The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[K-Dog]

You all realize this is going no where, right?

This post could have been the second post in this thread.

[The Raven]

At this point I just want Dean Pees fired so ravensdfan and co. can find something new to cry about. The Pees debate has gotten boring and old.

[redrum52]

At this point I just want Dean Pees fired so ravensdfan and co. can find something new to cry about. The Pees debate has gotten boring and old.

Lmao.

[Tatelli]

112 pages...funny!!

 

So the D has a couple of decent games and now were fine with Pees. This D has been medium lvl at best with this man coaching and will continue to be just that. He is to stubborn and set on his way's, "it is not the scheme it's the players" lol ok. 

 

Another Cam topic just goes on and on until enough has been seen 5years later.

 

I myself would rather have a new D coach with new ideas instead of this lame D we call the Ravens way. Heck even a non proven coach would be better at least he would be open to changes. Oh well just another Cam go along.

[The Raven]

112 pages...funny!!

 

So the D has a couple of decent games and now were fine with Pees. This D has been medium lvl at best with this man coaching and will continue to be just that. He is to stubborn and set on his way's, "it is not the scheme it's the players" lol ok. 

 

Another Cam topic just goes on and on until enough has been seen 5years later.

 

I myself would rather have a new D coach with new ideas instead of this lame D we call the Ravens way. Heck even a non proven coach would be better at least he would be open to changes. Oh well just another Cam go along.

 

Pees was open to changes, and he made them. Do you see the way we had a wild secondary rotation after the bye to improve our pass defense? Probably not. You'd rather have an unproven guy just because he's willing to make changes? Lmao, okay. Pees is proven to be adequate, and he does make changes. So...

[terrynjulia03]

Pees was open to changes, and he made them. Do you see the way we had a wild secondary rotation after the bye to improve our pass defense? Probably not. You'd rather have an unproven guy just because he's willing to make changes? Lmao, okay. Pees is proven to be adequate, and he does make changes. So...

Proven to be adequate. Thats the key here. Were NOT the Pats or Skins or most other teams in the league. We, like the hated Steelers are built upon the D. Thats football. Ravens D is not supposed to be "adequate" . Its supposed to dominate. And hurt people. Blue collar stuff. Ray Lewis Ed Reed HalotiNgata Johnson Boulware Goose McAllister on and on. Take that 15 yd penalty to bust a WR in their mouth. THATs what we need back.

[redrum52]

Proven to be adequate. Thats the key here. Were NOT the Pats or Skins or most other teams in the league. We, like the hated Steelers are built upon the D. Thats football. Ravens D is not supposed to be "adequate" . Its supposed to dominate. And hurt people. Blue collar stuff. Ray Lewis Ed Reed HalotiNgata Johnson Boulware Goose McAllister on and on. Take that 15 yd penalty to bust a WR in their mouth. THATs what we need back.

Days of a punishing defense are almost gone. In the new league you need pass rushers because that's about the only time you can really impact a teams game. Throw the qb of their mark or get in their head. You can't touch wrs so they don't care about which route you send them on anymore. Trench play and coverage is what is relied upon, not hard hits.

Edited January 5, 2016 by redrum52

[rmcjacket23]

Proven to be adequate. Thats the key here. Were NOT the Pats or Skins or most other teams in the league. We, like the hated Steelers are built upon the D. Thats football. Ravens D is not supposed to be "adequate" . Its supposed to dominate. And hurt people. Blue collar stuff. Ray Lewis Ed Reed HalotiNgata Johnson Boulware Goose McAllister on and on. Take that 15 yd penalty to bust a WR in their mouth. THATs what we need back.

The problem is... I don't buy that level of defense leads to winning in the NFL.

 

With 100% certainty, I can tell you that Pittsburgh is the exact opposite of "being built on D" and "blue collar" in their current approach in this league, and they haven't been for several years.

 

That team is based on throwing the ball down the field, speed, and explosive plays on offense. 

 

Even the current model for defense, the Seahawks, are much, much, much different than the old Ravens and Steelers defense. Frankly, those kinds of players don't even necessarily exist anymore because of the style of the High School and College games.

 

We can say we want this all we want, but that doesn't even remotely guarantee it translates into success on the football field.

 

All I want is an improved defense, both from the scheme and especially from the personnel. I don't care about all this "smash mouth" and "blue collar" crap that a lot of people still living in the 90s want.

 

These days, getting a 15 yard penalty for hitting a WR over the middle doesn't accomplish anything. That receiver is going to keep going over the middle, and you're going to keep drawing flags, which eventually lead to TDs, which eventually leads to losses.

 

Welcome to the present day NFL.

Edited January 5, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Tatelli]

The problem is... I don't buy that level of defense leads to winning in the NFL.

 

With 100% certainty, I can tell you that Pittsburgh is the exact opposite of "being built on D" and "blue collar" in their current approach in this league, and they haven't been for several years.

 

That team is based on throwing the ball down the field, speed, and explosive plays on offense. 

 

Even the current model for defense, the Seahawks, are much, much, much different than the old Ravens and Steelers defense. Frankly, those kinds of players don't even necessarily exist anymore because of the style of the High School and College games.

