The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[edthehead]

I am just tired of it being the same thing every year. You can talk about injuries and lack of talent all you want but at some point it has to be on Pees. Every team out there deals with injuries, this is the NFL and you gotta win with the guys you have. 

 

I have been saying this all along,,for the last couple of years,,THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT AGAIN,,,

Our defense needs a leader with some fire who will get the defense motivated. we have had it in almost every shape and size Ray, Ed, Sizzle, Pagano, and Rex. All of them knew how to get he defense fired up. Our defense lacks that intensity on the field and what we need is a leader. I think firing pees is and getting a guy to lead this defense is what we need.

we need a person with fire and the coach is not it ,,nor will he put personal in place to make a play,,, i do like jim schwartz...

[Militant X 1]

Pees talks tough but calls soft!  It pissed me off watching him up in the booth when imo he needs to be on the field with his defense in the thick of things and not so far away that he becomes detached.  But hey...that's just my take on it!

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

We need a DC who can come in, give every player a fair shake, utilize the speed we have, and scheme up accordingly,from the sideline

[52liveforever]

I have been saying this all along,,for the last couple of years,,THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT AGAIN,,,

we need a person with fire and the coach is not it ,,nor will he put personal in place to make a play,,, i do like jim schwartz...

 

I don't see Schwartz happening because of Jim Harbaugh, but I would like Bud Foster. I think you are underestimating what a coach with fire could do. That fire can be contagious and if the guy calling the shots is fired up and your guys want to play with that same intensity then people will step up. The leaders will start to pop up and calling shots.

[DomMcRaven]

I don't see Schwartz happening because of Jim Harbaugh, but I would like Bud Foster. I think you are underestimating what a coach with fire could do. That fire can be contagious and if the guy calling the shots is fired up and your guys want to play with that same intensity then people will step up. The leaders will start to pop up and calling shots.

Just like Rod Marinelli with the Cowboys..especially last season. 

[allblackraven]

Harbs really needs to get rid of them if he doesn't want to lose the team. The players aren't buying in, sometimes it just doesn't work and they have to let it go. This can all go downhill really fast. If we want to fire someone on offense let's start with morningwig.

It just does not happen if that decision was Harbaugh's decision. He would have never got rid of Cameron either, it only happened after Steve had enough.

 

In my opinion, this has got to the point where we need to start looking beyond Pees, positional coaches and players. There's a lot of identical crap happening game after game after game and there is no visible effort to change what we do, for better or worse. Isn't that change supposed to come from HC? Throwing players under the bus is totally uncalled for and we witnessed it lately twice by DC and today by HC, is that a norm now? Wonder if it would go unanswered by Ravens locker room 2-3 years ago.

 

Harbaugh has bought a lot of credit with consecutive playoff runs and SB win but for the last three seasons (it seems that last one was a fluke gifted to us by KC and Kubiak's offense) there's no denying we are on a steep downhill ride.

[BSHU_Miami]

It just does not happen if that decision was Harbaugh's decision. He would have never got rid of Cameron either, it only happened after Steve had enough.

In my opinion, this has got to the point where we need to start looking beyond Pees, positional coaches and players. There's a lot of identical crap happening game after game after game and there is no visible effort to change what we do, for better or worse. Isn't that change supposed to come from HC? Throwing players under the bus is totally uncalled for and we witnessed it lately twice by DC and today by HC, is that a norm now? Wonder if it would go unanswered by Ravens locker room 2-3 years ago.

Harbaugh has bought a lot of credit with consecutive playoff runs and SB win but for the last three seasons (it seems that last one was a fluke gifted to us by KC and Kubiak's offense) there's no denying we are on a steep downhill ride.

yeah I fully believe the report that Steve forced the firing, I remember harbaughs face looking like he lost a puppy at the cam firing press conference. This needs to happen tonight, they should already have interviews lined up for tommorow. You can feel the spirit of this team fading and it's starting to look like clocking in to a job for someone they hate (pees) to them.

[ratedr]

Pees has his fan club here, but regardless of whether or not you think he's a good playcaller, the players are clearly not invested in his scheme. For that reason alone he has to go.

[52liveforever]

Just like Rod Marinelli with the Cowboys..especially last season.

Yeah exactly. And even though we had Ray Lewis Chuck Pagano and Rex Ryan had guys who wanted to play for them. Proven by the players who followed both of them. The coach doesn't just call the plays.

[usmccharles]

So someone explain to me how a DC can think its a good idea think its ok to leave a cut CB one on one with one of the fastest players in the NFL, with no over the top help?

