The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[jazz1988]

would you not get cautious when your best CB gets torched by a rookie?

 

i know i would lol.

even more when guys fall down and let wrs run free, while others leave their zone to freelance....

 

i dont really think its about him showing more respect though.

 

a point alot of people dont realise is that the raiders have a better o-line then the broncos.

they where pretty good in pass protection last season.

think even among the best.

 

the broncos on the other hand had 4 new guys starting with i think 2 being rookies and 1 guy who just got signed a week or 2 ago lol.

 

then when you factor in that agains the broncos we still had suggs but against the raiders you have to rely on smith amd upshaw then yeah it might not be much of a suprise that we got more pressure on manning.

 

Every good to great cornerback get's beat sometimes but just because your best cornerback get's beat one time  doesn't mean  you should start to play afraid..How can you pay Jimmy Smith so much money then tell him to be conservative. When Champ Bailey was getting beat constantly by Torrey Smith in the playoff in 2012 I don't remember The Bronco telling Bailey to play it safe. He continue to face Smith in man coverage and   I believe if you going to call jimmy Smith or any of your cornerbacks a shut down corner than you should give them that respect.

 

I'm not really concerned about how good their offensive line was it's just the fact that Pees did little to  gain pressure. There were no stunts, delay blitzes, and etc until probably the fourth quarter of the game. I mean they eventually got pressure on Derek Carr but it took Pees until the  fourth quarterback to either figure everything out or use it. 

[BSHU_Miami]

People forget how close we were to winning the Super Bowl with pagano. Pees just inherited that defense and they were even worse. Joe just happened to snap in that postseason and wouldn't be denied.

[cobrajet]

Why are the guys playing so far off on a 3rd and short? If that's on the players and not on Pees then Pees is not doing his job. We constantly blow leads and that's definitely a problem since Pees has taken over. Two fourteen point leads against the Pats and we still lose. Yes I know we had practice squad guys for cb, but what is the excuse this year? Webb sucks.... OK so the FO does what to fix this? Our depth at cb sucked and Webb is glass, we will definitely be in bigger trouble if Webb goes down.   

As you alluded to, it drives me crazy when our CB's line up ten yards behind the line of scrimmage and opposing QB's throw screens to WR's on the sidelines and they run for 7-8 yards. This should not happen. I don't care how bad our corners get beat, that is why we have safeties. I do hold Pees responsible for this. It killed us in the playoffs and it killed us against the Raiders. If Webb is constantly getting beat. Can we get him some help from a Safety? I just don't understand how that is on the players to make these adjustments. If we get beat, we get beat, just don't give them the easy stuff. The three man rushes have never really worked for this defense, I wish Pees would have figured that out in the first half of the Denver game. 

[ravensdfan]

they won more games then they blown and for the last 2 years they have been ranked higher then the offense.

 

without them no SB lol.

 

heck not even play offs....

 

how about you let me know how many they have blown 

The offense carried a defense ranked 18th that SB season. So just stop.

 

And no one can give you how many 4th quarter leads they've blown because there is always some excuse.

In 2013, when they blew 4th quarter leads routinely, it was they were tired,like they are kindergardners who need a nap. Even though TOP for 2013 was pretty even.

 

In 2014, it was oh the injuries!

 

And now you are trying to use an injury to ONE MAN as an excuse. If Pees cannot scheme or positionally rotate to offset the injury to ONE MAN than he has no business being a DC.

 

And they were not ranked higher than the offense that set or matched records last season.

Edited September 21, 2015 by ravensdfan

[RaineV1]

I have to agree that trying to use the great playoff run and SB championship to defend Pees is a bad idea. That defense was actually pretty bad for those games. The 49ers almost had the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history against that defense. The fact that it came down to a last second stand shows that they failed in the 2nd half. And the only way I can see the Ravens winning another one under Pees is with another offensive explosion.

[ravensdfan]

I have to agree that trying to use the great playoff run and SB championship to defend Pees is a bad idea. That defense was actually pretty bad for those games. The 49ers almost had the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history against that defense. The fact that it came down to a last second stand shows that they failed in the 2nd half. And the only way I can see the Ravens winning another one under Pees is with another offensive explosion.

Yeah people remember the great goal line stand and then believe we had this awesome defense. They forget that at one point we were up 28-6 and should have NEVER needed that goal line stand.

[ccflraven]

Harbaugh as the head coach should be able to call up to pees and tell him to play press man or tell trestman to run the ball. 

