The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[jazz1988]

 
The Seahawks cut some solid defensive talent before the regular season started and usually for some odd reason teams that go to the super bowl have  a down year afterwards...

[Tru11]

The Seahawks cut some solid defensive talent before the regular season started and usually for some odd reason teams that go to the super bowl have  a down year afterwards...

 

not to mention their all pro safety was holding out .....

maxwell is with the eagles.

simon is on IR

lane is on IR

cary williams is their  new starting CB--> got cut by eagles lel

Burley is banged up...

 

But is must the DC who is in his first season calling the plays 

Edited October 20, 2015 by Tru11

[Tru11]

Exactly the response I was hoping for...

 

In totality, my point was people are actually blaming the new DC of the Seahawks for their failures, yet they can't actually explain what he's done differently? If you're going to draw a conclusion like that, you better be able to support it by something other than "they are losing more games and the personnel is the same". I've watched most of Seattle's games, and I see no difference in the scheme, design, or assignments any of the players are being asked to do. So how then could I blame him for something that I can't even see what impact he has on to begin with? Just because the names on the back of the jerseys of the personnel on the field haven't changed doesn't mean that they aren't to blame, because they very much are. You can directly look at many of the late TDs given up by the Seahawks this season and point, with mountains of evidence, to missed assignments and poor technique/execution from the players.

 

In short, that's a lazy approach, and in many cases, its just flat wrong.

 

Here's a radical concept... sometimes players just don't play to the level they are capable of AND actually do make mistakes. 

 

As it were... if we are going to NOW, conveniently, say that good assistant coaches don't necessarily make good DCs, then why is this fanbase convinced that Clarence Brooks is a viable solution, when he certainly falls into that class?

 

   

 

hit it right on the nail.

 

especially the last part.

[77rus]

Exactly the response I was hoping for...

 

In totality, my point was people are actually blaming the new DC of the Seahawks for their failures, yet they can't actually explain what he's done differently? If you're going to draw a conclusion like that, you better be able to support it by something other than "they are losing more games and the personnel is the same". I've watched most of Seattle's games, and I see no difference in the scheme, design, or assignments any of the players are being asked to do. So how then could I blame him for something that I can't even see what impact he has on to begin with? Just because the names on the back of the jerseys of the personnel on the field haven't changed doesn't mean that they aren't to blame, because they very much are. You can directly look at many of the late TDs given up by the Seahawks this season and point, with mountains of evidence, to missed assignments and poor technique/execution from the players.

 

In short, that's a lazy approach, and in many cases, its just flat wrong.

 

Here's a radical concept... sometimes players just don't play to the level they are capable of AND actually do make mistakes. 

 

As it were... if we are going to NOW, conveniently, say that good assistant coaches don't necessarily make good DCs, then why is this fanbase convinced that Clarence Brooks is a viable solution, when he certainly falls into that class?

Can you explain Ray Lewis impact? Sometimes it's not 100% the scheme. There are other factors at play, also.

The fanbase wants a change from the stale situation that the D is in. Brooks is only an option that people are pointing to, because the players respect him and are excited to play for him (remember B. Williams's reaction when Brooks got the game ball?!) He might not be the savior, but it seems pretty obvious that something's got to change....

[52520Andrew]

not to mention their all pro safety was holding out .....

maxwell is with the eagles.

simon is on IR

lane is on IR

cary williams is their  new starting CB--> got cut by eagles lel

Burley is banged up...

 

But is must the DC who is in his first season calling the plays 

 

Well considering they lost Quin to Atlanta as well, I am sure it makes a difference, especially given how well Atlanta's defense has started to play

[AsianRice]

A right coach can make a whole lot of difference.........

[Static]

Exactly the response I was hoping for...

