The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[PurpleCity5]

We'll find out Thursday when Pees says 'It's simple, they have to cover! I can coach it better, but...'

Well, that was a horrible, horrible decision if it was indeed his call.

[Ravens2343]

Id really like to know who made the call to blitz Kaepernick with Shareece Wright having one-on-one coverage with Torrey and no safety help. Either there was some mis-communication, or that was a terrible play call in general.

 

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw both safeties were up at the line of scrimmage.  Hill and Lewis looked like linebackers they were that close to the line

[PurpleCity5]

Peas will say something about execution and technique. Then say that his gameplan was flawless and he'd change nothing.

You know, I don't call for coaches jobs but I wouldn't mind if some other team asked for Pees to become their head coach.

I still have to evaluate the play before I can point fingers.

Edited October 19, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Ravens2343]

The only play I can really think of that didn't make sense by Pees was when there was no safety help to watch out for Torrey Smith but other than that it's hard to really blame The 49ers game on him. 

 

I can think of a few others.  Bruce Miller continually rolled out and was uncovered numerous times for big gains.  Judging by the alignment and who blitzed and who didn't it looked like Pees did not account for Miller in his play call amongst other blunders

Edited October 19, 2015 by Ravens2343

[GrimCoconut]

I can think of a few others. Bruce Miller continually rolled out and was uncovered numerous times for big gains. Judging by the alignment and who blitzed and who didn't it looked like Pees did not account for Miller in his play call amongst other blunders

Yeah, wth was that? I couldn't believe a FB was killing us like that, lol..

[RaineV1]

Honestly we don't even know for sure as fans if the players don't like Dean Pees. Maybe a new defensive coordinator could bring a breath of fresh air but it's quite possible he could be worse.

Considering that we already have one of the worst defenses in the league that always crumbles at the worst moment, I don't think it's possible to go any further downhill from here.

Edited October 19, 2015 by RaineV1

[Militant X 1]

Pees has his fan club here, but regardless of whether or not you think he's a good playcaller, the players are clearly not invested in his scheme. For that reason alone he has to go.

 

And when players aren't invested in the scheme it means that neither are they invested in Pees as the D.C. in general imo.  He's a joke!

[allblackraven]

I wish the Arizona game came earlier. If we were 2-2 going into Arizona game and get blown out it would be a wake up call.

 

Wishful thinking, my friend. We were never 2-2.

 

[BSHU_Miami]

Why are we wasting our time with this guy.

[PurpleCity5]

Ok, so I’ve just watched the play where Torrey completely dusted Wright on that play for a 76Yard TD. IMO Harbaugh should have been just as upset by that play call, the safeties and miscommunication. Kendrick Lewis looked completely confused out there. At the start of the play both of our safeties functioned in the box pretty much leaving Wright alone against Torrey, I don’t know anyone who would think that’s a good idea. I kind of hate that play call, even if the players didn’t execute.

 

This play was a huge example of poor communication. Kendrick Lewis should have been in deep coverage and given Wright some safety help, especially when you have Torrey going up against a guy who the 49ers will obviously be attacking. One thing that is shrewd about man-coverage is that you cannot make a mistake, not one at all, and Shareece Wright badly made one on Torrey’s double move. Shareece Wright did not do a good job of reading Torrey’s route. When a player pulls a double move, then he’s going to go deep, Wright should’ve known that, instead he tried to jump Torrey’s route….bad idea.

 

I’m quite honestly upset with the lack of safety help, this is where I blame Kendrick. C.J's job was to make sure that if Torrey ran the slant, he would be stopped for just a short gain. From what I can tell, Kendrick Lewis was supposed to cover the TE, once TE shifted to pass protection, Lewis is supposed to immediately release from his man and help Shareece Wright with deep coverage. Another mistake Lewis made was that he played way to close too the box, it would have helped Lewis if he backed off a bit when the TE stayed to block, Lewis immediately could have disrupted the play and prevent the TD. 

 

Poor communication overall on that play call. You can get mad at Wright, who made a bonehead mistake but leaving him on Torrey but quite honestly a gamble from the start. I put that one on the safeties as much as I would put it on Wright.

 

 

 

 

Here’s a similar situation where Miles Austin runs a similar route against a similar defensive formation for further explanation. This is quite honestly the best example I could find of the play similar to what Torrey did yesterday.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-anatomy-of-a-play/09000d5d8142436c/WK-9-Anatomy-Austin-s-Double-Move

Edited October 19, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[AsianRice]

can't believe Steve didn't holler at John for Pees' head yet....

