The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[Militant X 1]

he probably is eating cupcakes. If I can recall pitiful pees moved up to the booth when our defense was struggling (seems familiar) to get a "better view" of the field. They preformed better the next week so he stayed. Maybe he should just FaceTime them from his house, and see if that works.

 

I know all about that "getting a better view" of the field reasoning for being in the booth.  Maybe he should just Skype the defense.

[52520Andrew]

We made this San Francisco offense look good. Arizona is gonna be ugly

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

We made this San Francisco offense look good. Arizona is gonna be ugly

We make EVERY offense look good.....just find a hole in the swiss cheese zone defense, sit and wait....if they are really lucky, our DB will fall down, run into our own guy, our whiff on a tackle so their guys can max their fantasy points

[PurpleCity5]

We made this San Francisco offense look good. Arizona is gonna be ugly

Not to mention we have Trawick as our starting free safety. Hilarious.

I'd love to see him make me eat my words.

[Raven_Lunatic]

Hmm...nobody brought this up yet, but maybe Pees knows he sucks so he is the one responsible for all our injuries so when the team sucks he can blame it on the players. This guy may well be a criminal super genius. Yes, this would explain why our injuries have increased since he took over.

He clearly sabotaged Ray Lewis' career to get rid of him. His evil ways may be the real reason our OL and run game sucked in 2013'. Maybe Corey Graham knew this and left because he didn't want to be next.

I'm starting to think maybe he punched Ray Rice's wife and we covered it up.

 

It's his 4th season and we are yet to figure out Pees is Bellichick's deep cover man in Baltimore.

All these conspiracy theories going around...heh

Here's the real tip!

D Pees is actually purposefully putting these guys in the wrong positions. But it's for a good cause really! Look at it this way, if we stink it up this season, maybe we can keep an OC for more than one year!

Go RAVENS!

[OldToby]

NFL.com just posted an article on a cornerback technique that is used by Some of NFL's most talented corners. The CB plays 8-10 yards off the WR and watches the QB dropback as he keeps an eye on his WR, and makes a decision based on how many steps the QB takes. This Technique helps to neutralize the short passing game and gives the CB a better chance of intercepting passes. I think pees teaches this technique, as a lot of people on here (Including myself) have questioned the cornerbacks playing 5+ yards off the reciever. I'll have to admit i was wrong, players just arent excuting the plays. Heres the link if anyones interested in giving the article a look: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000562963/article/aqib-talib-among-dbs-using-potent-technique-to-generate-picks

Edited October 23, 2015 by OldToby

[The Raven]

Uh, 3-4 ILB's certainly do it more often than not... >.>

 

I mean, that's why Mosley went so high and was considered a top 5 talent...

 

Common sense isn't very common here.

 

NFL.com just posted an article on a cornerback technique that is used by Some of NFL's most talented corners. The CB plays 8-10 yards off the WR and watches the QB dropback as he keeps an eye on his WR, and makes a decision based on how many steps the QB takes. This Technique helps to neutralize the short passing game and gives the CB a better chance of intercepting passes. I think pees teaches this technique, as a lot of people on here (Including myself) have questioned the cornerbacks playing 5+ yards off the reciever. I'll have to admit i was wrong, players just arent excuting the plays. Heres the link if anyones interested in giving the article a look: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000562963/article/aqib-talib-among-dbs-using-potent-technique-to-generate-picks

 

Thanks for sharing that. Most people here are oblivious of that. It's really a good technique.

[PurpleCity5]

I think when you look at a team that is 1-5, you obviously look at the players, but also evaluate whats within the organization.

Did the Front Office assemble the best 53-Man roster they could assemble? Is the Head Coach doing his job? Are the positional coaches doing their job?

An NFL team is like a human body, the players are the heart, the coaches are the brain, and the Front Office is the stomach, or whatever.... but anyways, if they're not working in harmony and doing their part, then you won't have a good team. Look at the Packers, great coaches, players and front office. It works for them, thats why they're consistently good every year. All three phases are always working. We need to get back to that.

Point is, its easy to blame the players, but someone within isn't doing their job. I don't know who it is, but its got to get straightened out.

[BmoreBird22]

Common sense isn't very common here.

 

 

Thanks for sharing that. Most people here are oblivious of that. It's really a good technique.