[jazz1988]

It just does not happen if that decision was Harbaugh's decision. He would have never got rid of Cameron either, it only happened after Steve had enough.

 

In my opinion, this has got to the point where we need to start looking beyond Pees, positional coaches and players. There's a lot of identical crap happening game after game after game and there is no visible effort to change what we do, for better or worse. Isn't that change supposed to come from HC? Throwing players under the bus is totally uncalled for and we witnessed it lately twice by DC and today by HC, is that a norm now? Wonder if it would go unanswered by Ravens locker room 2-3 years ago.

 

Harbaugh has bought a lot of credit with consecutive playoff runs and SB win but for the last three seasons (it seems that last one was a fluke gifted to us by KC and Kubiak's offense) there's no denying we are on a steep downhill ride.

 

I'm not even sure it was Steve call at all. Right before Cam was fired there was a heated argument going on between him and Harbuagh during the Redskins game on the sidelines. Harbs been calling out not just his players but his coordinators as well. It's not like Harbaugh has put all the blame on his players he even put blame on him self as well.

[jazz1988]

Pees has his fan club here, but regardless of whether or not you think he's a good playcaller, the players are clearly not invested in his scheme. For that reason alone he has to go.

 

I thought his play calling was alot more aggressive in 49ers game but it seems like players were simply getting beat. Jimmy Smith got beat by Boldin for a 50 yard gain then Wright gave up two touchdowns on double moves. Jimmy Smith caused a holding penalty on third down.

 

I'm honestly not sure what a new defensive coordinator could do for these players.

[jazz1988]

Pees talks tough but calls soft!  It pissed me off watching him up in the booth when imo he needs to be on the field with his defense in the thick of things and not so far away that he becomes detached.  But hey...that's just my take on it!

 

Some coordinators are more comfortable  in the booth than on the field because they feel like their playcalling would be better that way. Dean Pees actually started off in 2012 on the field with the players but eventually moved up to the booth .

[berad]

Everyone gets right against our defense. Kaepernick was getting booed at home last week and Torrey Smith was pouting on the sidelines.

 

Yesterday, Kaepernick throws for 340 yds on 27 passes (128+ passer rating) and Torrey has one of his 'good games'. Our off-the-street corner was on an island and was abused. Dean Pees looked on.

[ratedr]

I thought his play calling was alot more aggressive in 49ers game but it seems like players were simply getting beat. Jimmy Smith got beat by Boldin for a 50 yard gain then Wright gave up two touchdowns on double moves. Jimmy Smith caused a holding penalty on third down.

 

I'm honestly not sure what a new defensive coordinator could do for these players.

If the players don't buy in a new coach could do a lot simply by not being the old guy.

[Edgar]

So someone explain to me how a DC can think its a good idea think its ok to leave a cut CB one on one with one of the fastest players in the NFL, with no over the top help?

That is inexplicable. How is it possible he is even starting for us after four days?

What does this say about our system and player development that he was considered the best option?

[PurpleCity5]

Some coordinators are more comfortable in the booth than on the field because they feel like their playcalling would be better that way. Dean Pees actually started off in 2012 on the field with the players but eventually moved up to the booth .

Yeah Caldwell was on the booth during our SB run I believe. Wouldn't be a big difference if Pees was on the sideline. Tbh, it would be interesting to be in that booth with Pees tho lol, Id like to see his reactions to what has happened to our D.

Edited October 19, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[jazz1988]

That is inexplicable. How is it possible he is even starting for us after four days?

What does this say about our system and player development that he was considered the best option?

 

He knew the 49ers offense better than any one on our team. I guess he just played really well in practice and The Ravens coaches figured he was best  to start.

[ravensdfan]

Yeah Caldwell was on the booth during our SB run I believe. Wouldn't be a big difference if Pees was on the sideline. Tbh, it would be interesting to be in that booth with Pees tho lol, Id like to see his reactions to what has happened to our D.

They show him all the time. Chomping on somehthing, leaning back in his comfy chair and looking disinterested. They showed him during the game yesterday. He needs OUT of the booth. There is no Ray or Ed on the field anymore to do his job for him.

[RaineV1]

Well, a change in coaching without a change in personal seems to have helped the Dolphins play with some more intensity.