In totality, my point was people are actually blaming the new DC of the Seahawks for their failures, yet they can't actually explain what he's done differently? If you're going to draw a conclusion like that, you better be able to support it by something other than "they are losing more games and the personnel is the same". I've watched most of Seattle's games, and I see no difference in the scheme, design, or assignments any of the players are being asked to do. So how then could I blame him for something that I can't even see what impact he has on to begin with? Just because the names on the back of the jerseys of the personnel on the field haven't changed doesn't mean that they aren't to blame, because they very much are. You can directly look at many of the late TDs given up by the Seahawks this season and point, with mountains of evidence, to missed assignments and poor technique/execution from the players.

In short, that's a lazy approach, and in many cases, its just flat wrong.

Here's a radical concept... sometimes players just don't play to the level they are capable of AND actually do make mistakes.

As it were... if we are going to NOW, conveniently, say that good assistant coaches don't necessarily make good DCs, then why is this fanbase convinced that Clarence Brooks is a viable solution, when he certainly falls into that class?

So you're saying its the GMs fault in both cases. Thanks

[rmcjacket23]

So you're saying its the GMs fault in both cases. Thanks

Sort of. 

 

Personnel changes, generally, are driven by the GM, although in some cases, he really doesn't have a choice.

 

The main concept of players just not playing as well as they can or should has literally nothing to do with the GM whatsoever.

 

I doubt the GM went down to the field right before the Carolina TD pass to win the game Sunday and told Sherman and Thomas to both pretend like they didn't know who was supposed to cover Olsen...

 

But according to fans, great players ALWAYS play great and never, ever make mistakes, so I guess it was the GM's fault... 

 

SMH.

[rmcjacket23]

Can you explain Ray Lewis impact? Sometimes it's not 100% the scheme. There are other factors at play, also.

The fanbase wants a change from the stale situation that the D is in. Brooks is only an option that people are pointing to, because the players respect him and are excited to play for him (remember B. Williams's reaction when Brooks got the game ball?!) He might not be the savior, but it seems pretty obvious that something's got to change....

Correct its not. Sometimes its player motivation. But then again, I'm one of the few who thinks that if players need a coach or even a Ray Lewis to get them motivated to play the best they can, then they probably aren't worthy to play in this league to begin with.

 

Can't really blame the whole thing on a lack of Lewis leadership either, since the collapse of this defense began long before he or Reed retired...

[Static]

Sort of.

Personnel changes, generally, are driven by the GM, although in some cases, he really doesn't have a choice.

The main concept of players just not playing as well as they can or should has literally nothing to do with the GM whatsoever.

I doubt the GM went down to the field right before the Carolina TD pass to win the game Sunday and told Sherman and Thomas to both pretend like they didn't know who was supposed to cover Olsen...

But according to fans, great players ALWAYS play great and never, ever make mistakes, so I guess it was the GM's fault...

SMH.

It is the coaches job to coach out mistakes and penalties and the GMs job to get players that don't make mistakes.

This is the NFL." Oops I made an uhoh" doesn't fly and neither does blaming bad luck.

When we finish as a bottom team I doubt Biscotti will chalk it up as bad luck and call it a day.

[Tru11]

Well considering they lost Quin to Atlanta as well, I am sure it makes a difference, especially given how well Atlanta's defense has started to play

 

yup its not just 1 thing.

 

new DC , new secondary coach , star SS holding on till the season starts , injuries.

 

cant really put all the blame on 1 thing which is the popular way of doing things here.

 

also if ther offense manages 8 points total in the 4th quarter since week 2 i thing the defense is the least of their worries lol

[52520Andrew]

yup its not just 1 thing.

 

new DC , new secondary coach , star SS holding on till the season starts , injuries.

 

cant really put all the blame on 1 thing which is the popular way of doing things here.

 

also if ther offense manages 8 points total in the 4th quarter since week 2 i thing the defense is the least of their worries lol

 

Their defense is a heck of a lot better than what we have, O-line is their biggest concern

[jazz1988]

Correct its not. Sometimes its player motivation. But then again, I'm one of the few who thinks that if players need a coach or even a Ray Lewis to get them motivated to play the best they can, then they probably aren't worthy to play in this league to begin with.

 

Can't really blame the whole thing on a lack of Lewis leadership either, since the collapse of this defense began long before he or Reed retired...