Pees doesn't teach it, Hewitt does, but yes, people need to understand corners play off man coverage because it allows more opportunities for turnovers. One of the most opportunistic corners in recent NFL history was Asanta Samuel. What did he play? Off man. Richard Sherman had a ton of turnovers in his first few years and he was playing in a cover three zone. 

 

Edit: I thought Aqib Talib played quite a bit of off man because he's excellent at reading and baiting quarterbacks, but I wasn't totally sure because of his size, but it goes to show you, even big corners play off.

People here don't seem to understand that press man isn't the only coverage that exists or works.

Edited October 23, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[The Raven]

Pees doesn't teach it, Hewitt does, but yes, people need to understand corners play off man coverage because it allows more opportunities for turnovers. One of the most opportunistic corners in recent NFL history was Asanta Samuel. What did he play? Off man. Richard Sherman had a ton of turnovers in his first few years and he was playing in a cover three zone. 

 

Edit: I thought Aqib Talib played quite a bit of off man because he's excellent at reading and baiting quarterbacks, but I wasn't totally sure because of his size, but it goes to show you, even big corners play off.

People here don't seem to understand that press man isn't the only coverage that exists or works.

 

Yeah. Pees's defense is built around the idea that zone blitzes and an effective four man rush will generate turnovers. He's not entirely wrong, and this defense would be hella effective if we had 2010 Webb and some healthy off man/zone corners. A healthy Will Davis was making this defense look better. 

[DomMcRaven]

NFL.com just posted an article on a cornerback technique that is used by Some of NFL's most talented corners. The CB plays 8-10 yards off the WR and watches the QB dropback as he keeps an eye on his WR, and makes a decision based on how many steps the QB takes. This Technique helps to neutralize the short passing game and gives the CB a better chance of intercepting passes. I think pees teaches this technique, as a lot of people on here (Including myself) have questioned the cornerbacks playing 5+ yards off the reciever. I'll have to admit i was wrong, players just arent excuting the plays. Heres the link if anyones interested in giving the article a look: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000562963/article/aqib-talib-among-dbs-using-potent-technique-to-generate-picks

I'll confess. I do this when I play CB for my flag football team. It works like a charm for the most part.

[ravensdfan]

Common sense isn't very common here.

 

 

Thanks for sharing that. Most people here are oblivious of that. It's really a good technique.

But wait! Pees doesn't make that decision we've been told ad nauseum. Which is it?

 

The roundabout is really old.

 

Last year injury excuse.

Offseason, wait, you'll see how much better it will be.

Week One, so what do you think of Pees now huh?

Week Two, it's the players. They didn't execute. But only ONE player was missing. And it wasn't the players Week One but Pees.

Then it was, the offense needs to wake up sooner and give them a lead. Then they can do their thing. Offense gives them a lead vs Browns and they still fail.

Pees DOESN'T make the decisions as to how far off they play, but an article comes out about a technique and now he does.

 

Please spare me.

Edited October 23, 2015 by ravensdfan

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah. Pees's defense is built around the idea that zone blitzes and an effective four man rush will generate turnovers. He's not entirely wrong, and this defense would be hella effective if we had 2010 Webb and some healthy off man/zone corners. A healthy Will Davis was making this defense look better. 

A healthy Jimmy will be a wonderful experience for this defense.

 

Honestly, I don't even think Pees cares if his players play press or off man. I think Pees just wants his players to play comfortably to their strengths. I know he was extremely happy with Jimmy last year and he played almost exclusively in press man. 

 

And I don't even think it's unreasonable to assume that a four man rush with this front seven, when healthy, will generate pressure. Suggs-Davis-Jernigan-Dumervil on paper just looks dirty, but losing Suggs obviously did a number and shifts a lot of attention around. 

The disappointing thing with Webb is he was actually having a solid season. That guy just cannot stay healthy for the life of him. That contract wouldn't be so bad if he weren't an injury magnet.

 

Oh, and don't worry about the above comment. Remember, common sense isn't so common.

[Militant X 1]

A healthy Jimmy will be a wonderful experience for this defense.

 

Honestly, I don't even think Pees cares if his players play press or off man. I think Pees just wants his players to play comfortably to their strengths. I know he was extremely happy with Jimmy last year and he played almost exclusively in press man. 

 

And I don't even think it's unreasonable to assume that a four man rush with this front seven, when healthy, will generate pressure. Suggs-Davis-Jernigan-Dumervil on paper just looks dirty, but losing Suggs obviously did a number and shifts a lot of attention around. 

