The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[Tru11]

The year we did have talent the offense sucked and disn't do anything to help them.

Most will agree with what you're saying, but when people are here complaining about his lack of blitzing, when's he's constantly sending pressure, it makes no sense. There's no problem with being critical, if actually have a valid point.

 

meh i think people have some really unrealistic expectations and totally are over evaluating talent.

 

last season we where almost top 5 in points given and 8th in yards given up and we did that with a mash unit at CB.

elam was our best option at nickle  corner lol

 

to expect that defense to be top 3 is downright hilarious....

 

its on the same level as people expecting flacco to throw  for 4500 yards and 30+ TD just because he signed a record setting deal. 

 

i dont think we really are that talented on defense like many want us to believe.

[redrum52]

Wait. Isn't that the year the offense was decimated with injuries? The year we brought in old and slow Dallas Clark and Stokley? And our other TE was dropsie Dickson? The year Torrey was our only real target? The year Castillo came in and complicated the O line and they were horrible? See, this is what I mean by your double standard. Every excuse for the defense even so far as blaming the offense the "one year he had talent" when the offense had your #1 Pees excuse of injuries.

You really need to read and stop twisting what people are complaining about just because one person said about blitzing and he's suddenly done it a couple games.

The complaint is not about a lack of blitzing. Complaints are about timing of blitzes (sending 3 on 3rd and long, constantly) and a lack of creativity. Four yr olds the world over can see a Pees blitz coming. The opposing team just adjusts.

The complaint is not so much a lack of man coverage (he's been using off man) it is a lack of press man. And no one that I've seen has said "we need to blitz every down" or "we need to play press every down!" the way you guys like to twist it around and claim. Right now, you're correct in the lack of personnel needed to play press, but that hasn't always been the case.

Furthermore none of that, and not one of you Pees defenders, has addressed the 4th quarter melt down trend (54% of our losses when we held the lead or tied) that has existed just since Pees took over. The players have changed, the position coaches have changed, but that glaring statistic remains. He owns that.

Not worth the time giving a serious response seeing as everytime ones given you complain about said response. Whatever.

meh i think people have some really unrealistic expectations and totally are over evaluating talent.

last season we where almost top 5 in points given and 8th in yards given up and we did that with a mash unit at CB.

elam was our best option at nickle corner lol

to expect that defense to be top 3 is downright hilarious....

its on the same level as people expecting flacco to throw for 4500 yards and 30+ TD just because he signed a record setting deal.

i dont think we really are that talented on defense like many want us to believe.

More power to you. I'm done with the back and forth a with people with blatant bias towards one side. How can some one attribute all the losses to one side cause they have the ball, but not consider it a loss if the other side does and don't put up points?

[Tru11]

Not worth the time giving a serious response seeing as everytime ones given you complain about said response. Whatever.

More power to you. I'm done with the back and forth a with people with blatant bias towards one side. How can some one attribute all the losses to one side cause they have the ball, but not consider it a loss if the other side does and don't put up points?

 

yeah im kinda in the same boat as you.

its really pointless to argue with some  cause certain games they only count the last drive, other games they count only the 4th quarter and 1 certain game they count the entire game...

 

its pretty interesting however to see how the criteria keeps changing till it fits their argument.

 

you know its really not that hard to look back at our last 13 losses and find 9 games where you can make a compelling argument on how the offense is to blame as well.

 

but like i said im not sure what argument to use since they hold different criterias every time 

[GrimCoconut]

Meh.

unless we find a better or at least equal caliber player i prefer having him around.

will just depend on his cap number and if he is willing to restructure or take another cut.

the drop off from webb to who we have is pretty huge.

and yes part of the communications issues is certainly having to use are different line up pretty much every game.

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I've just washed my hands of him because it's hard to rely on him. Granted, he doesn't appear to have missed that many games, surprisingly, after I looked into it. I think he played in 11 games last year and played in every game in 2013, but he did miss 11 games in 2012 but played a lot if not every game in 2011 when we gave him his deal.

I just think Webb is trending down rather than up and I can't stand how it's hard to depend on him. On top of it, Webb came into camp arguably out of shape and was injured last training camp.

[redrum52]

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I've just washed my hands of him because it's hard to rely on him. Granted, he doesn't appear to have missed that many games, surprisingly, after I looked into it. I think he played in 11 games last year and played in every game in 2013, but he did miss 11 games in 2012 but played a lot if not every game in 2011 when we gave him his deal.

I just think Webb is trending down rather than up and I can't stand how it's hard to depend on him. On top of it, Webb came into camp arguably out of shape and was injured last training camp.