 

"Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to knock anybody, but coach Campbell gets you fired up," receiver Rishard Matthews said, via the Miami Herald. "When he speaks, he gets in your blood and gets your hairs up. You just want to go out there and battle for him."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000560889/article/dolphins-buying-into-campbells-different-mentality

 

Now, if only the Ravens can bring in someone that can do that for this defense.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Honestly, who is Dean Pees inspiring to do better. The players are playing worse now than last year. They know its a flawed scheme, and flawed leadership....throw your players under the bus Dean

[Ravens2343]

Honestly, who is Dean Pees inspiring to do better. The players are playing worse now than last year. They know its a flawed scheme, and flawed leadership....throw your players under the bus Dean

 

If Pees still has a job here after the bye week (assuming we continue to spiral downwards defensively) then I will be utterly shocked.  Miami came out inspired against Tennessee with their new coaching staff and blew them out.  Not saying that was because of the firing of Philbin and Coyle, but it certainly didn't hurt the team in that game.  Lucky for us it looks like Pagano is coaching himself right back to being a defensive coordinator or position coach.  Pees may last the season, but if someone like Pagano, Pettine or Horton are available this offseason then Pees should be given his walking papers.

[JO_75]

I'm just stunned that's another Monday after another loss and he's still here. I get it, in Harb's mind he thinks oh well we've only been losing by less than 10 points, so Pees is doing his job. Yet, everyone here sees that Pees is the problem, and just google "Ravens fire Dean Pees" and a bunch of local writers are saying the same thing. I also see, oh well we win out at 11-5 we can make the playoffs. Or oh at 1-6, we win out 10-6 will get us in the playoffs mentality that I think is why he isn't gone yet. How many more leads will we have to blow in order for him to be gone? 

 

Pittsburgh held Arizona in check and even won despite being down to their third string QB. Now watch Palmer, Fitz, Floyd, John Brown, etc go out and shred our defense. Oh remember, the 49ers fans were booing Kaepernick, Torrey was pouting, the 49ers offense was bad prior to facing us. Steelers keep the Cardinals offense in check, and oh hey we are coming to town next Monday to make their offense look good again. 

[jazz1988]

If the players don't buy in a new coach could do a lot simply by not being the old guy.

Honestly we don't even know for sure as fans if the players don't like Dean Pees. Maybe a new defensive coordinator could bring a breath of fresh air but it's quite possible he could be worse.

[PurpleCity5]

Id really like to know who made the call to blitz Kaepernick with Shareece Wright having one-on-one coverage with Torrey and no safety help. Either there was some mis-communication, or that was a terrible play call in general.

[PurpleCity5]

I wish the Arizona game came earlier. If we were 2-2 going into Arizona game and get blown out it would be a wake up call.

[berad]

Id really like to know who made the call to blitz Kaepernick with Shareece Wright having one-on-one coverage with Torrey and no safety help. Either there was some mis-communication, or that was a terrible play call in general.

 

We'll find out Thursday when Pees says 'It's simple, they have to cover! I can coach it better, but...'

[PurpleCity5]

Honestly we don't even know for sure as fans if the players don't like Dean Pees. Maybe a new defensive coordinator could bring a breath of fresh air but it's quite possible he could be worse.

I don't think the players hate Pees. I just personally believe they don't play for him.

[Static]

Id really like to know who made the call to blitz Kaepernick with Shareece Wright having one-on-one coverage with Torrey and no safety help. Either there was some mis-communication, or that was a terrible play call in general.

Peas will say something about execution and technique. Then say that his gameplan was flawless and he'd change nothing.

[jazz1988]

I'm just stunned that's another Monday after another loss and he's still here. I get it, in Harb's mind he thinks oh well we've only been losing by less than 10 points, so Pees is doing his job. Yet, everyone here sees that Pees is the problem, and just google "Ravens fire Dean Pees" and a bunch of local writers are saying the same thing. I also see, oh well we win out at 11-5 we can make the playoffs. Or oh at 1-6, we win out 10-6 will get us in the playoffs mentality that I think is why he isn't gone yet. How many more leads will we have to blow in order for him to be gone? 

 

Pittsburgh held Arizona in check and even won despite being down to their third string QB. Now watch Palmer, Fitz, Floyd, John Brown, etc go out and shred our defense. Oh remember, the 49ers fans were booing Kaepernick, Torrey was pouting, the 49ers offense was bad prior to facing us. Steelers keep the Cardinals offense in check, and oh hey we are coming to town next Monday to make their offense look good again. 

 

 

The only play I can really think of that didn't make sense by Pees was when there was no safety help to watch out for Torrey Smith but other than that it's hard to really blame The 49ers game on him.