[redrum52]

I have to agree that trying to use the great playoff run and SB championship to defend Pees is a bad idea. That defense was actually pretty bad for those games. The 49ers almost had the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history against that defense. The fact that it came down to a last second stand shows that they failed in the 2nd half. And the only way I can see the Ravens winning another one under Pees is with another offensive explosion.

It can be won with Pees. That defense stepped up in the post season, regardless of what people think. Pretty sure they lead in sacka and takeaways (yes, they played the most games). You mention the SB, but they got the stop, something constantly complain about, and the offense only scored a whopping 6 points in the 2nd half.

[pmr468]

We will never have an elite defense with Pees.

[ratedr]

People are using that 2012 defense to defend Pees? LOL. That defense is fortunate that Flacco had the best postseason ever.

 

I will say this much: that defense was clutch...they produced stops at very crucial moments. But that had less to do with Pees and more to do with Ray and Ed probably, because that clutch ability left as soon as they did. 

[PurpleCity5]

Harbs was very hard on the defense today. He def. didn't like the way they played at all(And he shouldn't). I don't know what they have to fix but they better get it done because Harbs is clearly upset that the D let that one slip away.

[AsianRice]

People are using that 2012 defense to defend Pees? LOL. That defense is fortunate that Flacco had the best postseason ever.

 

I will say this much: that defense was clutch...they produced stops at very crucial moments. But that had less to do with Pees and more to do with Ray and Ed probably, because that clutch ability left as soon as they did. 

I thought everyone should know already that their presence made any coach look good; we need a coach who can manufacture play-makers, not the other way around cuz Ray and Ed tandem won't happen in any foreseeable future.....

 

Our defense have a lot of good young defensive players so all they need is the right scheme to make them excel in their own strength.  We need an aggressive defense....... 

[Tru11]

The offense carried a defense ranked 18th that SB season. So just stop.

 

And no one can give you how many 4th quarter leads they've blown because there is always some excuse.

In 2013, when they blew 4th quarter leads routinely, it was they were tired,like they are kindergardners who need a nap. Even though TOP for 2013 was pretty even.

 

In 2014, it was oh the injuries!

 

And now you are trying to use an injury to ONE MAN as an excuse. If Pees cannot scheme or positionally rotate to offset the injury to ONE MAN than he has no business being a DC.

 

And they were not ranked higher than the offense that set or matched records last season.

 

i already know you are bias and hate pees so im not even going to argue with you after this.

 

 the defense was pretty darn good in the play offs.

 

most sacks and turnovers in the play offs by a wide margin....

 

both luck and brady got pretty much shutout.

manning had a pick 6 and lets not forget the game winning int that gave us the chance to kick the gamewinning FG in OT.

2 scores by broncos where special teams as well lol.

 

SB 2 scores where a direct result of the offense fumbing in their own redzone and punting from their own endzone and giving up a huge return.

not to mention that huge GL stance by the defense.

 

BTW in 2012 the ravens where top 3 in redzone defense lol

 

also they where actually #12 in points given up

 

they gave up alot of yards but once the opponent was in the redzone they held them to FGs more often then not....

[jazz1988]

Harbaugh as the head coach should be able to call up to pees and tell him to play press man or tell trestman to run the ball. 

 

I think most head coaches just trust their coordinators to do what they want but at times they can step in and request a certain play call. You can't really expect the head coach to be heavily involved with coordinators play calling during the game and if they were then coordinators wouldn't get fired

[Tru11]

Every good to great cornerback get's beat sometimes but just because your best cornerback get's beat one time  doesn't mean  you should start to play afraid..How can you pay Jimmy Smith so much money then tell him to be conservative. When Champ Bailey was getting beat constantly by Torrey Smith in the playoff in 2012 I don't remember The Bronco telling Bailey to play it safe. He continue to face Smith in man coverage and   I believe if you going to call jimmy Smith or any of your cornerbacks a shut down corner than you should give them that respect.

 

I'm not really concerned about how good their offensive line was it's just the fact that Pees did little to  gain pressure. There were no stunts, delay blitzes, and etc until probably the fourth quarter of the game. I mean they eventually got pressure on Derek Carr but it took Pees until the  fourth quarterback to either figure everything out or use it. 

 

the only way he would have been able to create pressure is to send more guys then they could block.

 

that means to send at least 6 leaving 5 in coverage.