 

We can say we want this all we want, but that doesn't even remotely guarantee it translates into success on the football field.

 

All I want is an improved defense, both from the scheme and especially from the personnel. I don't care about all this "smash mouth" and "blue collar" crap that a lot of people still living in the 90s want.

 

These days, getting a 15 yard penalty for hitting a WR over the middle doesn't accomplish anything. That receiver is going to keep going over the middle, and you're going to keep drawing flags, which eventually lead to TDs, which eventually leads to losses.

 

Welcome to the present day NFL.

Ok I'll buy that. But here is the kicker this O is not ready to be a total passing team and hang with the likes those teams. So to counter this I say once again this D better be better than what we have seen and not just this year.

[The Raven]

Proven to be adequate. Thats the key here. Were NOT the Pats or Skins or most other teams in the league. We, like the hated Steelers are built upon the D. Thats football. Ravens D is not supposed to be "adequate" . Its supposed to dominate. And hurt people. Blue collar stuff. Ray Lewis Ed Reed HalotiNgata Johnson Boulware Goose McAllister on and on. Take that 15 yd penalty to bust a WR in their mouth. THATs what we need back.

 

Stop living in the past and get to the present. It's all well and good to be nostalgic, but nostalgia doesn't win games. If smashmouth defense still won games, we would have done better than 5-11 this season, and that's a fact.

[Adreme]

Ok I'll buy that. But here is the kicker this O is not ready to be a total passing team and hang with the likes those teams. So to counter this I say once again this D better be better than what we have seen and not just this year.

 

I am not 100% sure on that.  Perriman got hurt and the new TE draft picks were in there first year (and in Williams case VERY young) so its hard to say how they will grow and if they will be that passing team if they are healthy.

[arnie_uk]

Stop living in the past and get to the present. It's all well and good to be nostalgic, but nostalgia doesn't win games. If smashmouth defense still won games, we would have done better than 5-11 this season, and that's a fact.

except we didn't play smash mouth football.

I agree with the premise however, it's a high scoring offense that's needed to win games, with an efficenct defense.

One that can get turnovers, stop TDs in the redzone, get sacks to set up 3rd and long and then actually stop them from converting, but we don't have that defense atm

[thieverycorporation]

Unless the coordinator offers versatility and unimaginable schemes I think Pee's should stay. The level of talent he's been dealing with begs the question. I think a healthier team and a new scheme would help us going forward. He has been inventive and caused headaches with his schemes previously so I don't think he's that bad. If theres a noticeable drop off in product,n then next year should be his last. I will say that new assistants may be in order. Those that can help in putting the players in the position to fulfill their assignments. Obviously missed assignments can not be tolerated in the revamping process. Who's out there you'd rather have? 

Edited January 5, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[atomicfront]

Whether Pees stays or goes should be Harbaughs decision.  If the team is terrible again next season Harbaugh will be fired and a new coach will pick his defensive coordinator. 

[darklight1216]

Our secondary being in shambles due to injuries isn't a a reasonable excuse? Losing Suggs and therefore our pass rush isn't a reasonable excuse? Lmao okay. The defense had playmakers? Hahaha okay. 

Last year when they had about 5 dbs on IR that was a reasonable excuse. This year they were missing Matt Elam. 

 

Suggs is a great player, but if you drop to the bottom of the league in pass D (which they did in the first half) because one guy is missing then something is seriously wrong. 

[Willbacker]

Stop living in the past and get to the present. It's all well and good to be nostalgic, but nostalgia doesn't win games. If smashmouth defense still won games, we would have done better than 5-11 this season, and that's a fact.

We don't have smash mouth defense.

 

Who's out there you'd rather have? 

Jim Schwartz.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Willbacker

[The Raven]

except we didn't play smash mouth football.

I agree with the premise however, it's a high scoring offense that's needed to win games, with an efficenct defense.

One that can get turnovers, stop TDs in the redzone, get sacks to set up 3rd and long and then actually stop them from converting, but we don't have that defense atm

 

I would argue we were built for smashmouth defense. Look at all the size in our front seven. Brandon Williams, Tim Jernigan, Carl Davis, Zadarius, Upshaw, etc... Both of our original starting safeties, Will Hill and Kendrick Lewis, were run playing safeties that were not good in coverage. We were clearly built in a smashmouth model. That doesn't mean I think we were good at it, but that's how we were built on D. Size, strength, and tackling.

 

 

Last year when they had about 5 dbs on IR that was a reasonable excuse. This year they were missing Matt Elam. 

 

Suggs is a great player, but if you drop to the bottom of the league in pass D (which they did in the first half) because one guy is missing then something is seriously wrong. 

 

Jimmy was coming back from a major injury, and Webb and Arrington both faced injuries. Try again. And yes, something was seriously wrong. We had no quality pass rushers. Blame Ozzie for that.

 

We don't have smash mouth defense.

 

Jim Schwartz.

