The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[rmw10]

Geez .. why all the negs? Lovie is a solid football guy. This doesn't sound like that crazy an idea ... except that I'm sure he'll get a better job offer somewhere in the league than a defensive consultant.

I didn't neg, but I can tell you it's because Lovie and Pees are almost exact opposites. Lovie runs the Tampa 2 which is completely different in its own right. It's a play on the 4-3 alignment, except it's even more different lol. You'd have 2 completely different philosophies working together.

[FastEddie]

Jeff Zrebiec reports

Ravens OLB coach Ted Monachino and DL coach Clarence Brooks highly thought of around league. Both close with Pagano, too.

4:38 PM - 5 Jan 2016

 

Reeeeaaaaallllllyyy hope the Clarence Brooks consideration is smoke and mirrors. One of our better coaches when it comes to developing Raven ability and mantra.

 

Wouldn't be opposed to the idea of giving him the reigns for DC either.

[DomMcRaven]

Jeff Zrebiec reports

Ravens OLB coach Ted Monachino and DL coach Clarence Brooks highly thought of around league. Both close with Pagano, too.

4:38 PM - 5 Jan 2016

#keepbrooksatallcosts

[Sherly_Tebow]

Report from Mike Preston says that Pees should be around for next season

[atomicfront]

You knock people for criticizing Pees because of poor personnel, then want to say that Monachino didn't have a good year because the linebackers didn't play well? The same excuse for poor performance would apply to both. 

 

I do agree that it is somewhat silly to just assume he'd be better than Pees as a DC. It is a different job and no on knows how anyone is going to do when they get promoted to the next level of coaching. It is like assuming that a great coordinator will automatically become a great HC. It simply doesn't always work out that way.  

 

I didn't knock Monachino.  I was saying that why would praise Monachino while criticizing Pees.  Linebacker play was probably the weaker than secondary and defensive line last year.  So why would you fire Pees to hire Monachino if you think the reason for firing them was because performance on the field?

[rafahash]

Dean Pees will be our DC for the next season. John confirmed it. Also, we lost Monachino to the Colts.

[ravensdfan]

Dean Pees will be our DC for the next season. John confirmed it. Also, we lost Monachino to the Colts.

Awesome. First Austin and now Monachino. All so we can keep Mr. Mediocre around for yet another nightmare season of defense.

 

Of course, I'm sure the Pees defenders will use that as their excuse when Pees sucks again next season.

[BSHU_Miami]

Sigh

[JoeyFlex5]

Defense will be dazed and confused when we have the inevitable roster turnover and nobody can pick up his completely idiotic secondary scheme, he will blow our chances before we even reach the bye, it will improve when he finally makes adjustment when his job security is at stake, and the defense will improve enough in a losing effort for the FO to use raw numbers to justify keeping him.

[ravensdfan]

Defense will be dazed and confused when we have the inevitable roster turnover and nobody can pick up his completely idiotic secondary scheme, he will blow our chances before we even reach the bye, it will improve when he finally makes adjustment when his job security is at stake, and the defense will improve enough in a losing effort for the FO to use raw numbers to justify keeping him.

Yep and then next season we'll lose Brooks to keep Mr. Mediocre around.

[ravensdfan]

I didn't knock Monachino.  I was saying that why would praise Monachino while criticizing Pees.  Linebacker play was probably the weaker than secondary and defensive line last year.  So why would you fire Pees to hire Monachino if you think the reason for firing them was because performance on the field?

Monachino has seasons of success behind him. One season does not define him. Pees, on the other hand, has seasons of mediocrity and failure behind him. This one season is just more of the same.

[Tatelli]

Sad just Sad. Guess they have not learned nothing from the Cam experiment what a joke.

[atomicfront]

Awesome. First Austin and now Monachino. All so we can keep Mr. Mediocre around for yet another nightmare season of defense.

 

Of course, I'm sure the Pees defenders will use that as their excuse when Pees sucks again next season.

 

As I said before, if the team sucks next year Harbaugh will be fired and new head coach will bring in a new defensive coordinator.  

[rafahash]

As I said before, if the team sucks next year Harbaugh will be fired and new head coach will bring in a new defensive coordinator.  

 

I don't think we'll suck next season, but even if we do, I don't believe Harbs will get fired. Even if we have another 5-11 season.

[atomicfront]

Monachino has seasons of success behind him. One season does not define him. Pees, on the other hand, has seasons of mediocrity and failure behind him. This one season is just more of the same.

Failure?? He has been to two Super Bowls as a Defensive Coordinator.  What I don't get is everyone is blasting the coach and everyone is blasting the players.  How do you expect him to have a great defense with no star players on defense?

[ravensdfan]

Failure?? He has been to two Super Bowls as a Defensive Coordinator.  What I don't get is everyone is blasting the coach and everyone is blasting the players.  How do you expect him to have a great defense with no star players on defense?