Webb should be gone.  Can't be relied upon to stay healthy and though he might be playing "alright," I still don't think he's worth keeping.

[Tru11]

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I've just washed my hands of him because it's hard to rely on him. Granted, he doesn't appear to have missed that many games, surprisingly, after I looked into it. I think he played in 11 games last year and played in every game in 2013, but he did miss 11 games in 2012 but played a lot if not every game in 2011 when we gave him his deal.

I just think Webb is trending down rather than up and I can't stand how it's hard to depend on him. On top of it, Webb came into camp arguably out of shape and was injured last training camp.

 

nah you are right.

 

i just dont like what he have to replace him at the moment.

 

after FA and draft id probably feel the same.

[allblackraven]

Ed Reed open to talk coaching at The U:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000566224/article/ed-reed-says-hed-listen-if-miami-called-about-coaching-job

 

Perhaps he'd listen if the Ravens called as well?

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Ed Reed open to talk coaching at The U:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000566224/article/ed-reed-says-hed-listen-if-miami-called-about-coaching-job

 

Perhaps he'd listen if the Ravens called as well?

I don't understand why the don't let Reed coach for us. It's just another thing that puts me off to this organization.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Please let this be Dean Pees last game

[jazz1988]

I don't understand why the don't let Reed coach for us. It's just another thing that puts me off to this organization.

 

Maybe he did and he just turn them down or isn't ready to coach for The Ravens. Ed Reed may just want to start some where else

[Tru11]

Maybe he did and he just turn them down or isn't ready to coach for The Ravens. Ed Reed may just want to start some where else

 

we could use someone to coach up the secondary though.

 

as assistant it would be great for him to walk those guys through some films and point stuff out.

 

could teach the safeties some better technique and such.

[allblackraven]

we could use someone to coach up the secondary though.

 

as assistant it would be great for him to walk those guys through some films and point stuff out.

 

could teach the safeties some better technique and such.

Definitely. Football is football and Ed certainly knows how it's played at the back.

[DomMcRaven]

If we get blown out tonight this HAS to be Pees' last game.

Should be if our defense plays like garbage yet again regardless of what our offense does. 

[Tru11]

If we get blown out tonight this HAS to be Pees' last game.

 

if they play lights out should he get an extension?

[Cillmatic]

if they play lights out should he get an extension?

No, is his contract up after this season?

[Dr. Kelley]

No, is his contract up after this season?

If he gets an extension I will laugh

[JO_75]

Once again, defense gives up a TD that is costly. Instead of needing 8 points, the score could have been 18-20, and all we needed was Tucker to kick the game winner 21-20. That has been the story of our year and the defense. 

 

Look at the Lions making changes. Look at what a coaching change did for the Dolphins, we gotta do something to salvage our season. 1-6 to 10-6 is going to be near impossible but a coaching change will at least show whether it was Pees or if it truly was the players not executing. 

[ravensdfan]

Once again, defense gives up a TD that is costly. Instead of needing 8 points, the score could have been 18-20, and all we needed was Tucker to kick the game winner 21-20. That has been the story of our year and the defense. 

 

Look at the Lions making changes. Look at what a coaching change did for the Dolphins, we gotta do something to salvage our season. 1-6 to 10-6 is going to be near impossible but a coaching change will at least show whether it was Pees or if it truly was the players not executing. 

In all fairness, the refs pretty much handed Cardinals 10 pts. I can't be mad at the defense. They came and they played. Gave up some big plays here and there but got some key stops.

 

The offense came and played as well. Except for maybe the O line. But honestly, our 2 min drill is just dismal and that is what cost us at least going into OT.

[allblackraven]

Once again, defense gives up a TD that is costly. Instead of needing 8 points, the score could have been 18-20, and all we needed was Tucker to kick the game winner 21-20. That has been the story of our year and the defense. 

 

Look at the Lions making changes. Look at what a coaching change did for the Dolphins, we gotta do something to salvage our season. 1-6 to 10-6 is going to be near impossible but a coaching change will at least show whether it was Pees or if it truly was the players not executing. 

I am far from happy with our D but this was a good effort tonight. I've seen some fight in our guys and they gave but also made few plays. We got done by refs this time.

[usmccharles]

Once again, defense gives up a TD that is costly. Instead of needing 8 points, the score could have been 18-20, and all we needed was Tucker to kick the game winner 21-20. That has been the story of our year and the defense. 

 

Look at the Lions making changes. Look at what a coaching change did for the Dolphins, we gotta do something to salvage our season. 1-6 to 10-6 is going to be near impossible but a coaching change will at least show whether it was Pees or if it truly was the players not executing. 