Edited October 19, 2015 by AsianRice

[johnmike72]

"We`re are our own worst enemy."- Dean Pees  No Dean, you and your weak schemes and play calling is.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Who would you like to see come in and rebuild this defense? Herm Edwards,Pagano, a Shottenheimer, is Nolan still around?

[Static]

Maybe we can snag a Seattle or Carolina position coach.

or Jets even

Edited October 19, 2015 by Static

[asteroid]

We have had Pees here since 2012 though and I don't recall any high profile assistants coming in and making any major changes this year. In 2013 it was Caldwell's first full year at OC and we brought Castillo in to work on the O-line as well. 

Interesting. Defensive line coach Clarence Brooks received a game ball from Harbaugh after he win against Pittsburgh. What did Harbaugh give Pees?

[AsianRice]

Interesting. Defensive line coach Clarence Brooks received a game ball from Harbaugh after he win against Pittsburgh. What did Harbaugh give Pees?

nuts.....

[JO_75]

A very interesting read below and I must say this may be the case of what's wrong with our defense. Pees has lost control of his unit just as a Head Coach loses control of the team. I just don't understand why it's taking this long to make a change and fire him. Again, Darian Stewart didn't play this well with us last year, and Kendrick Lewis was a good signing because of how he played in Houston. Stewart has seemingly played better under Wade Phillips and Lewis has declined from what he was doing in Houston. 

 

Honestly, trading Elam and Brown who have been busts here might be good because if they go elsewhere and actually produce results while they did nothing there it would only mean Pees was the problem from the beginning.

 

There is one common denominator in all of this... Dean Pees. 

 

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/10/19/9566615/ravens-defensive-coordinator-dean-pees-has-lost-his-defense

[RaineV1]

Who would you like to see come in and rebuild this defense? Herm Edwards,Pagano, a Shottenheimer, is Nolan still around?

My first choice would be one of the front seven position coaches (Brooks, Martindale, and Monochino, probably misspelled the last one) get promoted. Otherwise I'd say bring back Nolan.

[DomMcRaven]

A very interesting read below and I must say this may be the case of what's wrong with our defense. Pees has lost control of his unit just as a Head Coach loses control of the team. I just don't understand why it's taking this long to make a change and fire him. Again, Darian Stewart didn't play this well with us last year, and Kendrick Lewis was a good signing because of how he played in Houston. Stewart has seemingly played better under Wade Phillips and Lewis has declined from what he was doing in Houston. 

 

Honestly, trading Elam and Brown who have been busts here might be good because if they go elsewhere and actually produce results while they did nothing there it would only mean Pees was the problem from the beginning.

 

There is one common denominator in all of this... Dean Pees. 

 

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/10/19/9566615/ravens-defensive-coordinator-dean-pees-has-lost-his-defense

Good read indeed. And to think last year, we almost cracked the top 5 in scoring defense with that awful secondary. It's definitely time for a new voice. I just don't think it'll happen until the season is over. 

[52liveforever]

Who would you like to see come in and rebuild this defense? Herm Edwards,Pagano, a Shottenheimer, is Nolan still around?

Bud Foster at Virginia Tech. He has refused a lot of college jobs, but I'm not sure how many NFL offers he's had if any. Baltimore being somewhat close may make it possible.

[52liveforever]

My first choice would be one of the front seven position coaches (Brooks, Martindale, and Monochino, probably misspelled the last one) get promoted. Otherwise I'd say bring back Nolan.

I think Brooks has a lot of respect from the players which may make him the guy. However I think we need fresh blood to come in. I think we need a defensive coordinator to come in with no emotional attachment to any of these guys.

[AsianRice]

Ray Lewis made bad coach looked average like Pees, average coach looked good, and good coach looked great, so removing Lewis, they all go down a notch...

 

It's time to look for a real DC who can actually lead our defense and breed play-makers.....

 

John needs to take off his buddy eyeglasses........

[Static]

Since week 2 Seattle has been outscored 40 something to 8 in the 4th quarter.

They lost their Defensive Coordinator.

Talent can NOT outweigh bad coaching

[Ravens2343]

Who would you like to see come in and rebuild this defense? Herm Edwards,Pagano, a Shottenheimer, is Nolan still around?