 

our guys had trouble covering and making tackles, heck they had trouble staying on their feet.

 

you dont see how things could have gotten even worse?

 

even Jimmy had trouble 1 on 1 and he was the best we had lol.

he was beaten really really bad.

he was not even in the position to get a hand on cooper...

 

sending 6 would have left at least 3 guys in 1 on 1 match ups.

in zone would have been even worse with all the space they would had to cover.

 

PS i think the broncos are regretting leaving bailey alone in man cov and getting torched for 2 TD lol.

it was 1 of the reasons they lost that game...

starting the 2nd half he had a safety over the top lel.

[jazz1988]

People forget how close we were to winning the Super Bowl with pagano. Pees just inherited that defense and they were even worse. Joe just happened to snap in that postseason and wouldn't be denied.

 

The defense performance indeed improved later on in the season it didn't stay really bad once Suggs returned .. Honestly if it wasn't for that mutiny and Harbaugh wiliness to listen to his players complaints  it might not have been any changes made. When Dean Pees became the defensive coordinator The Ravens dealt with alot issues on defense from Suggs being out, their starting defensive tackle at the time Terrence Cody wasn't healthy for most of the season and was playing bad, They lost Ladarius Webb, there was no past rush early on in the season, players had a hard time stopping the run , and even Ngata wasn't 100 percent healthy either.

 

 

In 2013 that was probably  the only season where Pees actually had most of his player healthy but that also was the year where the players and coaches had to deal with a new era without Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. In 2014  our secondary just was flat out terrible  but  we still made to the playoffs and nearly beat The Patriots if only the players in the secondary were better tacklers and etc

[jdynamite]

I'll just throw this out there for irony. But I don't think the rest of league are impressed with Pees either otherwise he would have been cherry picked to be a Head Coach like so many of the his predecessors lol. I mean Pagano got snatched up after 1 year lol.

What's funny about this thread, is that it was created after the Denver game when the defense was lights out lol. I mean that game actually felt like an old Colts vs Ravens game where I just felt that Peyton Manning would get that 1 signature touchdown to seal the game. It didn't play out the normal way but that was a great defensive performance, with blitzes, etc. I'm not sure what the OP wanted then, now had this been started after the Raider game well it would make a little more sense.

[Maryland]

Pees actually had a creative defense in Week 1. Designed some good blitzes.

 

Didn't do anything creative week 2. Just rushed 3 or 4 and dropped the rest into zone most of the time. 

 

I wonder if he was concentrating on week 1 and then looking ahead to week 3 (big divisional home-opener). I guess we'll find out Sunday. 

Edited September 22, 2015 by Maryland

[RaineV1]

I'll just throw this out there for irony. But I don't think the rest of league are impressed with Pees either otherwise he would have been cherry picked to be a Head Coach like so many of the his predecessors lol. I mean Pagano got snatched up after 1 year lol.

What's funny about this thread, is that it was created after the Denver game when the defense was lights out lol. I mean that game actually felt like an old Colts vs Ravens game where I just felt that Peyton Manning would get that 1 signature touchdown to seal the game. It didn't play out the normal way but that was a great defensive performance, with blitzes, etc. I'm not sure what the OP wanted then, now had this been started after the Raider game well it would make a little more sense.

Even though I dislike Pees, the real reason he doesn't even get interviewed for HC jobs is due to his age. No one wants an old head coach unless he already has a proven track record of success.

[ravensdfan]

Even though I dislike Pees, the real reason he doesn't even get interviewed for HC jobs is due to his age. No one wants an old head coach unless he already has a proven track record of success.

He was sitting on the shelf as a DC as well when we hired him.

[ravensdfan]

i already know you are bias and hate pees so im not even going to argue with you after this.

 

 the defense was pretty darn good in the play offs.

 

most sacks and turnovers in the play offs by a wide margin....

 

both luck and brady got pretty much shutout.

manning had a pick 6 and lets not forget the game winning int that gave us the chance to kick the gamewinning FG in OT.

2 scores by broncos where special teams as well lol.

 

SB 2 scores where a direct result of the offense fumbing in their own redzone and punting from their own endzone and giving up a huge return.

not to mention that huge GL stance by the defense.

 

BTW in 2012 the ravens where top 3 in redzone defense lol

 

also they where actually #12 in points given up

 

they gave up alot of yards but once the opponent was in the redzone they held them to FGs more often then not....