 

I think when you on a team or when you working with others motivation and inspiration is needed sometimes.  Some players like Joe Flacco don't think it's necessary  to have players motivate others like in that Ray Lewis way  but I doubt he has never been  bumped up after a motivational speech.

 

It's a team sports matter of fact even on a regular job like for example employees at subway need motivation sometimes to help them get through the day. These are young or older men on one team playing 16 games a season  and that's a journey . The road can get tough and sometimes that can affect a players confidence  but when there's a coach or player  consistently motivating or inspiring them it helps keep their spirits high.

 

 

You don't even have to be like Ray Lewis to do that. Sometimes just staying calm and looking confident like Joe Flacco does at times can motivate and inspire players.

[Tru11]

Their defense is a heck of a lot better than what we have, O-line is their biggest concern

 

it sure is.

both of what you said.

 

then again they are spending 76 mil on defense alone which is tops in the NFL so they should be lol

 

we are actually the 8 lowest spenders on defense.

from the teams that are spending less then us defense the pats are doing a great job and the falcons, decend.

every other team is right there with is at being bad   

[rmcjacket23]

It is the coaches job to coach out mistakes and penalties and the GMs job to get players that don't make mistakes.

This is the NFL." Oops I made an uhoh" doesn't fly and neither does blaming bad luck.

When we finish as a bottom team I doubt Biscotti will chalk it up as bad luck and call it a day.

1. I have no idea what the "bad luck" reference was even referring to. It wasn't referenced anywhere else, nor is this team 1-5 because of bad luck.

 

2. By that logic... should the Seahawks fire their GM, defensive coaches, and even the players who made the mistakes? Cut Richard Sherman, cut Earl Thomas, and cut the defensive coach who deserves credit for making them great. And... cut the GM who was smart enough to draft them. 

 

SMH.

 

Coaches can't play the game for them. Guys that consistently make mistakes don't get coaches fired... they get fired themselves. We know this because the people who are in charge of determining personnel already know what the coaches are coaching.

 

There's no coaching scheme or technique on the planet that tells Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas to let the best player on the offense run down the field uncovered for a TD and then look at each other befuddled, just like there's no coaching scheme or technique on the planet that tells Shareece Wright to lunge forward on a double move and give up a 70 yard TD to a guy who only runs one route for the entire game.

 

There isn't a coach in history who can fix that. 

[Militant X 1]

Correct its not. Sometimes its player motivation. But then again, I'm one of the few who thinks that if players need a coach or even a Ray Lewis to get them motivated to play the best they can, then they probably aren't worthy to play in this league to begin with.

 

Can't really blame the whole thing on a lack of Lewis leadership either, since the collapse of this defense began long before he or Reed retired...

 

That's ridiculous to me.

 

I think when you on a team or when you working with others motivation and inspiration is needed sometimes.  Some players like Joe Flacco don't think it's necessary  to have players motivate others like in that Ray Lewis way  but I doubt he has never been  bumped up after a motivational speech.

 

It's a team sports matter of fact even on a regular job like for example employees at subway need motivation sometimes to help them get through the day. These are young or older men on one team playing 16 games a season  and that's a journey . The road can get tough and sometimes that can affect a players confidence  but when there's a coach or player  consistently motivating or inspiring them it helps keep their spirits high.

 

 

You don't even have to be like Ray Lewis to do that. Sometimes just staying calm and looking confident like Joe Flacco does at times can motivate and inspire players.

 

Everyone at some point in what they are doing needs extra motivation.  If not, why do the Ravens keep O.J. Brigance around?  Why do they bring in a Muhammad Ali (like they did a few years back) or an Olympic Gold Medlist named Michael Phelps?  All of that is to "inspire" people!  Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and multiple fortune 500 companies bring in motivational speakers like a Les Brown to stir up their people to produce more!  To say that these NFL players don't need motivation at times is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard said in this place. 

 

SMH!