 

Nolan would be a choice, but there are pretty good options that may become available this offseason.  Pagano, Pettine and Bradley could all be fired this offseason, they would be good options.  Ray Horton is an option, he is currently Tennessee's defensive coordinator.  Jim Schwartz is also a viable candidate, he has predominately run a 4-3 defense but that is not a deal breaker as every candidate should be considered.  As a fan I would want Pagano or Horton first before we consider anyone else

Edited October 20, 2015 by Ravens2343

[JEEPercreepermd]

We are once again singing guys off the street to start at corner and it's still Pees' fault.

Pees has tried everything under the sun in terms of scheme and play calling.

This isn't his fault, we have a serious lack of talent on the field at this point in time.

[rmcjacket23]

Since week 2 Seattle has been outscored 40 something to 8 in the 4th quarter.

They lost their Defensive Coordinator.

Talent can NOT outweigh bad coaching

What makes you think their DC is bad? Or are you just drawing that conclusion because they've been struggling (despite their personnel being different)?

 

Keep in mind... their new DC is the guy who was the position coach for the most prolific unit of their defense for the last several years (secondary coach). I guess he all of the sudden is a bad coach huh?

 

Nice try... your theory doesn't pass the smell test.

[Ravens2343]

We are once again singing guys off the street to start at corner and it's still Pees' fault.

Pees has tried everything under the sun in terms of scheme and play calling.

This isn't his fault, we have a serious lack of talent on the field at this point in time.

 

I agree with you that injuries have hurt this defense, but Pees is still to blame for a lot of these problems.  Jimmy Smith is still playing 8-10 yards off a lot and receivers are running right past him.  Pees does not give Wright safety help when he clearly needs it.  The only reason our defense looked great Week 1 was because Manning is all but finished.  Pees had the same mediocre game plan then as he does now and I wont go as far to say its all his fault, but we have seen enough where a new voice is needed.  Id rather see our secondary get beat by playing aggressive and physical rather then playing soft and off coverage with no safety help, he fails to adjust when things go poorly.

[Tru11]

What makes you think their DC is bad? Or are you just drawing that conclusion because they've been struggling (despite their personnel being different)?

 

Keep in mind... their new DC is the guy who was the position coach for the most prolific unit of their defense for the last several years (secondary coach). I guess he all of the sudden is a bad coach huh?

 

Nice try... your theory doesn't pass the smell test.

 

i think the bigger issue is the offense managing only 8 points in the 4th quarter since week 2 lol

 

also Kam did miss trainingcamp, pre season and a few regular season games due to his hold out which lead to miscommunications and such.

 

think people are really going to far now blaming a DC for a player holding out ....

[77rus]

What makes you think their DC is bad? Or are you just drawing that conclusion because they've been struggling (despite their personnel being different)?

 

Keep in mind... their new DC is the guy who was the position coach for the most prolific unit of their defense for the last several years (secondary coach). I guess he all of the sudden is a bad coach huh?

 

Nice try... your theory doesn't pass the smell test.

Dean Pees was a position coach on the Ravens too...so your point?

A good position coach can make a bad coordinator, same as a good coordinator can make a bad head coach...apples and oranges

[rmcjacket23]

Dean Pees was a position coach on the Ravens too...so your point?

A good position coach can make a bad coordinator, same as a good coordinator can make a bad head coach...apples and oranges

Exactly the response I was hoping for...

 

In totality, my point was people are actually blaming the new DC of the Seahawks for their failures, yet they can't actually explain what he's done differently? If you're going to draw a conclusion like that, you better be able to support it by something other than "they are losing more games and the personnel is the same". I've watched most of Seattle's games, and I see no difference in the scheme, design, or assignments any of the players are being asked to do. So how then could I blame him for something that I can't even see what impact he has on to begin with? Just because the names on the back of the jerseys of the personnel on the field haven't changed doesn't mean that they aren't to blame, because they very much are. You can directly look at many of the late TDs given up by the Seahawks this season and point, with mountains of evidence, to missed assignments and poor technique/execution from the players.

 

In short, that's a lazy approach, and in many cases, its just flat wrong.

 

Here's a radical concept... sometimes players just don't play to the level they are capable of AND actually do make mistakes. 

 

As it were... if we are going to NOW, conveniently, say that good assistant coaches don't necessarily make good DCs, then why is this fanbase convinced that Clarence Brooks is a viable solution, when he certainly falls into that class?