No one expected great but defense has been given all the love every season in the draft and FA. No excuse for bottom feeders.

 

Defense has not improved nor even maintained the same level of success since Pees came in. It has degraded in every area since 2012. That is the very definition of failure. And that SB you want to credit him for? His 4th quarter fail defensive philosophy nearly cost us that win .

Edited January 7, 2016 by ravensdfan

[PurpleCity5]

Well, there you have it. I'm not upset at all but I wouldn't have mind if we found a new DC. I think Steve does have a point on continuity. Winnings teams almost always keep coaches around. 

[ravensdfan]

Well, there you have it. I'm not upset at all but I wouldn't have mind if we found a new DC. I think Steve does have a point on continuity. Winnings teams almost always keep coaches around. 

Continuity of failure and mediocrity is never a good thing. Would have thought they learned that with Cam.

[PurpleCity5]

Continuity of failure and mediocrity is never a good thing. Would have thought they learned that with Cam.

I'm fine with it, at the end of the day we have to draft better on defense as well. When was the last time we drafted a CB early? I also cannot get mad at Pees too much with the injuries that we have been hit with. I think Biscotti made a great point on what the loss of Suggs did to this team. I'm just not upset, sorry.

[ravensdfan]

I'm fine with it, at the end of the day we have to draft better on defense as well. When was the last time we drafted a CB early? I also cannot get mad at Pees too much with the injuries that we have been hit with. I think Biscotti made a great point on what the loss of Suggs did to this team. I'm just not upset, sorry.

Oh please. Defense has gotten all the love in the draft and FA with the only exception being this last draft. No excuses for being bottom feeders. Suggs is one person. Trestman, fresh into a new year and running someone else's system then having to use the likes of Schaub, Clausen and Mallet did better with MORE injuries. Practically ALL his starters out. Injuries are no excuse.

[allblackraven]

Well, there you have it. I'm not upset at all but I wouldn't have mind if we found a new DC. I think Steve does have a point on continuity. Winnings teams almost always keep coaches around. 

Two of our last 3 seasons were not the winning seasons.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think it's Harbaugh who wants to keep Pees but maybe Steve. The organization as a whole likes continuity.

[JoeyFlex5]

Failure?? He has been to two Super Bowls as a Defensive Coordinator. What I don't get is everyone is blasting the coach and everyone is blasting the players. How do you expect him to have a great defense with no star players on defense?

lol have you seen his track record in the playoffs? It speaks for itself, and it is absolutely horrible. His units held the patriots back from probably 3 more rings, look into all of their playoff losses with pees, all collapses in games where they had a lead for most of the game. This is nothing new and it's no fluke

[GhostofGrbac]

Harbaugh just put himself on the hot seat by keeping Pees. This team better perform next season or they both could be looking for new jobs in 2017. 

[atomicfront]

Oh please. Defense has gotten all the love in the draft and FA with the only exception being this last draft. No excuses for being bottom feeders. Suggs is one person. Trestman, fresh into a new year and running someone else's system then having to use the likes of Schaub, Clausen and Mallet did better with MORE injuries. Practically ALL his starters out. Injuries are no excuse.

 

The team was what 25th in points scored?  I think the offense was worse than the defense.  Especially with the offense giving up picks six's thanks to Schaub.  

[atomicfront]

The team was what 25th in points scored?  I think the offense was worse than the defense.  Especially with the offense giving up picks six's thanks to Schaub.  

 

Why all the down votes?  You don't like facts to get in the way of your preconceived misguided notions?

Edited January 7, 2016 by atomicfront

[allblackraven]

Why all the down votes?  You don't like facts to get in the way of your preconceived misguided notions?

Down votes are because people don't agree with you, I guess. Offense did pretty well last season considering how many starters it lost to injuries and gave a lot of opportunities to D to stop the opposition to win the game.

[atomicfront]

Down votes are because people don't agree with you, I guess. Offense did pretty well last season considering how many starters it lost to injuries and gave a lot of opportunities to D to stop the opposition to win the game.

 

If you consider 25 in the league in points good than they did well.  I would consider top 15th or better good.  Look they did worse than defense.  The Defense didn't have many injuries but still the offense was worse.  Lets stop saying they were good when they were not.  Yardage doesn't mean much.  It is scoring.  

 

And the offense was bad before the injuries came.  In the beginning the only starter injured was Monroe.And Monroe played some.  I would say Suggs is a bigger loss than Monroe.  The team stunk this year.

 

Also you win games by scoring more than the opponent.  They didn't score much.  They had the ball just as  much as the other team.  

Edited January 7, 2016 by atomicfront

[Cillmatic]

Have we fired the DB coach? If not, why?

[bMore Heathen]

Have we fired the DB coach? If not, why?

No, because continuity is a good thing, even when the coach is terrible.