The disappointing thing with Webb is he was actually having a solid season. That guy just cannot stay healthy for the life of him. That contract wouldn't be so bad if he weren't an injury magnet.

 

Oh, and don't worry about the above comment. Remember, common sense isn't so common.

 

I've been really disappointed with Webb's gameplay though.

[GrimCoconut]

You know what? I haven't thought about this in this way until now, but maybe the true problem with our defense is that Webb is always hurt. You can't build chemistry on the back end and guys lack communication. As a result, you have a swing of guys coming in to replace Webb and this could throw off chemistry.

It doesn't excuse some very questionable calls, match-ups, and bad player execution, but it does explain our poor communication. When our secondary played well, our starting CB and safeties played together a lot and were constantly on the field. At least two of our starting 3 CB were always on the field together.

Edited October 23, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[atomicfront]

   

 

seems to be some pretty good ranking he had there in NE but the anti pees crew will no doubt find a way to discredit it lmao

 

 

Here is why they won't fire Pees during the season. If they fire Pees now and the defense actually gets worse than Harbaugh or Ozzie or both will be fired after the season.  Fire Pees after the season they can blame it all on Pees and they get another year to right the ship.  

[Tru11]

Here is why they won't fire Pees during the season. If they fire Pees now and the defense actually gets worse than Harbaugh or Ozzie or both will be fired after the season.  Fire Pees after the season they can blame it all on Pees and they get another year to right the ship.  

 

both have build enough credit to not get fired.

 

also there is no reason to fire him now cause the interim coach would be dealing with the same stuff pees is dealing now.

 

once they season is over they will evaluate how much blame will fall where and if Pees should be fired.

 

given what he did last season and actually the 2 seasons before he might have more credit then most would like to think though.....

[AsianRice]

It's been so long that I feel this year season is so damn long; I wish it could end now so we can focus on who to keep and who to kick.....especially all eyes on Pees re-evaluation.....

Edited October 23, 2015 by AsianRice

[Tru11]

NFL.com just posted an article on a cornerback technique that is used by Some of NFL's most talented corners. The CB plays 8-10 yards off the WR and watches the QB dropback as he keeps an eye on his WR, and makes a decision based on how many steps the QB takes. This Technique helps to neutralize the short passing game and gives the CB a better chance of intercepting passes. I think pees teaches this technique, as a lot of people on here (Including myself) have questioned the cornerbacks playing 5+ yards off the reciever. I'll have to admit i was wrong, players just arent excuting the plays. Heres the link if anyones interested in giving the article a look: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000562963/article/aqib-talib-among-dbs-using-potent-technique-to-generate-picks

 

i dont think most understand that whatever players do its all a form of technique.

 

good link .

 

also applaud you for admitting you where wrong.

 

majority wont lol.

 

guess at least 50 pages of this thread can go in the garbage bin since they all about complaining about this technique 

[GrimCoconut]

i dont think most understand that whatever players do its all a form of technique.

good link .

also applaud you for admitting you where wrong.

majority wont lol.

guess at least 50 pages of this thread can go in the garbage bin since they all about complaining about this technique

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not a big fan of off man coverage, but it obviously does have its use. I just don't want to see it as much as we have. I personally prefer press bail, but that's just me. I could be biased. I'll admit that.

[Tank 92]

You know what? I haven't thought about this in this way until now, but maybe the true problem with our defense is that Webb is always hurt. You can't build chemistry on the back end and guys lack communication. As a result, you have a swing of guys coming in to replace Webb and this could throw off chemistry.

It doesn't excuse some very questionable calls, match-ups, and bad player execution, but it does explain our poor communication. When our secondary played well, our starting CB and safeties played together a lot and were constantly on the field. At least two of our starting 3 CB were always on the field together.

 

Huge issue last year and this. The better pass defenses have pieces that have played together for at least a couple of years and they understand what each other will do in different situations.  Seems like the Ravens haven't been able to keep even 3 or 4 of the same guys on the field for more than a couple of games which has made it impossible to develop chemistry.

[Tru11]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not a big fan of off man coverage, but it obviously does have its use. I just don't want to see it as much as we have. I personally prefer press bail, but that's just me. I could be biased. I'll admit that.

 

other then jimmy we dont really have the players to play press.

 

and even he is not using it since he aint back to his old self.

 

at this point players should pick the technique they feel they have the best chance to get the job done.

 

also we dont really have the safeties to have the CBs play press.

 

you need safeties with very good range to make up if press fails.