[RaineV1]

Correct its not. Sometimes its player motivation. But then again, I'm one of the few who thinks that if players need a coach or even a Ray Lewis to get them motivated to play the best they can, then they probably aren't worthy to play in this league to begin with.

 

Can't really blame the whole thing on a lack of Lewis leadership either, since the collapse of this defense began long before he or Reed retired...

I somewhat disagree with this. They should be trying to play hard no matter what, but good leaders can get people to play on another level, get them to play on a level even that player didn't know he was capable of.

Edited October 20, 2015 by RaineV1

[rmcjacket23]

That's ridiculous to me.

 

 

Everyone at some point in what they are doing needs extra motivation.  If not, why do the Ravens keep O.J. Brigance around?  Why do they bring in a Muhammad Ali (like they did a few years back) or an Olympic Gold Medlist named Michael Phelps?  All of that is to "inspire" people!  Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and multiple fortune 500 companies bring in motivational speakers like a Les Brown to stir up their people to produce more!  To say that these NFL players don't need motivation at times is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard said in this place. 

 

SMH!

Well, about half of that is for the fans and public relations from a football standpoint. Its a feel good story you can write about on the website later. 

 

From a corporation standpoint, oftentimes this is used to convince the low-level employees that they matter when the company is struggling and generally lacking in motivation, mostly for financial reasons. There aren't any financial reasons for NFL players to lack motivation.

 

Its to show you made an ATTEMPT to motivate people. 

 

If you ever notice, there aren't 53 guys in a circle doing the Ray Lewis shouting and dance party prior to games that everybody likes to watch and get psyched for. Its a handful of guys, at most. 

 

There is a gigantic number of highly motivated, high quality leaders in this league and everywhere who don't need to have a celebrity speech or even a teammate speech given to them to explain to them that playing well is important. You'll actually find most of the QBs in this league (particularly the great leaders) rarely if anything to do with any of this stuff...

 

If THEY feel the need to give a speech, they will.

[rmcjacket23]

I somewhat disagree with this. They should be trying to play hard no matter what, but good leaders can get people to play on another level, get them to play on a level even that player didn't know he was capable of.

Make no mistake... I didn't say motivation or leadership is useless, because its clearly not.

 

I'm just not what of these laughable people who think Ray Lewis walking around on the sidelines clapping and yelling at people (positive or negative) is all of the sudden going to make this defense give up 10 points a game.

 

How quickly we forget that the last few times we saw Ray on a football field this defense was the textbook definition of mediocre. 

 

Leadership is A problem, its not even remotely close to THE problem. Leadership can make an average defense look good. It can't make a bad defense look good. 

Edited October 20, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[RaineV1]

Make no mistake... I didn't say motivation or leadership is useless, because its clearly not.

 

I'm just not what of these laughable people who think Ray Lewis walking around on the sidelines clapping and yelling at people (positive or negative) is all of the sudden going to make this defense give up 10 points a game.

 

How quickly we forget that the last few times we saw Ray on a football field this defense was the textbook definition of mediocre. 

 

Leadership is A problem, its not even remotely close to THE problem. Leadership can make an average defense look good. It can't make a bad defense look good. 

Yeah, I can agree that just putting Lewis on the sideline doesn't instantly make the defense great. Now if he was the DC, that could work, but that isn't likely to happen.

 

As for it's effect on this team, I do think leadership could have made the difference in our win loss record. A leader might have kept the defense from collapsing in the fourth quarter which is the biggest issue. The defense wasn't great in Ray's final year, but they did at least step it up when they knew they were in do or die situations. Like at the end of the Super bowl.

[77rus]

Correct its not. Sometimes its player motivation. But then again, I'm one of the few who thinks that if players need a coach or even a Ray Lewis to get them motivated to play the best they can, then they probably aren't worthy to play in this league to begin with.

 

Can't really blame the whole thing on a lack of Lewis leadership either, since the collapse of this defense began long before he or Reed retired...

Not even talking about motivation.  Have you ever noticed when you care about a person, you just do more, go the extra mile, probably not even consciously?