I really dont think the Lions should be used as an example of how to do business.  Yea, they made some changes, but most teams that have continous struggles year in and year out tend to overreact.  Not saying we dont need changes.  I actually think something happens during the bye week

[JO_75]

In all fairness, the refs pretty much handed Cardinals 10 pts. I can't be mad at the defense. They came and they played. Gave up some big plays here and there but got some key stops.

 

The offense came and played as well. Except for maybe the O line. But honestly, our 2 min drill is just dismal and that is what cost us at least going into OT.

 

 

I am far from happy with our D but this was a good effort tonight. I've seen some fight in our guys and they gave but also made few plays. We got done by refs this time.

 

Despite the Cardinals 12th man on the field, we still drove down the field with a chance to tie the game and go to OT. So yeah they were some questionable calls but we overcame it and still had a shot to take it to OT, that's all we can ask for. 

 

So does anyone here actually think Pees gets fired or is he here for the game against SD?

[52liveforever]

we could use someone to coach up the secondary though.

 

as assistant it would be great for him to walk those guys through some films and point stuff out.

 

could teach the safeties some better technique and such.

 

Right now he is trying to get his name in the mix for a coaching gig at the U.

[52liveforever]

Despite the Cardinals 12th man on the field, we still drove down the field with a chance to tie the game and go to OT. So yeah they were some questionable calls but we overcame it and still had a shot to take it to OT, that's all we can ask for. 

 

So does anyone here actually think Pees gets fired or is he here for the game against SD?

 

I don't think they fire him until after the season. I like Brooks, but I'm not sold on him being a DC. I think they wait and cut him after the season and see what becomes available. The only reason cutting Cam made sense was because Caldwell was already a proven offensive play caller.

[52liveforever]

Once again, defense gives up a TD that is costly. Instead of needing 8 points, the score could have been 18-20, and all we needed was Tucker to kick the game winner 21-20. That has been the story of our year and the defense. 

 

Look at the Lions making changes. Look at what a coaching change did for the Dolphins, we gotta do something to salvage our season. 1-6 to 10-6 is going to be near impossible but a coaching change will at least show whether it was Pees or if it truly was the players not executing. 

 

So who would we get at this point that could turn our season around in a week? I think it'd be a better idea to wait and see what happens at the end of the season and see what coaches become available.

 

Our options are just way better after the season. Between HC's getting fired and college DC's looking to make the jump to the big leagues.

[flynismo]

As a up and coming Pees-hater, I thought he called an outstanding game last night.

I understand we went up against a supremely talented offense and all, but we just didn't play well enough, and made too many mistakes.

Pees did a good job, and we FINALLY showed some heart on defense. We just weren't good enough. The refs did us no favors either

[Ravens2343]

As a up and coming Pees-hater, I thought he called an outstanding game last night.

I understand we went up against a supremely talented offense and all, but we just didn't play well enough, and made too many mistakes.

Pees did a good job, and we FINALLY showed some heart on defense. We just weren't good enough. The refs did us no favors either

 

 

Which is the problem I have because Pees should be let go at some point, whether during the bye week or in the offseason but with games like last night Harbaugh will consider keeping him.  The defense played quite well considering who we had in there, Ross fumbling that punt put them in a terrible spot.  We were actually pretty good at stopping them on 3rd down, especially in the first half.  I am still in favor of getting rid of Pees though

[PurpleCity5]

I still want Pees gone. I don't think its really his fault, I just think we need to, and will make some drastic changes.

I wasn't impressed by the defense against Arizona. Poor communication, played too soft, Arizona was comfortable, Doom was pretty much the only guy to pressure Palmer, and didn't even get one turnover. You didn't play well at all if you can't force turnovers. I just wasn't impressed but I think Pees did the best he could.

[berad]

Pees did call a decent game yesterday but there were so lapses that the Cardinals exposed. Even Jon Gruden knew we'd bring blitzers every time they went to a no-back set. Palmer knew it, too, and hurt us with some quick passes.

 

The referees hurt our defense inexplicably. Will Hill played an outstanding game and our LBs were making plays.

[flynismo]

Pees did call a decent game yesterday but there were so lapses that the Cardinals exposed. Even Jon Gruden knew we'd bring blitzers every time they went to a no-back set. Palmer knew it, too, and hurt us with some quick passes.

 

The referees hurt our defense inexplicably. Will Hill played an outstanding game and our LBs were making plays.

Definitely...it was not a masterpiece, but I thought he did a very good job trying to call a game that was within the limits of our guys, if that makes sense

[GrimCoconut]

Pees wasn't the problem last night.