frazier help the secondary play better, or is it an overall scheme thing with Pees, because aside from not being able to cover guys I think this defense does a good job everywhere else.

[edthehead]

Do me a favor and look around the league. I see top defenses "blowing" 4th quarter leads. If you want the defense to hold teams scoreless, your expectations should be for the offense to score every drive as well then. For leads blown, there have also been the offense simply not doing their job. Pees also doesn't tell his corners to fall down when covering deeps zones to give up tds. There are at least 6 of those this season with guys flat out failing at their job. I've noticed a trend where many who fight against Pees the most have unrelenting faith in Flacco. Of a WR runs a wrong route, there's no problem calling out the wr, if the bad route results in a pick. Now, with Pees, even if the coverage called is right, and a corner falls or a big play is given up, it's his fault. He's one of the few guys here who has shown he's willing to adjust, something people constantly complain about, but he can't even get credit for that because people are blinded by their hate. The man definitely has his faults, but blame him for something that's actually his fault.

he stays in the booth and shows poor communication skills, fall downs do happen but if it is on a regular basis

 

then maybe because too much back peddling by our DB's, that is called schemes 

 

stupid penalties should warrant some type of punishment,

 

we are not there ( in the locker room) so we do not know,

 

I also fault HARB on penalties, certain penalties are inexcusable.  

you are correct everybody blows a lead here and there, it's their jobs, to exploit the other. but we are talking the last 2 years

I think he is good playing NE.

 

His adjustments usually come late in the game.

Pees is a good DC, but not  RAVENS DC, our style, our tenacity, our ferociousness , our anger is gone,

     He redrum  our defense.