[jazz1988]

Well, about half of that is for the fans and public relations from a football standpoint. Its a feel good story you can write about on the website later. 

 

From a corporation standpoint, oftentimes this is used to convince the low-level employees that they matter when the company is struggling and generally lacking in motivation, mostly for financial reasons. There aren't any financial reasons for NFL players to lack motivation.

 

Its to show you made an ATTEMPT to motivate people. 

 

If you ever notice, there aren't 53 guys in a circle doing the Ray Lewis shouting and dance party prior to games that everybody likes to watch and get psyched for. Its a handful of guys, at most. 

 

There is a gigantic number of highly motivated, high quality leaders in this league and everywhere who don't need to have a celebrity speech or even a teammate speech given to them to explain to them that playing well is important. You'll actually find most of the QBs in this league (particularly the great leaders) rarely if anything to do with any of this stuff...

 

If THEY feel the need to give a speech, they will.

 

I study business management in college and in my study was  never mention that managers and CEO's have to motivate lower level employees because of financial issues.Honestly it doesn't matter how much you getting paid if the working environment sucks and  the energy is boring or lacking then more times than not the employee is going to want to  leave for some thing better and sometimes they will leave for less money. 

 

People think those millions of dollars should be the only motivation for these NFL players but that's far from the truth. If that was really the case it wouldn't really be no point of having a head coach but just coordinators. You really think when they out there playing football money is on their minds? You really think when they lose games money  is their only source of getting over it ?

 

You don't have to be like Ray Lewis but I have seen great leaders or quarterbacks such as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodger, Big Ben,  Drew Brees and etc give their players a good talking to during the game or before the game. The fact is this when you in a team or around a group of people there is energy involved if that energy is low or boring then most likely if you around it enough it's going to rub off. So it doesn't require all 53 men  to listen to Ray Lewis it can be just 5 or 10 teammates alone getting pumped up and inspired by another player  and it rub off  on the rest of the players.

Edited October 20, 2015 by jazz1988

[rmcjacket23]

Not even talking about motivation.  Have you ever noticed when you care about a person, you just do more, go the extra mile, probably not even consciously?

Sure, but there's no evidence that's not the case on this team. I have no doubt these players care about each other.

[rmcjacket23]

I study business management in college and in my study was  never mention that managers and CEO's have to motivate lower level employees because of financial issues.Honestly it doesn't matter how much you getting paid if the working environment sucks and  the energy is boring or lacking then more times than not the employee is going to want to  leave for some thing better and sometimes they will leave for less money. 

 

People think those millions of dollars should be the only motivation for these NFL players but that's far from the truth. If that was really the case it wouldn't really be no point of having a head coach but just coordinators. You really think when they out there playing football money is on their minds? You really think when they lose games money  is their only source of getting over it ?

 

You don't have to be like Ray Lewis but I have seen great leaders or quarterbacks such as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodger, Big Ben,  Drew Brees and etc give their players a good talking to during the game or before the game. The fact is this when you in a team or around a group of people there is energy involved if that energy is low or boring then most likely if you around it enough it's going to rub off. So it doesn't require all 53 men  to listen to Ray Lewis it can be just 5 or 10 teammates alone getting pumped up and inspired by another player  and it rub off  on the rest of the players.

1. Cool... all that does is make bad football play elevated to somewhat below average football play.

 

There are multiple times in every single game, win or lose, where there are mistakes made that have absolutely nothing to do with a lack of motivation or a lack of leadership.

 

2. In an indirect way, I think money is exactly on their minds...

 

What do I think goes through a players mind when they aren't playing well? The exact same thing that SHOULD go through somebodies mind when he's not doing his job properly, regardless of work environment... I might not be here tomorrow. I might get fired, or in this case, cut. Maybe the first thing that goes through Wright's mind right after the game is how he let his teammates down, and that's understandable. But whats the thing he's MOST concerned about? Him having a job on Monday, which in his case, is/was highly questionable.

 

What we know, historically, is that the overwhelming majority of these players have very little else to fall back on. Many of them leave college before graduation and/or graduate with degrees that have little demand in the real world, are extremely flawed with money management skills, and generally have a difficult time getting significant employment elsewhere post-career.