 

See above reply to Arnie

[ellicottraven]

With the exception of Rex Ryan, or Chuck Pagano (both are currently HCs') agreeing to be DC, I would rather see Pees continue at DC. It's easy to ridicule somebody, but do you really have a better solution or would you like to fire Pees just for the heck of it?

[K-Dog]

With the exception of Rex Ryan, or Chuck Pagano (both are currently HCs') agreeing to be DC, I would rather see Pees continue at DC. It's easy to ridicule somebody, but do you really have a better solution or would you like to fire Pees just for the heck of it?

 

 

Most people here.....

[Tank 92]

Dean is not going anywhere so just chill and hope the secondary gets help, the young line and LBs continue to develop and everyone remains healthy. If that happens all will be good again in D Land!

[darklight1216]

 

Jimmy was coming back from a major injury, and Webb and Arrington both faced injuries. Try again. And yes, something was seriously wrong. We had no quality pass rushers. Blame Ozzie for that.

 

Lol, Arrington, Smith and Webb missed a grand total of two games combined. The secondary was not "in shambles" due to injury. 

 

 

The question remains as to whether Dean Pees deserves a majority of the blame for their underwhelming performance. I'm not entirely certain who to place most of the blame upon.

[The Raven]

Lol, Arrington, Smith and Webb missed a grand total of two games combined. The secondary was not "in shambles" due to injury. 

 

 

The question remains as to whether Dean Pees deserves a majority of the blame for their underwhelming performance. I'm not entirely certain who to place most of the blame upon.

 

Maybe "in shambles" was hyperbole, but these guys were clearly playing hurt due to injury. It's not even debatable that recovering from injuries, as well as nagging injuries, hurt our secondary this season.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

At this point I just want Dean Pees fired so ravensdfan and co. can find something new to cry about. The Pees debate has gotten boring and old.

NOOOO. Keep Dean Pees. We already have a fire Harbaugh thread. Next it will be Trestman, then Ozzie, then we will be clamoring for Steve to sell the team.....

 

I have my disagreements with Dean.. But it's obvious he's not 100% of the issues. Some of it is injuries. Some of it was youth. Some of it was lack of talent, and some of it was him. Would I like a more aggressive defense? Of course.. But overall. I don't see him going anywhere. I think if we add more talent we'll be fine. We need pass rushers and another corner

[GrimCoconut]

If we keep Pees then let him call the shots for his defense. Give him what he needs. If he fails, he's fired and he knows it. If he succeeds, then we have a great defense. That's the bottom-line. I don't care if we have 100 injuries at that point. You can't keep giving a guy an excuse every year. I don't think he's the root of the problems of our defense but I can't say removing him doesn't potentially solve some issues, either. Do I think Pettine could do a better job? I honestly don't know, to tell the truth. I would've liked to get Muschamp from Auburn but he became a HC so I can't say much there. 

 

Perhaps we should get a Defensive Consultant or assistant at the very least. Someone to put some pressure on Pees if he doesn't perform well or if his unit suffers still. This way you have someone on the team already in place. 

 

I know people here said it wouldn't happen, but I wouldn't even mind Tomsula despite his lack of experience. Pettine is a popular guy as well IMO. He's at the top of my list because he's done great things outside of the Browns. At times even the Browns played well on defense. I'm not sure if he's at fault there. This is the Browns we're talking about. 

[K-Dog]

I think we should fire the hotdog vendor in section 127.

He only came by once.

[jazz1988]

Well according to rotoworld.com FOX Sports' Alex Marvez reports Ravens LBs coach Ted Monachino is a "strong candidate" for the Colts' defensive-coordinator vacancy. So if The Ravens don't keep him then I think it's very telling  on how The Ravens feel about Dean Pees.

 

Monachino was the only coach I thought would be a solid candidate to replace Dean Pees if  him and The Ravens decide to go their separate ways.

Edited January 6, 2016 by jazz1988

[GrimCoconut]

Well according to rotoworld.com FOX Sports' Alex Marvez reports Ravens LBs coach Ted Monachino is a "strong candidate" for the Colts' defensive-coordinator vacancy. So if The Ravens don't keep him then I think it's very telling on how The Ravens feel about Dean Pees.

Monachino was the only coach I thought would be a solid candidate to replace Dean Pees if him and The Ravens decide to go their separate ways.

This would be a very bad move. I really hope he doesn't leave. It could be a reason why Suggs is down lately. He's really close with Ted.

[jazz1988]

This would be a very bad move. I really hope he doesn't leave. It could be a reason why Suggs is down lately. He's really close with Ted.

 

I honestly don't see why he wouldn't want to leave unless The Ravens give him a raise or make him the defensive coordinator. It would really suck to see him go because the guy a really good coach but I knew his name was going to come up sooner or later after seeing teams fired their defensive coordinators especially The Colts.

[PurpleCity5]

We need to keep Ted. Though it seems inevitable he gets his chance I really would like to keep him, I wouldn't even mind if he got his shot as DC here. 

Edited January 6, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Tru11]

I think we should fire the hotdog vendor in section 127.

He only came by once.

 

we should fire the mascot to

 

seems the players dont get hyped by him

Edited January 6, 2016 by Tru11