Actually YOU are the one with the bias. I said what a great job Pees did last week while you can't even admit what a horrible job he did this week.

 

If you notice you got more than one response telling you that you how wrong you are about 2012.  Feel free to respond to them because you always do that when you wrong: I'm done after this thing.

 

The offense gave them a 28-6 lead and scored 34 pts. So basically you are agreeing with me that they need to routinely drop 40 or better to expect wins with a Pees led defense. Which is the only reason he was successful in NE because that is what that offense did.

Edited September 22, 2015 by ravensdfan

[darklight1216]

Please address the subject of the thread rather than each other.

[Tank 92]

If our players were executing their responsibilities and tackling there would be no need for this thread.

[The Raven]

I will never criticize a defensive coordinator who has a defensive line that gets bullied and beaten and broken the way ours did. That was the absolute worst dline play I've seen from the Ravens in a long time. This game is won in the trenches. If you can't win up front, you can't win on the back end.

[jar2260]

He needs to realize that he does not have the talent in defensive backs, and apply more pressure from the line and line backers, needs more aggressive using more blitz's. Keep the offense off balance!!!

[Tru11]

Actually YOU are the one with the bias. I said what a great job Pees did last week while you can't even admit what a horrible job he did this week.

 

If you notice you got more than one response telling you that you how wrong you are about 2012.  Feel free to respond to them because you always do that when you wrong: I'm done after this thing.

 

The offense gave them a 28-6 lead and scored 34 pts. So basically you are agreeing with me that they need to routinely drop 40 or better to expect wins with a Pees led defense. Which is the only reason he was successful in NE because that is what that offense did.

 

Bias?

 

im probably the only 1 who doesent jump on and off the bandwagon every week like most of you.

 

i never argued pees did a good job or great job last week nor the week before that.

 

im arguing that he aint a bad DC like people like you are trying to make it seem.

 

its not my fault most of you dont understand coverages/schemes and players responsibilities when a play is called.

 

i dont like pees bend but dont break scheme but that does not mean i find him a bad DC.

he is at this point an above avg to good DC.

 

you guys are blaiming him for Jimmy getting beat or , webb falling down and letting crabtree score or the ILB not staying in their zone on the final TD lol.

 

those where good play calls but players mistakes let to those TDs.

 

you simply cant blame a DC for that.

he could not know Jimmy would get beat so easily , or that webb would fall down or the ILB not being where they where told to be.

 

if you want to blame him for anything then its for having faith in jernigan, upshaw and smith to provide a pass rush and not activating babin.

[redrum52]

Actually YOU are the one with the bias. I said what a great job Pees did last week while you can't even admit what a horrible job he did this week.

If you notice you got more than one response telling you that you how wrong you are about 2012. Feel free to respond to them because you always do that when you wrong: I'm done after this thing.

The offense gave them a 28-6 lead and scored 34 pts. So basically you are agreeing with me that they need to routinely drop 40 or better to expect wins with a Pees led defense. Which is the only reason he was successful in NE because that is what that offense did.

The offense scored 27 points that game. Jacoby had a return. ST, off and Def fell apart after the blackout that game. The off only out up 2 fgs throughout the 2nd half.

[Ravens2343]

He needs to realize that he does not have the talent in defensive backs, and apply more pressure from the line and line backers, needs more aggressive using more blitz's. Keep the offense off balance!!!

 

I agree with you.  He needs to bring more pressure from everywhere possible.  The gameplan he had against Denver worked great, those same concepts and blitzes could work for almost every team.  If we allow Green and Eifert room to run free off the line every play this week while dropping 7-8 guys into coverage, the same results are going to happen like in Oakland.  Hopefully Babin can come in and create pressure with his relentless style of play and motivate some of these guys.

[DenverRaven]

If our players were executing their responsibilities and tackling there would be no need for this thread.

 

While this is true, we've seen the same exact play-calling for four seasons now. He is extremely vanilla, and his 1-2 brilliant games per season does not outweigh the obvious problems we see with his scheme. That's what bothers me the most, that I can sit there and watch the D be out of place, barely get any pressure, and play 10 yards off the recievers. Everyone sees it, and that's a big problem.

[berad]

The offense scored 27 points that game. Jacoby had a return. ST, off and Def fell apart after the blackout that game. The off only out up 2 fgs throughout the 2nd half.

 

34 points is 34 points. Who cares who scored? The defense just had to keep them under that. They held on... but it was closer than anyone would have liked.