 

So while I have no doubt that players really love to win, and in particular, really love to play football, I know that none of them would do it for free, and I know that the overwhelming majority of them (not your "elite" level earners and players) have legitimate concerns annually about whether or not they will still be employed in this league. And there's really only one way to guarantee that... and that's to be healthy and play well.

[77rus]

Sure, but there's no evidence that's not the case on this team. I have no doubt these players care about each other.

The question is not whether they care about each other. I believe they do. The question is whether they care about Pees and his scheme (and whether they care to execute it)...

[rmcjacket23]

The question is not whether they care about each other. I believe they do. The question is whether they care about Pees and his scheme (and whether they care to execute it)...

Sounds like a dangerous game that many of them don't have the luxury to play. I doubt some of the guys on this defense, particularly the depth guys who annually have to compete for just a simple roster spot and minimum salary in this league, can afford to not play up to the level they can because they don't like the scheme or the assignment they've been given.

 

In theory, they COULD think that way, but its a recipe for a career-ending backfire. Other coaches and scouts around the league generally aren't fond of people who are perceived to give less than optimal effort, particularly when they can't hide that with their overwhelming skill sets.

 

If fans can perceive this, rest assured coaches can. And when coaches think this, you generally end up on the bench or cut. And when other coaches are looking to bring you in, they seek the opinion of other coaches, particularly the one you just played for.

Edited October 20, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[77rus]

Sounds like a dangerous game that many of them don't have the luxury to play. I doubt some of the guys on this defense, particularly the depth guys who annually have to compete for just a simple roster spot and minimum salary in this league, can afford to not play up to the level they can because they don't like the scheme or the assignment they've been given.

 

In theory, they COULD think that way, but its a recipe for a career-ending backfire. Other coaches and scouts around the league generally aren't fond of people who are perceived to give less than optimal effort, particularly when they can't hide that with their overwhelming skill sets.

 

If fans can perceive this, rest assured coaches can. And when coaches think this, you generally end up on the bench or cut. And when other coaches are looking to bring you in, they seek the opinion of other coaches, particularly the one you just played for.

In theory, you might be thinking that you are giving it your all. In reality, when you don't agree with something, even subconsciously, the result is quite different

[PurpleCity5]

Stop giving Pees these passes, if the defense didn't do its job, then neither did he, simple as that.

You can talk about how he doesn't have talent but let's not forget this defense wet the bed as soon as Suggs went down to injury. It was as soon as Suggs went down we just turned awful. That tells me Suggs held the leadership manta of this team that Pees currently doesn't have a hold of. Have some people not seen how poorly the communication has been? The mis-communication on this team has been atrocious! Torrey's 76Yard TD was the definition of horrible communication, there was supposed to be a safety to help out Shareece Wright. Kendrick Lewis was on the field completely clueless as to what to do. Either it was Hill's responsibility to switch off of the TE when the TE went to help pass protect or Kendrick Lewis should have gave Wright the safety help needed himself.

I haven't watched Pees conferences lately, but all I've been hearing about is technique and execution. How do you not address what has plagued this team being communication? It's ridiculous. I'd like to go to the Oakland game, I seriously nearly lost my mind when I saw our CBs play off hard on a 3rd and 2...like who on Earth does that? IMO the players was awful but Pees certainly didn't call a good game. I know players have a choice on how far they want to play off, but in a 3rd and 2, you need to take away the short and intermediate routes.

The saddest part is, we're going up against some average to weak offenses. I mean Cleveland, Oakland, and San Francisco. We're not going up against GreenBay, New England, or Atlanta. The only time we've went up against a highly-prolific offense, Bengals, it was atrocious, not to mention the idea to put Kendrick Lewis on AJ Greene, I really hope that wasn't his idea and some Bengals fan interfered with the Airways and drew that one up.