 

not to mention motion and bunch formations make press useless lol

Edited October 23, 2015 by Tru11

[AsianRice]

NFL.com just posted an article on a cornerback technique that is used by Some of NFL's most talented corners. The CB plays 8-10 yards off the WR and watches the QB dropback as he keeps an eye on his WR, and makes a decision based on how many steps the QB takes. This Technique helps to neutralize the short passing game and gives the CB a better chance of intercepting passes. I think pees teaches this technique, as a lot of people on here (Including myself) have questioned the cornerbacks playing 5+ yards off the reciever. I'll have to admit i was wrong, players just arent excuting the plays. Heres the link if anyones interested in giving the article a look: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000562963/article/aqib-talib-among-dbs-using-potent-technique-to-generate-picks

well, it doesn't work so do something else it works....

 

Best thing is to change DC so new DC can instill other techniques that actually work....

[GrimCoconut]

other then jimmy we dont really have the players to play press.

and even he is not using it since he aint back to his old self.

at this point players should pick the technique they feel they have the best chance to get the job done.

also we dont really have the safeties to have the CBs play press.

you need safeties with very good range to make up if press fails.

not to mention motion and bunch formations make press useless lol

Well, to be fair, press bail isn't truly press coverage, hence the name bail. You can continue to press, but the bail option means you are disguising your real intention.

[Tru11]

Well, to be fair, press bail isn't truly press coverage, hence the name bail. You can continue to press, but the bail option means you are disguising your real intention.

 

press and bail are 2 different techniques.

 

you cant really use those 2 at the same time.

 

press you are sqaured up facing the WR  before the snap and force him to the outside using your hands after the snap.

 

bail you position yourself facing the inside of the formation before the snap and then just kind of freestyle depending on what you see. 

with free style i mean you turn around and run or you follow the wr to the inside.

no back peddling.

[GrimCoconut]

press and bail are 2 different techniques.

you cant really use those 2 at the same time.

press you are sqaured up facing the WR before the snap and force him to the outside using your hands after the snap.

bail you position yourself facing the inside of the formation before the snap and then just kind of freestyle depending on what you see.

with free style i mean you turn around and run or you follow the wr to the inside.

no back peddling.

I'm not trying to be a jerk or call you out, but there's such a coverage as press-bail. Please look it up. I think this is more of an argument of semantics. Or perhaps it's better to call it a technique, if you want to be technical. It's where you show press but bail into a zone. The nice thing is this technique and coverage allows you to continue to press if desired, but it's deceptive and can confuse a QB and throw off the timing of the route since they're not sure what to expect.

I honestly think we're saying the exact same thing here. I'm not sure what you're debating with me.

Edited October 23, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Militant X 1]

Huge issue last year and this. The better pass defenses have pieces that have played together for at least a couple of years and they understand what each other will do in different situations.  Seems like the Ravens haven't been able to keep even 3 or 4 of the same guys on the field for more than a couple of games which has made it impossible to develop chemistry.

 

That is the truth!  I can't stand this "revolving door" that's taking place in our secondary.

[Tru11]

I'm not trying to be a jerk or call you out, but there's such a coverage as press-bail. Please look it up. I think this is more of an argument of semantics. Or perhaps it's better to call it a technique, if you want to be technical. It's where you show press but bail into a zone. The nice thing is this technique and coverage allows you to continue to press if desired, but it's deceptive and can confuse a QB and throw off the timing of the route since they're not sure what to expect.

I honestly think we're saying the exact same thing here. I'm not sure what you're debating with me.

 

yeah i was talking techniques.

 

i missed the coverage part my bad,

 

i think that mostly for zone coverage though.

im not sure thats a good idea in man coverage.

 

people dont like zone on this forum lol

[BmoreBird22]

yeah i was talking techniques.

i missed the coverage part my bad,

i think that mostly for zone coverage though.

im not sure thats a good idea in man coverage.

people dont like zone on this forum lol

I was going to chime in, but you kinda hit it here...

I've never seen press bail in man coverage, nor do I think it'd even work, and it's definitely a zone concept

[Tru11]

I was going to chime in, but you kinda hit it here...

I've never seen press bail in man coverage, nor do I think it'd even work, and it's definitely a zone concept

 

yeah its basically just a disguise where you show 1 technique but end up playing another.

 

its no different then  showing like your blitzing and then dropping in coverage or lining up like you are in coverage and then blitz.