Does he deserve most of the blame, nope, not at all. I'd even blame the Front Office more than Pees himself. At the same time, I don't see him as the solution to fix this defense. There are defenses with poor secondaries, I mean poor secondaries and yet, they make up for it. Look at the Steelers, how on Earth do they have a better preforming secondary than our own? Even the Cowboys have a better secondary than our own, statistically. Lol wuht?! This man does not get the most out of his players and I'm really growing sour on him. This seems weird considering that at the start of the season I've defended him and even done so when people claim he deserves most of the blame but now I just don't even think he should be here next season.

Edited October 23, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Spuds]

Agreed that Pees does not get a free pass. When the defensive players make mistakes an get penalized for stupid things like lining up off sides or shoving a reciever 25 yards away from the play (Jimmy Smith) then it shows that the players are not disciplined. This is on the coaches to get there players heads right. I have complained about Pees being up in the booth when they first sent him up there. He needs his butt down on the field working with the problems at hand. That is what assistant coaches are for. look around the NFL and you will see Def coaches engaging there players everywhere. We have a good Def line in my estimation but if there are doing all the work and seeing the breakdown in the secondary then they soon will also fall apart.

 

Watching other games and looking at there defenses I see alot of old raven d guys in starting positions and playing well and also being mentioned. Did we not pay them enough to stay? Or did we think they were not that good. Have they been motivated by good coaches to reach there potential, maybe? We need an anchor to replace Ray Lewis. Someone who plays above and beyond and is respected. You can draft all the good players you want but if they don't gel then we are screwed.

 

Pees is not all to blame but he gets paid big bucks to take the heat. We cannot mearly try to outscore the opponents and hope that's enough to win. I also think that we do not have confidence in our recievers since we do not and never spread the ball around like we should. We key on one reciever and expect him to be perfect. Hell Kapernick threw to 10 different players. The ship is sinking so a chenge is eminent. Make the move Harbaugh and don't just say "We have the coaches we want to carry us to the next level and so there will be no coaching change"

[PurpleCity5]

Agreed that Pees does not get a free pass. When the defensive players make mistakes an get penalized for stupid things like lining up off sides or shoving a reciever 25 yards away from the play (Jimmy Smith) then it shows that the players are not disciplined. This is on the coaches to get there players heads right. I have complained about Pees being up in the booth when they first sent him up there. He needs his butt down on the field working with the problems at hand. That is what assistant coaches are for. look around the NFL and you will see Def coaches engaging there players everywhere. We have a good Def line in my estimation but if there are doing all the work and seeing the breakdown in the secondary then they soon will also fall apart.

 

Watching other games and looking at there defenses I see alot of old raven d guys in starting positions and playing well and also being mentioned. Did we not pay them enough to stay? Or did we think they were not that good. Have they been motivated by good coaches to reach there potential, maybe? We need an anchor to replace Ray Lewis. Someone who plays above and beyond and is respected. You can draft all the good players you want but if they don't gel then we are screwed.

 

Pees is not all to blame but he gets paid big bucks to take the heat. We cannot mearly try to outscore the opponents and hope that's enough to win. I also think that we do not have confidence in our recievers since we do not and never spread the ball around like we should. We key on one reciever and expect him to be perfect. Hell Kapernick threw to 10 different players. The ship is sinking so a chenge is eminent. Make the move Harbaugh and don't just say "We have the coaches we want to carry us to the next level and so there will be no coaching change"

That's exactly how I feel. People act like we've been going up against some high powered offense that scores 50 per game. It was the San Francisco 49ers who at times have an abysmal offense, last week it was Cleveland. I'm not saying Pees is a bad coach, but he isn't getting the most out of his guys, great DC know how to do that. 

 

As far as old Ravens go, the only one I want back from last season is McPhee, god I miss him. I'd like to get Corey Graham back to. I really look back on that decision to keep Jacoby over Corey as one of our worst in recent years. Really would like that one back. Other than that I think F.O has made the right calls personally. 

 

I'm really upset at the effort of these players. No emotion or urgency what so ever. It's like they anticipate losing. It wouldn't happen with a leader on the field IMO.